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  • #2396078
    Avi K
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    Why does Malchut Bet David require dismantling Israel c”v? France is now on its fifth republic (constitution) without being dismantled. Satmar, l’havdil, has already been dismantled. There are two rebbes who are at odds with each other. For example, in 2016, one endorsed Hillary Clinton so the other endorsed Trump. They even battled over assets in a secular court.

    #2396080
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    What would be the best way to peacefully dismantle the Neturei Karta?

    Place them all in permanent cherem?

    Ban them from entering all Orthodox synagogues and Jewish organizations?

    Ban them from entering Eretz Yisrael, even temporarily as tourists?

    Expel all of them from Eretz Yisrael, permanently, forever?

    Throw all of them in Israeli prisons, with no parole, until they all die?

    Send all of them to live in Iran?

    Have the Rabbis declare all of them to be non-Jews?

    I suggest that ALL of these ideas be implemented, as soon as possible!

    #2396095
    Duvidf
    Participant

    The sad reality is that half of the Jewish nation subscribes to liberal secular democracy the other half of observant Jews on one level or another bought into Satmar ideology that wipes the Mitzvos of conquering and settling Eretz Yisroel out of the Torah. There are only a small fraction of Torah true Jews left in the world who still believe in all 613 mitzvos without exception includind the Mitzvos of conquering and settling Eretz Yisroel. Shimon and Levi today would have to belong to the small fraction who unfortunately are the most hunted today by the Israeli secular government. The Israeli GSS or Shabak has a special “Jewish department” who hunt and persecute anyone suspected of belonging to these true Jews. At one of the Otzma Yehudi rallies Rabbi Dov Lior encouraged the group not to worry about their popularity as also in Yetzias Mizrayim it says וחמושים עלו בני ישראל ממצרים only a small fraction merited to leave as the others were not worthy… By Mechiras Yosef and the Meraglim the Majority were wrong and the minority were right… Avraham Avinu was a Yachid vs many as was Moshe Rabenu, Yosef Hatzadik, Dovid Hamelech, Yirmiyah Hanavi, Yeshaya Hanavi, Mordechai Hatzadik, Matisyahu Kohen Gadol and more… At the end of the day in the Torah we find being afraid to conquer Eretz Yisroel is the sin of the Meraglim, going to conquer when it is not the time is the sin of the Maapilim. What it all depends on is if Hashem is commanding to do it now or not. The fact that we have no system of appointing legitimate Rabbis to a Sanhedrin or some sort of supreme Rabbinical court is the main churban of our times. All we have are way to many groups each claiming they and their Rabbis are the truth and all the others and their Rabbis are invalid.

    #2396340
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    HaKatan said:

    “Had the Zionists not invaded, the entire area would have remained peaceful,
    and Jews would have been able to continue to live in not only Palestine
    but also in Arab countries in even better conditions
    than they already were living, as the world “modernized.”

    __________________________________________________________________
    MY RESPONSE:

    If you are not a Navi [prophet], then you cannot know
    what would have happened. You can only guess.

    Additionally, the Middle East was not “peaceful”
    because the Ottoman Empire, which ruled the Middle East,
    was at war during World War I and other wars.

    Additionally, Jews in Muslim lands were often
    persecuted and killed, even before Zionism.

    Even when Jews in Muslim lands were not persecuted,
    they were never legally equal to Muslims.

    __________________________________________________________________
    Duvidf was correct when he said:

    “…observant Jews on one level or another bought into
    Satmar ideology that wipes the Mitzvos of conquering
    and settling Eretz Yisroel out of the Torah.”

    And that comment helps to explain why Religious Zionism
    is the true Derech HaTorah, that was received by
    Moshe Rabbeinu on Mount Sinai and taught
    to his loyal student, Yehoshua HaNavi.

    #2396346
    somejewiknow
    Participant

    @duvidf
    What issue do you have with the Satmar Rebbe’s psak in his “Maamar Yishuv Eretz Yisroel”? Why do you accuse him of ignoring mitzvos he invested so much time in teaching the halachos of?

    #2396381

    chiefsmerel > The word “Druze” does not appear on the UN website even once

    This happened before. League of Nations had a charter to protect minorities in Central European countries between WW1 and WW2. Jews in Baltics, Poland, Czechoslovakia, etc often complained, together with German, Russian and other minorities providing pressure on those governments. In 1930s, Jewish organizations decided to complain about treatment of Jews in Germany – and were told that German Jews are not registered as a minority.

    #2396385

    Avi > Why does Malchut Bet David require dismantling Israel c”v?

    Good question. By Rambam, zman moschiach will be only different in that the non-Jews will not oppress Jews. Having a state with an Army is definitely a step in the right direction.

    #2396387

    Duvidf > The fact that we have no system of appointing legitimate Rabbis to a Sanhedrin or some sort of supreme Rabbinical court is the main churban of our times.

    This is not the only one. Current Batei Dinim have a very narrow area to operate – kashrus, marriages, yeshiva curriculum, days to say tahanun … maybe that is why they are spreading out into politics. R Soloveitchik writes about that – we first lost dinei nefashos at the end of 2nd commonwealth, then karbonos … he says that he remember his grandfather R Chaim dealing with business problems brought to him, we do not have a lot of those. So, maybe start asking dinei mamonos from your beis din and they’ll have less time to make pronouncements about WZO voting.

    #2396426
    HaKatan
    Participant

    lakewhut:
    It’s not “even if”; Rabbi Dr. Soloveichik openly admitted that, and it is simple reality. As well, the reason their parents aren’t frum is Zionist shmad, and that shmad is ongoing, too. That seems to get lost in the whole excitement about the “teshuva” movement there.

    AAQ:
    Did you see any suggestion like that? Why go off-topic with nonsense? The point is that when the Zionists invaded they shattered the peace enjoyed by Jews in the Middle East (and caused the Holocaust) and lit on fire the entire region due to their Big Lie that they represent Jews when, in reality, it is only G-d, the Torah and its sages that are representative of Jews.

    yankel berel:
    The point is that, as the Brisker Rav told the Chazon Ish, it is true that gezeirah raah avida liHiBatla, but that applies only when it is recognized as such. That recognition is lacking, even after many decades and unspeakable and ongoing destruction due to Zionism.

    #2396447
    Duvidf
    Participant

    The sad reality is that half of the Jewish nation subscribes to liberal secular democracy the other half of observant Jews on one level or another bought into Satmar ideology that wipes the Mitzvos of conquering and settling Eretz Yisroel out of the Torah. There are only a small fraction of Torah true Jews left in the world who still believe in all 613 mitzvos without exception includind the Mitzvos of conquering and settling Eretz Yisroel. Shimon and Levi today would have to belong to the small fraction who unfortunately are the most hunted today by the Israeli secular government. The Israeli GSS or Shabak has a special “Jewish department” who hunt and persecute anyone suspected of belonging to these true Jews. At one of the Otzma Yehudi rallies Rabbi Dov Lior encouraged the group not to worry about their popularity as also in Yetzias Mizrayim it says וחמושים עלו בני ישראל ממצרים only a small fraction merited to leave as the others were not worthy… By Mechiras Yosef and the Meraglim the Majority were wrong and the minority were right… Avraham Avinu was a Yachid vs many as was Moshe Rabenu, Yosef Hatzadik, Dovid Hamelech, Yirmiyah Hanavi, Yeshaya Hanavi, Mordechai Hatzadik, Matisyahu Kohen Gadol and more… At the end of the day in the Torah we find being afraid to conquer Eretz Yisroel is the sin of the Meraglim, going to conquer when it is not the time is the sin of the Maapilim. What it all depends on is if Hashem is commanding to do it now or not. The fact that we have no system of appointing legitimate Rabbis to a Sanhedrin or some sort of supreme Rabbinical court is the main churban of our times. All we have are way to many groups each claiming they and their Rabbis are the truth and all the others and their Rabbis are invalid.

    #2396496
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    UBIQUITIN said this on 2025 May 1:

    HaKatan:

    Your anti-Zionism is always funny,
    but this one might be my favorite:

    “Zionism is an extremely strong force of assimilation.”

    This is the exact opposite of the truth

    Zionism, as evil as you think it is,
    is the strongest antidote to assimilation.

    Intermarriage without Zionism, eg in America, is over 50% .
    In Israel it is negligible.

    In Israel, as you may know, all can read and write Hebrew,
    making it much easier to come back.

    CONCLUSION:

    HaKatan wants to “dismantle” the one country in the world
    that has the lowest rate of intermarriage: ISRAEL.

    #2396735
    Evalimoshavlo
    Participant

    Best excuse for staying in the Golus and fattening your bank accounts.
    Dismantle Isreal so that you don’t feel guilty siting in Lakewood or Brooklyn or Money etc.
    No Israel. No guilt.
    Sounds like middle ages jewphobia.
    More sinister than our worst enemies!

    #2396847
    sickofidiots
    Participant

    You’re my hero. Some plain logic in a world invaded by idiocy.

    #2396990
    yankel berel
    Participant

    HaKatan is using realities from one to two hundred years ago to experiment with the lives and well being of countless yiddishe families in the twentyf irst century. .

    There is no country in the world who is interested in sovereignty over EY , willing to sacrifice their own youth to keep aliens safe and secure in the face of the most barbaric and violent monsters on the face of this planet.

    This is as clear as day, to anyone not blinded from seeing the sun.
    Unlike katan and ujm whose extreme and inflexible brainwash are blinding them from seeing what’s obvious and right in front of their own noses.
    .
    .

    #2396991
    yankel berel
    Participant

    @Hakatan

    @ujm

    Katan and ujm cannot stop their rambling about things WOULD have been .

    They should open their eyes to the things AS THEY ARE.
    —-

    Imagine a dr who treats his patients according how they would or should have presented …

    Time to wake up to reality, mr katan !

    Reality is there is no formula now which will safekeep your own brothers and sisters.

    Besides if you are willing to sacrifice them on the altar of your ideology …..
    ..
    .

    Which sounds eerily similar to your constant accusations against your own opponents – those despicable zionists ….

    Maybe you will find yourself in good company after all ….

    Don’t they say ‘opposites attract’ ??

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    ..
    .

    #2397081
    HaKatan
    Participant

    Duvidf:
    The sad reality is that the Zionists have fooled many into denying that conquering the land is forbidden while in galus. Nobody, including Satmar, ever took that out of the Torah CH”V, and you are slandering them by stating that. As well, even Satmar do live in E”Y.

    SQUARE_ROOT:
    The fact is that this quote is of course accurate: “Zionism is an extremely strong force of assimilation.” The entire purpose of Zionism is to change Jews and Judaism from a Torah-based people of faith into an idolatrous and godless land-based gentile nation. As well, comparing the percentage of Jews vs gentiles in each country, the intermarriage rate of Torah-observant Jews in America is basically non-existent despite Jews being only a very, very small minority, while there are multiple organizations only in the Zionist paradise that rescue Jewish girls from being “married” to Arabs in their hell-hole Arab villages and the secular Jews still go to Sweden or elsewhere to find gentile “wives”.

    Regarding “coming back”, only in Israel does the government poison their citizens to hate Judaism, while elsewhere the non-observant Jews are largely simply ignorant and certainly do come back when exposed to the beauty of Torah.

    Evalimoshavlo:
    G-d has commanded us to be loyal to the nations and not to take any part of the holy land prior to Mashiach’s arrival. G-d has also commanded us to keep His Torah. The Zionists deny all of that and convince Jews (especially those under their control) to deny all of that as well. That is indeed our worst enemy.

    #2397301
    Duvidf
    Participant

    Hakatan, Zionism denies and defies the Torah Satmar changed the Torah, one is kefira the other apikarsus. Your belief in the new “commandment to be loyal to the nations” and the cancelling of the authentic commandments to conquer and settle the Holy Land are what sets you and Satmar (and anyone with that false belief) apart from genuine Judaism and the Torah that was given at Har Sinai.

    #2397315
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    “Regarding “coming back”, only in Israel does the government poison their citizens to hate Judaism, while elsewhere the non-observant Jews are largely simply ignorant and certainly do come back when exposed to the beauty of Torah.“

    Your premise that this is their goal might be true however this statement for sure isnt true

    Just look at the Israelis that do come back even those with Zionistic lineage

    #2397505
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    Always AQ, the Rambam actually does not Pasken like Shmuel. This is obvious in his Psak of not wearing armor on Shabbos as well as how he says that the Neviim are not describing Olam Habaa, so he holds like Rebbi Chanina and not Shmuel.

    He merely borrowe Shmuel’s words to express that nature won’t change. But as you likely know, he believed that Nevua may 3ven return before Moshiach arrives.

    #2397552
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    If anti-Zionist Chareidim continue to call for
    the “peaceful” dismantlement of Israel,
    then one day, a majority of Israeli Jews will call for
    the “peaceful” dismantlement of the anti-Zionist Chareidim.

    BECAUSE IT WORKS BOTH WAYS!!!

    #2397553
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    Hearing his criticisms of Zionism, someone once told him
    [Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz],
    “I too hate the Zionists. They should be cursed.”

    Chas v’chalilah (Heaven forbid)!”
    Reb Shraga Feivel [Mendlowitz] interjected.

    “To the contrary: They should be blessed, along with
    all those who are building up our Holy Land.
    I only pray that they observe mitzvos.

    But chalilah to curse or hate them.
    They are tinokos shenish’bu
    (people who never received a Jewish education and so were led astray).”

    SOURCE: Reb Shraga Feivel: the life and times of Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz,
    the architect of Torah in America

    (chapter 16, page 228) by Yonoson Rosenblum for Artscroll / Mesorah,
    year 2001 CE, based on Aharon Sorasky’s Shelucha DeRachmana,
    ISBNs: 157819797X, 9781578197972, 1578197961, 9781578197965
    __________________________________________
    PERSONAL COMMENT:

    Please, DO NOT LISTEN to Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz,
    just because he was the founder of Torah U’Mesorah.

    Please, DO NOT LISTEN to Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz,
    just because he was principal of Yeshiva Torah Vodaas,
    and taught there for 25 years.

    Please, DO NOT LISTEN to Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz,
    just because he was known as
    “the premier architect of Torah in American history.”
    __________________________________________
    PS: If you doubt that my quote is accurate,
    then I invite you to find a copy of the book that I mentioned,
    and turn to the chapter number and page number that I mentioned.
    You will then see with your own eyes that my quote is 100% accurate.

    #2397554
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    “And he [Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz] expressed
    amazement that anyone who considered himself a good Jew
    could possibly go seven days without thinking of
    some way in which he could improve the lot of
    settlers in Eretz Yisrael or otherwise improve the Land.”

    SOURCE: Reb Shraga Feivel: the life and times of Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz,
    the architect of Torah in America
    (chapter 25, page 322) by Yonoson Rosenblum
    for Artscroll / Mesorah, year 2001 CE, based on Aharon Sorasky’s Shelucha DeRachmana,
    ISBNs: 157819797X, 9781578197972, 1578197961, 9781578197965

    __________________________________________
    PERSONAL COMMENT:

    If you read the quote shown above carefully,
    you will understand that Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz
    (known as: “the premier architect of Torah in American history”)
    wanted ALL JEWS to help the settlers in Eretz Yisrael,
    even though most of those settlers were Secular ZIONISTS!!!

    __________________________________________
    PERSONAL COMMENT:

    PLEASE DO NOT LISTEN to Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz,
    just because he was the founder of Torah U’Mesorah.

    PLEASE DO NOT LISTEN To Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz,
    just because he was principal of Yeshiva Torah Vodaas,
    and taught there for 25 years.

    PLEASE DO NOT LISTEN to Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz,
    just because he was known as
    “the premier architect of Torah in American history.”

    __________________________________________
    PS: If you doubt that my quote is accurate,
    then I invite you to find a copy of the book that I mentioned,
    and turn to the chapter number and page number that I mentioned.
    You will then see with your own eyes that my quote is 100% accurate.

    #2397688

    Haleivi, thanks for clarification on Ranmab. Anyway, he says there:
    All these and similar matters, however, man will not know how they will occur until they come to pass … A person should not involve himself with the homiletical statements or protract on the Midrashim speaking of these or similar matters, nor is one to consider them fundamental; for they do not lead to either fear or love [of G‑d]

    #2397711
    ujm
    Participant

    We should all sing together the song that HaGaon HaRav Sholom Ber Sorotzkin shlit”a sang at his son’s chasuna a few weeks ago in Eretz Yisroel, together with the entire Yeshivas Ateres Shlomo and thousands of other attendees at the Chasuna:

    <b>G-d is our King,

    We are his servants

    The holy Torah is our Law

    We are loyal to it.

    We do not recognize the Heretic Zionist Regime

    Its laws do not apply to us

    We walk in the ways of the Torah

    In fire and water

    We walk in the ways of the Torah

    To Sanctify the Name of Heaven</b>

    #2397713
    yankel berel
    Participant

    Katan and ujm cannot stop their rambling about things WOULD have been .

    They should open their eyes to the things AS THEY ARE.
    —-

    Imagine a dr who treats his patients according how they would or should have presented …

    Any dr will tell you – you treat the patient according to their condition at the time of presentation.

    Time to wake up to reality.

    Reality is there is no formula now which will safekeep your own brothers and sisters.

    Besides if you are willing to sacrifice them on the altar of your ideology …..
    ..
    .

    Which sounds eerily similar to your constant accusations against your own opponents – those despicable zionists ….

    Maybe you will find yourself in good company after all ….

    Don’t they say ‘opposites attract’ ??

    .

    ..
    STILL WAITING FOR AN ANSWER ?

    #2397715
    HaKatan
    Participant

    So, in other words, the Zionists have no answers, as always, because the Zionist idol is simply indefensible.

    But one Zionist here quotes Rabbi SF Mendlowitz who held that some Zionists were “tinokosh sheNishbu”. Plenty of Zionists were factually not that. For example, the first Zionist Dear Leader gave a (blasphemous and Zionist, of course) “chumash shiur” to his fellow heretics. He quoted from Tehillim in their pathetic excuse for a parliament.

    Regardless, the greatest Torah sages who lived in E”Y including the Brisker Rav, the Chazon Ish, and many others both in E”Y and outside it, all condemned the Zionists as the wicked heretics and destroyers of G-d’s Torah and people which the Zionists obviously were and unfortunately remain so.

    The Brisker Rav noted that the “State” the Zionists have achieved is the “greatest triumph of the satan since the sin of the golden calf” – and that one was a very, very big triumph as it reverted the world to the post-Eitz HaDaas status, as it is today. He also noted that the Zionists cannot possibly improve the lot of the Jews, even if they wanted to do so (which of course is not their goal) because the Torah is our lifeblood. Anything that does not fit with the Torah cannot possibly help Jews.

    #2397974
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    “On Friday, November 29, 1947, the United Nations
    debated the issue of partitioning the British Mandate
    for Palestine into two countries, one Arab and on Jewish.

    Reb Shraga Feivel [Mendlowitz] prayed fervently for partition.

    He had no radio in his house, but that Friday he borrowed
    one and set it to the news, leaving it on for Shabbos.

    He waited with such tense anticipation to hear the outcome
    of the U. N. [United Nations] vote that he did not come to shalosh seudos.

    When he heard the U. N.’s decision to establish a Jewish state,
    he stood up and recited the blessing HaTov VeHaMeitiv,
    [He] Who is good and Who does good.

    Without losing sight of the anti-religious nature of the leaders
    of the yishuv in Eretz Yisrael, he nevertheless saw the creation
    of a Jewish state an act of Providence and as a cause for rejoicing.

    At the very least, there would now be one country in the world
    whose gates would be open to the thousands of Holocaust survivors
    still languishing in Displaced Persons Camps in Germany and Austria.”

    SOURCE: Reb Shraga Feivel: the life and times of Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz,
    the architect of Torah in America (chapter 26, page 331)
    by Yonoson Rosenblum for Artscroll / Mesorah, year 2001 CE,
    based on Aharon Sorasky’s Shelucha DeRachmana,
    ISBNs: 157819797X, 9781578197972, 1578197961, 9781578197965

    __________________________________________

    “In [year]1948 [CE], after the Arabs attacked the newly declared
    Jewish state and soldiers were falling on the battlefield,
    several Roshei Yeshivah taunted Reb Shraga Feivel [Mendlowitz]
    for having recited the blessing [HaTov VeHaMeitiv].

    Reb Shraga Feivel turned to Rabbi Aharon Kotler,
    who agreed with him that the U. N. resolution
    [to establish a Jewish State in Eretz Yisrael in year 1948 CE]
    was indeed worthy of the blessing.”

    SOURCE: Reb Shraga Feivel: the life and times of Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz,
    the architect of Torah in America
    (chapter 26, page 331, footnote 3,
    heard from Rabbi Nesanel Quinn) by Yonoson Rosenblum for Artscroll / Mesorah,
    year 2001 CE, based on Aharon Sorasky’s Shelucha DeRachmana,
    ISBNs: 157819797X, 9781578197972, 1578197961, 9781578197965

    __________________________________________
    PERSONAL COMMENT:

    PLEASE DO NOT LISTEN to Rabbi Aharon Kotler,
    just because he founded Beth Medrash Govoha in Lakewood.

    PLEASE DO NOT LISTEN to Rabbi Aharon Kotler,
    just because he worked day and night to save Jews from The Holocaust.

    PLEASE DO NOT LISTEN to Rabbi Aharon Kotler,
    just because he wrote Shu”t Mishnas R’ Aharon (responsa).

    PLEASE DO NOT LISTEN to Rabbi Aharon Kotler,
    just because he wrote the Mishnas Rabbi Aharon commentary on the Talmud.

    PLEASE DO NOT LISTEN to Rabbi Aharon Kotler,
    just because produced many highly distinguished talmidim,
    including: Rabbi Shlomo Brevda, Rabbi Moshe Heinemann,
    Rabbi Moshe Hillel Hirsch, Rabbi Shmuel Kamenetsky,
    Rabbi Shlomo Miller, Rabbi Yechiel Perr,
    Rabbi Gedalia Schorr, Rabbi Elya Svei and many others.

    __________________________________________
    PS: If you doubt that my quotes are accurate,
    then I invite you to find a copy of the book that I mentioned,
    and turn to the chapter number and page number that I mentioned.
    You will then see with your own eyes that my quotes are 100% accurate.

    #2398238
    yankel berel
    Participant

    Nu.

    Where is katan ?

    Opposites attract.

    Both, katan and his Zionists, are ignoring the present state of their brothers and sisters , because their blind adherence to their ideology.

    Waiting for a TO THE POINT answer ….
    .

    #2398247
    smerel
    Participant

    >>>The Brisker Rav noted that the “State” the Zionists have achieved is the “greatest triumph of the satan since the sin of the golden calf” –

    This is SHEKER GAMUR and a tremendous disgrace to the Brisker Rav and Torah true Judaism.

    Firstly whatever your view on Zionism is there is no way anyone can argue that they are worse than Yeruvem ben Nevat who made actual real egels and forced the majorty of Klal Yisroel to worship them. They aren’t worse than Menashe who burnt every single sefer torah in all of Eretz Yisroel (according to most opinions) and turned the Beis Hamakdush itself into a place of idol worship. They aren’t worse than the Yesvekitzia who successfully helped in the shmad of the three million people Jewish community in Russia. (The Yesvekitzia also persecuted Zionists with the same zeal as they persecuted frum people)

    Secondly the Brisker Rav was of the opinion that the anti-Zionist belief that attributes the state of Israel and all of its succusses to the Sotton borders of Kefira. It elevates the Sotton to having power of a deity R”L. It is not so different (if at all) from them non-Jewish idolatrous view that all evil in the world exists because of the Satan. The Sotton does not “triumph” R’L . He does what Hashem gives him power to do

    #2398269
    commonsaychel
    Participant

    In the very early 2000s, I spoke to 50 shadchanim,
    by telephone, and I asked all of them:

    “What are the biggest problems that harm shidduchim?”

    The top two answers were: “short boys” and “fat girls”.

    Short men cannot become taller, so I will not discuss them.

    But fat girls can become thinner, so we must do something about that.

    FAT GIRLS remain a constant problem, that cannot
    be solved by giving financial incentives to shadchanim,
    nor can this problem be solved by changing
    the ages at which singles start shidduchim.

    Instead of spending 1 or 2 years in Seminary,
    which is a huge waste of money and total waste of time,
    single girls should spend 1 or 2 years in a female-only gym,
    or long-distance running, to become thinner.

    The weight and size they lose will do more
    to help them get married than ANY Seminary.

    PS: On 2025 March 4th, I saw a teenage
    Chareidi girl who was 5 feet tall and 5 feet wide.

    In a few years, she will be attempting shidduchim.

    Why should any 15-year-old Frum girl be 5 feet tall and 5 feet wide?

    Why? Why?? WHY???

    #2398278
    doom777
    Participant

    It can even be dissolved non peacefully, as long as it gets replaced by something better

    #2398676
    aheimisherenglisher
    Participant

    @SQUARE_ROOT Your words are chaval, a disgrace to the Torah and to derech eretz. How dare you publicly defame one of the greatest gedolei Yisrael of our generation, the heiliger Satmar Rebbe zt”l, who devoted his life to preserving Torah and Yiddishkeit in the most difficult of circumstances? Your attack on him is not only an attack on Satmar, but an attack on Torah leadership itself. He is well known to have been one of the biggest Ohavei Yisroel of his generation and loved every jew regardless on their personal beliefs.

    It is disgusting to call any talmid chacham “over-rated” or “insignificant.” The Satmar Rav was a nasi for his generation, whose leadership and influence extended far beyond his own community, and whose principles on Torah and kedushah are still respected by thousands. If you fail to recognize this, it reveals your own spiritual devastation and a complete misunderstanding of what true Torah leadership is

    Mocking the Satmar community, or any frum community, as “mentally ill” or “worse than animals” is not just motzi shem ra — it is chilul Hashem on an unforgivable scale. The Satmar community, like every other community of Torah observant Jews, is built on kedushah, avodas Hashem, and yiras shamayim. To slander them in this manner is a violation of the Torah’s fundamental commandments of ve’ahavta le’reacha kamocha and lo sa’aseh rachil.

    And as for your vile comments about welfare — you’re implying that one’s parnassah or material standing reflects their spiritual worth. Is that what you truly believe? Then, according to you, the greatest talmidei chachamim who dedicated their lives to Torah and avodah should be looked down upon. How utterly misguided and dangerous that perspective is. As well as this many sattmar chassidim are involved in businesses, reflected by their trade show this month, Satmark, which is one of the biggest jesih trade shows in the world.

    As well as this over a 1/4 of frum jews are anti zioist and follow the heiliger rebbe zt”l shita

    I urge you to think this over and ask mechilah to the rabbonim you have publicly defamed

    #2398677
    aheimisherenglisher
    Participant

    @SQUARE_ROOT your comment about Reb Shraga Feivel proves my point, he says zionists are tinokos shenish’bu showing how he felt that the shita of zionists was wrong but that the community was like reform who don’t know better

    (But chalilah to curse or hate them.
    They are tinokos shenish’bu
    (people who never received a Jewish education and so were led astray).”

    SOURCE: Reb Shraga Feivel: the life and times of Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz,
    the architect of Torah in America
    (chapter 16, page 228) by Yonoson Rosenblum for Artscroll / Mesorah,
    year 2001 CE, based on Aharon Sorasky’s Shelucha DeRachmana,
    ISBNs: 157819797X, 9781578197972, 1578197961, 9781578197965)

    #2399366
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    Has anyone here actually read the message that I placed in this discussion,
    on May 12, 2025 5:03 pm? Scroll back a few comments to find that message.

    #2399367
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    Dear A Heimisher Englisher,

    I read what you said, and I have decided that I regret
    my rather strong criticisms of the Satmar Rebbe
    and Satmar Chassidim in general. I am sorry.

    But please understand this about me:

    I am sick and tired of the Neturei Karta and the radical
    anti-Zionists in this Coffee Room, who constantly
    use the writings of the Satmar Rebbe to make
    relentless attacks against Israel, unfair attacks against Israel,
    unbalanced attacks against Israel, and untrue accusations against Israel,

    They really do not know when to stop, and that is a big problem.

    If not for those relentless, unfair, unbalanced, untrue attacks,
    I never would have said those strong criticisms of the Satmar Rebbe.

    Last but not least, since you proved to me that you actually
    read my comments, I am willing to take your comments seriously.

    Sincerely,
    SQUARE_ROOT

    #2399722

    I suggest we retire this thread and post somewhere else, I do not like seeing this atrocious headline in the feed.

    #2399759
    741
    Participant

    @commonseichel I know that it’s not your original post that I’m responding to, but the fat girl theory makes no sense.

    1) why would one assume that there are more 5’ by 5’ girls than boys.
    2) why would fat girls have a harder time getting married than fat boys.

    #2399877

    741, when you’ll get to marriageable age, you’ll understand.

    #2399890
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    In a conversation with the Satmar Rav, shortly after his
    talk on the U.N. declaration, Reb Shraga Feivel [Mendlowitz]
    was subjected to the sharpest criticism for his “Zionist leanings.”

    Later he told his family, “I could have answered him
    [the Satmar Rav] Chazal for Chazal, Midrash for Midrash,
    but I did not want to incur his wrath,
    for he is a great man and a tzaddik.”

    He added with a twinkle, “And besides, he has a fiery temper”…

    SOURCE: Reb Shraga Feivel: the life and times of Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz,
    the architect of Torah in America
    (chapter 26, page 335 to 336)
    by Yonoson Rosenblum for Artscroll / Mesorah, year 2001 CE,
    based on Aharon Sorasky’s Shelucha DeRachmana,
    ISBNs: 157819797X, 9781578197972, 1578197961, 9781578197965
    __________________________________________
    PERSONAL COMMENT:

    Please DO NOT LISTEN to Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz,
    just because he was the founder of Torah U’Mesorah.

    Please DO NOT LISTEN to Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz,
    just because he was principal of Yeshiva Torah Vodaas,
    and taught there for 25 years.

    Please DO NOT LISTEN to Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz,
    just because he was known as
    “the premier architect of Torah in American history.”
    __________________________________________
    PERSONAL COMMENT:

    This quote has appeared in this Coffee Room several times,
    yet the Chareidi anti-Zionists have NEVER responded to it,
    because it REFUTES their outdated, hate-filled, false beliefs.
    __________________________________________
    PS: If you doubt that this quote is accurate,
    then I invite you to find a copy of the book that I mentioned,
    and turn to the chapter number and page number that I mentioned.
    You will then see with your own eyes that this quote is 100% accurate.

    #2399961
    yankel berel
    Participant

    NARROWMINDED HAKATAN IS INVITED TO READ AND TAKE TO HEART THIS FOLLOWING POST. [from smerel]

    ——
    The Brisker Rav noted that the “State” the Zionists have achieved is the “greatest triumph of the satan since the sin of the golden calf” – [KATAN]
    ———
    This is SHEKER GAMUR and a tremendous disgrace to the Brisker Rav and Torah true Judaism.

    Firstly whatever your view on Zionism is there is no way anyone can argue that they are worse than Yeruvem ben Nevat who made actual real egels and forced the majorty of Klal Yisroel to worship them. They aren’t worse than Menashe who burnt every single sefer torah in all of Eretz Yisroel (according to most opinions) and turned the Beis Hamakdush itself into a place of idol worship. They aren’t worse than the Yesvekitzia who successfully helped in the shmad of the three million people Jewish community in Russia. (The Yesvekitzia also persecuted Zionists with the same zeal as they persecuted frum people)

    Secondly the Brisker Rav was of the opinion that the anti-Zionist belief that attributes the state of Israel and all of its succusses to the Sotton borders of Kefira. It elevates the Sotton to having power of a deity R”L. It is not so different (if at all) from them non-Jewish idolatrous view that all evil in the world exists because of the Satan. The Sotton does not “triumph” R’L . He does what Hashem gives him power to do.

    =============

    BESIDES, AM STILL WAITING FOR KATANS ANSWER TO MY -following – POST:

    Imagine a dr who treats his patients according how they would or should have presented …

    Any dr will tell you – you treat the patient according to their condition at the time of presentation.

    Time to wake up to reality.

    Reality is there is no formula now which will safekeep your own brothers and sisters.

    Besides if you are willing to sacrifice them on the altar of your ideology …..
    ..
    .

    Which sounds eerily similar to your constant accusations against your own opponents – those despicable zionists ….

    Maybe you will find yourself in good company after all ….

    Don’t they say ‘opposites attract’ ??

    .

    #2400406
    somejewiknow
    Participant

    @square_root

    lol. you’re passion for evil is laughable and your love of spamming does a better job of undermining the heresy you are promoting than any other response one might find outside the bais medrash.

    you inane artscroll quotes have been answered by Hakatan, myself, and many others, yet you keep reposting the same content to clutter and stop any real torah conversation in CR.

    If R’ Shraga Feivel indeed had a counter psak to issue (he wasn’t a known posek), he should have published it with his sources and explanations as is obligatory in Shulchan Aruch. That would have given the “great man and a tzaddik” the Satmar Rebbe tz”l the ability to respond or retract his psak. I find it shocking that you believe R’ Shraga Feivel is of such weak belief in the Torah he learnt and taught, and so fearful of basar v’dam Tzaddikim that you think he wouldn’t actively correct what he believed a mistake in halacha, and you believe this based on an Artscroll quote from Yonasan Rosenblum!

    To be even more to the point, R’ Shraga Feivel was nifter long before the Satmar Rebbe published his long halachik treatise called “Vayoel Moshe” where he very meticulously laid out the Torah foundations that obligate every kosher Jew to reject both the heretical religion called Zionist and the Zionist state that the call “Israel”, may it be peacefully dismantled speedily in our days.

    #2400479
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    On 2025 May 4, I wrote this comment in this discussion:

    The so-called “peaceful” dismantlement of the State of Israel
    would soon result in the COMPLETE DESTRUCTION of:

    [1] Every synagogue in Eretz Yisrael.
    [2] Every yeshivah in Eretz Yisrael.
    [3] Every mikvah in Eretz Yisrael.
    [4] Every stone in the Kotel.

    The anti-Zionists have NO RESPONSE to this truth.

    On 2025 May 4, I wrote this comment in this discussion
    in which I mentioned that the “peaceful” dismantlement
    of the State of Israel would result in 8 million Jewish refugees,
    with no country willing to accept that many Jews and
    no combination of countries willing to accept that many Jews.

    The anti-Zionists have NO RESPONSE to this truth.

    The anti-Zionists want Muslims to COMPLETELY DESTROY
    every Jewish holy place in Eretz Yisrael and make
    every Jew in Eretz Yisrael into a literal homeless person.

    In addition to being a gigantic act of cruelty,
    this would also be a gigantic Chillul HaShem.

    That is their idea for the “peaceful” dismantlement of the State of Israel.

    Any person who advocates for the dismantlement of Israel,
    he is a Jew-hater and a RODAIF and a MOSAIR, and he should
    be treated like a Jew-hater and RODAIF and a MOSAIR.

    #2400530
    somejewiknow
    Participant

    @square_root
    why would any honest jew want to respond to your nonsense kefira? do you really want an the Torah answer?

    #2400539
    yankel berel
    Participant

    ujm:

    We should all sing together the song that HaGaon HaRav Sholom Ber Sorotzkin shlit”a sang at his son’s chasuna a few weeks ago in Eretz Yisroel, together with the entire Yeshivas Ateres Shlomo and thousands of other attendees at the Chasuna:

    <b>G-d is our King,

    We are his servants

    The holy Torah is our Law

    We are loyal to it.

    We do not recognize the Heretic Zionist Regime

    Its laws do not apply to us

    We walk in the ways of the Torah

    In fire and water

    We walk in the ways of the Torah

    To Sanctify the Name of Heaven
    ==================================================

    LOL.
    ujm wants us to follow rav sorotskin ….

    Is ujm USING rav sorotskin here , or
    is he so taken by his new rebbi , rav sorotskin, that he encourages all of us to follow his new da’at torah ?

    This Q is easily proven ….

    What will ujm say when rav sorotskin will suddenly advocate for voting for the knesset or voting in the WZO ….

    Think we all know the answer …..

    .

    #2400754
    somejewiknow
    Participant

    @yankel-berel

    Think we all know the answer …..

    You are correct that it is specifically the Torah that we follow and that obligates us, not any specific person if they become (chv”sh) corrupted. The answer about the false moshiach called “zionism” is the same answer that we Jews have had for rabbonim in the ties of Shatz and the Notzri, yemach shemom: We will stay loyal to the Torah and to Hashem.

    #2400839
    Yaakov Yosef A
    Participant

    This thread is still going?

    1. It’s very easy to be a Zionist or an anti-Zionist from the comfort of your home in America…

    2. ‘Secular Zionism’ (originally known as ‘Auto-Emancipation’ before Herzl ימ״ש found out that ‘Zion’ existed…) is the belief that Jews can be the ‘masters of their own destiny’ and solve their problems (especially antisemitism) by establishing their own state (anywhere, no connection to ארץ ישראל). That, according to them, would result in the Goyim accepting the independent Jewish State as an equal member of the community of nations i.e. ככל הגויים בית ישראל. That is straight כפירות ואפיקורסות גמורה לכל הדעות.

    3. There was and is a separate idea of hishtadlus to speed up the Geulah, particularly through יישוב ארץ ישראל, (which as a mitzvah in itself may or may not apply today altogether). This idea of speeding up the Geulah through hishtadlus, but not denying that only Hashem is in control, was the hashkafah of the חובבי ציון movement, which predated Herzl by two decades, and remains the hashkafah of the various forms of Religious Zionism. It is WRT this idea (not the other one) that there were חילוקי דעות among Gedolei Yisroel of that era.

    4. Fast forward 120 or so years… (I am not interested in wasting time on rehashing and debating the history, קל וחומר on klering chakiros what could have/should have/would have been if only whatever…) Millions of Yidden live here. Secular Zionism has long since gone out of style. No sane person can claim that Israel has been accepted ‘as an equal member of the community of nations’, or even is in control of its own destiny… Most (all?) of the politicians only care about political survival, not any particular ideology. Those who oppose Yiddishkeit in Israel today do so mainly in the name of Progressive/Post-Modern ideology. Religious Zionism ironically still exists, despite also being despised by the Progressives…

    5. This leaves us with a practical set of facts on the ground that have to be dealt with. There are different approaches HOW to deal with the State once it exists, הלא הם כתובים על ספר דברי הימים. I do not consider myself qualified to judge תלמיד חכם זה נאה ותלמיד חכם זה אינו נאה, so I’ll leave it at that… Since we live here, unlike you, we don’t have the luxury of contemplating theoretical scenarios that start with ‘What if?’. Even Satmar etc. agree that there is no scenario על פי דרך הטבע to shut down the State any time in the foreseeable future without massive loss of Jewish life ר״ל. I don’t think any Yid not mentally ill holds that to be an option. And if NOT על פי דרך הטבע, it might as well be ended by Moshiach… Hence, my earlier post. None of this is a סתירה to not believing in either type of Zionism, just a practical reality.

    #2400885
    yankel berel
    Participant

    Message to somejew, ujm and katan :

    —-
    There is black . There is white.

    There are infinite shades of grey.

    Some people see only the first two.

    They are missing out.

    And do not merit to see the world as it really is.

    And therefore live in olam hadimyon.

    And cannot understand , even if they would want – the majority of people who see the world as it really is.
    .
    .
    Nebach.
    .
    .

    #2400965
    yankel berel
    Participant

    @yaakov yosef

    Well said.
    .

    #2400976
    somejewiknow
    Participant

    @yankel-berel

    now your calling kefira “shades of grey”

    just repackaging the same garbage as Reform

    #2401152
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    According to Halachah, it is prohibited for a Jew to leave Eretz Yisrael,
    and there are only a few valid heterim, such as parnassah or marriage.

    If the State of Israel were “peacefully” dismantled, that would
    cause millions of Jews to leave Eretz Yisrael, which is a sin.

    If I remember correctly, David HaMelech compared
    leaving Eretz Yisrael to worshiping idols.

    Therefore, “peacefully” dismantling the State of Israel
    would cause 8 million Jews to SIN by leaving Eretz Yisrael,
    which is a SIN that is comparable to worshiping idols.

    If I remember correctly, Rashi’s commentary on Sefer Yechezkel
    teaches that Jews living outside of Eretz Yisrael is a Chillul HaShem.

    Therefore, “peacefully” dismantling the State of Israel
    would cause 8 million Jews to SIN with Chillul HaShem.
    —————————————————————–
    (Someone please find the sources for these Torahs.
    I used to know these exact sources, but I forgot them.
    I could find them again, if I wanted to, but I don’t have the time now.)

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