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YYA sinks to a new low by suggesting a commonality between those who criticize Chabad and those who support Neturei Karta. The differences should be manifest, but YYA is a talented wordsmith, and he may have fooled some into sharing his point of view, so let me debunk his theory. NK posits that Zionism is the root of all evil. Fine, but they never advance any cogent arguments to that point. They simply regurgitate this nonsensical mantra. In contrast, critics of Chabad clearly articulate our issues; the belief that the Rebbe is a deity, that he was a Novi, that he is Moshiach, that the Torah laws are no longer obligatory. The second major divide is that Neturei Karta calls for the elimination of the State of Israel. Having been labeled the “most strident anti-Lubavicher”, I can categorically state that I wish no harm to Chabad. In fact, I encourage all their activities and would like to see them grow exponentially. My problem is with Chabad theology which is not a valid representation of Judaism. Unlike the coward YYA who hides in his bunker when challenged I will respond to any challenges against my position.
My Chavrusa, who isn’t a “Chabadnik”, began his Teshuvah journey at a Chabad house. My guess is that most people whose life is touched one way or another by Lubavitch don’t end up becoming Lubavitchers themselves. From what I understand of their philosophy, simply getting a Jew to do a Mitzvah even once is enormously important, even if he never becomes a full fledged Baal Teshuvah, so they probably don’t see anything as low benefit.
yankel > both are true
And this is not new. RJBS writes in the 1950s (under previous rebbe) that he can’t balance 3 things – (1) brilliance of Baal Hatanya; (2) ignorance of popular chabad literature (3) the heroism of the shluchim going and saving Jewish neshomos in all places
We know that even Mordechai was demoted in the Sanhedrin after he got involved in communal affairs.
Qwerty613, excuse me for butting in, but you said four things, of which I have only heard of one.
1. The belief that the Rebbe is a deity.
2. That he was a Novi.
3. That he is Moshiach.
4. That the Torah laws are no longer obligatory.
I have only heard of number three, which בפשטות is wrong but not כפירה. I don’t know any Lubavitcher who believes number one רחמנא ליצלן. Number four would make all of their Mitzvah Campaigns irrelevant, so that also doesn’t seem to make sense. Number two I never heard of. Moshiach is supposed to be a Novi, but I never heard of anything said by the Lubavitcher Rebbe ZT”L in Hashem’s name as a Nevuah. Could you perhaps clarify?
To Shimon Katz
Your point is well taken. We all agree that Chabad does, or at least tries to do, much good. The term “low benefit kiruv” was an unfortunate choice.
To yankel berel
As is often the case, you hit the nail on its head. No one is challenging the fact that Chabad serves a valuable function(s). We’re just calling into question its dubious religious beliefs. Liars like YYA will only look at the former, because he can’t, as the expression goes, “handle the truth.”
Dr. Yaakov Qwerty שליט״א said “YYA sinks to a new low by suggesting a commonality between those who criticize Chabad and those who support Neturei Karta.”
You missed the parenthesis where I wrote: (not that I equate those groups).
The ONLY commonality I did suggest between the critics is that they are using the “Coffee Room” as a “Rage Room”. There are three main Chevra, with some occasional assistance, who constantly flame about the “Zionists”, as if the type of Zionism they are so worked up about even exists anymore. They often start pyro-provocative threads about dismantling Israel etc. There is another group who flame at “anti-Zionists”, especially NK. Now the fake NK clowns, as I have mentioned many times, exhibit all of the symptoms of “antisocial personality disorder”. The WORST thing to do with someone like that is to berate him and curse him etc., because he enjoys being a pariah and that just adds “fuel” for his fire. I don’t know what your field of specialization is, but as a doctor I’m sure you understand that. So neither of these two groups accomplish anything other than venting their anger in a “kosher” way. Then there is the third group, of which you are the leader and champion, who use Chabad as their punching bag. (You also use me personally as a punching bag, but that’s much better than using the Lubavitcher Rebbe זצ״ל, so feel free to keep on doing so.)
The צד השוה שבהם is that they are mainly looking for “kosher” לשון הרע and אונאת דברים and other such activities.
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