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  • #1977409
    n0mesorah
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    Dear Health,

    You are getting me nervous. You know way to much about liberals and democrats. I am not looking to prosecute anyone. And who are you referring to as successful?!?

    I always thought that gun control means preventing the sale of illegal guns. Such as inner city guns as opposed to rural guns.

    I usually do not look at these stuff. But for you I’ll watch the documentary when I have better internet and two hours.

    please don’t 

    #1977459

    N0mesorah “The theft of the election was a direct output of terrible partisanship. There are normal ways of having a political base.” That sounds to me like, at least for the sake of argument, you are agreeing the election was stolen, is that correct?

    #1977536
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Yes!

    #1977585
    Health
    Participant

    Yesr -“If there are hard and convincing pieces of evidence in the video, then by all means say them”

    That’s why I say to watch the video. A picture is worth a thousand words. The only reason that you refuse to watch it, is because you want to live in your Demoncrat Lies!

    #1977623
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Health,

    The Republicans do not want Lindel either. He was just thrown out of the Republican governor’s conference. And both States in this discussion are majority Republican. With Republican governors. Kemp and Ducey.

    #1977632

    N0mesorah So why in a later post do you say “I do not think anyone broke the law on the elections. At least not in any meaningful way. Maybe just the spirit of the law. Or the public trust.”
    You also say “And now one case went in front of a grand jury to indict him. Could it be we term radicals and extremists differently?”-what does this have to do with the election?
    You seem to think that by “keeping to the agenda”-which by the way we can and are doing regardless of the election-it will keep “all the power in the checks and balances of the Constitution”, and will therefore keep radicals from destroying the system. I have no idea how you think A will lead to B and how B will lead to C.

    #1977656
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    I think that Trump is history. If he makes it back to Washington it will be with a new way and a new agenda.

    From what I know, no individual has been named in stealing the election. So who are the radicals that you keep talking about?

    I am saying that going back and finding out as much as possible is of no help to anyone.

    There is still too much noise about the election and Trump in Congress, to say that it is back to normal.

    #1977654
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @Health The only reason (and I emphasis only) that I’m not watching Lindell’s video is because it’s two hours long and I simply don’t have the time. Why don’t you find the most damning ten minutes and tell me what they are? I’ll watch that. Alternatively, you can go on to yenner website, search “Lindell debunk” and watch the first two hours worth of videos that come up and then read “The Dispatch”‘s article on Lindell’s documentary.

    If literally every individual and every piece of media that states “Biden won the election” is a “liberal democrat lie” as you claim, you’re going to have to make a very very good case as to why most of the world is a liar, but the small handful of individuals like Mike Lindell are somehow telling the truth.

    #1977700
    Health
    Participant

    NoMesorah -“The Republicans do not want Lindel either. He was just thrown out of the Republican governor’s conference”

    Just because he was thrown out, doesn’t mean he wasn’t telling the Truth!
    Why wouldn’t he be thrown out – He’s not a Governor?

    #1977710
    Health
    Participant

    Yesr -“Why don’t you find the most damning ten minutes and tell me what they are? ”

    Because you won’t get the direct testimony.
    Why does anybody have to appear in court – let them just write Affidavits?!?

    “is a “liberal democrat lie” as you claim, you’re going to have to make a very very good case as to why most of the world is a liar, but the small handful of individuals like Mike Lindell are somehow telling the truth.”

    Obviously you never learnt History.
    How did Russia become Communist?
    How did Germany become Nazis?
    It started with a few guys with a new way to lead.
    They all said our way will solve all the Country’s problems.

    That’s what the DemonCrats are saying nowadays!
    Especially the extreme Liberals, like Sanders, the Squad.
    Look how e/o jumped on the Bandwagon of – You gotta be Woke!
    Even if there are problems with race, that isn’t the main problem in a Society.

    You can’t have any society, unless there is Law & Order.
    But since Biden stepped in, especially in the Inner Cities, Crimes have skyrocketed!
    But you won’t hear that from the Fake Media, because that will make the DemonCrat Leadership look Bad!

    #1977797

    n0mesorah “The Republicans do not want Lindel either. He was just thrown out of the Republican governor’s conference.”-yea thats because those R govs didnt want to be called out for their inaction.
    -“From what I know, no individual has been named in stealing the election. So who are the radicals that you keep talking about?”-thats ridiculous, I don’t have to know the names of those involved.
    -“I think that Trump is history. If he makes it back to Washington it will be with a new way and a new agenda.”-don’t see how thats relevant to our conversation.

    #1977827
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Health,

    Is there any evidence that the Democrats were involved. Maybe it was the Republicans. Why do you keep saying It is a Democrat lie?

    #1977836
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Torahvaluesoverparty,

    My whole point is about moving on. Since it has been half a year and we can not even think of specific names, we might as well focus on the here and now. Which is giving clear responses to what the republican idea of government is. Whatever happens in the future, will not depend on reliving the 2020 elections. It is the wrong way forward. And it will lose more elections.

    #1977838

    seemingly reputable sources now discuss another matter: Facebook donated money to multiple counties for various ways to encourage voting – vehicles, vote verification, etc. the end result is possible incerase in D votes. Not verified.

    #1977866

    n0mesorah-being that we’re are agreeing(at least for the sake of argument) that the election was stolen, it is completely irresponsible for the Republican Party not to investigate how the election was stolen, and how to prevent it in the future.

    #1977875
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Well, I think responsibility dictates the reverse. But we do not need to disagree over it, the Republicans can do both. Right now, they are focused on ‘none of the above’.

    #1977884
    Health
    Participant

    NoMesorah -“Is there any evidence that the Democrats were involved. Maybe it was the Republicans. Why do you keep saying It is a Democrat lie?”
    Logic!
    Very few Republicans are against Trump.
    Compare that to the Demoncrats. 2 Impeachments & so on!

    #1977889
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Health,

    Yeah, logic. But who really knows?

    #1978030
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @Health Welp, if the best thing Lindell has to offer in an entire two hours of video is something like the Jessy Jacob thing, I don’t have to watch it to know that it’s laughably inadequate in its attempts to prove that the election was stolen. The debunking article in “The Dispatch” takes all of about five minutes to read. It says that Lindell’s claims are almost all without any evidence. He alleges things like 296,589 ballots “demanding investigation” but doesn’t say where that number comes from. He claims that in Maricopa County in particular a lot of the ballot dates were from people who registered after the deadline, but didn’t realize that the registration deadlline had been extended.

    You can keep bringing up claims and if they can be as easily debunked as these, I think it’s safe to say that there’s zero evidence that the election was stolen from Trump.

    #1978167
    Health
    Participant

    Yesr -” the best thing Lindell has to offer in an entire two hours of video is something like the Jessy Jacob thing,”

    Stop with your Lies!
    That’s all you Libs know how to do!
    I’ll tell what Lindel’s Documentary is about – I didn’t watch all of it, but what I saw was 3 experts saying that the Computer Systems switched the Votes for Trump to Biden!

    You Libs are living in your Fantasy World.
    You’re enjoying your life here in the US of A, but it might Not last.
    First the Woke people went after the cops, Now it’s the Jews. (LA, NYC & now Vegas.)
    This will be the New Normal in the US of A.
    I know the Politicians are Decrying the Antisemitism.
    But the Hypocrisy of the Left is Sickening!
    Every time a Right wing looney did something – they Blamed Trump.
    First of all, there are plenty of Antisemities in Congress, eg. Sanders, the Squad.
    But with the logic of always blaming Trump, the Whole Nation should Blame Biden for all the Antisemitism!

    #1978200
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @Health The videos and articles I referenced address the computer systems and the experts on the Lindell video. Why don’t you read and watch those before coming to any conclusions?

    Why are you so insistent on calling everyone who doesn’t agree with you “liberal liar”? Last I checked, the only liars are those who claim something happened, but it didn’t. People like Donald Trump and Mike Lindell who claim that the election was stolen, but are in actuality simply lying.

    #1978250
    Health
    Participant

    Yesr -“The videos and articles I referenced address the computer systems and the experts on the Lindell video.
    Why don’t you read and watch those before coming to any conclusions?”
    “The debunking article in “The Dispatch” takes all of about five minutes to read. It says that Lindell’s claims are almost all without any evidence”
    “The debunking article in “The Dispatch” takes all of about five minutes to read.”

    So why don’t you post what they say here?
    I’m open minded for the Truth.
    Are You?!?

    #1978981
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @Health I’m playing your game. You repeatedly refused to post a single shred of evidence except for Jessy Jacob and instead insisted I watch two hours worth of video. So I’m doing the same. Instead of debunking your claims, I’m insisting you read articles and watch videos debunking those claims.

    Now, if you would pick something specific that we can talk about, I would be all ears. Until then, you have reading and watching to do.

    #1979124
    Health
    Participant

    Yesr -“instead insisted I watch two hours worth of video. So I’m doing the same.”
    Wrong – you’re just Lying!
    I wrote this -““The debunking article in “The Dispatch” takes all of about five minutes to read.”
    So posting a synopsis of the Debunking is not the same watching a Video.
    So you know the Truth – Trump won the election!
    Who are you kidding – except Lib Leftists like yourself?!?

    #1979788
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @Health I’m not sitting through two hours of video and debunking it piece by piece. So I showed you where to find someone who did and does. If you want to pick ten minutes of the video to discuss, then do so. Otherwise you’re just debating by throwing garbage and declaring yourself a winner.

    #1979831
    Health
    Participant

    Yesr -“I’m not sitting through two hours of video and debunking it piece by piece.”

    You’re so Not honest!
    This is your quote -“The debunking article in “The Dispatch” takes all of about five minutes to read.”
    So why can’t you do a Synopsis on the article or quote the article itself?!?

    The only reason I could think of – is that there is no Debunking on Lindel’s Documentary!
    If there was – you’d gladly quote it Here.

    #1979861
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @Health Because I’m not sitting here for 20 minutes summarizing something that you can read in five. Look, I’ll spend a few minutes with a few points and that’s it. If you don’t like them, feel free to debunk. But I won’t accept anything from you that starts with “LIES!!!!!!” and has zero evidence to back up the claim.

    • Michael Flynn claims that the voting machines are connected to the Internet. That is false. They are by design not Internet accessible. They connect to a local server, which is isolated from the internet.Mr. Flynn brings no proof to his claim.
    • Mr. Flynn then makes a claim of 150,000 fake votes in Maricopa county. There is no record of that many fake votes and he doesn’t say where he got his numbers from. What’s likely is that he was unaware that a judge extended the voter registration deadline and many people registered after the old deadline, but before the new one. But that’s still only 30,000 voters, not 150,000.
    • Last one. The Michigan voting spikes. There was an issue where a voting reporting website had an error that showed Biden 100,000 votes more than he should have had. The error never made it into the official tally, it was just what was being updated live for the press. And it was corrected within the hour.
    #1979876
    Health
    Participant

    Ubiq -“Michael Flynn claims that the voting machines are connected to the Internet.”

    I’ll just debunk this one. The other points have nothing to do Dominion or Computer systems.
    Your statement is correct – they are Not connected to the internet.
    So does Lindel claim Fraud?
    It’s very simple, not like attacking a pipeline, which is complicated.
    Dominion or the other Computer systems, admit that the talling of votes occur out of this country. Some say Italy, Canada or Where ever. The votes are sent by wire. Any Country or entity can change
    the votes. It’s pretty simple, not like attacking a pipeline.
    Lindel says it was China. Maybe it was the DemonCrats themselves?!? Because of their Hatred on Trump!

    #1980088
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @Health The only thing I understood from your comment is this: “Michael Flynn lied and the Dominion voting machines are not connected to the Internet”.

    #1980107
    Health
    Participant

    Yesr -“The only thing I understood from your comment is this: “Michael Flynn lied and the Dominion voting machines are not connected to the Internet”.”

    That’s because you’re a Liberal and don’t want to admit that Trump won the 2020 election!
    I’ll make it simple for Simpletons!

    Even though the Computer machines aren’t attached to the Net, they connect with wires.
    It’s not so easy to hack pipelines, but some Unscrupulous guys did it anyway.
    It’s very easy to Hack Dominion & other Computer Systems.
    And that’s what some people did.
    It wouldn’t be so easy if the Computer Systems counted the votes in this country, but they Don’t!
    If you still want more info about this – Go to Lindel’s Documentary.
    He has 3 experts explaining that the Computer Systems switched Votes for Trump to Biden!

    Or you can live in your Little Dream World, like most Lib Leftists, that Biden won the 2020 election!

    #1980278
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @Health The portions of the Lindell documentary I saw say that the votes may have been switched, and the machines could have been hacked. But I didn’t see anything where someone said it actually happened. Can you point the timestamp out to me so I can watch that section of the movie?

    #1980317
    Health
    Participant

    Yesr -“Can you point the timestamp out to me so I can watch that section of the movie?”

    I just went back to the M. Lindel’s Documentary because of you.
    You obviously watched the Video on a site like Vice.
    Vice caused You Tube to remove the video from it’s site.
    You Liberals (like Vice.com) never give up, just like the “so-called” Palestinians!

    Stop lying to e/o here – you never watched the real Documentary!
    I don’t even have to go the 3 computer experts, that proved the votes were switched to Biden.
    Lindel starts the video by going to the states that could go either way.
    He lists the amount that Biden won by and then he lists the documented Illegal Votes.
    The Illegal Votes are 10 times more than the amount Biden won by!
    He actually has it in separate categories – like pre-dated, post-dated, double voting, foreigner voters, etc.

    Trump won the election and it wasn’t even close!
    You don’t even have to believe the 3 computer experts.
    IDK who orchestrated this Tremendous Fraud, but I assume the DemonCrat Leadership were part of it!

    This Conspiracy makes China & Russia look like Amateurs!
    If the Guys that went to the Capitol weren’t such Woosies, they would have abolished the Legislative Bodies and installed Trump as the Rightful Winner and proclaimed Marshal Law!
    This is the Remedy from the Constitution for an Insurection!

    #1980667
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @Health. I repeatedly said that I didn’t watch the documentary. I only browsed a few minutes here and there. And no, it wasn’t on Vice.

    I have a link to the full unedited video which I have no interest in watching all the way through. So please tell me at which point is proof brought that the pipeline was hacked. Was it at five minutes in? Seventeen? One hour and thirty two?

    And I am sticking to my original statement: Flynn said that the Dominion voting machines were connected to the internet. Not the pipeline, not the counting system, but the machines themselves. Clearly that was a lie as you yourself admitted. So why should I believe anything else Lindell has to say?

    #1980677
    Health
    Participant

    Yesr -“I have a link to the full unedited video which I have no interest in watching all the way through. Clearly that was a lie as you yourself admitted.”

    If you interested in the truth, you’d watch the whole thing. But you would rather live in the Commy DemonCrat World.
    I already posted the beginning of the documentary – Lindel proves that the Illegal Votes were 10 times more than the amount Biden won by.
    Just for you – I went back to the Documentary, but it was Lamsfeld. I was wrong when I posted that it wasn’t connected to the internet. But that wasn’t the Fraud.
    That’s why I said you must watch the whole Documentary!
    I’ll give you a synopsis – All the computer systems, that do election voting in the USA, including Dominion have the votes counted in Spain. This company does the actual talling in Germany. But there is some sort of Malware in Germany that takes all the Info from every place. For the Highest Bidder they get to change each County.
    Lindel claims it was China. They picked on the few states that it wouldn’t be obvious that Biden lost. China was very scared of Trump!

    #1980789
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    Dear @Health,

    What you are commenting on is called “goalpost movement”. It’s a debating fallacy where you change the subject. I gave three counterpoints to claims stated in Lindell’s video. You ignored two, and attempted to disprove one. Your disproving was flawed, as you eventually admitted, leaving me with three questions as of yet unanswered. Instead of responding, you change the subject to talk about whether a foreign country had the ability to change the vote count.

    I’m not discussing nor watching the entire video because the little I saw was horribly flawed and outright untrue. Saying that you’re not going to continue this discussion until every little claim is debunked is another debating fallacy called a “gish gallop”: stating hundreds of points and declaring yourself the winner until the other side can disprove each and every one of them.

    Let’s make this easy on each other. You pick two pieces of evidence that you think are the strongest indicators that Trump won the election. They can be clips from Lindell’s video, articles, or other things. We discuss those. The conversation ends when we are either both satisfied that the evidence shows one thing or another, or neither of us are satisfied with the other’s evidence. OK?

    #1980870
    Health
    Participant

    Ubiq or Yesr – whatever your name is Today.
    “You pick two pieces of evidence that you think are the strongest indicators that Trump won the election.
    The conversation ends when we are either both satisfied that the evidence shows one thing or another, or neither of us are satisfied with the other’s evidence. OK?”

    I gave you 2 already!
    1.-“The Illegal Votes are 10 times more than the amount Biden won by!
    He actually has it in separate categories – like pre-dated, post-dated, double voting, foreigner voters, etc”
    2.-“All the computer systems, that do election voting in the USA, including Dominion have the votes counted in Spain. This company does the actual talling in Germany. But there is some sort of Malware in Germany that takes all the Info from every place. For the Highest Bidder they get to change each County.”

    You can’t Debunk them.
    All you can do is Lie & say I didn’t give you any Evidence!
    That’s what they do in Commy Countries!
    First they scream that there is No evidence.
    Then they censure or erase the guy.
    Not only did they attack him calling it a Conspiracy theory about the 2020 election, but they went after his company called “My Pillow”!
    Russia and China should learn from the DemonCrats – how to get away with anything they want!

    #1980921
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @Health The only other name I’ve used on this forum is @Yserbius, but changed it when I forgot the password.

    OK, now we’re cooking with gas. Two claims, let me see:

    1. The Illegal Votes are 10 times more than the amount Biden won by!: I honestly don’t know what this means. Can you elaborate? What illegal votes? What was 10 time more? Last I checked, there were multiple recounts and audits and none of them found 10 times more fake votes for Biden than Trump.
    2. There is some sort of Malware in Germany that takes all the Info from every place. For the Highest Bidder they get to change each County. I’m assuming you’re talking about Texas Congressman Louie Ghomert’s claim that Scytl, a company involved in voting counts, had servers in Germany that changed the counts. He lied. Scytl doesn’t even have a German office

    Please can you be a little more specific in your claims. It’s very hard to have a discussion over vague sentences that can refer to any or all of a hundred different things.

    #1980961
    Health
    Participant

    Yesr -“honestly don’t know what this means. Can you elaborate? What illegal votes? What was 10 time more? Last I checked, there were multiple recounts and audits and none of them found 10 times more fake votes for Biden than Trump.”

    Look – this is the last time I’m playing your Lib Lying game!
    IDK what you really believe – maybe you’re trying to manipulate the readers on YWN?!?
    I went again to M. Lindell’s Documentary to look up the answers to your questions.
    If you go the Documentary – Lindell put up charts for the States that could go either way.
    Let’s say a state where Biden won by was 30 thousand, but if you look at all the Illegal Votes that was counted, even though they shouldn’t have, that amount equals around 10 times that amount, like 300 thousand.

    I know the Next Lib Lie from you – “Prove it”.
    I’m sure M. Lindell has proof – go ask him!

    “Scytl doesn’t even have a German office”

    I went back to the Video again because of your Lies.
    Lambsland said the main company in Barcelona, Spain called either Sytel or Cytel owns a subsidiary in Germany.
    I didn’t catch the name from the video.
    You could listen to the video until you get the Name.
    IDK the function of this company, but all the Votes go through it.
    Whether it’s the Company itself that Controls the Malware or it was planted by s/o else – the video didn’t say.
    What the Malware does is copy all the incoming info from all Counties in the US.
    Therefore anyone in charge of this Malware can send back the real vote that the person voted, or they can change it to their Liking!
    So much for a Free, Democratic Country!
    But you Lib Leftists can still Dream about how Great this Country is!

    #1981165
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @Health

    Lindell’s claims that 10 times more votes went to Biden than should have are baseless. For the states that could have gone either way (AKA swing states) Biden won by a narrow margin, not ten times more. In no vote count in a swing county did Biden receive ten times more votes than expected.

    Scytl is a public company. You can check their website, their tax filings, and their shareholder disclosures. They do not have offices nor subsidiaries in Germany. Lindell took Ghomert at his word. But since Ghomert lied, then Lindells claim doesn’t have any more truth to it. I did not see anything in the video that states a name of a subsidiary, so if you have a link to the exact time it was mentioned I am all ears.

    I think I understand the issue over here. You weren’t convinced by Lindell, you simply have emunah on Donald Trump. Emunah is not something that requires “evidence”. It’s something you believe in because it’s a mitzvah. There’s no mitzvah to believe Trump, so you need evidence. Right now, as we’ve established over and over again, there’s simply no evidence. Just lie after lie parroted by Trump and people like Mike Lindell. Why do you believe? Why do you have such a low criteria for believing Trump, yet have these massive mental barriers erected before you can even begin to doubt him?

    #1981189
    Health
    Participant

    Yesr -“Lindell’s claims that 10 times more votes went to Biden than should have are baseless. For the states that could have gone either way (AKA swing states) Biden won by a narrow margin, not ten times more. In no vote count in a swing county did Biden receive ten times more votes than expected.”

    No where did I post that!
    Perhaps you should go back and actually read my post?!?
    IDK – maybe you’re Illiterate?!?
    Unless you think that the Posters here will Believe any Lie you post?!?
    I’m done with you and your Lies!
    One thing I’ll tell you – your Life of Lying is Not by every DemonCrat.
    That’s why they Cancelled & Censured Lindell.
    They knew if the Truth came out about the election – there wouldn’t be a Party Anymore!
    There are still some honest DemonCrats and if they knew what the Leadership has done, they would have Revolted!
    You are probably part of the DemonCrat Leadership.

    #1981243
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @Health You have yet to post a single shred of evidence, despite my repeated attempts to get you to. You haven’t even posted a timestamp on your movie that can state something to back up a single claim you made. As far as I can tell, you are believing something “because he said so”. If that’s all you have to go on, then I can counter with “well I say no”.

    You claimed Biden had ten times more votes than he should have because of fraudulent voting. Then give me numbers. Where did you get that 300 thousand number from? What district showed 300 thousand votes out of which 290,000 were shown to be fraudulent?

    I don’t know why I bother asking. You’re either going to ignore my questions and call me a liar, or tell me to watch a two hour internet video.

    #1981460
    Health
    Participant

    Yesr -“You claimed Biden had ten times more votes than he should have because of fraudulent voting. Then give me numbers. Where did you get that 300 thousand number from? What district showed 300 thousand votes out of which 290,000 were shown to be fraudulent?”

    Mr. Lib – You don’t have to watch 2 hours of M. Lindell’s Documentary.
    All you have to do is watch the beginning of it.
    There you will see all the Swing States, which Biden won by a Little.
    Then Lindell lists, by each category, all the Illegal Votes that were counted.
    It comes out that Trump won those States by 10 times the amount that the State claims Biden won by!
    After you watch the beginning of the video, then you could go back into your Cave!

    #1981640
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @Health Mr. Lindell’s claims at the beginning of his video don’t hold any water. Here are a few of them on Maricopa County:

    36,400 illegal aliens voted. That’s a very specific number. I can’t find anything on that number. The closest thing is a Republican claim that they received an anonymous tip that 35,000 votes were added for Biden for every vote. Which should be pretty easy to prove with some simple forensic statistics, but they didn’t. They just accepted it at face value. Also it has nothing to do with illegal aliens. OK, so that’s a lie on Lindell’s part, next.

    150,000 voters registered after the deadline. I’ve discussed this in a previous comment. It’s pure nonsense. Lindell lied again. Next.

    250,000 mail in ballots requiring adjudication. Even if this were true, it’s meaningless. Adjudication is a normal part of counting votes. It just means that they need to examine the ballots to check for fraud. Counting all adjudicated ballots as fraudulent votes that went to Biden is pure dishonesty.

    I shouldn’t have to add anything to these. Lindell is clearly more dishonest than my local used car salesmen and is willing to literally invent numbers and state them as fact.

    #1981660

    Yserbius, I believe adjudicating votes is for when the intent of the voter is unclear. I think there is a limit to how many ballots can be adjudicated. In Michigan the number was way over the limit. Now I’m not exactly sure and confident with all these claims, that’s why I’m happy there are audits taking place to clear this up. The Maricopa audit should be wrapping up soon. In georgia, remember those videos that went viral shortly after the election? With ballots seemingly being pulled out after poll watchers went home, where ballots were seemingly being counted multiple times? In a recent video -where audio was recorded -ruby freeman, who was at the center of all these activities, can be seen being speaking with man, and while it’s hard to hear exactly what’s being said, it was clear exactly what the focus of conversation was. Fraudulent activity. Either way, she and her daughter(who was also there), along with a lot of electronic equipment relating to the election, have all been subpoenaed in Georgia. Additionally it looks like they will, in time have many of their ballots inspected as well. If the Maricopa audit, an audit in which dems have tried so hard to put into quotation marks ( “audit”) in an effort to completely dismiss and disregard the impending results, indeed shows significant fraud, I think the dominoes will begin to fall. Just remember, in today’s political world, that which has at one point been considered a “conspiracy theory” , can very quite possibly turn out to be true.

    #1981722
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    I think I align more with Torahvaluesoverparty. I come from Chicago so I would never even expect an election to be without fraud. I don’t assume the election was stolen, but i had seen enough fact manipulation and high government cover ups to believe that people would happily rig an election to oust trump.

    Having said that, I refuse to jump on bandwagons without understanding the facts. I looked at lots of tapes and depositions (NOT news reports) from poll workers, i know of people personally who had their ballots manipulated, i saw some questionable stuff at my own polling place and conclude that there are a lot of questions. In light of these questions, i assumed that if there was not mass fraud there would be quick transparent audits to stick it in the pro trumpers faces that they lost. All the hiding and refusal to comply has done more to make me suspicious than anything else.

    Do i think there was fraud? Of course. There is always fraud. Do i think there are people in high places who would do anything to get trump out of office? Of course. Many have said as much. Do I think the election was rigged? I didn’t. But now i don’t know anymore because honest people don’t usually work this hard to avoid proving themselves.

    I would not even be shocked anymore if they find out trump really won (probably more likely due to hundreds of individual fraudulent moves than one big coordinated one) and they just don’t bother reporting it. They don’t even have to supress things anymore, they just ignore them.

    #1981944
    Health
    Participant

    Yesr -“36,400 illegal aliens voted. 150,000 voters registered after the deadline.
    250,000 mail in ballots requiring adjudication.”

    Oh Mr. Lib, Liar, Manipulator – somehow you forgot to quote Lindell’s whole chart.
    Don’t worry – I’ll only do 2 from Maricopa County:
    I’ll give you those numbers to be in the counting of the Votes. (On top.)

    Biden won the State by only 10,000 Votes.
    Now only 2 on the chart – there are More!
    1. Completed Mail – In Votes received Day before the Mail – In Ballots sent out to them -22,903.
    2. Votes loaded before opening of polls – 50,000.
    Total of 72,903 Votes in Maricopa County.
    These Votes can’t be counted – It’s the Law!

    Now I’m a Nice Guy – I’ll give 2/3’s of the Illegal Votes to Trump, even though he got much less.
    So Biden got around 24,000.
    So if you take out 24,000 from Biden’s win of 10,000 – Trump won the State.
    Because Trump got most of the Counties in Arizona!
    We can do this with all the Swing States & Lindell actually shows them in his Documentary!
    Like I posted previously – China and Russia can learn how to Steal Elections from the USA!

    Now you know why the Left started a Riot on Jan. 6 – to delusion e/o from the Steal of the Century!
    I discussed this already in a different topic, but in case you forgot, I’ll remind you on one Proof:
    The Riot started 20 minutes before Trump ended his speech!
    But what’s 20 minutes when you Leftists can accuse s/o of Insurrection?!?
    The only ones who Committed Insurrection & Treason are the DemonCrats!

    #1981946
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @torahvaluesoverparty and @SyagLchochma The problem with doing your own research is that you’re not a researcher (unless you are? I don’t know you guys). You are unfamiliar with polling processes, how things usually work, and the vocabulary.

    Nobody, and I do mean this literally, who is honest with themselves and did a deep dive into the voting fraud claims can say that Trump may have won.

    As I illustrated in my previous comment, even a cursory examination of some of the strongest claims shows a lot of glaring holes and inconsistencies. Like for example the claim that 250,000 Arizona (not Michigan as you erroneously said) votes were switched from Trump to Biden, when that really means 250,000 adjudicated ballots and the number 250,000 appears no where outside of Mike Lindell’s videos.

    I mean, I’m sorry guys, but I’m not going to chase down every single source for every single fraud claim being made. Because I’ve chased enough of them to pure fantasy land, and if that’s any indication, the rest are unlikely to be any stronger.

    So far, the worst thing to come out of the Maricopa audit is the name of the audit team, “Cyber Ninjas”. Ugh. Did they hire a 10 year old boy to do their naming?

    #1981972
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    Yserbius- thanks. I appreciate you addressing our/posts but i do hope you realize you weren’t addressing any of our points. Although i get the impression you may be a researcher, im guessing it’s in the science arena, not elections, so your opinions/contributions are really no more, and potentially less (due to your anonymity) valuable than any random news article.

    #1981990
    Health
    Participant

    Yesr -“Like for example the claim that 250,000 Arizona (not Michigan as you erroneously said) votes were switched from Trump to Biden, when that really means 250,000 adjudicated ballots and the number 250,000 appears no where outside of Mike Lindell’s videos.”

    Another Lie, from the King of Liars.
    First you said you’re Not watching Lindel’s Documentary – now you’re saying the guy lied!

    If you go back to the Lindel’s Documentary – he never said that 250,000 ballots were switched to Biden from Trump.
    He had on Lamsfeld that said the Normal amount of ballots that go to adjudication is around 1%.
    So why did Maricopa County have 250,000 ballots which equals about 10% of the County go to adjudication?
    Lamsfeld answered this is because Scytel or Cytel have a subsidiary in Germany.
    I didn’t catch the name, Lamsfeld said it though.
    This company has all the US votes go through it.
    In this company there is a Malware that records all the info from every vote.

    So let’s say Trump won Maricopa County by 10,000 votes.
    So what the Company did was switch that 10,000 to Biden!

    I know – Conspiracy theory.
    One question – if Lindell is a Liar – Why Censure & Cancel him and his company?!?
    It sure seems like Commy Tactics!
    In Free countries, e/o can voice their opinion & you get to oppose it too.
    In Commy Countries they censure & cancel other opinions, just like they did to M. Lindell!

    #1982016
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @syag-lchochma I’m not a researcher, but I work in a place that does a ton of scientific research, so I know a thing or two. Also, one of my hobbies is arguing on the Internet, so I’ve gotten pretty good at tracking down claims and separating fact from fiction.

    To address your points specifically, you didn’t really give anything specific enough for me to comment on. You say you know people whose votes were manipulated. How? Where? How do they know?

    You say you’ve heard the dispositions and are ignoring the news around them. Well so have I. @Health focused on one by a poll worker named Jessy Jacob, so let’s reiterate my comments on that. On the surface it sounds pretty damning, she claims she witnessed voter intimidation and changing dates on the ballots. So I read the news reports and followed those to the judges ruling. She was unable to provide anything specific enough to warrant a trial, no names, no places, no times, not even a date, she just kept repeating vague claims about intimidation. When questioned about the ballot date changes, the judge realized that she was simply ignorant of the procedures and what she thought she saw was actually something else entirely!

    Look, if there’s some solid piece of evidence that that a significant number of votes were changed, I’m all ears. But the most I’ve seen from primary sources (not silly videos by pillow salesmen, nor rumors heard in shul) were people saying “Well, it’s not clear what happened, so if if if may may may possibly possibly possibly”.

    @Health Thanks for pointing out a specific time in the video. I watched the first five minutes and found the numbers you’re talking about. He lists about eight or ten counts of votes that he claims should have gone to Trump, the largest of which was the 250,000 adjudicated Arizona ballots.

    I’m glad we’re finally coming to a consensus. You admit that I am right and the three numbers from Lindell’s chart that I picked at complete random are false. I am not going to bother discussing the others, because they already are in chazaka to be as false as the ones mentioned.

    Oh, and Scytl does not have a subsidiary in Germany. If I am wrong about that, then you can prove it by stating its name and telling me a place where I can find their connection to the Spanish company Scytl.

    I think that covers both claims I agreed to discuss, shall we call it quits?

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