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To rescue
That’s your loss. I tried to be nice but you’re so full of anger nothing will get through.
To the group
Does anyone know what LA boy is talking about? Who said that he isn’t part of Klal Yisrael?
No it’s not my loss quaurty. It’s my gain. I don’t have time for hot air arguments based in la la land. So actually if I were to listen to your dumb whatever, I’d be wasting my time. But thanks so much for your “kindness”
Maybe one day when you look in the mirror and actually look at your actions clearly maybe then you’ll understand why someone might get slightly frustrated with your asinine way of talking.
It’s called rightous anger.
It’s called for especially with how twisted your logic is and how full of holes you are. It’s surprising you made it this far in life without falling smack on your faceTo rescue
I’d like to respond to your Zep comment. I was raised semi-frum. In my formative years all I cared about was sports and rock. In my early 30’s I realized that I wanted and needed Torah and now I learn about 7 hours a day. As for my Divrei Torah, I include references to sports, rock, TV movies whatever moves me. I disagree with the right-wing Rabbis who teach that everything secular is Treif. When I offered to send you my Divrei Torah it was with the idea that you’d understand how far away I am from what you’d like to believe I am, but apparently, you’re so full of hate that nothing can penetrate. Well, that’s your problem. As they say, ‘You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink.” One day Hashem will take you to task for not accepting my offer but by then it will be too late for you.
Here are the facts.
Drive around the streets of crown heights and see that so many boys and girls are OTD. Yet among shlichim in areas that have hardly a religious Jew their children turn out more inspired than the youth in crown heights. A plane that sits around and does not fly gets worn out. A Jew who sits back and does not increase his avodas Hashem,falls back. Children of out of town shlichim are busy helping their parents doing outreach. They get inspired.Querty it was a retoricL question. I don’t really care what you have to say at this point. You prob should stop answering to save face you keep exposing yourself as a fraud to your own upringing. Maybe when you admit reality exist. Like words have distinct meanings, common sense is real. You know like reality. Basic concepts. Maybe we can have a discussion until then just shove it. Ok?
I also don’t think proving to me how far away you are from whatever. I don’t care. And this isn’t hatred this is reaction by your own sick twisted behavior on how you treat people. Your an insufferable person. First you insult me, villify me call me names. Degrade me humiliate me all over having a normal oppion, and then you have the audacity to say “if you draw a horse to water you can’t make him drink”
Since when were you talking to me in a decent enough manner that I would want to listen to you. All you’ve done is degrade me over the pettiest thing. Please. The only person who needs to change his disgusting behaviour here is you. Please. Your a sick person honestly. Very sick and very sad. I almost feel bad for you. But no actually I don’tMods don’t post that last post. Let this guy live in his delusions. Post the second to last ones tho
Querty did I hear you say “if you draw a horse to water”
Right, so you can villify someone, make fun of someone humiliate them for having a critical thinking oppion, somehow that’s you “drawing a horse to water” the amount of insufferable delusion you live with. Wow. I wonder what mental gymnastics you have to jump through so you don’t have to face reality. Maybe tell us so we can learn how to live a full life without facing reality we really want to knowWhat are you”making me drink” not one word you said was decent, not one argument you brought to the table fallows logic. All you have is insults And Villificatjkn and you expect people to listen to you because?
You have nothing to bring to the table except insults and chAractor assisnations and you expect people to listen to you. Your insufferable and slightly cruel. It would be smart to stop exposing yourself thers nothing your saying that holds “water” so maybe when you have something decent to say. A part of the conversation you want to actually converse like a normal person then maybe someone will take you seriously until then you just seem like, the bottom of the barrel. I don’t have interest in any of your viewpoints as none of them refuted mine. So please stop being so stuck up to say you drew anyone to “water” you draw everyone to the swamp. Nobody is drinking from your swamp. SorryWell, that was alot of comebacks. But querty I think you got the point
To Flatbush Yid
I would agree with your assessment, but I would just question whether Chabad Kiruv really accomplishes anything. I do agree that when a couple goes out on Shlichis the entire family feels a joint sense of purpose and it tends to keep the kids on the Derech. Unfortunately, the Chabad derech leaves much to be desired. In your opinion is the OTD problem worse in CH than in other communities?
why is this part of their hashkafa different than the rest of their hashkafa the pount is they put to much emphasis on the rebbe so this is one of the problems that nemtzach from that
To ShtarkKeit
Your point is well taken and I’d like to elaborate. There are two ways to develop Dveikus to Hashem. The first is through Mitzvohs, e.g. preparing for Pesach etc. Lubavichers do that, as well or better, than mainstream Jews. The second is to work on improving oneself. This is the area where Chabad doesn’t rate, because there’s no concept of an all-seeing Eye in the sky who records everything. Instead, their focus is on doing those things which they think will make the Rebbe happy.
Querty….that’s a stretch
Querty believing there’s an “eye in the sky” doesn’t make you superior. Just means you have no internal moral compass and you need fear mongering to keep you in line that’s not a flex that just shows that your moral compass is so corrupted you need someone to tell you what to do or threaten punishment in order for you to do the right thing. That’s actually an inferior approach to life. Not that I agree with chabad but perhaps chassidus or their pivot from fear based thinking to more happiness based worship is more in line with overall peace of mind?
To rescue
I would think that you would totally endorse Chabad. According to their leading Rabbi, Manis Friedman, G-d no longer punishes sinners, so you would like that. On the other hand, all Lubavichers are required to accept that Schneersohn is Moshiach, and I don’t see you a someone who likes being told what to believe. One thing, “Where do you get this idea that I think I’m better than anyone?” I have many Rabbis and I defer to them at all times because they know far more than I do. Of course, they enjoy my Diveri Torah because, all modesty aside, I’m a talented writer. As for your comment, “That’s a stretch.” No, it isn’t. My son was at a shul several months ago. There were two Chabad OTD’s there, both now in Ivy League colleges. They recounted that when they were in Yeshiva their Rabbi would go around the classroom every day and ask each boy how he connected to the Rebbe the previous day. They are trained to deify Schneersohn. I know this because I see it. As I’ve stated I attend a Chabad shul during the week, and I see how the Rabbis brainwash their kids.
I hear what your saying querty, but I’m not sure what that has to do with I said.
Qwerty; Is your dental office open on Shabbos?
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Querty is so confused. Honestly dude. Does any of your beliefs fallow any kind of logic cuz you spew cognitive dissonance. Go check that up online. You scream one way and then try to argue another way then admit you watch tv but your exempt because you ask your LOR
Your such a fool. Wake the freak up.Chabad “Mitzvah Tanks” publicly state that their false messiah
“prophesied” [exact quote] that certain things would happen.This means that their false messiah is also a false prophet [navi sheker].
Chabad is also the only Chassidus that produced an ELOKIST
movement, which publicly stated that their false messiah
is [or was] G*D in human form [G*D forbid].May G*D forgive us for not hating Chabad enough!
To SQUARE_ROOT
You’re absolutely right, but I don’t hate Lubavitchers I just hate their false religion.
To Uncle Ben
If you assume that I’m Mechallel Shabbos because I watch TV, then you’re probably a follower of that foolish bigot Rabbi Miller. If you have some other reason for suspecting me, please share it. I learn about seven hours of Gemara a day and I write a weekly Dvar Torah that’s read by thousands of Jews over the internet including many Gedolim, so no, my office isn’t open on Shabbos, nor has it ever been, even though when I started practicing, I wasn’t fully frum.
qwerty613:
Rabbi Avigdor Miller ZTL ZYA may have been a bigot, sometimes,
but his dedication to studying Torah and teaching Torah was almost super-human.He taught approximately 40 different shiurim every week,
and that was when he was in his 80s!To SQUARE_ROOT
I thank you for your comment and I will happily respond. There is no question that what you’re saying about Rabbi Miller’s Torah is true. I was in a Yeshiva run by his Talmid Muvhak from 1990 until 2020 and it’s there that I discovered learning, so Rabbi Miller is indirectly responsible for my development. However, not everything about Rabbi Miller is rosy. Many people have a hard time discussing individuals who were a mixed bag. Overall, he was a great man, but some of the things he said were reprehensible. I know we’re on the same side on most issues. If you’d like to further discuss Rabbi Miller, we can do so, and if you want to be one of his acolytes who believe he was perfect I won’t burst your bubble. The thing that bothers me most about him was that he believed that no one had a right to challenge him. I know many great people, far greater than he was, and they never act that way.
So many interesting viewpoints. Let’s unpack, qwerty watches tv but thinks difference of oppion is kefirah….contradictory to say the least
False religion. Funny joke coming from you. Your religion and way of thinking is just as false
To SQUARE_ROOT
Take a look at Nevuah/rescue’s latest post. “Let’s unpack, qwerty watches tv but thinks difference of oppion is Kefirah.” First off, the only reason anyone has an issue with watching tv is because of Rabbi Miller’s lie that TV is considered sefarim chitzonim. What this dirtbag calls difference of oppion is his belief that one should only keep those Mitzvohs that make sense to him. Therefore, he proudly admits that he doesn’t keep Shabbos because its laws are illogical. I’ll just add a word. I assume you remember the Chabad Rabbanit who said that Schneersohn was G-d’s actual physical son. This atheist who now calls himself Nevuah defended her position as being valid. As he said, “She was expressing her oppion and she shouldn’t be bullied.” His mantra is that one has the right to argue against any law of the Torah that he thinks is illogical. He’s running scared as evidenced by his name change and now, he’s trying to play the tv card as if any Jew other than the idiots who follow Rabbi Miller think there’s a problem with TV. Just a point, I watch Jeopardy once in a while and a ballgame on Sundays, but I learn at least seven hours a day. This jerk spends his life online watching YouTube videos so he can feed his obsession with secular humanism. He’s an atheist far worse than Chabad, because Lubavichers at least keep Mitzvohs. Not only does he violate any law that he considers unjust, but he also tells others that they should emulate him. He’s a Chotei Umachtei and that’s yemach shemo.
qwerty> Many people have a hard time discussing individuals who were a mixed bag
everyone is a mixed bag, unless it is coming from a nicely printed “biography”. I don’t want to go back to Moshe Rabbeinu. Take Chofetz Chaim as an example – everyone is learning loshon hora sefarim and Mishna Berurah. His students were roshey yeshivos …
He also wrote multiple seforim trying to deal with Yidden becoming non-religious – some books for those who travel, others for those in the army, including short articles about halochos niddah asking literate women to read this to the illiterate ones… These books express tremendous ahavas Yisroel, but, as far as I can tell, his suggestions, such as “observant fathers provide travelling sons with money to buy kosher food and tell them really really well how important keeping kosher is” and “give tzedokah to travelers so that they eat kosher” and “keep mikvas at least somewhat clean so that Polish sanitary commissions do not close them” and “do not send yor daughters to Polish gymnasia” (but where?) did not really address core issues that caused assimilation and loss of observance. This does not mean, H’V, that the Rav failed, but this means that nobody is a navi and knows answers to all problems … and we see it better with time passed. Same with R Avigdor Miller, he addressed issues the best way he could, some better than others.
To SQUARE_ROOT
Let’s take a look at the sheigitz’ last post. “False religion. Funny joke coming from you. Your religion and way of thinking is false.” The atheist called nevuah/rescue was referring to my comment about Chabad. In his opinion my religion AKA Toras Moshe is false, and it should be replaced with his religion in which people decide which laws of the Torah make sense and only keep those. He has proudly stated that he doesn’t observe Shabbos because its prohibitions don’t make sense.
qwerty613:
In this Coffee Room, the loudest and most persistent
and most confident voices often belong to people
who are brainwashed fanatics.That is very unfortunate, because good people who use facts and logic
get out-shouted or shouted down by the brainwashed fanatical lunatics.If only this Coffee Room had real moderators, then that might be avoided.
But, as you already know very well, the moderators do almost nothing,
and the voices of insanity and hate win, not because they speak truth,
but because they are: stubborn, confident, loud and relentless.Some very intelligent people have publicly taught that
bad men are much more likely to gain positions of power than good men,
for reasons similar to the reasons that I already mentioned.The Neturei Karta and UJM and HaKatan are like insane “Doctors”
who “cure” their patients by prescribing deadly poisons.The problem is not that their patients are not sick;
the problem is that their “cure” is even worse than the disease.May THE G*D OF ISRAEL have mercy on us, and rescue us from all evil.
SQUAREROOT.
‘The Neturei Karta and UJM and HaKatan are like insane “Doctors”’.
Like Mengele was a doctor; not surprising, given UJM’s filthy Nazi bloodline.
To SQUARE_ROOT
I’d like to comment on your two points. First, Rabbi Miller said that Rasha and Raash(noise) have the same letters and this teaches us that Rashaim make a lot of noise. I would add that the reason they do so is because they know that what they’re saying is garbage and so they try to drown out any dissenting views. As for what you said regarding the moderators, you’re right that they won’t step in, but we don’t need their help. What we should do is when one of the Rashaim insults someone who’s speaking the truth, we have to defend that person. This throws them off.
So, your talking about yourself qwerty?
Querty the only rasha making alot of noise here is you. There’s no way your not ashamed of how out of the norm your acting. Maybe you simply lack control over your actions or feel justified cuz someone told you your justified. Stop appealing so much to authority. If you used your brains youd know quite clearly that your acting insane. But in the name of ideology your clearly think your “right” so you are not responsible for your actions. Wakeup.
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