The Peaceful Dismantlement of the State of “Israel”

Best way would be for the Rabbanim to all work together, replace the Medinah with a restored Malchus of Beis Dovid (perhaps under a Regent), and establish a Jewish state.

To deal with the Arabs, first the Jews in Eretz Yisrael have to realize that the Arabs will never settle for at least the appearance of control. The original agreements made after World War I would have led to a large Islamic state (including all Arabic speaking area east of Suez, with an autonomous Jewish homeland – rather than a Jewish state ruling over the Palestinians. This was sabotaged by the British with the help of the French, Italian and Russian governments – the Brits were afraid they would end with a replacement for the Ottoman Empire, but much more powerful, controlling Suez and access to their empire in India. The only proposal that would win would be a large Islamic state, in which the Jews of Eretz Yisrael would be willing to avoid acting in a manner offensive to Islam (the gays would probably have to move to Europe or America, as would most other seculars) – but that the Jews of Eretz Yisrael would be focused on security and being able to be frum, and not on bossing around the Muslims. The IDF would have to avoid being so threatening to the Muslims, but remember that in the Middle East, every Tom, Dick and Harry has their own militia.

If the State of Israel were dismantled, there are two possibilities:

Either the Jews remain in the land of Israel OR they leave the land of Israel.

If the Jews remain in the land of Israel, without the Israeli Army to protect them,
they would all be killed, slaughtered, annihilated, murdered and massacred.

Some of the surviving women and children would become SLAVES to Muslims.
This has actually happened before, so what I say is historical, not merely theoretical.

If the Jews would leave the land of Israel, then approximately
8 million Jews will become homeless refugees.
Which countries will accept approximately 8 million Jewish refugees?

I cannot think of any country or any combination of countries
that would accept even half that number of Jewish refugees,
or even half-of-half that number of Jewish refugees.

If millions of Jews were massacred, the nations of the world
would interpret that as G*D abandoning the Jewish people,
which would be a very great Chillul HaShem,
which would cause even more persecution against Jews.

If millions of Jews became homeless refugees, the nations of the world
would interpret that as G*D abandoning the Jewish people,
which would be a very great Chillul HaShem,
which would cause even more persecution against Jews.

Last but not least, dismantling the State of Israel,
even “peacefully”, is the fantasy of every neo-Nazi,
radical anti-Semite and fanatical Jew-hater.

The fact that UJM agrees with millions of neo-Nazis,
radical anti-Semites and fanatical Jew-haters
SHOULD be a very big warning that he is pointed
in the WRONG direction; but just as radical anti-Semites
and fanatical Jew-haters refuse to listen to logic,
the Chareidi anti-Zionists also refuse to listen to logic.

The Chareidi anti-Zionists will eventually go to the
same place in Gehinom as the millions of neo-Nazis,
radical anti-Semites and fanatical Jew-haters.
They will be neighbors and roommates in Gehinom.

PS: The so-called “peaceful” dismantlement of the State of Israel
would soon result in the complete destruction of:
[1] Every synagogue in Eretz Yisrael.
[2] Every yeshivah in Eretz Yisrael.
[3] Every mikvah in Eretz Yisrael.
[4] Every stone in the Kotel.

Impossible.

Shame on YWN for allowing shmutz like this to be published

A Jewish state guided by Torah

UJM- I have bitachon that Hashem chose the right mode of governance that we need now for Eretz Yisroel, and we should all be thankful to Hashem that it exists, and work together to ensure that it’s the best it could possibly be- religiously, economically, and safe.

@hakatan

I cannot believe that satmar rav said to go the UN to be shomer umatsil millions of your sisters and brothers from the barbarities of the two legged monsters walking certain areas of the ME.

Which UN member nation will donate their own boys to be butchered in defense of some Jews in some faraway land ?

Can you name that nation ?

Can you also answer – honestly of course – what that nation will say when ten of their youth will have died ?

When fifty of their youth will have died ?

When five hundred of their youth will have died ?
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Can you [honestly of course] tell me what happened to thousands of innocent civilian Bosnian boys under UN protection in the 1990’s ?

What exactly did the UN do ?

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Can you [honestly of course] tell me what happened to the innocent Jewish boys under British Mandate Protection, in Hebron and all over the Holy Land , in the 1930’s ?

Thats how much you can rely on the UN ….

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You yourself would not trust even one hundred dollars of your own private savings to said protection ….

And you seriously propose to blindly deposit countless entire families to their sense of rahmanut and yashrut ????

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Last century fights between ideological organizations are currently irrelevant. Medinah is a democracy, so when majority of jews would will something, it will propagate to the government. So, hopefully more and more Jews will vote for Ehrlicher Torah true representatives, and both anti torah and haters like the op will be irrelevant.

Rav Yosef Elya Henkin was the very few Gedoley Torah from out of the Satmar orbit to have opposed voting in the Knesset elections so he was no Zionist. Unlike the troll question asked here and most of the anti-Zionist answers given here he was truly not a Zionist. But as Rav Yosef Elya Henkin wrote in the name of Rav Ozer Grodzenki, most of the anti-Zionist kanoim are no better than the Zionists themselves when it comes to the Gimmel Shavous and hsigarus b’umos. They happen to have a different vision than Herzl but they also want to control and conquer the state of Israel and install a government of their liking in the name of Judaism. What makes them different than Ben Gurion? There is also the Jabotinsky wing of Zionism, and the Kanoim wing of Zionism. Perhaps the kanoim are more aggressive, standoffish, confrontational and have been far more successful in turning people away from authentic Judaism over the past few decades. than the other wings of Zionism. But they all share the same goal. Control of Israel and installing a government of their liking while claiming to speak in the name of Judaism.

After UJM makes Aliyah he can discuss dismanteling the state.
We can start with his house.
It can become the new UNWRA headquarters.

smerel said:

“Rav Yosef Elya Henkin wrote in the name of Rav Ozer Grodzenki,
most of the anti-Zionist kanoim are no better than the Zionists themselves
when it comes to the Gimmel Shavous and hsigarus b’umos. ”

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MY RESPONSE:

Can someone please provide us with an exact source for this statement?

I thank you in advance.

The gvirim should get together and buy the state back and bring the Gedoilim to be in charge.
Poshut

I suggest that ujm make Aliyah before making suggestions of how to dismantle the Jewish Homeland granted to us by Hashem himself.
Then we can first dismantle his house and turn it into UN headquarters in the middle East.

provaxx and other Zionists:
Given that Zionism is the greatest rebellion against G-d by far, and is therefore far more anti-Jewish than anything out there, anyone who criticizes the Zionists are actually pro-G-d and pro-Judaism. It is the Zionists that are sonei Yisrael.

SQUARE_ROOT:
As a Zionist idolater who also probably doesn’t even know that the Satmar Rav wrote sefarim, let alone having ever opened any of those, it would be silly for you to attempt to assess the greatness of the Satmar Rav. The truth is that since idolatry is irrational, it is Zionists and other idolaters who are the ones self-afflicted with mental illness, R”L L”A.

You claimed that Satmar advocates “not only isolation from non-Jews, but also total isolation from all Jews who are not Satmar.”
This is, of course, false. Satmar runs a self-sufficient community, which is indeed admirable, and they very much care to avoid joining with reshaim as per the Torah and as expounded by Chazal. Many other communities also “do their own thing” though not with the success that Satmar is blessed by G-d in doing so. The “Modern Orthodox” community and Chabad are two examples. However, Satmar helps everyone, not just Satmar. If anyone G-d forbid has needed to be in a major hospital and has seen the Satmar Bikkur Cholim room, where you have Satmar women – with ten (or more) of their own children – who go and cook and prepare – and then deliver to those hospitals – food for those in need there, no matter the background of the recipients, then they know that your hateful statement is false.

>>>Can someone please provide us with an exact source for this statement?

See the end of the second volume of Kisvei Rav Yosef Elya Henkin where he discusses haskafa issues and some of his articles in Torah journals in the early 1950s where he strongly, strongly writes against the behavior and secondary haskafas of the anti-Zionist kanoim.

“Given that Zionism is the greatest rebellion against G-d by far, and is therefore far more anti-Jewish than anything out there“

“However, Satmar helps everyone, not just Satmar. If anyone G-d forbid has needed to be in a major hospital and has seen the Satmar Bikkur Cholim room, where you have Satmar women – with ten (or more) of their own children – who go and cook and prepare – and then deliver to those hospitals – food for those in need there, no matter the background of the recipients, then they know that your hateful statement is false.“

Hakatan,

Therein lies your mistake, if Netanyahu, Smotrich, or even Lapid needed services from Satmar Bikur Cholim they would give them with happiness whereas regarding a mumar we are told we don’t save him rather we try to drown them

@yaakov yosef

I loved your post.
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Trying to dismantle the State of Israel peacefully is like
grabbing an ax, and using the ax to cut a lamb’s head off,
without killing the lamb.

Just as it is NOT possible to cut a lamb’s head off,
without killing the lamb, it is also NOT possible
to dismantle the State of Israel peacefully.

This should be obvious to every person whose IQ is above 75,
but some Jews have been brainwashed by extreme anti-Jewish hate.

UJM and HaKatan have still not explained where 8 million
Jewish refugees are supposed to go to,
after they dismantle the State of Israel “peacefully”.

I cannot think of any country or any combination of countries
that would accept even half that number of Jewish refugees,
or even half-of-half-of-half that number of Jewish refugees.

Katan is using realities from one to two hundred years ago to experiment with the lives and well being of countless yiddishe families in the twentyf irst century. .

There is no country in the world who is interested in sovereignty over EY , willing to sacrifice their own youth to keep aliens safe and secure in the face of the most barbaric and violent monsters on the face of this planet.

This is as clear as day, to anyone not blinded from seeing the sun.
Unlike katan and ujm whose extreme and inflexible brainwash are blinding them from seeing what’s obvious and right in front of their own noses.
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I find it amusing (but sad) that the Zionists are so enamored by their idol that they cannot possibly consider how any political situation could work other than their Zionist idol in power there. As mentioned, the simplest political solution would be to implement what the original Balfour Declaration had intended: Christian political control of the area, with local Jewish (and liHavdil Arab//Muslim) religious affairs for themselves.

How about a not-so-peaceful dismantlement of ujm and those of his ilk, who are dangerously close to being Rodfim? Their mindless nattering provides philosophical cover and support for those would would kill all Jews in Eretz Yisrael – thereby actively endangering the lives of close to eight million Jews. Note that I do NOT call for physically attacking ujm, and he should be left alone – but he should think about what he’s saying before posting it.

@Square_Root – the Satmar Rav, R’ Yoel Teitelbaum Z”L, was a major Talmid Chacham who was helpful to and cared for any Jew who came to him for assistance. You and I may think that his Hashkafa was deeply misguided, but his Ahavas Yisrael was unquestioned – so your critique of him is misguided. His successors, on the other hand, are a different story, and some of them definitely meet the description that you’ve given – but you should be careful to get your facts right before posting.\

an Israeli Yid

(same post as before but I deleted the link to Roger Williams wikipedia page)

Completely other suggestion.

I don’t really know for sure what goal you are envisioning for the “dismantlement” of Israel, and depending on what your imagined future is, my proposal outlined might make sense or it might not. However, I am assuming the best and I so I am assuming that your vision is that many different kinds of people, including Jews, would be able to live in the land area that many people call “Greater Israel”. They would live together without ongoing fighting, under one government. The government would collect taxes and build roads, normal government things. The people living in this area would be able to pursue their religious lives fully, without persecution or fear of persecution.

If that is the scenario you are going for, then you should study how the secular American constitutional republic (many people call it a democracy but technically the US is a constitutional republic) came to be, especially Roger Williams who is an early theorist and politician who created the separation of church and state we have in the US, which has allowed Jews in the US to thrive.

Paging UJM, HaKatan, and the other anti-Zionists on this forum:
So you blame the Hebron Massacre of 1929 on Zionists. I won’t debate that because it won’t help, but can you explain why the Ottomans massacred Jews there in 1517? Or the Egyptians as well in 1834? Ditto for Safed, same years.
Political Zionism didn’t exist before 1870s (estimating generously) and the Jews of both cities weren’t exactly taking sides with the Mamluks in the former case, nor the Ottomans in the latter. Is Occam’s Razor so controversial when concluding that antisemites have always existed in and desiring Eretz Yisrael?
And by the way, UJM, your suggestion about the UN taking over gets excessively dumber as the years go by. I am certain even the Satmar Rebbe wouldn’t have said that in 2025 (his successors certainly have not said so) as the UN gets more hostile.
Plenty of genocides are occurring across the world. Based on a quick search of the UN website, the word “genocide” appears 286 times. But when you search there for certain ethnic groups suffering genocide in 2025, nothing comes up. The word “Druze” does not appear on the UN website even once (notably not in reports or transcripts of speeches). Ditto for “Maronite”. “Sufi” comes up once as a culture with no mention of genocide. Nothing about persecution of Yazidis either.
Do you blame anyone for not wanting the UN to take over the Holy Land?

Even if you want to claim that the Zioniss are to blame for Arab antisemitism the feelings wouldn’t cease and would create a very big sakana to Jews around the world. So we have to make the best of it and fight for Kedusha Eretz Yisroel as much as possible. The return of Jews to Israel has been a harbinger of the baalei teshuva movement of the 60s and til today many Israelis whose parents aren’t frum are finding their way to Torah.