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YW Moderator-80Member
wolf
yes your logic is impeccable
so go argue with the Daas Zekainim MiBaalei HaTosfos
YW Moderator-80MemberRabbi Avigdor Miller, tzl states that anyone, like Paroh, can have his bechirah taken away by HaKodesh Barchu in certain inyonim. How that relates to Acher, ben Dosai and others, I don’t know.
YW Moderator-80MemberWolf you need to understand how to answer the Kasha between bechira and Daas Hashem.
Rambam gives the classic teretz
YW Moderator-80MemberIf the Ben Sorer Umoreh is killed because of the act of murder that he will commit, why is his death penalty through stoning, if the Torah states that one who murders is put to death by Sayif – the sword? Daas Zekainim MiBaalei HaTosfos answers, since the pasuk states that the Ben Sorer Umoreh is “Einenu Shomei’a B’Kol Aviv U’BKol Imo. “He does not listen to the voice of his parents” – that is considered as if he was Mikallel Aviv V’Imo – he cursed his parents. The Torah states that one who curses his parents is Chayiv Skilah – death by stoning.
YW Moderator-80MemberThanks mybat
(and everyone else)
YW Moderator-80Member3. pave the way to or for, to prepare for and facilitate the entrance of; lead up to: His analysis of the college market paved the way for their entry into textbook publishing.
YW Moderator-80Memberhe will be a vadai killer, so we give him the sekila now.
The only problem with that is that we don’t give skilah for murder (or theft either)
but we do give it for chillul Shabbos and I believe Rav Pinchus mentioned this (though I don’t believe the Gemorrah in Sanhedrin does)
October 13, 2009 7:43 pm at 7:43 pm in reply to: Labels – How Do You See Yourself? How Do Others See You? #662593YW Moderator-80MemberI could care less
So there is room for caring less, implying that you do care to some degree. 😉
YW Moderator-80MemberJothar, If your interpretation is correct, it sounds exactly like what Joseph was suggesting in his last post. It would take me ten minutes to read it, but I’ll accept your summary. That’s not what the Gemorrah seems to say in Sanhedrin, but I would never presume to disagree with Rav Pinchus, tz’l, Chas v Shalom.
YW Moderator-80MemberSJ
That makes a lot of sense.
According to the Sages, it never happened and never will. There is one Amora (Tanna maybe?) who states not only did it happen but he saw it and sat on the grave of the BSuM
YW Moderator-80MemberWhat I am postulating is that, per the Gur Aryeh’s understanding, the reason that the Torah poskin’s skilah, is because the Torah is taking into account the BSuM’s future behavior and punishing him for that future behavior now.
I like postulation, but I may have mentioned before, the Gemorrah in Sanhedrin, (7th Perek?, a few blatt, I don’t recall which) makes it clear that it is not a punishment.
In case I didn’t mention it, it is not a punishment.
In case I didn’t mention it it here, please see every one of my preceding six posts.
the Gur Aryeh is fascinating though. I’d love to know more about it.
YW Moderator-80MemberJoseph, your understanding could be correct (though it needs a lot more explanation of what he meant, as on the surface it contradicts all the principles found in Sanhedrin), but that has nothing to do with the kasha I presented.
Again: …the Bais Din takes nothing into account here except whether or not the child fits the criteria to be poskined a BSuM. His din is already established specifically in the Torah. The Bais Din is taking nothing into account except whether or not the criteria for BSuM have been met. They are not deciding a punishment.
Why did the Torah poskin skilah? Again THIS IS NOT A PUNISHMENT for future sins.
It is a PREVENTION of future sins.
YW Moderator-80MemberJoseph, fine, but the Bais Din takes nothing into account here except whether or not the child fits the criteria to be poskined a BSuM. His din is already established specifically in the Torah.
Why did the Torah poskin skilah? Again THIS IS NOT A PUNISHMENT for future sins.
YW Moderator-80MemberSpecifically, the role of the human court system is to save wrongdoers from the punishment that they will obtain at the hands of Heaven. If it will further that goal, a human court can take a person’s future into account. (Gur Aryeh)
The Bais Din cannot punish for sins a person will likely commit. They can take that into account in deciding whether or not to punish a person, in order to benefit the whole of the community. For example, there is a case in the Gemorrah where Bais Din cut off a thiefs hand because thievery was rampant then. This is not nogayah to the question here. The sentence of the BSuM is given in the Torah. Regardless of this side issue it is clear from the Gemorrah that this case is NOT A PUNISHMENT.
Why skilah?
YW Moderator-80Memberunique punishment assigned for the entire LIFE of cold-blooded murder that would have been
Thank you Dovid but I believe it doesn’t answer the question.
According to my understanding of the Gemorrah in Sanhendrin, and I’m pretty sure this is the pashut pshat, he is NOT BEING PUNISHED, the Bais Din, both m’ailah and m’ata does not punish for future sins! This is clear, i.e. Yishmael.
It is is clear that this misah is a chesed to PREVENT him from carrying out these potential sins. That is the key to the kasha.
YW Moderator-80MemberNEWARK, Del. – A Delaware first-grader, 6 years old, who wanted to eat lunch at school with his favorite camping utensil, a combination of folding fork, knife and spoon, now faces 45 days in the district’s alternative school for troublemakers.
The folding knife is banned as a dangerous instrument under the Christina School District’s zero-tolerance policy in the student code of conduct, and officials said they have to act regardless of his age or what he planned to do with the instrument.
Zachary is being homeschooled for now.
Zachary was ordered to spend 45 days at the Douglass School, an alternative school for children who violate the district’s code of conduct. Students there participate in behavior modification programs and receive counseling.
Schooley, a former Christina school board member: “If it were my child, I would do everything not to send my child there.”
YW Moderator-80Memberjoseph
Can you perhaps post a FEW relevant quotes from those articles, that capture the essence?
I don’t know about anyone else but I don’t have the time to read your post.
YW Moderator-80MemberNot anymore. They only have advice or “wise” sayings. They don’t want to get sued.
YW Moderator-80MemberIm makpid on straight burbon.
Anyone else?
yes i dont drink it either
October 2, 2009 7:11 pm at 7:11 pm in reply to: The Laboratory II – Try Your HTML & ASCII Art Experiments Here #1053966YW Moderator-80MemberModerators are allowed to make up rules.
October 2, 2009 6:33 pm at 6:33 pm in reply to: The Laboratory II – Try Your HTML & ASCII Art Experiments Here #1053961YW Moderator-80MemberEXCELLENT plonis
YW Moderator-80MemberI use facetious and sarcastic in a similar way.
To say something you hold clearly isn’t true, maybe even the opposite, often exaggerated, in a manner that you intend it to be clear that you mean the opposite or something different.
Like if you see someone having trouble lifting a light load and you say: “You must be Mr. Universe.” That to me would be sarcastic.
Facetious to me would be something similar but without implied negative tones perhaps.
Two words I guess I use loosely perhaps incorrectly, but most people would probably understand my meaning quite well
YW Moderator-80MemberI looked it up also wolf but the definition didn’t seem quite right to me. How would you define it, in other words how do you personally use the word
YW Moderator-80MemberI dont really know exactly. To my mind it is kind of like sarcastic but with milder overtones.
YW Moderator-80MemberI know. I was thinking you might very well be right. I wasn’t being facetious
YW Moderator-80Memberwolf
I recently saw someone (an adult with a beard and black hat) texting (b’li safek), and not answering, during Kaddish. Could be an emergency I suppose.
YW Moderator-80MemberThe origin of the term “duct tape” is the subject of some disagreement.
One view[17] is that it was called “duck tape” by WWII soldiers either because it resembled strips of cotton duck or because the waterproof quality of the tape contributed to the name, by analogy to the water-shedding quality of a duck’s plumage. Under this view, soldiers returning home from the war found uses for duck tape around the house, where tents were forgotten and ductwork needed sealing, not ammunition cases. Other proponents of this view point to older references to non-adhesive cotton duck tape used in Venetian blinds, suggesting that the name was carried over to the adhesive product. The Oxford English Dictionary says that perhaps “duct tape” was originally “duck tape”. This view is summarized most notably in a New York Times article by etymologist William Safire in March 2003. Safire cites use of the term “cotton duck tape” in a 1945 advertisement for surplus government property.[18] The Oxford English Dictionary gives a 1902 quotation for “100,000 yards of cotton duck tape” being used to protect the cables of the Brooklyn Bridge.[19] Thus a fabric duck tape was available to which an adhesive could have been added.
The other view is that “duct tape” is the original term, since there are many documented uses of that term which pre-date all documented uses of the term “duck tape” for the adhesive-backed product, and that there is no written evidence supporting the WWII story.[20] Some proponents of this view accept the idea that there was an earlier non-adhesive “duck tape”, but claim that people have just confused the similar pronunciation of two similar but unrelated products through the process of elision, and that the rest of the “duck” etymology is folklore or fabrication. This view was summarized most notably in a Boston Globe article by etymologist Jan Freeman, also in March 2003.[21]
In any case, whether it is an error or a preservation of the original usage, the term “duck tape” is sometimes used for the product today.[22] Duck Tape is also a brand name for this product in some countries.
–wikipedia–
YW Moderator-80MemberAnd let’s give a big Welcome to HIE!
YW Moderator-80MemberI’m sorry mepal, et, al.
I really have to leave right now.
YW Moderator-80MemberI’m back. Post away!
YW Moderator-80MemberSince you like warnings, I have to leave right now for about 15 minutes
YW Moderator-80MemberI’m leaving in about half an hour. If 26 isn’t back by then, Good Luck
YW Moderator-80Member26 hasn’t been around much lately. Now you know what it’s like when 26 isn’t here.
October 1, 2009 3:01 am at 3:01 am in reply to: The Laboratory II – Try Your HTML & ASCII Art Experiments Here #1053939YW Moderator-80Memberplonis
like this:
<X>yourtexthere</X>
substitute the small letter “a” for the X
YW Moderator-80MemberVery funny!
YW Moderator-80MemberThis thread has been interesting but has begun to mature past it’s prime. I think everyone has had a chance to post his view, (many times over)
CLOSED
YW Moderator-80MemberYou mean the Moderator 80 imposter. We’re still comparing DNA samples. By the way why haven’t you submitted yours yet?
YW Moderator-80MemberYou should know that 26 was instrumental in tracking down the mky impostor, and it was 26 who was responsible for putting a stop to it.
September 30, 2009 7:22 pm at 7:22 pm in reply to: The Laboratory II – Try Your HTML & ASCII Art Experiments Here #1053912YW Moderator-80MemberGood question. However if you google it you will see about 20, 000 other people who also use that word, so maybe we will see it the the next edition of Miriam Webstar.
September 30, 2009 7:15 pm at 7:15 pm in reply to: The Laboratory II – Try Your HTML & ASCII Art Experiments Here #1053908YW Moderator-80MemberTo put squeak’s post in context: I had asked him what kind of jest, then I edited out that question because I didn’t understand what I meant. Meanwhile he seems to have understood the question and answerwed it.
September 30, 2009 7:00 pm at 7:00 pm in reply to: The Laboratory II – Try Your HTML & ASCII Art Experiments Here #1053906YW Moderator-80MemberI copied and pasted, so although I am clearly jesting in general, I don’t know enough about Dorset that I would be able to jest about it in particular.
YW Moderator-80MemberSqueak have you inferred or are you implying that I am a female?
YW Moderator-80MemberSteak sauce, either A1 or Heinz 57. Also Worcestershire sauce, but make sure there is no fish in it.
September 30, 2009 6:02 pm at 6:02 pm in reply to: The Laboratory II – Try Your HTML & ASCII Art Experiments Here #1053898YW Moderator-80Memberwhats a backtick
Lyme disease is a disease carried by hard back ticks which usually live on deer. Although it is not common in Dorset one or two cases are reported each year. It is not serious if caught early and can quickly and successfully be treated with antibiotics.
September 30, 2009 5:58 pm at 5:58 pm in reply to: The Laboratory II – Try Your HTML & ASCII Art Experiments Here #1053895YW Moderator-80MemberDon’t back ticks carry Lyme Disease?
September 30, 2009 5:55 pm at 5:55 pm in reply to: The Laboratory II – Try Your HTML & ASCII Art Experiments Here #1053890YW Moderator-80MemberGood Question. I had the same problem.
YW Moderator-80MemberI don’t recall exactly when and where (or was it “where oh where”) I learned that squeak, but I found this just now:
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from this website
http://www.shemayisrael.com/parsha/ostroff/archives/shabbos5_23.htm
YW Moderator-80MemberYou can squeeze your hair directly into a towel (solid to solid) just like you can squeeze a lemon directly onto fish. You can’t squeeze your hair so the water goes onto the floor (but even this is only d’Rabbonon because you don’t want the water and it is not being collected)
YW Moderator-80MemberShabbos is coming
YW Moderator-80MemberATTENTION
I just got back from a long coffee-break. It seems an intruder took over my control period for a half-hour or so. There was very little evidence left, but the security team is going over the area as I write. We will find the intruder. Right now however, all that the techs have found is a small amount of some green debris. Possibly some kind of cabbage.
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