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@ujm Women driving isn’t controversial. Either you hold that the Vizhnitz and Satmar Rebbe’s psaks are still chal, like Vizhnitz and Satmar do, or you don’t.
What’s controversial is this: Should I be responsible for picking up the slack because you’re women don’t drive? L’Moshol, there’s a family near me whose mother doesn’t drive. They have many kids and there’s no decent local frum taxi service. So when the mother needs to get the kids somewhere, she relies on favors from neighbors to take them, even if they are women. Is that right?
If the Bernie and the progressives in DC have their way, the US would have a system similar to Israel’s.
The US system is terrible, because there are too many people who are too poor to afford proper insurance and too “rich” to be eligible for the government sponsored insurance, so they get saddled with debt every time they get sick or hurt. The Israeli system isn’t perfect, like the long wait times for non-dangerous cases, but it’s a lot better than the US.
I read a recent article that did some investigation into the popular tzeddakas that run ads all over the Chareidi world. A lot of these are less than fully yoshor and you really need to check in to what you’re donating to. Like, one organization only gave about 10% of the money collected to the family in need and used their own protectzia to garner a few endorsements from leading Rabbonim.
@syag-lchochma I don’t know what your experience is, but even in the strictest “mask all the time” shuls I davened at the worst you would get is a friendly tap and someone handing you a disposable mask.
But that was a year ago. I don’t know of any place where someone not wearing a mask will elicit comment. Where are you referring to?
A friend of mine decided to, nebbuch, no longer be shomer Torah u’Mitzvos. He was nervous going to a small family simcha last year, but relieved and weirded out that he got more comments about his mask than lack of peyos.
And yes, I noticed it too. In some communities, wearing a mask is an open invitation to sarcastic comments and people trying to get overly physical.
@ujm If you look back at the now-infamous article from several years back attempting to defend LT, you will find several comments by notable Rabbonim. One of the Satmar Rebbes said that the community needs to be “rescued”. Even though this depraved article was meant as a defense, the author was forced to list several of their heinous practices, such as marriages of 13 year old children and taking kids away from parents as a punishment.
@always_ask_questions The Baltimore Rabbonim took COVID very seriously. The Star-K and the Va’ad HaRabonim of Baltimore under the auspices of Rav Moshe Heineman SHLITA and Rav Yaakov Hopfer SHLITA have issued numerous proclamations and guidelines for people and shuls to follow and they were unanimously signed by all the frum shuls and schools. This included masking, vaccines, quarantines, and closures when appropriate.
Even though now life is mostly gone back to normal, people don’t get funny looks and weird comments if they choose to wear a mask in shul (which many still do).
3. Why are you still defending a dangerous group of individuals who have been near-unanimously condemned by pretty much every Rov on the planet who ever spoke about them?
I think it’s the lack of respect that many people have for the law that leads to things like this. The bachurim who were in prison in Japan were told that they were smuggling seforim. Similar things happened to many other people in many other less high profile cases (“I just need you to take these diamonds hidden in the lining to my parents”). People simply have a disregard for governments and don’t think about the consequences when breaking the law. We need to instill in ourselves that we are still in galus and we can’t just flaunt around pretending that goyim are only here to be tricked.
One thing I would mention to people when the Japan thing was ongoing was this. When the kids were sent to prison, the drug dealer was put into cheirim by his community and vilified as a rasha. Had the kids not been caught, and the dealer freely admitted what he had been doing, would people have been upset at him? What if he was honest, and really just trying to smuggle diamonds or seforim, would he still be in cheirim?
Would you still say the same thing if it was your private business, in which you have invested your entire life into, that he was defending?
G– En Himmel YES! If my business was chas v’sholom under threat from a mob, I would lock the store down and daven that my business will survive. What I absolutely do not want is some random teenager waving around an assault rifle and telling me he’s here to help.
“Not guilty” just means “Kyle Rittenhouse did not commit intentional homicide” which I think would be obvious for anyone paying attention. It does not mean that he isn’t a blithering idiot who thinks he’s some sort of Batman that’s going to jump into the middle of a riot and protect… something… by waving a rifle around hoping that someone will attack him so he can shoot and declare self-defense.
I must have missed that day in Yeshiva where it was explained that we have a responsibility as Torah Jews to carry weapons around with us all the time and even insert ourselves into dangerous situations where our weapons may come in handy.
@gadolhadorah I didn’t think that the CDC recommendations to (A) wear masks if your not vaccinated and (B) get vaccinated would be so contradictory and confusing. What part of it did you not understand?
@rightwriter Those dog whistles are blowing strong, not enough to bring the whole pound running, but my neighbor’s hound just perked her ears up. All the things you are saying, the Fauci hate, the repeated references to some fantastical “New World Order”, the ridiculous Bill Gates hate, throwing terms like “gain of function” without a clue as to what they mean, etc. It all smacks of someone who got most of their information from some questionable sources, like maybe InfoWars or Stormfront.
@daas-yochid Jokes on you, I’m barely goireis Da’as Torah when it comes to politics.
My “hypothetical” example is based on a real situation where the Rabbonim and Rosh Yeshivos of a certain frum community unanimously endorsed a Democrat while Trump endorsed the opposing Republican. This lead to one of the worst voter turnouts in this community’s history with most of the frum oilom still voting for the Trump ally. So I’m curious what would happen if the same thing would take place on a bigger scale.
@klugeryid This part of the comment:
The smart amongst us knew from the start that things didnt add up
This isn’t about the vaccines, but about COVID in general.
I would love to argue facts and logic, but other than the first sentence, the entire post is completely bereft of either. What it does have is a lot of Q-Anon dog whistles. “New World Order”, “sheep-minded liberal”, etc. It makes me wonder if @rightwriter isn’t just some anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist taking a break from InfoWars to troll CR.
If the Rosh Yeshivos said to vote for Biden, would you still vote for Trump or sit the election out?
Pretending that there’s no such thing as racism and any discussion about it is only a ploy to brainwash kids into submissive little liberals is like half the GOP platform right now.
I don’t know if I agree with everything your saying. Like this alleged quote from Rav Yaakov ZT”L. The people in power in the US were treated blacks like inferior sub-humans, which is the exact thing you said should not be done. That’s what MLK et al were fighting against.
What needs to be said is that the Torah concept of Goyim and Umos is completely incompatible with whatever the modern day concept of race and racism is.
One thing I feel that needs to be said, that will probably make a lot of people angry at me, is that in the frum community racism is unfortunately very common. People tend to look down at goyim (and even Yidden) because of the color of their skin or the shape of their eyes. They are spoken about as if they are little more than beheimos. This is a huge endemic problem that must be addressed.
Finally, let’s talk about Critical Race Theory (oh no I said the thing!). The main idea behind it isn’t that white people should always feel bad about racism or whatever. What it means is that even once racism basically became illegal in the US, the same people who were previously praising Hitler Y”Sh for his “ubermenschen” were still running the governments, universities, banks, and schools. So they snuck in a lot of policies designed to discriminate against black, Jews, immigrants, and other minorities. The Long Island overpass is probably one you’ve heard of. When designing the Long Island Expressway, the engineers wanted to make it difficult for black people to come in from Manhattan to use the beaches. The eastern part of Long Island was very white and most blacks were coming in via charted buses from Mid Town and The Bronx. So they designed the bridges to be too low for buses. This type of policy was mainstream in many many hidden (and not so hidden) ways. From jobs to bank loans to education. Skin color isn’t as easy as changing from Chaim to Hyman and putting on a baseball cap over your yarmulka. And a lot of those policies still exist in many forms.
@rightwriter I was with you until “sheep”. There’s a balance between being safe and being so ridiculously over cautious that your ruin peoples lives. You are criticizing one extreme but then immediately jumping to the other. Frankly, your whole comment smacks of Q-Anon narischkeit and I would kindly recommend you take a breather from social media and the internet in general.
My family was on vacation in Alaska and we stopped at the side of the road in Denali Park to look at a beaver dam. There was already a man and his son standing there wearing the uniform of Yidden on vacation everywhere (man in a taxi driver hat, son in a baseball cap not covering the peyos behind their ears). My father ambled up and casually asked “Nu? Any chance we can get a minyan for mincha?”
Last week I drank too much at a chasuna. I felt really awful, but confident enough to drive home. I got home OK with only some minor bumps and scratches on my car. No one died or was even hurt. Why should I be forced to subject myself to going teetotaler or paying for taxis all the time?
@ujm I question your metrics. I think it’s more like 65% of the time. And a good 50% of the time there’s no better of the two.
This is the most Chassidishe thing ever and I’m loving it.
Why are we playing gadlus Olympics? Who cares who contributed more to Yiddishkeit than whom?
Thing is this. We can all get along. But there are certain elements within our communities that we have to fight against. And if we want to stay as Torah Jews we cannot just stand idly by.
The minority who protest are supported and encouraged by the majority. Except for those that throw rocks or protest narischkeit, like an elementary school for girls. Those don’t have any support.
What if you are of the opinion that both Republicans and Democrats are self-serving narcissistic goyim that don’t give two hoots about you and yours but will do and say anything to get you to believe they do in order to retain popularity and power?
@ts-baum Not to Chas v’Shalom diminish the numerous accomplishments of Rav MM Schneerson ZT”L, but you have a very “Chabad-centric” view of Yiddishkeit. After the Churban in Europe Hashem sent numerous gedolim to the US to help bring Yidden back up to our feet. The Satmar Rebbe Reb Yoel ZT”L, Rav Moshe Feinstein ZT”L, the Alter Vizhnitzer Rebbe ZT”L, Rav Yaakov Kaminetzky ZT”L. I don’t want to start an olympics about which post-war Rav was more influential, but Chabadskers kind of have this tendency to ignore everyone except their late Rebbe and pretend that there would have been no Torah in America without him.
(also 300 volumes isn’t that impressive when there’s a huge team of people who did nothing for decades but write down and publish every thing he said and wrote, long past his petirah. Kol HaMarbeh bi’seforim etc.)
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Community splits is one I have a hard time with. I was involved with one many moons ago. From my perspective, it was abundantly clear that one side was acting like childish buffoons and the other side was just trying to live their life. But I can understand how people outside may look at both of us as just a bunch of yutzes making a huge chillul Hashem. In hindsight, it’s nice to see that the Rabbonim that were involved with and supported “our” side are now world-renown in very important positions while the one Rav on yenem tzad had his shul fall apart.
But then I look at other community splits where clearly both sides are acting in a manner more akin to street gangs than Yidden. Full-blown fist fights in shuls. A guy hospitalized when a molotov cocktail was thrown into his window. Cars overturned. People running into shuls to grab sifrei Torah. Brothers that refuse to speak to each other. I don’t see any way to be dan l’kaf zechus on these manners, it’s just machloksim she’lo l’sheim Shomayim.
Oh yeah, I member when I tried to do this and got the thread locked.
- Someone mentioned Zohar, so I guess we should add the authorship of the Zohar
- How far should Da’as Torah extend (and is it even a thing to begin with)?
- Secular studies in high school
- The infallibility of Rabbonim, from Tana’im to your local Rav
- Whether we have a responsibility to act better than goyim
- Is it assur to oppose the GOP?
@AvirahDeArah I don’t think there’s much controversy here regarding TV and movies. Most people on here will agree that they have little inherent value and if you can keep yourself and kids away from them, kol hakavod.
@HaLeiVi Even when many prominent Chabad people actively practice things that are in direct contradiction to Yiddishkeit?
Lubavitchers are probably just as surprised that almost no frum newspapers had any stories about the Chabad Kinus other than a handful of pictures. Yidden have different priorities as to what constitutes “historic” and “important”. A Chassidishe rov who is very involved of what many consider a major issue and Chilul Hashem won’t merit much talk in a circles that don’t care about internal Chassidish rifts or those on “the other side”.
Ernie. No question. I’m the one who refuses to take anything seriously and I used to have a habit of laughing through my nose.
Rav Wolbe ZT”L once said regarding avoiding tayvos “You can’t ignore the bekiyus forever, because then it just becomes be’iyun”. If we treat every potential tzniyus issue (a bekiyus) as a major problem and block it out, then we’re just training boys and men to see every women as a source of tayvoh.
@aviradearah I think Rav Schneerson’s letter denying that he’s Moshiach is well known amongst Chabadskers (as all of his letters are). Perhaps someone from Chabad can shed some light on it? All I know is what anti-meshichist Chabadniks have told me, that it exists.
@Health Well, I googled the case you’re talking about. The only people who are claiming it’s Satanists is some weird paganist blog. All the more mainstream (and fringe) news sources simply list it as an unsolved mystery. The links to the (10 year old) allegations aren’t even working anymore.
Yes, I sound like that last line. Probably because it’s true.
Satan worship isn’t a huge thing in the US. Those that are Satanists are mostly just pagan idolators and not death worshipping murderers.
@AvriaDeArah I do believe that Rav Schneerson ZT”L denied being Moshiach on several occasions and I think there’s a letter where he criticizing a Lubavitch rov for claiming that he’s Moshiach. It’s likely that the extent in which people believed him to be Moshiach was kept from him and he simply didn’t know how widespread it is. The last few years of his life, he had a stroke and was unable to communicate much. During that time, the meshichists became a lot more brazen and would openly sing “Yechi” in front of him to the anger of the agudists. His inaction was taken to mean that he accepts their beliefs. I’ve heard that one of his doctors, a frum Talmid Chacham, had a difficult time keeping meshichists away from his bedside. He said that they would ask their Rebbe questions and take every mumble and grunt as they chose to interpret it.
@Health No you didn’t find a case where they did. You didn’t even name the city or time period where it happened. You just gave some vague statement.
And the popularity of what people call “Satanic Worship” is usually LeVay Satanism which is basically Atheists making fun of religion and using America’s freedom of religion to do so. Like putting a giant evil statue next to an image of the Luchois at a state capital. They don’t actually believe what they preach.
@Health You’re right, just because I can’t find it doesn’t mean you’re wrong.
However, you own admission of ignorance coupled with the vague statements you are calling “facts” does. So you’re wrong.
@Health Says “I don’t know anything about the Satanic Panic”. @Health also says “Satan worship is pretty common in rural America”. You keep professing your ignorance, yet still claiming that you “know” that it’s very common.
The closest thing I can find to your story is the death of Jeanette DePalma who was from New Jersey not New York. Her death is still an unsolved mystery but a local priest drummed up some panic due to her body being found at a place called Devil’s Teeth. There was no altar, no group of teens, and like the Salem Witch Trials, no evidence that Satan worship was involved at all.
@Health There isn’t a single shred of evidence that there is, or ever has been, some massive underground cult of Satanists that routinely murder people. The Satanic Panic was merely a blood libel with different targets and different window dressings (although many did attempt to attack Jews as complicit in this alleged child murder ring). Most of the child witnesses from places like the McMartin Preschool recanted their testimony when they got older, and a lot of the testimony was re-examined and found to be either contradictory, implanted by the interviewer, or both.
@ujm Any conviction today that results in execution, even under the shadiest circumstances, still has far more proof than any convicted witch at Salem. The raya to this is Giles Corey. If they could knowingly and willingly execute an innocent man, who’s to say they wouldn’t do the same to many others?
@ujm Halachically, the Salem Witch Trials involved the murder of 20 people. (The one person who actually may have practiced some form of kishuf or Avodah Zara survived.) There’s nothing else to it. If you want to discuss halachic points, a goyishe court can’t just wantonly kill people for suspicion, they actually have to show proof. There was no proof for any of the 20 people executed, therefore they were all murdered.
@philosopher They mean that “Rav Schneerson is alive”. Sorry if my post is confusing, I was responding to the initial comment where the fellow says “3. Lubavitchers believe the Rebbe is alive
WRONG”. That is actually wrong, since many believe he is still alive.
@ujm I forgot to elaborate on Giles Corey. He was one of the accused and he was tortured for a confession by having rocks put on his chest. He grinned at his molester, said “More weight” and died. By their own admission of the Salem court, Corey was completely innocent and still died.
So all else aside, the Salem Witch Trials absolutely murdered at least one innocent man.
Just to pick on one point:
Lubavitchers believe the Rebbe is alive
There absolutely are Lubavitchers who believe the last Lubavitcher Rebbe ZT”L is alive as evidenced by numerous pamphlets, websites, and other paraphernalia that they have produced. They have made it abundantly clear that they don’t believe he ever really died.
I mentioned on a different thread that Jewish publications have a danger that doesn’t exist in goyishe stuff. This here is a good example.