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To yankel; berel and square root
Shimon Katz and yedl are both good guys and they’re exceedingly bright, so why can’t we get through to them? For many years I had a close relationship with Rabbi Miller’s Talmid Muvhak. I eventually had to part ways with him because of Chabad. He refused to listen to anything I said because Rabbi Miller liked Chabd and the Rebbe and that was all she wrote. Shimon and yedl have their reasons for being attached to Chabad and the Rebbe and so they’re hopelessly lost.
To Shimon Katz
It’s Sanhedrin 111a. Rava says that only 1/300,000 Jews will be redeemed by Moshiach.
@ shimon kats
de-emphasizing fire and brimstone … does not mean that the actual criteria of the torah changed
not at all
only that the results of fire and brimstone mussar are sometimes not good anymore
and the results of the ‘loving’ type of mussar are better
cf. gemara end of sotah mentions what the kohen says to the soteh about other people transgressing
because of the superior results in getting the sotah to do teshuva , lav davka that it actually reflects reality …
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besides the point , this reality is anyway not noge’a to us
we do not sit in bet din shel ma’ala
the only thing we should be concerned about is our yachas to those people , nothing more
the ‘rich world of chasidut’ you mention, is only applying to our yachas to those people
but not to reality which did not change
@shimon kats
I heard multiple times from chashuve upstanding habadi’s that their rebbi is greater than moshe rabenu
they told me that in all sincerity
I cannot imagine anyone in the last 3000 years of jewish history saying that about his rebbi .
who else said that about their leader ?
the only person I can think of is someone who lehavdil also claimed he had no earthly father ….
they also told me that their leader is not in gan eden …..
correct me if wrong ….
The Chabad Rebbe succeeded in being mekarev less than 5% of non-observant Jews.
The true Melech HaMashiach will succeed in being mekarev 100% of ALL Jews.
Please notice the difference.
yankel berel – “I heard multiple times from chashuve upstanding habadi’s that their rebbi is greater than moshe rabenu”.
1. Is one of them querty’s chasuve chabad rabbi who totally misread the letter we discussed recently?
2. לגופו של ענין: You obviously think that calling the Rebbe Moshiach a ridiculous, but you know that many Lubavitchers believe so. Now I believe it is clearly written that in certain aspects (NOT nevuah – which would be against עיקרי הדת ) Moshiach will be greater than Moshe Rabeinu (I will not look up sources now, but I think this is pretty clear in the Rambam Hichos Tshuvah 9,2. See also likutei Torah Parshas Bamidbar) so what’s the big deal? It is just another way of saying that the Rebbe is Moshiach. (I understand that you think that is a big deal, but that has been discussed many times and your post is not adding anything to the conversation which we did not know.)
Dr. Yaakov said: Shimon Katz and yedl are both good guys and they’re exceedingly bright, so why can’t we get through to them? For many years I had a close relationship with Rabbi Miller’s Talmid Muvhak. I eventually had to part ways with him because of Chabad. He refused to listen to anything I said because Rabbi Miller liked Chabd and the Rebbe and that was all she wrote. Shimon and yedl have their reasons for being attached to Chabad and the Rebbe and so they’re hopelessly lost.
I’m pretty sure “Rav Miller’s Talmid Muvhak” was smarter than me, and you apparently hold me to be smarter than you. So why SHOULD he listen to you? Even if you are sure you are right. Are you willing to at least accept the POSSIBILITY that your own understanding of the issues (both שיטה and מציאות) is lacking? That would put you in a much safer position regardless of what you actually do למעשה. You certainly would tone down the language used when discussing people admittedly bigger than us in many ways.
As far as the Gemara in Sanhedrin. There is also a מאן דאמר there that says there won’t be a גאולה altogether… You know there are some other quotes there the Meshichist loonies like to use also. So we don’t know anything about what that Gemara really means. They don’t and you also don’t. Something the Rambam says בפירוש in הלכות מלכים.
SQUARE_ROOT said – The Chabad Rebbe succeeded in being mekarev less than 5% of non-observant Jews.
Mind boggling שבח you just said. Like saying להבדיל, that Elon Musk ONLY succeeded in amassing less than 0.1% of the world’s supply of money in his personal portfolio… But I agree that the real Moshiach will be mekarev 100% of Klal Yisroel איש לא נעדר, AND be richer than Musk…
Yankel Berel – Read carefully what you wrote about the Sotah and understand that you just were מתרץ Rav Friedman… I didn’t want to go there but you did. And it may not even be necessary to go that far.
@yedl
I’m greater than Moshe Rebaini in number of CR comments!
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