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August 8, 2018 11:21 am at 11:21 am in reply to: Different Circles Of Yidden Can Experience Great Unity – Achdus #1570774
Avi K well the Baal Hatanya says that the tzaddik and the beinoni look the same from the outside, both appear to be frum Yidden only the tzaddik has no yeitzer hora anymore (since his nefesh habahamis takes pleasure in serving the nefesh haelokis). So according to every single one of your opinion you brought down, they are reshoyim. Sure some other ‘frum’ Yidden can also fall into the category of a rosho but this does not mean it’s ok. The leaders of this movement are NOT tinokei shenishba. They looked at the chumash and read what’s there. Moreover there are several poskim in who say there are no tinokei shenishba in EY. But in America there are obviously many, however reform and especially conservative rabbi’s are NOT tinokei shenishba and we have to stop using that term to (in a naive way) cover up for these reshoyim, as R’ Chaim Brisker said: a nebech apikoros is still an apikoros.August 8, 2018 8:46 am at 8:46 am in reply to: Different Circles Of Yidden Can Experience Great Unity – Achdus #1570661
Pirkey Avos says: Al Tischabeir L’Rosho! There is no such thing as achdus with people who deny the Ikkarim such as reform and conservative ‘rabbi’s’ etc. since they have removed themselves from klal Yisroel. Of course it is a Mitzvah to bring back the members of these comgregations to Judaism but their leaders are machti es horabim and off limits.
Very simple answer: the Reform movement is not a legitimate form of Judaism. However, at least 60% of the members in these congregations are halachically Jewish. We should never give up hope that they do teshuva, however we can also NEVER work together with them in any way or show ‘unity’ to the outside world with these people chas v’sholom. There is no such thing as achdus with people who deny the Torah, even if they might be tinokei shenishba. Sure, many of their members are tinokei shenishba, but their leaders who are spreading apikorsus to the masses have a LOT to answer for if they make it up to shomayim.
Please spread this poisonous nonsense somewhere else, a Yid is meant to sit and learn, period. Not behave like Esav like what you are proposing…December 19, 2017 9:09 am at 9:09 am in reply to: Who Are The Most Liberal Posters in the Coffee room? #1429923
Anyone with a brain who does not fall for populist rhetoric is called a left-winger on this forum…or a self-hating Jew.
Avi K: You know that one who has not served in the army is not allowed to enter the workforce. One who does not recognize the state should not have to serve in the army. And it does not matter how religious the army is, how kosher the food is or how many shiurim they give. The army is a no-go for any frum guy, as it tries very hard (and has succeeded for a large part) to create a new Yid R”L, one who adheres to halacha but in his walk and talk is indistinguisable from Esav. Daas Torah and Daas Baalei Batim clash in this discussion, as the populists will continue to insist we need an army. We have survived for close to 2,000 yrs w/o an army just relying on the Middos of Yaakov avinu. After we took up the weapons of Esav everything went downhill. It used to be that anyone who denied Hashem was considered not our fellow. Apparently now it’s the people who deny the legitimacy of the medinah, who are outcast by the am haaratzim of Klal Yisroel.
No worries I opened a discussion on zionism
JJ2020 Oh come on, don’t try to put off someone who sticks to Halacha and is not willing to compromise on it as out of touch with reality. I don’t know about Joseph but I personally know plenty of Jews who are intermarried and their stories. From what I have seen, it is simply a matter of priorities. Falling in love is a chemical reaction in the brain. Anyone who wants to marry a Jew can do so, it just depends how much effort he/she wants to put into it. I know plenty of freie Yidden who have made it very clear to their children that they should marry a Jew, so not being frum is not an excuse to intermarry. Geirus is not a way to clean up people’s mistakes, but a way for people who, without ulterior motives, want to become Shomrei Torah u’Mitzvos. Growing up in a community with many converts for the sake of marriage, I can tell you it totally changes the nature of a community and its way of thinking. Most guys will put marrying Jewish off their top priority list as they think they will be able to ‘convert’ any girl they will get into a serious relationship with. Intermarriage is the biggest threat to Klal Yisroel and those who are not willing to call it out as a problem or try to solve it through some loophole that bedieved a geirus for marriage might be kosher are themselves part of the problem.
Joseph: Right, it is truly a shame that many Batei Din are doing these conversions now, as seeing these cases gives the boys in the community the idea that maybe they could marry a non-Jew and convert her later on. The whole chiyuv to find a Jewish spouse is gone in some communities because of this.
Zahavasdad: A ‘marriage’ between a Jew and a goy is not considered to be halachically valid anyway, so converting the non-Jewish spouse is always ‘for the sake of marriage’. It is straight up halacha that we can’t accomodate these cases, one of the reasons is that it is rewarding the intermarried Jew for his/her wrongdoing.
”Kicking people out is not going to work”
It works for the Syrians, intermarriage is virtually nonexistent in their community B”H. We are better off without the people who will still intermarry after all the warnings and education against intermarriage, seeing the harm it has done to Klal Yisroel. Those with Jewish mothers and non-Jewish fathers are Jews and we definitely should be mekareiv them, yet it is statistically proven that they have weaker Jewish identities than those w/ 2 Jewish parents. An example, a friend of mine has a Jewish mother and he didn’t have a bris because his father did not want him to.
I’m truly shocked to see so many people say that we should convert the partner of an intermarried Jew. A conversion for the sake of marriage is completely pasul and even though some Batei Din allow it sometimes this does not mean it is ok. It would be the same as the rabbonim going into the house of every freie yid who eats chometz on pesach to replace the chometz with matzos. It is not the beis din’s task to keep people from aveiros that they have already commited. The Syrian community of Brooklyn does not allow the children of these ‘marriages’ into their yeshivos because they know this will be a trigger for their bochrim to consider marrying a goy as a serious option. The truth is that geirus is only for those who truly have no ulterior motives like kavod, money or marriage. With that said I think we should educate yidden all over the world, no matter if they are frum or frei, that intermarriage simply is not an option. People who do, chas v’sholom, choose to intermarry, are out, simple as that. Intermarrying is the worst of all aveiros as it is not only affecting yourself but it equals cutting off all future generations that would have been born had that person had a Jewish family.