Maricopa county audit

Because they stole the election

If it’s a joke what’s there to hide

TVAP,

There is another question which will clue you in. Why is the GOP-led Maricopa County Board of Supervisors also refusing to assist the effort?

Answer: They say that multiple past reviews have already demonstrated the election was run properly.

There is an internal GOP fight going on between those who want to find favor in Trump’s eyes because he still holds a stranglehold on the party and those who realize that the man destroyed his legacy and the GOP by losing the house, senate and WH in 4 years and lying about winning the election.

Yesr -” I claim that Donald Trump is guilty of inciting a riot and should be held responsible for the deaths of five people, the injuries of more than 100, and millions in property damage. Why not try him in court? If by the end of the case, no guilt is found, then he’s innocent!”

Trust me – they would – if they could!
I posted many times the Actual Law of Inciting to Riot!
What Trump did or said, didn’t even come close.
Why don’t you get your knowledge from the actual Law itself, instead of from the Fake Media?!?

@torahvaluesoverparty I see no logical reason why we have to devote time, energy, and resources to every claim by every guy standing on a street corner and shouting. For the Shouting Man, it’s a win-win situation. Either they find evidence to back up his claim, or they waste time looking for evidence and make it look like his claim is actually legitimate.

@mbachur @coffee-addict Because it’s hypocritical to say that the impeachment investigations of Trump are illegitimate due to lack of evidence, but investigations into voting fraud is valid.

TVAP,

First, the democrats didn’t try so hard. When they were required to post a million dollars bond they stopped.
Second, the GOP party in Maricopa County is also trying hard to prevent a recount.
Third, as Yserbius explained, just because some idiot claims something about an election doesn’t mean that they get to do a recount – that was already done to the satisfaction of the GOP Led Maricopa County election board.
Fourth, the people doing the recount are not unbiased. If you check the backgrounds of the owners of the companies that were hired, they are suspiciously very open to the idea that there was fraud.
Fifth, they will be calling voters to ask who they voted for to correlate their votes with their ballots. That is an invasion of privacy and will never get the truth.
Sixth, the results are meaningless and worthless because it’s being run in a partisan manner by the republican led senate in AZ.

So after these seven reasons, why do it and pay for it? Unless you are sure that you are going to get the desired result – there was fraud and Trump really won Maricopa County.

@torahvaluesoverparty Never, in the history of the human race, has an investigation into a matter where charged emotions have their minds already made up, changed the minds of anyone. An audit will not “reassure most of those tens of millions”.

Hundreds of millions of Americans believe that a man who lived 2000 years ago was Moshiach and a god. Just because a lot of people believe in something doesn’t make it true.

@torahvaluesoverparty Sorry, but I don’t believe you. You don’t have to be a fanatic or radical to have your mind made up. It’s pretty standard human nature and Newton’s Law, you need a lot of force to change the inertia of someone’s mind once it reaches a place it’s comfortable with.

There have already been countless debunks on the claims of voter fraud and zero proof that there was ever any fraud significant enough to change the election. Are you trying to tell me that all of that has nearly changed your mind and this one last thing will finally push you over the edge to admitting that there was no fraud?

TVAP,

The party radicals ARE running the Maricopa County Audit. Absolutely nothing to be gained in terms of truth.
A lot to be gained in propaganda for Trump and his supporters.

Because if they don’t fight this, they wont be able to rig the election.

“but it was a clerical error”

134,000 votes is a clerical error?

@coffee-addict @torahvaluesoverparty The clerical error was only in what was reported, the actual vote count was never affected. So even all the clerical errors in the world wouldn’t have changed the outcome.

I can see I’m not convincing anyone. Then let’s pick apart some other issues. I’m going to ignore the Republican election officials who were adamant that there was no fraud, and also the fact that all proven cases of fraud only totaled to a few dozen votes scattered across multiple states, and instead focus on specific claims

In Georgia there was a video showing a room full of ballot counters that empties out at the end of the day, then two people pull out suitcases from under a table, open them up, and add the contents to the ballot stacks. OAN purported that the video was showing secret ballot stuffing. In reality, according to people familiar with procedures, and the people who left the room in the video, the workers were opening ballots, not counting them, and the suitcases were full of already opened ballots that were added to the piles of open ballots waiting to be counted by another group.

A Trump attorney claimed that in Nevada, 42,000 people voted twice. In court, the evidence to back up that claim was slim to none and relied on a compilation of incomplete records obtained from the DMV matching up with names of people who voted.

99.9% of the other claims had little to no evidence to back themselves up. I specifically picked claims that on the surface were solid enough to even bring to court and/or have the President specifically address them. As you can see, even a cursory examination reveals the claims to be bogus.

I can bring up claim debunkings from here until Moshiach comes, but you can keep saying “But what about the other claims!”. If debunks on four of the strongest claims weren’t enough to make you skeptical, then what will?

what’s a g goon?

Participant -“what’s a g goon?”

A Government Goon.

Am I the only one to think that we have reached the end of free and fair elections? Elections from now on, will depend upon the qualify perception of how it was run. Nobody had a clue of the inner workings of the election process prior to 2020. Yet, many people make strong claims about the possibility/impossibility of fraud being perpetuated. Even if the major races this year do not claim fraud, the candidates will have to be ready to go to court to battle frivolous clams. This will affect the money on hand to run the actual campaigns. Even if both parties take the high road and agree not to convert the election no matter what – like they do in Africa – a fringe candidate can some along and upend everything with claims of fraud and vast conspiracy. Although the elections will have winners – maybe even unanimous winners, the election itself will not be free and fair. It will be costly too prepare for potential claims of fraud. And will be unfairly tilted to the candidates that embrace election turmoil.

@Health You didn’t address a single one of the debunkings I posted. And every one of your claims wasn’t “There was fraud and here’s proof” but “If you tilt your head and squint your eyes at the numbers, you can see where fraud may have occurred”.

@torahvaluesoverparty I was initially on the fence over the election fraud claims. But after looking in to who is making the claims, what they are claiming, and what the responses were, I concluded that there’s no evidence of fraud. I don’t see the purpose of examining every individual claim for fraud, especially if the evidence for some of the biggest claims is faulty or non-existent.

I still don’t get why Maricopa County in particular has you hung up. One county isn’t nearly enough to change the national votes to Red. You say that all claims from here on will have less credibility, if you read the details about the original claims, there wasn’t much credibility to begin with!

I think it’s all a distraction. Those few remaining Trump supporters know that no one wants to spend the time and energy auditing the Maricopa votes when there’s no evidence of wrongdoing. So they use that to their advantage. “Oh you don’t want an audit, huh? Must be because you have something to hide!”

Yesr -“Let’s not keep moving the goalposts and talking about each new claim of fraud each time one gets debunked.”

You don’t control what I post.
Get Off Your High – Horse!

And btw, I was commenting on this – This is your Comment:
“And every one of your claims wasn’t “There was fraud and here’s proof”

“This is called Fraud; From above:
“A Detroit city worker who was assigned to the election has sworn in an affidavit that she and others were ordered to change mailing dates on ballots and observed supervisors “coaching” voters to cast ballots for Democrat Joe Biden.”

“If you want to discuss my comment, then let’s stick to one claim at a time. How about the first one I mentioned, where Guiliani’s team claimed that for the Georgia votes to swing towards Biden is a one in a septillion chance, while in reality it was just a question of Blue districts and mail-in ballots getting counted last.”

So you insist I just comment on your Post about Georgia!
Lucky for you – I found Fraud there too!

“In Georgia there was a video showing a room full of ballot counters that empties out at the end of the day, then two people pull out suitcases from under a table, open them up, and add the contents to the ballot stacks. OAN purported that the video was showing secret ballot stuffing. In reality, according to people familiar with procedures, and the people who left the room in the video, the workers were opening ballots, not counting them, and the suitcases were full of already opened ballots that were added to the piles of open ballots waiting to be counted by another group.”

That wasn’t the Fraud!
Stop believing the Fake News!
Here’s the Real Fraud in that case:
“Thursday, a Georgia Senate Judiciary subcommittee heard new jaw-dropping allegations of alleged election fraud in the state from several people including President Donald Trump’s attorney, Rudy Giuliani.
The supposed video tape evidence alleges proof of ballots being counted without oversight. A subcommittee comprised of both Republicans and Democrats held a hearing at the State Capitol for perhaps the biggest bombshell presented to lawmakers from inside State Farm Arena.
For the first time, the president’s legal team, led by Giuliani, presented surveillance video from the state’s largest voting center. The video allegedly shows people taking out at least four boxes of ballots from underneath a table, and then counting them after hours with no election supervisors present”

The Ballots have to have Supervision!

Shame on the DemonCrats for Stealing the 2020 Federal Election!
For their desire to be in Control, they have made this country Worse than Russia or China!
And that’s why they’re focusing on January 6 & Trump’s call to Georgia.
This is called a Distraction to make believe that Biden won the Election!

@Health You can’t have a constructive dialog if you keep adding things to talk about. You have to focus on a few specific things at once, otherwise you get what’s called a “Gish Gallop”. So let’s take a few things one at a time. Second, let’s stick to somewhat reliable sources. YWN counts, so does Fox News, PBS, and Daily Wire. OAN, Facebook, NewsMax, and Twitter do not count as reliable sources.

Jessy Jacob Testimony: The (Republican) judge threw out her testimony because

“It asserts behavior with no date, location or frequency or names of employees.

“In addition, [she] offers no indication of whether she took steps to address the alleged misconduct or to [alert] any supervisor about the alleged voter fraud. Ms. Jacob only came forward after the unofficial results of the voting indicated former Vice President Biden was the winner in the state of Michigan.”

In other words, she was willing to testify on the generalities but refused to name any names, times, or places. So her testimony was worthless and not at all indicative of fraud. In all likelihood, her hesitancy was because she misinterpreted something that she saw or maybe just outright lied about it.

So you insist I just comment on your Post about Georgia!
Lucky for you – I found Fraud there too!

You did not address the specific claim I brought up, Google “Georgia votes one in quadrillion”. As for the video you mentioned, I actually addressed that in one of my previous comments.

Yesr -““IT ASSERTS BEHAVIOR WITH NO DATE, LOCATION OR FREQUENCY OR NAMES OF EMPLOYEES.
“IN ADDITION, [SHE] OFFERS NO INDICATION OF WHETHER SHE TOOK STEPS TO ADDRESS THE ALLEGED MISCONDUCT OR TO [ALERT] ANY SUPERVISOR ABOUT THE ALLEGED VOTER FRAUD.”

What kind of nonsense is that?!?
No date? The Judge doesn’t know when the election was?
Location – It says clearly the TCF Center.
Names of employees?
She didn’t know their names. She was a Temp.
Complain to Supervisors?
They were the ones who told e/o to Not follow the Rules!

“Ms. Jacob’s information is generalized. It asserts behavior with no date, location or frequency or names of employees,” he wrote. “In addition, [she] offers no indication of whether she took steps to address the alleged misconduct or to [alert] any supervisor about the alleged voter fraud. Ms. Jacob only came forward after the unofficial results of the voting indicated former Vice President Biden was the winner in the state of Michigan.”
The complaint, relying on affidavits from Jacob and others, alleges poll workers were instructed by election officials to not verify signatures on absentee ballots and process them regardless of their validity.
“Evidence offered by long-time State Elections Director Christopher Thomas, however, reveals there was no need for comparison of signatures at the TCF Center because eligibility had been reviewed and determined at the Detroit election headquarters,” the ruling states. “As to the allegation of ‘pre-dating’ ballots, Mr. Thomas explains that this action completed a data field inadvertently left blank during the initial absentee ballot verification process.”

And why believe Thomas over Jacob?!?
Of course this Judge was just being PC, to Not overturn Detroit’s win for Biden.
Not just this Judge, but even all the way up to SCOTUS.
They punted all the Election cases, so they could claim they are all Moot!
So who are you DemonCrats fooling – that we have Free & Fair Elections?!?