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MO’s are raised Zionistic and many younger have decided instead of being an armchair zionist, become a real zionist and move to Israel. Many younger MO’s have moved to Israel and become Dati Leumi’s so while the MO community in the US is stagnent. the DL community in Israel is quite large.
DY
I think you missed my point about Satmar. How many people who regulally go to satmar dont dress , speak and act like one. In MO places there is more a gammut of people and some who go really arent religious, but are placed in the MO community. I went to a MO school at least half the kids who went were not relgious at home. At least they tried how many more Charedi places would take someone more on the fringe of religiousity , the upside is many will stay, but the downside is many will leave.
I said its hard to defend, but its a reality.
Ive actually heard more about that you think, its more common.
I think most people are struggling, the frum lifestyle is expensive and people do have trouble making choices paying yeshiva tutions and other expenses that we can debate if they are nessasry.
I dont know if most outsiders can really surmise if the reason someone cant pay a yeshiva tutions is because they dont want to , or cant properly budget it
Dont know who said this, but they are likley british as the term Football matches is used. In American English this means a Soccer game,
Its hard to defend yeshivas who throw out kids whose parents do pay tutitions, but what are schools supposed to do, Expenses arent free. Even if you pay the rebbes late (if at all) The Bank who owns the mortgage, the Electric company, the Janitor who keeps the place clean (Not paying somone on time is a major offense in secular society) and others can cause a yeshiva to be shut down even if some people pay. But these are relaties.
Not everyone got a meal every day, Many times the greater students were the only ones to get a meal
One of the First yeshivas (If not the first) to really have a kitchen on premises was Yeshiva Chachmei Lublin and that was only built in 1930
Be glad they even serve you food, In Europe the yeshivas had “Eating Days” meaning you werent even served food every day
Modern Orhtodox is much more inclusive than charedism . When you are Satmar for example you are either 100% Satmar or 0% Satmar there really is no in-between. However Modern Orthodox is much more inclusive and includes people from those not much different than Charedi to those sort just hanging on and only marginally religious.
When you have a greater range of religiousity it does mean there will be more drop outs.
Its not true the DiBlasio stopped fighting people seeking special Ed placement. He only said he was going to , but in actuallity they are still fighting
Under Mayor Bloomberg an order came down to dispute every Special Ed case so the parents would eventually give in to the public school system because it saved the city money as many parents would eventually just surrender and even if the city lost and Arbitor would just order less money to the private school in question
In most districts if you dont want to send your special ed kid to public school you have to hire a lawyer and fight and they usually fight back (NYC even hires high priced lawyers for Rich Manhattanites who think their special Ed kid needs a $75,000 school). But generally the people who fight for teh bored of Ed are Hostile to yeshiva idea. So while you can win, its harder. in East Ramapo, they did not fight and just gave the parents whatever they wanted which costed more money.
Even in the Suburbs they are allowed to increase School Taxes without a vote because sometimes things come up that have to be paid for whether the votes like it or not(Like increases in Teacher pay and benefits which are union negotiated and cannot just be cut because there is no money and you cant fire tenured teachers)
For those who have difficulty with the english language, The state Mandatory for busing is 2 miles and 3 miles. However the district voted to give everyone busing even if they lived closer. In an Austerity budget the state mandates would remain, however those who lived in the areas not under the mandates would lose their busing in order to pay for other mandates.
Since we all agree there is a shortfall. You need to come up with a solution how to close the shortfall. You can either raise revenue or cut spending. If there is no spending to be cut you have to raise revenue from either raising taxes on the district or a state infusion of funds. The state infusion of funds is not likely to occur unless there is a monitor.
The Referendum can be overturned if there is an austerity Budget to the state law mandatory.
So Please tell us, What is your solution to the budgetory shortfall. The State is unlikley to give you the money without severe conditions if at all
In both NY & NJ no one can impose a local property/school tax increase without the voters approving it in a referendum. That’s the law in both States.
In NY they can definatly impose an icrease, althought it not so simple, Its really only for an emergency.
Basically we are at a stalement, I really dont think the state is going to give the money and a tax increase is also unlikely. There will have to be a deal at some point
Busing can also be cut, you can increase the distance required to get busing from say 1 mile to 5 miles from the School
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the state can provide the missing funds or it can impose a tax increase, but there is always room to cut. They can enforce budgetary savings even on madatory services. They only have to provide the services to a state minimun, not what you personally want
Rav Moshe was known to be Mekail, Rav Elyashiv was known not to hold this way
why would He permit mamzerim to marry at all?
As a rachamin for the mamzer, after all it wasnt his sin, but his parents
yytz: The halacha is that at a mamzer’s bris it is publicly announced that the child is a mamzer.
Communties dont talk to each other and if one community makes such a proclimation it very well would not be heard in another
I’m not a property owner, but I’ve heard that property taxes in East Ramapo are ridiculously high already.
Taxes are high in Most of the NYC Suburbs, not just East Ramapo
I think the focus would be better placed on preventing the sins from which mamzerim originate.
There are 2 seperate issues, Preventing a sin from happening and what to do AFTER sin happens and there is nothing you can do about it, and how to react to the aftermath of the sin
No where did I see Rabbi Riskin bowing to a cross saying Ave Maria
Most chareidim don’t have internet??
Where are you living…?
I said Most Charedim that I know. They are mostly Lakewooders. if they had clandestine internet, they did not tell me and one even tries to get me off it I dont think he realizes its how I make my income
Public Schools are paid for by everyone whethere they have kids in public school or not. People who dont have kids yet, or have kids past Public school age or dont have kids in public school all pay for public school. The only people who pay for yeshivas are those whose kids are in that yeshiva (or people who have connections to kids in that yeshiva like grandparents)
Trutfully I have always wondered who frequents YWN coffeeroom since most charedim I know do not have internet and I think its a shame, Id really like to hear their opinions and I am sure many others would too.
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Bite your tongue! According to ALL, it’s assur for Jews. The only debate is whether or not it’s avoda zara.
You misread the statement, I never said it was permitted for jews, I only said there is a disagreement if it was assur for Goyim. It could be the grammar was misread
I am not as Familiar with the laws of NJ vs the Laws of NY. I dont know what is manadated vs what is not and I dont know the Laws in NJ if a Budget is rejected.
I do know that in NY Busses can be put in Austerity if the budget is rejected and nobody gets busses
Between Yeshiva tutions, Kosher food (it IS more expensive than non-kosher) and the higher costs of living in a jewish area, It does make a difference
$140K I think was meant Pre-tax so his net income was actually lower. yeshiva Tuition is post tax money
In the Suburbs property taxes (School Taxes) are voted on regulary, In NJ most of the school budgets were rejected while in NY most are approved. However not all all approved and some when rejected the tax increase occurs anyway.
Not all districts are as rich as the 5 times. Many are poor like Roosevelt. and they really cant afford things that are mandated.
Some things are not subject to School tax voting like teacher pay or benefits
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you also forgot taxes which eat up about 30-40% of ones income
I am fairly certain the state can make a tax increase against the voters will, I think it has already happend in other juristictions like Roosevelt
There is no way if the voters vote down a tax increase is the state going to pay, other districts will do the same thing, they will all vote down their school budgets and make “others” pay.
The suing is more complicated and I cant really comment on a paragraph or 2 since I am more familiar with how it works than most. I can tell you that its much harder in general to sue the local board of Ed in most suburban Districts than it is in East Ramapo.Try suing in the 5 towns or Teaneck, you are unlikely to win what you get in EP (Or for that matter NYC, which is a bit easier to win) Most Suburban districts would not give you want people want in ER
There is certainly a disgreement if Christianity is Assur or not, according to some its assur for jews, but not for goyim (regards to the trinity)
Qutoting Rishonim about Christianity would not totally be correct because before the Reformation christinity was mostly either Catholic or Orthodox which has one doctrine. After the Protestant Reformation which began in 1517 there was a schism in christianity about theological ideas. Wars were fought over these ideas and while we might think they are insignificant obviously they did or they would not have fought all these wars.
If you want an example , see what some evangelicals think of the Pope and you might be shocked how little esteem some have for him. Icons are also not present in many forms of Protestanism and I dont think they exist in the largest denominations in the US of Methodist and Southern Baptist
Since the real issue is money and they need the state to bail them out the only solution I see is the following
Tax increases to the district and state money coming in,
They will have to give more proportinal representation to those people who attend the district so they have a voice in proportion to their resprensentation of the student body vs district wide population but with a greater need for the money than Yeshivas since Public school is considered a right and not a choice.
They will need to stop litigating everything and waste taxpayers money on lawyers
Home Schooling while Legal in NY, is alot more regulated than other states. you basically have to be a licensed teacher to do it
money is todays avoda zara R”L & this is why the economy went down. we bow down to money & serve it like a god R”L Thus we left Hashem no choice but to take it away from us.
Tell that to the Bank, Con Ed, Food , etc
The ER School Board should do the following:
A) Do not invite the school monitors.
B) Cancel all open purchase orders for which goods or services haven’t been provided except for Special Ed., lunch program and busing.
C) Funds saved should be used to fund a legal defense fund protecting the board from the monitor and the state.
D) Next years school budget 2016-2017 should have a 10% cut on everything except busing, special ed and the lunch program to fund the Board’s legal defense fund.
They didnt invite the school monitors, the state forced them in. If they refuse the board can be removed from office and thrown in jail along with heavy fines.
If they spend their money on Legal Defense funds, they can also be removed from office and thrown in jail as they did not provide the legally required education.
Spending money on Lawyers and not kids will really backfire.
Denying Bus service and Special ed to yeshiva students will end up costing the state even more if they lose in Federal court.
They have to provide special Ed serivces, however they do not have to provide special ed services to send students to the expensive Kiryat Joel School District. There is not legal requirement to teach Special Ed students in any language besides english and no requirement to adhere to cutural requirements , you might think there is, but there isnt
We live in a very generous society and people have begun to assume they are entiled to things without paying any price. I support Food stamps, medicaid Section 8, but more as last resort. That doesnt mean you have the right to drive your lexus while collecting Tzdekah. Nobody says you can have a car and get Medicaid, but it doesnt mean you should be driving a Lexus either.
DY
If you said it , I would have agreed as do most demographers
Taxes are high in all of New York, not just East Ramapo
East Ramapo has spent more money on lawyers than any other district in New York State except NYC
the charedi world is basically doomed
I will disagree there and its very likely the CHaredi world will be the domninat form of Judiasm in about 50-75 years and it has nothing to do with devices. It is other forms of Judaism that is likley doomed
Most charedi families have 10-17 children while the more modern have alot less kids and frankly the Charedi are more committed than the more modern who according to Pew have a higher leaving rate than the Charedim
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I am not exactly sure why they agreeded to pay, but it think it was probably related to the fact that they were richer and could afford it and they felt in the importance of a good public school education even if they did not use it themselves (I saw something like that said)
I’m not judging Artscroll. Hopefully they asked gedolim whether they should make a gemara app. If not, chances are their lot will be the same as all those who transgress the psak of the gedolim, whatever that will end up being after 120.
The entire gemorah is already scanned and OCR’ed (Meaning its in text mode already) and there are only about 6000 (I think) different words in the Gemorah. it would not be too difficult to make an automatic translation of the Gemorah into english that is searchable. Better for ArtScroll to do it properly than someone else with different motives
Almost anything has the potential for being overloaded with garbage
A bookstore could be all Seforim or it could be a Prizus bookstore or some combination
There are plenty of Seforim that would have been forgotton and not learned if it wasnt for electronic Media. While the torah will never be forgotton, individual seforim could very well be.
Hashem I am sure is getting alot of Nachas from the torah from less available seforim
In Lawrence which is richer than East Ramapo and Lakewood the jewish population agreed to pay for the shortfall.
Exactly when Chassidic women get married is not really the point, the point is its about 2-3 years before Litvish women
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