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Senate passes same-sex marriage bill with bipartisan support.

You have Trump, McConnell and Clarence Thomas to thank for that.
McConnell and Trump stole 2 Justice seats and appointed justices who have politicized the court. After lying in their Senate hearings about whether Roe V Wade was settled law, and whether they would adhere to Stare Decisis, they immediately overturned the ruling which was ruled a constitutional right for 50 years.

Thomas then decided to say that that we should revisit the SC ruling that allowed these types of secular marriages and other constitutional rights that are taken for granted.

Congress, therefore, decided that they had to act and pass a law to legalize marriage between 2 people of the same gender in America.

Regarding Brinton, stealing is stealing. What does non-binary have to do with it? It is only news in the right wing media where there main purpose is to get people upset and angry about things which are ridiculous. They have no other purpose than that.

lakewhut: The Federal government isn’t supposed to be involved in domestic relations, yet 25 years ago they passed a federal statute on same-sex marriage, and now the political winds are changed so they passing a (constitutionally) similar statute with the opposite impact.

That has minimal impact on our community since most of us live in states where the local legislature supports same-sex marriage, so the federal law is irrelevant. It also doesn’t impact the most important aspects of marriage law which pertain to the rights of parents, since in general, “gay” couples don’t have children.

Yechi,

You really think that it makes a hoot of a difference what his biological gender is, what he stole or for how long he denied it?

Punkt Fakert. YWN should ignore the story for those reasons alone.

I will not research who he is. I will ignore the right wing media amplifying a simple story of a ganav because of the side aspects of the story.

If you have issues with the Biden administration selecting him in January 2022 to be the deputy assistant secretary of Spent Fuel and Waste Disposition in the Office of Nuclear Energy for the Department of Energy because his gender/lifestyle should automatically disqualify him, then I have a lot of people whose immorality should automatically disqualify them from the government. (One of them is Trump who paid someone off to be quiet Vday Lachakima Bremiza.)

“As for the SS marriage issue… I guess only a real frum yid would relate to the pertinence of the issue.”

The pertinence of the SS issue is only for republicans who have no positive commandments and only have 2 negative ones (Abortion and Immoral Lifestyles.)

Maybe we should only vote for congressmen who will disallow all marriages between jews and non-jews? Because in my Torah it says that is the worst aveirah.

Jackk it’s a sad day when you’re defending LGBT and trans people for the good of your party.

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What kind of menuval wants a chareidi news site to report such stories??

[Or even post it here. Is this what you talk about in shul? Your shabbos table?]

Lakewhut,

It reminds me of the story (maybe I am not repeating it correctly but you will get the gist) of the Klausenberger Rebbe zatsal when he lived in Eretz Yisrael. A Yid came to him and was complaining about the geferleche chilul shabbos that occurs at the beach in Tel Aviv.
The Rebbe stares at him and says “A Pele. I have lived in Eretz Yisrael for many years and never realized that there was Chilul Shabbos at the beach in Tel Aviv.”

We don’t have to search out for news about these people.

“Assuming the OP is accurately reporting anecdotal headlines unrelated to Trump (which I would dispute but willing to stipulate) the real issue here is that the recent events with Trump and Kanye West/Fuentes represent an unprecedented effort by a former President seeking to regain office to legitimize /provide a platform to blatant anti-Semites for his own personal aggrandizement and solidify support from the far right-wing of his base. Dems have their own anti-Semites on the far left but nothing at this level with a Presidential contender. YWN is correct to highlight this existential threat at the level it has.“

So great, Gadolhadorah!

Don’t vote for democrats (due to the OP) and don’t vote for trump (due to your point) and if a Republican besides trump is nominated vote for him

Who is a centrist among the republicans (Haley, pence, or desantis)

Trump doesn’t read YWN. YWN is a niche media outlet, not a political tool.
Your case lacks standing.
You may now be seated.
And you retain your right to silence.

Biden, Harris, and almost all Democrats and Republicans care a lot less about these garbage issues than the posters on this thread.

If your a public persona you can’t say that you could not care less. But most people really don’t care at all. It took months of publicity for people to realize what was going on in their own towns and cities. And even today the counter-protests are negligible.

This isn’t a winnable topic. It just plays with peoples emotion in a never-ending culture battle. Don’t be fooled by it.

@jackk

“I told you before that I am not here to have private discussions.
Especially when they don’t lead to anything fruitful.”

So just ignore my posts like you do most of the time- my responses aren’t meant for you per se- they’re to point out your hypocrisy to everyone else. At this point I don’t think I can help you. I had you in mind on Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur that you should see the truth and do Teshuva. I honestly thought when you were gone for a month afterwards that you were doing Teshuva- unfortunately I was wrong.

“After 4 tries, I couldn’t even convince you on the topic about the republican view that impeaching Clinton was 100% justified but impeaching Trump twice was 100% unjustified.”

That’s a lie! When you said that impeachment is for high crimes and misdemeanors, not lying under oath and I pointed out to you that lying under oath is a misdemeanor you ignored me. You sure had me convinced that the impeachment was justified. Similarly, when you said that President Trump perjured himself and I pointed out that it was actually President Biden who admitted on camera that he threatened to pull $1 billion in loan guarantees if the Ukraine didn’t fire the prosecutor investigating the company Hunter used to work for. When you ignored that as well you sure as anything had me convinced that the impeachment was 100% unjustified.

(In fairness to you- you didn’t totally ignore it, you responded that we should learn together the whole Shavuos night or something like that. Unfortunately that wouldn’t work as I would only take on a Charusa that I want my kids to look up to.)

“In the real world it does not work. We don’t live in a utopia where everyone given an opportunity can make it. In the real world, there will always be people that need to rely on the government for assistance.”

Are you purposely leaving out what I wrote later on? If entitlements would only be given to those who for mental or physical reasons can’t sustain themselves as well as those who are temporarily down on their luck, the entitlement crisis would be a non-issue. I agree that we don’t live in a utopia where everyone can make it. That doesn’t mean that the government should take money from hard working people who can barely support themselves to pay people not to work and vote Democrat.

“Ditto for the next paragraph of yours.”

Instead of just dismissing the entire paragraph, can you please explain why the items I mentioned would still be issues?

“1) Healthcare and Insurance has nothing to do with people taking care of themselves. Pregnancy is not due to illness. Most reasons that people go to the Doctor have nothing to do with a lifestyle.”

It sure does. If people took responsibility for themselves (I’m going to reiterate again that I’m not referring to people who for mental or physical reasons can’t as well as those who are temporarily down on their luck) they should have no problem finding employment that provides health benefits for them and their families. Furthermore- the bulk of medical claims costs could be avoided if people ate healthier, exercised responsibly, drove carefully, didn’t take stupid risks, avoided illegal drugs, stayed away from violence…
Pregnancies, ear infections and ingrown toenails are part of life and expected medical claims.
Gun shot wounds and drug overdoses are medical costs that could be avoided. (I know that there are many other types of claims in between but you get the point unless you’re purposely missing it.)

“Americans deserve what every other country has and that is a healthcare system that takes care of them and doesn’t force them to choose between food and paying for insurance.”

If Americans would have the same culture as the countries you have in mind they’d be able to have the same kind of healthcare systems. (Not that I’m jealous of the health care that they have in Canada or the UK.)

“Why should we have Medical Debt or people declaring bankruptcy due to it even after they have paid their insurance premiums?”

Again, it’s the people that milk the system that ruin it for everyone. If all work able people would get jobs that provide health insurance and start living a healthier lifestyle there would be more premiums being paid and less medical claims. It would be a non-issue to pay the premiums and other medical costs for those people who legitimately can’t take care of themselves and medical debt would slowly go away.

Before the ACA came out I had a generous health insurance plan with a $250 annual deductible. I was paying about $200 per month in premiums and my employer was paying about $1,200 per month. After the ACA came out I had a less generous health insurance plan, was paying around $400 per month, my employer was paying about $1,400 per month and the deductible was $7,500 per year. I couldn’t afford the extra close to $10,000 and may have gone bankrupt if I didn’t move to a cheaper location and switch jobs. Was it fair to my family to have to move from the only home they ever knew and for me to have to switch from the only corporate job I had at the time so that I (and hard working, responsible people like me) could pay the health insurance costs of those who chose not to take care of themselves?

“2) “If people that are attracted to others of the same gender would get the psychological help that they need the toeva crisis would be a non-issue.”
I don’t think that is the Republican view. Even if it is their view, it is totally false.”

Instead of just saying that it’s totally false can you please explain why?

Dr Pepper,

This is why we can’t have a discussion and I am not going to continue. It is painful to me to have to discuss issues where we disagree on the basic facts.
Just 2 examples.

“Furthermore- the bulk of medical claims costs could be avoided if people ate healthier, exercised responsibly, drove carefully, didn’t take stupid risks, avoided illegal drugs, stayed away from violence…”.

I would like to introduce you to a few diseases that have absolutely zero to do with a person lifestyle. This is just a short list.
Cancer – in all its forms over the body
MS
Parkinson’s
Crohn’s
Alzhiemer’s
Ashma
Some forms of Diabetes
etc…etc…etc…

I would also like to introduce you to the millions of people who are the victims of auto, fire, and flood accidents.

Insurance plans and Higher Deductibles were already going up for decades before the ACA. I also pay for my family’s insurance and know that this is true. There was no guarantee from any insurance companies that the trend wasn’t going to continue. In fact , it was obvious that it was going to continue until someone reigned them in. If you want to blame the ACA , the Insurance companies love you. Similar to Oil companies making record profits this year and everyone blames Biden.

2) I need to explain why people who have SSA are not responsible for their being SSA and can never be “cured” by going for psychological help?

In the real world, there are people with SSA and no amount of psychological treatment will make them non-SSA.

The Republican states are the biggest beneficiaries of the Federal Government money put in by Blue States.

Find out how much money Ron Desantis took from the Federal Government this year due to hurricanes in Florida.
Find out how much money Mitch McConnel and Kentucky gets from the federal government compared to how much it pays in.
You will realize that the slogan that Republicans “just want people to take responsibility for their behavior” is simply a wicked slogan to allow themselves to not help other people.

@jackk

“This is why we can’t have a discussion and I am not going to continue.”

Please don’t! Responding to you takes lots of my time but I feel that the Torah needs to be represented on a Frum website. As I mentioned in my previous post I’m not responding to you per se- I’m pointing out the lies, hypocrisy and fallacy in your posts to other who may otherwise believe you. You’ll thank me when you get to the next world for all the sins your followers may have otherwise committed.

“It is painful to me to have to discuss issues where we disagree on the basic facts.”

Now think of what I have to put up with between you intentionally missing the point, lying, ignoring strong points that I make, leaving out parts of my posts to make it seem like I’m a wicked person and the list goes on and on.

“I would like to introduce you to a few diseases that have absolutely zero to do with a person lifestyle. This is just a short list.
Cancer – in all its forms over the body
MS
Parkinson’s
Crohn’s
Alzhiemer’s
Ashma
Some forms of Diabetes
etc…etc…etc…

I would also like to introduce you to the millions of people who are the victims of auto, fire, and flood accidents.”

Right- you’re mentioning the medical costs that are unavoidable but again ignoring the bulk of the medical costs which would be avoidable if people acted responsibly. When I briefly worked within the ACA I studied annual costs of the members with the highest medical claims before running them through actuarial reinsurance software. The highest claims (excuse me if I get the order wrong) were for:
1. A person doing motorcycle stunts whose bill was close to $1,000,000 (he didn’t survive)
2. A couple where the guy was trying to show off to his girlfriend and they got electrocuted when their hot air balloon went into power lines (they both survived- him in better condition than her)
3. A guy who got electrocuted and fell off his roof while installing Christmas lights (he survived).
And this is just accidents- not chronic illnesses due to horrible lifestyle choices.

The next highest claims that I came across were for kidney dialysis and were considerably less. (Heart attacks, open heart surgery and the likes didn’t meet the threshold for the analysis I was doing.)

“Insurance plans and Higher Deductibles were already going up for decades before the ACA. I also pay for my family’s insurance and know that this is true. There was no guarantee from any insurance companies that the trend wasn’t going to continue. In fact , it was obvious that it was going to continue until someone reigned them in.”

I definitely agree with you on that. As medical care got better and more expensive devices came along peoples treatments got better and more expensive and they were living longer. Also, as the ratio of makers to takers started trending to zero (the makers having less kids than the takers) there were less people to pay premiums and more people free riding so the premiums got higher. Then some makers had to become takers- it’s a vicious cycle.

“If you want to blame the ACA , the Insurance companies love you.”

It was happening long before the ACA- the ACA just made it exponentially worse. If you read enough on the inner workings of the ACA (unfortunately the information is extremely complicated and hard to find online- you need to go to the CMS website and download documents that are hundreds of pages long) you’ll see that there was no mathematical chance for the ACA to work. It seriously hurt hard working families (like my own) where our medical expenses went up about $10,000 annually for lower quality care.

And by the way- insurance companies lost hundreds of millions if not many billions of Dollars in this debacle.

“Similar to Oil companies making record profits this year and everyone blames Biden.”

As I explained before (and you ignored it) in economics there’s a supply and demand curve, as supply goes down (or up) the demand will go up (or down) and prices will go up (or down). When President Biden signed that executive order on his first day in office the US stopped being energy independent, the supply went down, the demand went up and prices went up (and the US became weaker internationally). So oil companies are able to make record profits and yes the blame is squarely on President Biden (or whichever Democrat told him to sign it).

“2) I need to explain why people who have SSA are not responsible for their being SSA and can never be “cured” by going for psychological help?

In the real world, there are people with SSA and no amount of psychological treatment will make them non-SSA.”

Again- you’re purposely missing the point and misquoting me. I don’t believe I ever wrote that they can be cured- I don’t know too much about the topic to comment on it one way or another. (If I did please point it out to me and I’ll take back what I wrote.) These people need psychological help to feel comfortable using the restroom / locker room that corresponds to the gender they were born with. (I.e. only people born with one set of “X” Chromosomes and one set of “Y” Chromosomes use the restroom / locker room that says “Male” and only people born with two sets of “X” Chromosomes use the restroom / locker room that says “Female”.) They can also use some serious psychological help learning how to keep their private lives private and not having parades and the likes to show their perversion.

If you think about it- from all the grotesque relationships the Torah mentions there’s one that the Torah calls an abomination. Those that want to destroy the Torah (i.e. the Democratic party who want everyone to forget that Hashem exists so they will worship and vote for Democrats instead of Hashem) are purposely taking something so important to the Torah and shoving it in everyone’s face.

To reiterate what I’ve said before- if these people would keep their private lives private the whole SSA issue would be a non-issue.

“The Republican states are the biggest beneficiaries of the Federal Government money put in by Blue States.”

I’m not sure if that’s true or not (I don’t know one way of the other) but I don’t know why that has anything to do with anything. Some states produce more money than other states and some states produce more milk than other states.

The point is there are way too many able bodied people in this country (enabled by the Democrats) who could be contributing to society but aren’t.

“You will realize that the slogan that Republicans “just want people to take responsibility for their behavior” is simply a wicked slogan to allow themselves to not help other people.”

Again- you’re purposely misquoting me and purposely missing the point. Like I’ve said a number of times earlier but you refuse to acknowledge- if the only people getting entitlements are those who physically or mentally can’t take responsibility for themselves, as well as those who are temporarily down on their luck- the entire entitlement crisis would be a non-issue.