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  • #1982049
    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    Yserbius –

    one of my hobbies is arguing on the Internet, so I’ve gotten pretty good at tracking down claims and separating fact from fiction.

    so here’s the thing, I don’t like arguing on the internet or in real life. I was just giving my personal view of the situation, saying that it has come from gleaning facts I can evaluate myself without collecting random opinions. And that it left me wondering why anyone who is running an honest show wants to refuse an audit. Or wants to wipe their cell phones. Or wants to resist fact finding on things they swear are “kosher” but won’t allow anyone to evaluate. It is suspect. If they are so clean then prove it. And I believe that the resistance makes me personally more suspicious than the facts may have done.

    #1982161
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @syag-lchochma Nobody has an unbiased personal view of any situation. Look, Trump has been hyping this election up for months beforehand, insisting over and over again that there will be fraud. So it should come to no surprise that people saw exactly what they wanted to see when it came time for polling.

    I wasn’t even “collecting opinions”, all I did was read the claims that were submitted in court and read how they were interpreted by different news sources. If a claim was rejected (which they all were) I would dig a little deeper to find out why. That’s all.

    Furthermore, the claims that there’s this concentrated effort to hinder investigations are just as baloney as the original claims of fraud! The real roadblock is that people are sick of this stupid and baseless investigation. The Democrats didn’t try to stop the Maricopa audit because they had something to hide, they tried to stop it because not only is it a waste of time and money, but even if it turns up nothing, it will only benefit the hard core ma’aminim in the getchkeh of Trump.

    #1982178

    Yserbius, no im not either a researcher, however I do possess some common sense, and sometimes thats more than enough, as i’ve told you in the past on regards to Hydroxychloroquine. So in our case, we see Ruby Freeman talking piles of ballots and putting them into the tabulators multiple times. Is that automatic fraud? No, certainly not, perhaps there was something wrong with the machines, and the ballots needed to be recounted, or perhaps that was somehow part of the process. However answers are needed, as actions such as these are awfully suspicious. It would not take a “conspiracy theorist” to conclude from the video that fraud was committed. Good thing the Republicans understand how important trust in the election process is, and aren’t letting up with all the audits to come.

    #1982184
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @torahvaluesoverparty I’m not going to start chasing down every new scenario that’s brought up. I don’t know who Ruby Freeman is, nor do I care. I do know that every single accusation I looked at where Trumps team was claiming to be iron-clad proof turned out to be wet paper-clad. And then I came to this thread and I asked (repeatedly!) for any evidence that could convince a person that there was widespread fraud. The best examples given were a lady who didn’t know what she was talking about and a two hour video of a guy who did (but lied the whole way through).

    #1982182

    Yserbius, don’t tell the Democrats are hiring top lawyers, crying about the audits 24/7 because suddenly they care about taxpayer money. Besides, the Maricopa audit is being privately funded, so there goes that argument. And besides, opposing the audit because of money doesn’t explain why Democrats aren’t complying with already ongoing audits.

    #1982181
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    “Look, Trump has been hyping this election up for months beforehand, insisting over and over again that there will be fraud. So it should come to no surprise that people saw exactly what they wanted to see when it came time for polling.”

    If this is the type of conclusions you draw after research, there is a reason you work in the sciences. People don’t work that way, anti trumpers just think they do. Which is why i wasn’t interested in having discussions about my questions or conclusions with you. I was only putting it out there that someone could feel that way. Especially since it is so far from your assumptions of how we think.

    The rest of your post is you just restatung again your conclusions and why you believe they must be right but that means nothing to me. Im not looking for your take on it, I’m wanting to know what happened.

    #1982183
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    Torahvalues- saddest of all is that you know you’ll never know. Barr swears heads will roll and durham goes awol. Crickets on the new HCQ findings and reports on myocardial issues from the vaccine. There’s no accountability, no interest in truth and people like Yserbius calling everyone trump sheep is about all they need to say to make it all turn invisible.

    It’s like a scene from a really sad movie.

    #1982193

    Yserbius, I don’t need you to search out and answer for every one of lindells claims, however if you don’t know who ruby freeman is, I don’t believe you did that much research into the election altogether. Ruby freeman has been at the center of accusations over the last 6 months in Georgia.
    Syag-100%, its really sad. Speaking of the vaccine, my friend just ended up in the hospital a day after taking the vaccine. Bh he’s ok now, but being that the vaccine poses near zero risk to me, I don’t plan on taking it anytime soon…

    #1982287
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @torahvaluesoverparty and @syag-lchochma The Democrats certainly are going overboard in stifling any talk of election fraud which is stupid and just biting them in the back. But their reasoning is still sound, the more investigations they allow, the more power the “Give Me Trump or Give Me Death” crowd gains. That doesn’t mean there’s veracity to the claims just because they don’t want them investigated. Personally I think everyone should just ignore these silly endless audits and recounts. But then no one ever asks my opinion.

    I googled “Ruby Freeman” for giggles. Ok, I did know about that story, but I forgot her name. Thing is, she wasn’t “the center of accusations”. She was the center of accusation for that week. Because during the end of the elections, there was a different accusation, a different claim, and a different uber-evil that was causing all the fuss! And the claim about Freeman not only didn’t have a leg to stand on, but I don’t think even made it as far as any official claim given in to courts. She’s actually a pretty good microcosm of the whole mess. She was the subject of an hour long phone conversation with a group of Georgia Republicans who had to repeatedly tell Trump that what he’s looking for simply doesn’t exist. “Well then you’re not looking hard enough”. Do you see what happened? Trump and his supporters were so convinced by themselves (and no evidence) that there was fraud, that when they were faced with the facts that there’s nothing to what they’re looking into, they refused to step down and insisted that it’s their!

    This isn’t even comparable the HCQ or the vaccines. I am willing to admit that I may be wrong about those. There is a bit of contradictory research and a lot of very confusing trails that may or may not mean something. Like there’s actual evidence that HCQ helps with COVID and there were people who kept on trying to downplay it. But here, there’s literally nothing. Just a lot of people shouting about something that didn’t happen.

    #1982556

    Yserbius if what comes out of this thread is that you admit you were at least somewhat wrong on hcq, then this thread was a smashing success😂😂 but let me add that the research wasn’t all that contradictory, it was rather one sided. Hcq does NOT work when administered late, w/o zinc, in high dosage…and IS effective when given early, with zinc, and in low dosage…pretty much every last study showed that.

    #1982582
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    You would think so many people voted for a guy, at least half of them (ok a third) would watch his inaugural state of the union

    #1982593
    emes nisht sheker
    Participant

    Some comments are just asking for a response. Don’t want to call it hypocrisy, but sure seems that way…

    “so here’s the thing, I don’t like arguing on the internet or in real life. I was just giving my personal view of the situation, saying that it has come from gleaning facts I can evaluate myself without collecting random opinions. And that it left me wondering why anyone who is running an honest show wants to refuse an audit. Or wants to wipe their cell phones. Or wants to resist fact finding on things they swear are “kosher” but won’t allow anyone to evaluate. It is suspect. If they are so clean then prove it. And I believe that the resistance makes me personally more suspicious than the facts may have done.”

    First of all, doubt your ability to determine what facts are. A few minutes perusing your old comments… #1812827 you claim that it is an undisputed fact that Clinton, Obama, and Biden broke laws to interfere with Trump’s campaign (first one). Yet, we all know, the Justice Department under Trump and his henchman Billy Barr, the Republican Congress never found such a finding. So you have an undisputed “fact” that Trump’s own Justice Department and the Republicans never found. Guess you must be privy to some facts that the rest of us are not.

    Well, why would I bring up this undisputed fact of yours, because clearly it shows that despite something not being an undisputed fact you concluded it was an undisputed fact. When we talk about audits and exonerating yourself, you suggest that Democrats should support audits conducted by partisan Republicans run by companies that are headed by avid pro-Trumpers and you think that will somehow show the truth. Fascinating the duplicity here. You, yourself, have formed flawed conclusions and have called them undisputed facts despite lacking facts, so when you suggest that a partisan audit would come to an objective result, frankly I assume much like you, they will come to a preconceived conclusion regardless of the facts or lack of them.

    Frankly, the opposition to the audits is because the audits are a sham and being conducted unethically and improperly. They can’t form objective opinions because they are 100% the product of extreme bias.

    Actually, while I believe flawed in that case, this was your argument in comment #1808280 when you criticized the first impeachment of Trump as being all part of a cabal that had pre-conceived notions. In your own words, “When you lack yashrus, nothing you say is worth listening to.” I guess suddenly now lacking yashrus when you are a conspiracy minded person who supports Trump, somehow makes you worth listening to. My how your deep-seated beliefs and opinions have sure seemed to have changed.

    Naturally your inclination will be to respond by calling me a stalker. The thing is some of the other folks here are extremely shallow and clearly off the wall. Debating with them is pointless as everyone can see who and what they are. You though, you try so hard to come across as objective and as someone who sees the bigger picture and has considered an event from many angles, but ultimately I find you twist things to suit your agenda. That is why I choose to sometimes respond to your comments and not others.

    Btw, if you do not like arguing, not sure why you would post in this pathetic and ridiculous thread.

    #1982617
    Health
    Participant

    Yesr/Ubiq -“Thanks for pointing out a specific time in the video. I watched the first five minutes and found the numbers you’re talking about. He lists about eight or ten counts of votes that he claims should have gone to Trump, the largest of which was the 250,000 adjudicated Arizona ballots.”

    Why do you keep lying?
    Does your brain work at all?
    Lindell’s list is not to say all those votes should have gone to Trump, but they can’t be counted in the Voting.
    They are Illegal!
    You obviously have No reading/hearing comprehension.

    “I’m glad we’re finally coming to a consensus. You admit that I am right and the three numbers from Lindell’s chart that I picked at complete random are false. I am not going to bother discussing the others, because they already are in chazaka to be as false as the ones mentioned.”

    I never wrote that!
    What I wrote was – that even if you say those categories can be counted, I have 2 from the list that can’t be counted in the Voting in Maricopa County.
    Since Biden won the State only by 10,000 votes & the 2 categories are around 72,000 votes.
    So at least Biden got from the 72,000 – around 20,000, probably much more, since that county is mostly DemonCrat.
    So 20,000 Ballots for Biden have to be Thrown out – that means Trump won Arizona!
    Because almost all the other Counties went to Trump, if Not All!

    “Oh, and Scytl does not have a subsidiary in Germany”

    I told you before Lamsfeld said the Name – I just didn’t catch it.
    Listen to the video and when Lamsfeld says the name – we could all figure out if he’s telling the Truth!

    #1982661
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @torahvaluesoverparty My argument against HCQ wasn’t that it didn’t work, it was that there’s no evidence that it worked as well as you claim it did. There’s a lot of confusing writings about HCQ in general, whether it helps or not. And I do believe that it got bad press namely because Trump touted it as a miracle drug. But I still stand by my original statement that there’s very little evidence that it can be used to cure 90% of COVID cases. I am willing to be proven wrong on that one, since there really wasn’t a lot of investigation or research. But the Trump fraud claims are different since were investigated and diddly squat was found.


    @Health
    Please please please can we keep this a civilized argument. I enjoy debating on the Internet, but your constant screams of LIAR and LIBERAL are tiresome, pointless, and counterproductive. Now on to your points:

    Lindell starts his video with the claim of 350,000 ballots that should not have been counted towards Biden. The claim is blatantly false as

    1. 250,000 of those he said should not be counted were simply adjudicated. Which means that they were investigated. The investigation turned found them to be fine, so they were counted
    2. You claim that there were at least 10,000 votes on that list that should not be counted. I’m calling you out on that claim, as the few numbers I did look into turned out to be fake and lies. So I highly doubt there’s any more truthiness to the other numbers

    I don’t know who Lamsfeld is and I don’t think anyone of that name shows up on Lindell’s video. Searching for the name turns up this thread as the top result. If you watched the video, you should know at what point the name was said. So then watch that part again and tell me the name.

    What we have here is simply a case of misplaced emunah. You see, emunah is something you believe even if everything tells you otherwise. No amount of science or archaeology is going to make me doubt the reality of Hashem and His Torah. That’s emunah. But for everything else, you should be skeptical. You shouldn’t believe things just because someone said so. It looks like you took your emunah away from Hashem and are using it on Trump instead, believing everything he ever said no matter what.

    #1982668
    Health
    Participant

    Yesr -“I’m calling you out on that claim, as the few numbers I did look into turned out to be fake and lies. So I highly doubt there’s any more truthiness to the other numbers”
    Prove it!

    “I don’t know who Lamsfeld is and I don’t think anyone of that name shows up on Lindell’s video.”

    I’m not sure what his name is exactly, but you know about him.
    He did the Audit in Antrim County.
    From page 1 on this topic:
    From News max:
    “A forensic audit of the presidential vote tally by Dominion Voting Systems software used in Antrim County, Michigan, claims to have shown a more than 68% error rate, with auditors claiming the system intentionally creates the errors so the machine can have them “adjudicated” – allowing individuals to change the result.”
    “The audit was conducted by Allied Security Operations Group, a group backed by the Trump campaign, and does not confirm that Dominion engaged in any wrongdoing or acted improperly. The Trump auditors claim the error rate is unusual considering the Federal Election Commission allows a maximum error rate of just 0.0008 percent for computerized voting systems.
    Allied Security claimed “The system intentionally generates an enormously high number of ballot errors. The electronic ballots are then transferred for adjudication. The intentional errors lead to bulk adjudication of ballots with no oversight, no transparency, and no audit trail.”

    #1983091
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @Health Until you can find me either the name of the alleged Scytl subsidiary, the time in the video in which it’s mentioned, or at least the name of the guy who mentioned it, this conversation can go no where. Again, I have no interest in watching the whole video beyond those few minutes I already saw.

    I’m not going to discuss this new claim about adjudication on the Dominion machines. Lindell’s claim of 250,000 adjudicated votes was about mail in ballots in Arizona.

    #1983148
    Health
    Participant

    Yesr -“Until you can find me either the name of the alleged Scytl subsidiary, the time in the video in which it’s mentioned, or at least the name of the guy who mentioned it,
    I’m not going to discuss this new claim about adjudication on the Dominion machines. Lindell’s claim of 250,000 adjudicated votes was about mail in ballots in Arizona.”

    Ya’See I’m not interested in convincing anyone that thinks this is Country is Democratic.
    Like I posted before all the Commy Countries can learn from the Good US of A how to trick the population!

    But I will answer your questions, because the Normal people that live here Don’t realize they’re better off living in China or Russia, than USA!
    It’s sad because I lived through the Time when the US was Really Free!

    The Truth is you don’t want to watch Lindell’s documentary because you might get depressed that our Country isn’t run by the people for the people, but by Some Elitists who think we are All Stupid!
    It’s Not just DemonCrats, but also some Republicans.
    Allied Security boss name is Russell Ramsfeld.
    Lindell had him on the Documentary.
    He was on good part of the Time.
    But on 43 minutes he explained how the Votes are changed.
    Sytel has a subsidiary in Germany called Clarity something.
    In this company, all the votes go through.
    Someone here planted Malware that records all Voting info from the US – by County.
    When they need their candidate to win – they just change the numbers.
    They don’t make it too obvious – let’s say Biden was losing by 10,000 votes – so they pick the same county or a different one in that State that makes Trump lose 20,000 votes!

    #1983181

    Yserbius, my main claim regarding hcq was never that I was 100% sure it was 90% effective. My claim was that any evidence, anecdotal or not, that showed success was downplayed a y dismissed my the democrats because and only because trump promoted it. I also said I think the medical establishment, which got cover from the mainstream media, dismissed hcq for money reasons mixed with politics as well. The point we seem to be arguing on is that you think the study results are mixed. They are not at all.

    #1983361
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Syag,

    You may not have been following in November and December. Audits were done then, as is required/allowed by the election laws. Nothing was found. The Republicans that initiated this audit, clearly said that it is not about overturning or questioning the results. (That would be illegal.)

    Since your not caught up in this nonsense. Maybe you could help me understand Trump’s position. If he was so convinced he won, why did he not pay for more recounts? Was it more about the money? Did he only start believing that he really won after it was too late?

    #1983373
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    Why would I know anything about trump’s position?

    #1983376
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @Health Ramsland not Ramsfeld. This whole conversation started because I was wondering what smashing strong evidence is out there that proves Trump really won the election. So yeah, you kind of do need to convince me that you’re not just believing every schmo on the street who claims to know something. As of this moment, I’m not convinced. In your attempts to show that there’s reasonable concern to say that the election was fraudulent, you failed on multiple occasions to answer simple questions and instead insulted me again and again calling me a liar and liberal and democrat.

    OK, on to Ramsland. I must say, than you for that timestamp. It contains one of the singular most hilarious pieces of dialog ever filmed:

    Ramsland: The election was hacked and there’s proof in the machines that the numbers were changed!
    Lindell: WOW! And you saw this code that proves it was hacked?!
    Ramsland:…. no.

    Now, Ramsland first errs in stating that Clarity Election Night Reporting is a subsidiary of Scytl. That’s false. Clarity Election Night Reporting is the name of the service that Scytl offers/sells, not a company. Ramsland then goes on to say that they had a server in Frankfurt where they stored the votes. That’s also false, and based on a lie on Twitter by a Congressman that I mentioned earlier. Scytl does not have German servers, alleged German servers were not raided by the FBI, those same non-existent servers were not analyzed with “white hat techniques”, nor did Mr. Ramsland find QSnatch malware on them (since he never actually had access to these non-existent servers)!

    #1983379
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @Health One more thing: Clarity Election Night Reporting is only used to report election results to the media. The actual election results are tallied separately and not connected to Scytl systems. So even if the Clarity platform was hacked, it still wouldn’t change the results.

    #1983384
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @Health Most of my info comes from a document that Michigan had commissioned called “Analysis of the Antrim County, MichiganNovember 2020 Election Incident”. It details the mistakes and intentional errors that Ramsland and his ASOG team made. I guarantee that if you read the whole document with an open mind, you will doubt everything you heard Pillow Man say.

    #1983437
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Syag,

    I was hoping that you would give some thought to this angle. 🤔

    It is hard to figure who is who when it comes to election accountability. But Trump is obviously the one with the most on the line. His inaction from since the results were made official until now, makes it evident that the original results were true and an accurate reflection of reality.

    Most politicians ignored the ruckus about fraud etc. (Exhibit A: Mitch McConnell) And most of the discussion now is taking place in States controlled by Republicans. And those in charge of elections in every state regardless of party insist that no fraud happened under their jurisdiction.

    #1983453
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    sorry to disappoint. I really never figured in the trump piece. I never thought about what drives him and I’ve never really heard him on this topic (yes, really. I almost never listened to any clips of him speaking outside of state of the union).

    #1983492

    N0MESORAH-all the previous audits consisted of is a recount of all ballots-including potentially fraudulent ballots. I’m not sure exactly how all previous audits were done, I do know this it was done in a completely non-transparent way. No one knows how/when it was done. No point in trump paying for more recounts if they’re not going to forensically audit each ballot.

    #1983522
    Health
    Participant

    Yesr -“Ramsland: The election was hacked and there’s proof in the machines that the numbers were changed!
    Lindell: WOW! And you saw this code that proves it was hacked?!
    Ramsland:…. no.”

    You forgot the rest.

    “nor did Mr. Ramsland find QSnatch malware on them (since he never actually had access to these non-existent servers)!
    One more thing: Clarity Election Night Reporting is only used to report election results to the media. The actual election results are tallied separately and not connected to Scytl systems. So even if the Clarity platform was hacked, it still wouldn’t change the results”

    The thing with you is either a Member of our Illicit Government or a Fool that actually believes that the Election was honest.
    Ramsland started his investigation in 2018 in Texas.
    I was just giving you the time of the thing about Clarity.

    If you’re interested in the Truth – you’ll watch the Whole interview with Russell.
    It started around 24 minutes or a little before that.
    IDK where the Malware is – maybe in Germany, Italy or Spain, but Russell proved that US elections are comprised!
    You could be correct about Clarity; then the Malware is in Sytel itself.

    I’ll give a little info from the Documentary, because Not e/o can access it!
    In Dallas, they proved our Elections via computers are comprised and False.
    They investigated Early Voting there, I’m not sure if it was in 18 or 2020.
    Even if it was in 18, things didn’t get better in 2020.
    They got all the info from the State – Name, Resident, etc.
    The only thing that wasn’t given to them – was how they voted.
    So what they did was (e/o knows how computers work 0’s & 1’s) they followed the numbers.
    They found 57% was changed from the original vote!

    So if you think Russell is lying – think again!
    Some of our Government are worse than China or Russia!
    DHS finally sent a group to investigate.
    They gave the info to 3 separate companies to confirm.
    They all did!
    So that Dept. in DHS brought it up the line – the 2nd supervisor up the line – Squashed it all!
    BTW, the FBI didn’t want to hear it.

    So Now we see that the Commy Countries have what to learn from the Good Ole US of A!
    In case Yesr or Ubiq are wondering – Trump won the 2020 election, probably by a Landslide!
    That’s why the DemonCrats & the Lib Leftists are trying their hardest to Censure & Erase M. Lindell & his Documentary called “Absolute Truth”!

    #1983774
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @Health Ramsland proved nothing as the document I named previously goes into great detail to show. All he does is claim that he saw evidence, but conveniently cannot show you what that evidence is. His actions in Texas two years ago are not my concern, we are discussing the here and now. I picked several things he said that are easily disproven as errors or lies (servers in Germany, Clarity as the name of a company, etc.) which should be enough for an honest person to not believe everything Ramsland has to say.

    If you choose instead to believe Ramsland, then, well, I don’t know what to tell you other than you are choosing to believe someone on a topic he is openly and provably dishonest about.

    What’s Ubiq’s full username? I’m trying to remember if I even agreed with them on anything.

    #1983887
    Health
    Participant

    Yesr -“Ramsland proved nothing as the document I named previously goes into great detail to show. All he does is claim that he saw evidence, but conveniently cannot show you what that evidence is.”

    Stop lying!
    He clearly said he saw the numbers that the guy voted at the beginning – & when it came back to the County – it was different. He said that occurred with 57% of the Votes.

    “If you choose instead to believe Ramsland, then, well, I don’t know what to tell you other than you are choosing to believe someone on a topic he is openly and provably dishonest about.”

    I don’t choose to believe him.
    I chose to believe the Dept. of Homeland Security.
    They actually gave the evidence to 3 independent Companies to Confirm Russell’s Findings!
    Unfortunately, like other Corrupt Countries, the Woke Garbage comes before the Constitution.
    We have a Fake Government that weren’t put in by the population.
    That’s why the Left, Libs created a False Flag on Jan. 6.
    The more they blame the Right Looney bins, the less chance the Rest of the US public will see the Truth!
    Coming here with your lies aren’t gonna change the minds of the Cons that post here.
    You & the Rest of You Libs can continue to live in your Little Dream Worlds!

    #1984180
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @Health

    He clearly said he saw the numbers that the guy voted at the beginning

    Yes. Ramsland claimed he saw a lot of stuff. Stuff that was not backed up by any other independent witnesses. So in order to believe what he said, you have to take him at his word. Which is something that I find difficult, as there are several claims he makes which can be independently checked and are blatantly false.

    So let’s reiterate:

    I said to pick two pieces of evidence to discuss. Here is your evidence:

    1. “The Illegal Votes are 10 times more than the amount Biden won by!” Your evidence for this was a list that Mike Lindell supplied showing 350,000 Arizona votes that should not have gone to Biden.
    2. there is some sort of Malware in Germany that takes all the Info from every place. For the Highest Bidder they get to change each County.” Your evidence for this was Ramsland’s claims

      OK, let’s look at them one at a time:

    1. 350,000 votes. Even according the the list itself, 250,000 of those votes were not fraudulently attributed to Biden, they simply went into adjudication. Several other numbers were also highly suspect as there’s literally no other source for them, like tens of thousands of illegal alien voters
    2. Ramsland investigated the computers and found that servers in Germany changed the votes. Well, Ramsland is a liar. There’s literally no other way to say this. On the Arizona ballot (unlike the ballots in 2019 where he had DoHS working with him) specifically, he made a bunch of false claims (like Clarity is a company, or that Scytl tallies went to the official vote count) which means there’s no reason to believe him when he says he found something that’s too dangerous to show anyone.

      So I guess that settles it then, right? There’s nothing more to talk about. The two biggest pieces of evidence that the “Trump or Die” crowd could come up with are literally nothing. There’s simply no reason to believe any fraud happened.

    #1984237
    yaakov doe
    Participant

    Were any panda prints or bamboo traces found on the Arizona ballots?

    #1984263
    Amil Zola
    Participant

    How long can one beat a dead horse?

    #1984396
    Health
    Participant

    Yesr -“Yes. Ramsland claimed he saw a lot of stuff. Stuff that was not backed up by any other independent witnesses. So in order to believe what he said, you have to take him at his word.”

    The problem with you – you don’t read my whole post!
    From previous -“I chose to believe the Dept. of Homeland Security.
    They actually gave the evidence to 3 independent Companies to Confirm Russell’s Findings!”
    So I don’t know if this from 2018 or 2020, but they never corrected the Computer Systems!

    So Stop pretending that the US has fair and free elections!
    So right now the Left, Libs are in Seventh Heaven.
    But two can play this game.
    So it won’t be too long for the other side to be on Top.
    Arizona is the first one, but a lot of Republican States sent representatives to Arizona to look at what they are doing.

    This country was Started by G-d Fearing people – there are still some left.
    It won’t be too long for the good people here to realize that M. Lindell’s Documentary is the Truth!
    Even though you Libs have cancelled & censured the Truth!
    So it won’t be too long for e/o to realize that the 2020 election was Stolen.
    So you Libs enjoy the time you have left, because a lot of you will soon be in Maximum Security Federal Pen.
    You have played a good game, but the Truth, at the end, always Wins – because it’s Hashem’s Rules, Not some Lib, Leftists, Woke Rules!!!

    #1984799
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @Health You’re talking about the Dept. of Homeland Security involvement in ASOG back in 2018. You are wrong. They absolutely did not confirm his findings back then which were completely different than his findings in 2020 (which were also not confirmed by DoHS).

    As we are focused on the 2020 findings (which again, are a very different than the ones in 2018 other than the tzad hashoveh of “election computers”), once again I have to restate that Ramsland has no proof.

    So we are back to square one. You are claiming that fraud happened because someone on the Internet said so. I am claiming that there’s no proof because there’s no proof. I hate to toot my own proudly Conservative, Republican voting, horn, but my logic works an awful lot better than yours. If you wanted Heaven fearing people in the government, maybe you shouldn’t literally worship Trump, the guy who claims to be Xtian, but blatantly and publicly commits aveiros according his own religion (and probably Sheva Mitzvos too, at least according to some Rishonim) and has been seen praying less times in public during his whole reign than Biden has in the last few months.

    #1984947
    Health
    Participant

    Yesr -“I hate to toot my own proudly Conservative, Republican voting, horn, but my logic works an awful lot better than yours”

    You’re are a classic comedian!
    You actually want the Readers of YWN to believe you?!?
    Do you have MPD – considering that you are the most Liberal Poster here with your Multiple SN’s?!?

    “You’re talking about the Dept. of Homeland Security involvement in ASOG back in 2018. You are wrong. They absolutely did not confirm his findings back then”

    Stop trying to Manipulate e/o here!
    One Dept. of HS didn’t want to take the case, but the other sent a team to Dallas to investigate Russell’s Findings.
    They subsequently brought his findings to 3 independent Companies.
    They all confirmed it.
    So the Next thing that Dept.did was bring it up the chain of command.
    It got to 2 levels of Supervisors, but eventually it was quashed!

    So Trump was right – the Corruption is Not just in the Politicians, but also in the Upper Levels of the Federal government!
    So you see our elections by computers are Not Free & Fair.
    The fact that it was proven in 2018 is irreverent because it would be Major News that our elections are Not reliable by Computers & they are doing everything in their power to Correct it!
    So Russell’s saying that the 2020 election is Not to be believed is redundant – because how many times do you have to repeat the Same thing?!?

    But instead our Government decided to be like other Commy Countries and Deny it all!

    #1985257
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @Health

    So to get our stories straight: We had two points. One point the only thing you had to go on was Ramsland’s word. And the only thing that backed that up was something that happened two years ago. On the second point you 100% admit that I am right.

    #1985416
    Health
    Participant

    Yesr -“And the only thing that backed that up was something that happened two years ago. On the second point you 100% admit that I am right.”

    Now you’re saying that I admitted that you’re right?!?
    LOL.
    I called you previously a King Liar, now you earned the Title of King Manipulator!
    Two years ago, Russell proved that Computer Election Systems are Comprised, eg, Dominion, etc.
    So nothing has been done in this Country to change that!
    E/o can assume in 2020 the election was compromised!

    Since you’re the Know-it-all, you should know that both in American Law & Torah, the proof now reverts to the other side to prove the Election is Fair & Factual.
    They didn’t do that. All they did was Scream -“Nothing to see here – Conspiracy Theory”!

    So why did Russell look at Antrim County, because the assumption is that it’s Compromised?
    Simply because they Paid him.

    #1985716
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @Health Well, the fact that there were two claims that I asked you to prove, and you ignored one to focus on the second kind of indicates that shitaka k’hoda’ah, you admit I’m right.

    And since Ramsland’s claims three years ago were different than what he claimed last year, you can’t really use one to prove the other.

    QED

    #1985748
    Health
    Participant

    Yesr -“Well, the fact that there were two claims that I asked you to prove, and you ignored one to focus on the second kind of indicates that shitaka k’hoda’ah, you admit I’m right.”

    Another lie from the King of Liars!
    I don’t have to prove every case.
    Once I proved that Computer Election Systems are not reliable, it’s a waste of my time to go through every single case you bring up!

    “And since Ramsland’s claims three years ago were different than what he claimed last year, you can’t really use one to prove the other.”

    Another manipulation from the King of Manipulators!
    What did Russell prove?
    He proved that Computer Election Systems are Comprised.
    So until s/o proves that they are reliable – there’s No difference one year to the next!
    So every single area has to prove that their election is Fair & Free.
    Not just -“Nothing to see here – Conspiracy Theory”!
    Once upon a time, that was the Normal, but Not anymore!
    So the assumption is that the Computer Election Systems are Not reliable, until each area that uses them proves that it is!
    So the 2020 election was Stolen, until each Area proves that it wasn’t!
    That’s why Arizona and other Republican places don’t know what they are doing.
    They don’t have to look for Fraud – it’s Assumed!
    That’s why the DemonCrats are getting away with the Steal of the Century, because the Weak Republicans are on the
    Defense, instead of on the Offense!

    #1985917
    JacobLev
    Participant

    Michigan Republicans Debunk Voter Fraud Claims in Unsparing Report

    The report, produced by a G.O.P.-led committee in the State Senate, exposes false claims made about the 2020 election by Trump allies in Michigan and other states.
    A committee led by Michigan Republicans on Wednesday published an extraordinary debunking of voter fraud claims in the state, delivering a comprehensive rebuke to a litany of accusations about improprieties in the 2020 election and its aftermath.

    The 55-page report, produced by a Michigan State Senate committee of three Republicans and one Democrat, is a systematic rebuttal to an array of false claims about the election from supporters of former President Donald J. Trump. The authors focus overwhelmingly on Michigan, but they also expose lies perpetuated about the vote-counting process in Georgia.
    The report is unsparing in its criticism of those who have promoted false theories about the election. It debunks claims from Trump allies including Mike Lindell, the chief executive of MyPillow; Rudolph W. Giuliani, the former president’s lawyer; and Mr. Trump himself.

    #1986156
    Health
    Participant

    JL -“The report is unsparing in its criticism of those who have promoted false theories about the election. It debunks claims from Trump allies including Mike Lindell, the chief executive of MyPillow”

    That’s the Weak Republicans trying to save face.
    I doubt they even watched Lindell’s Documentary.
    The video proves beyond a Shadow of a Doubt, that our Computer Election Systems are Comprised!
    So I don’t care about False or Real theories.
    So these Repos should Stop being PC & learn how to be honest!
    For all we know, they won their elections themselves, against other Republicans, because the Computer Election Systems made them Win.

    #1986155
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @Health You’re the one that kept jumping around and mentioned dozens of claims of voter fraud and getting all angry if I didn’t prove each and every one wrong. So we agreed to focus on two.

    Your argument about Ramsland would make sense if two things were true: (A) The 2018 claims were proven and (B) they were similar enough to the 2020 claims.

    Neither is true. The claims were not proven, as evidenced by the report I and @JacobLev mentioned. And they were completely different claims, focused on different companies, different machines, and different states! In 2018 he claimed that the Dominion machines were connected to the Internet and hacked to change individual people’s ballots. In 2020 he claimed that the Scytl servers had malware on them that allowed people to change the total vote count. Very different beasts, other than the one similarity of “computer” and “vote”.

    #1986168
    Health
    Participant

    Yesr -“Your argument about Ramsland would make sense if two things were true: (A) The 2018 claims were proven and (B) they were similar enough to the 2020 claims.
    Neither is true. The claims were not proven, as evidenced by the report I and @JacobLev mentioned. And they were completely different claims, focused on different companies, different machines, and different states! In 2018 he claimed that the Dominion machines were connected to the Internet and hacked to change individual people’s ballots. In 2020 he claimed that the Scytl servers had malware on them that allowed people to change the total vote count. Very different beasts, other than the one similarity of “computer” and “vote”.”

    It was proven by DHS.
    Another lie from the King of Liars!
    Any Computer Election machine that uses Scytl is Compromised!
    He proved that in 2018.
    Go watch Lindell’s Documentary and you’ll see what I’m talking about!
    Btw, in the Documentary – Russell proves that the Computer Systems in 2020 were connected to the Internet.
    Stop Lying – it’s Not a Mitzvah!

    #1986182
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @Health Ramsland’s claims in 2018 didn’t involve Scytl. I think you need to do some chazarah on what you’re saying.

    #1986218
    Health
    Participant

    Yesr -“Ramsland’s claims in 2018 didn’t involve Scytl”

    Who cares?
    Maybe you should learn how to tell some Truth?!?

    From previous:
    “Russell proves that the Computer Systems in 2020 were connected to the Internet.”

    So Mr. King of Manipulation, both in 2018 & 2020 Computer Election Systems are Online.
    So who cares how they Manipulated the Votes?!?
    All these Computer Election Systems are able to be Hacked.
    Once they proved that it actually occurred, it’s up to each individual County to prove that their System is within the Law!
    It’s Not -“Nothing to see here – Conspiracy Theory”!
    That’s exactly why the DemonCrats are Desperately Trying to Change US Law – to make it much harder to prove that Our Election Systems are Not Fair & Free!

    #1986319
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @Health “Who cares?” You do, obviously. Else you wouldn’t be getting so worked up over it. There is zero evidence that your provided that indicates voting fraud in the 2020 elections. Zero. Zip. Nada. Nothing. Calling me a liar and getting all worked up over it isn’t going to change the facts on the ground that you are clearly reluctant to admit to yourself. It looks as if you’ve made Donald Trump so much a part of your identity that you take it extremely personally when his narrative is challenged even in the slightest way (such as “Is there any evidence to those claims other than his word?”). Please focus your emunah and mental energies into something that would actually be beneficial, like Torah and Avodah.

    #1986401
    Health
    Participant

    Yesr -“There is zero evidence that your provided that indicates voting fraud in the 2020 elections. Zero. Zip. Nada. Nothing. Calling me a liar and getting all worked up over it isn’t going to change the facts on the ground that you are clearly reluctant to admit to yourself. ”

    So Mr. King of Liars, since you say so – it must be True!
    The evidence is that Computer Election Systems are Comprised.
    That’s what Russell says in Lindell’s Documentary.
    He says he saw Tons of Hacking in the 2020 election.

    So now come back and say -“Russell is a Liar”.
    No, he isn’t. He proved that with the DHS in 2018.
    Nothing has changed, the US does Not have Fair & Free Elections.
    The only thing that has changed is that the Criminals have taken over the US Federal government, which they aren’t entitled to!
    You just can’t take over without being Elected with our Constitutional Rules!
    We have surpassed China & Russia, and we are getting close to Surpassing Iran!

    #1986461
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @Health I am repeating myself over here. I don’t believe Mr. Ramsland because when he was talking in the video, in about three sentences he made a bunch of statements that can easily be disproven. Such as calling Clarity Election Night a company, or saying that they had taken Scytl servers from Germany. So I don’t believe Ramsland and neither should you.

    #1986468

    Audit results incoming soon. And to anybody who chalks up those who doubt the election as secure-as”conspiracy theorists”-just bear in mind the amount of “conspiracy theories” put forth by those on right-that have later proven to be true.

    #1986509
    Health
    Participant

    Yesr -“So I don’t believe Ramsland and neither should you.”

    Another Manipulation from the King of Manipulators!
    The fact that he made some mistakes has nothing to do with if there’s Fraud in the 2020 election!
    The reason I believe him is because he showed a pattern of Fraud.

    For the third time:
    From News max:
    “A forensic audit of the presidential vote tally by Dominion Voting Systems software used in Antrim County, Michigan, claims to have shown a more than 68% error rate, with auditors claiming the system intentionally creates the errors so the machine can have them “adjudicated” – allowing individuals to change the result.”
    “The audit was conducted by Allied Security Operations Group, a group backed by the Trump campaign, and does not confirm that Dominion engaged in any wrongdoing or acted improperly. The Trump auditors claim the error rate is unusual considering the Federal Election Commission allows a maximum error rate of just 0.0008 percent for computerized voting systems.
    Allied Security claimed “The system intentionally generates an enormously high number of ballot errors. The electronic ballots are then transferred for adjudication. The intentional errors lead to bulk adjudication of ballots with no oversight, no transparency, and no audit trail.”

    So he proved Fraud in 2018 & he saw the same Fraud in 2020.
    That’s why the DemonCrats have erased & censured this Documentary from M. Lindell.
    So if you had a Drop of Honesty, you’d know that I’m right!
    But I figure that you’re such a FarBrent Chossid of Liberalism, that you’ll Never admit the truth!
    It’s people like you that have made us Worse than China and Russia.
    Because over there the world knows the Score.
    But the Libs are Manipulating e/o to pretend that we are Free & live by the Constitution!

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