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I was recently in the starbucks on the corner of Park and 34th in the city and asked for a: grande, sugar free cinnamon dolce latte with 2% milk, 3 splendas and whipped cream. And the non-jewish barista told me i cant get the whipped cream because it isn’t kosher. this was the second time i had this happen in a starbucks. Once in one near lakewood i asked for a similar drink and the woman behind the counter informed me that that flavor doesn’t have an OU. I thought it was the Hashpah of BMG that even the goyim knew halacha but how does that explain the incident in the city?
You think starbucks has become a brand name in coffee? where in Montana do you live?
Wow! Thank you everyone here for your support. I do believe it was the right thing to do. My stomach turns every time drive by that place. I have never seen anything so disgusting in all my life. Even in Manhattan there isn’t such a billboard.
I also want so echo oomis1105’s point that you cant be afraid to do something right because of fear of public opinion.
My dear friend Gawker: You bagan this topic as a machoh against me and – im not happy about it – it eneded up being a macho against you. Aren’t you happy that someone tried to do something so you sons dont have to see this sign whenever they go to Brooklyn or the City?
Well know you did say it. And anyway why would it degrade a Rebbe who promoted it
if there are actual people who suffer becuse of it? Either it is healthy or not,
and it’s not.
These relationships described in the Torah are not normal functioning
relationships, if you mean to justify it by that.
ya, and what about all the inter-family marriages that goes on today in some segments of the jewish population. someone being their own uncle and nephew at the same time cant be healthy.
I was the one who went to the “den of iniquity” to speak with it’s manager. It is impossible to go to this place without being spotted by a frum person driving by; that is just how prominent this place is on this road (Rockaway Turnpike). In order not to be spotted I went during the night, and at the door I asked for the manager to come to me, which he did. He was aware of the religous communities proximity to his “establishment” but refused to be pressured.
Anyway, I belive it was a mitzva to do what I did for the sake of Klal Yisroel.
We once had a Victoia’s Secret on Centrel Avenue and due to the efforts of Rabbi J. Telzer (hamevin yavin) we succeded in having them clean up their windows and ultimitely shut down.
My post was simply to see what others view of mesh tichels is.
That everybody here turned it into something else is by no way my fault. I wasnt planning on asking anyone what I should do about it. After some peoples comments i noted what i was concidering and was not seeking anybodys approval.
I didnt bring up anything about apikorses or the like . I was attacked in that manner. You cant blame me for defending myself.
Please know that ths was in no way as someone suggested a joke. there are mesh tichels in my house and it bothers me when i see it. why do you assume its a joke? the claim that its not right to discuss this here is unfounded as these forums provide anonymity. why should we shy away from any topic?
my hashkafos with regard to certain things that have nothing to do with anything in this topic means that i dont care about tznius? What are all of you talking about!? I happen to wear a black velvet yalmuka, but if you see someone wearing a knitted one does that mean he’s less concenrned with any halacha than you might be.
People are just too excited and ready to jump on people that they forget the actuall issue they’re discussing. THAT I COULD BEGIN A POST WITH A QUESTION INVOLVED IN BEING MORE MAKPID IN TZNIUS, AND THAT IT SHOULD RESULT IN ME SOMEHOW BEING CALLED AN APIKORES, OR BEING ACCUSED OF MAKING A JOKE IS PRETTY SHOCKING.
Dont take away my honor of being called an apikores by such a great and worthy zadik such as your self. I also wouldnt mind if you could actually back up your statements by listing even one word that fell under a category of being apikorses.
I’m figuring you wanted to write i”m an apikores at first because thats the rash unthoughtfull rection a true am haaretz would have. but i guess in the end you still couldnt help yourself and you wrote it anyway.
What i imagine your opinion is, the result of not having any real understanding of what yiddishkeit is all about. you have a fuzzy idea that is the result of a shmooz you heard here and a vort you read there. so you assume that things should somehow fit into that mess you’ve created for yourself. when you see an opinion from someone who has a clear understanding it just frightens you. your scared by it. and thus the unthoughtfull reaction “APIKORES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”.
Your incorrect, Judaism is not a dictatorship. You obvously were brought up with an extreme hashkafa that seems to go over all too well in these days.
Firstly, halacha is far from black and white, which I believe you understand. Secondly, life is so much more complicated than whether to make a brocha on fruit or meat first. Of course its of the upmost importance. But how many things that you do in the course of a day, have anything to do with halacha, or require you to ask a Rav? Ill bet its most very little.
So please dont make these grand and fluffy statements about kings, and the heralding of anything, or pipelines. Its nice on paper but it doesnt really mean anything. It’s a nice mashgiach shmooz for 9th graders.
You say in one paragraph: “the King has given us his beloved Officers to represent Him and inform us of His Will”, and continue: “you must find a Rabbi who is true to the Mesorah”. I ask you how many “officers” are there? And how many of them have a true Mesorah? I think it’s safe to say not to many.If i can quoete a YWN article: Rabbi Tendler Says Poskei Hador Not Talking Halacha, But Issuing Political Statement
And if you respond please dont just pick on my quote of Rabbi Tendler, its one mans opinion. Please just deal with the above issues i responded to your comment about.
I would love to send my kids to South Shore Yeshiva it’s a very frum yeshiva, but the kids come out with an education and go on to higher education institutions. The only trade off (which i frankly dont care about) is that they will come out dressing normally (OMG!) and will have diffrent interests than their neighbors (who would otherwise be their friends), and even their cousins, who studied in more yeshivish places.
The real problem is that anyone who’s life has brought them to a place and situation where they can open their own yeshiva, ists usually because they themselves are coming out of learning for a long time. The people who want normal yeshivas to exist are the ones who already have jobs and cant open a school.
Isn’t it sad that he has to prove that this isn’t a new concept, but rather it already existed in Europe. It’s such a phoney revisionist claim. Barely anyone in Europe learned in Yeshivas. And also even today most adults work. It’s probably a single digit percentage of American men who are in their 30’s or 40’s who are still learning. All of a sudden todays system of exclusively learning forever is really part of a mesorah of hundreds of years! Come on, this is ridiculous.
I am not looking for support from the YWN commentators to rid my parents house of mesh tichels. My point here was only to gather opinions on the tznius of a mesh tichel.
Whether I burn the tichels, similarly to how R’ Chaim Kanievsky shlit”a burned Indian haired sheitels, would be my own choice.
I dont like that people are telling me to ask Rabbonim. I do have my Rebbeim that I speak to, but Yiddishkeit isn’t run like a Dictatorship. Cant I just do what I believe is right?
Tzippi, I appreciate the pleasant tone of your response. I will be in shidduchim in a year or two.
I don’t agree with your point that wanting to hide her tichels is a superficial frumkite thing. I am not a closed minded yeshiva bucher. I know everything going on in the world, I read newspapers, surf the web, go out to restaurants with friends etc… I live in a New York community that can also be concidered out of townish, and I see all types of Jews and I never judge anybody.
What I am tying to say is that I don’t have any yeshivish shticks, I dont do things for other people or to gain apporval. However this issue is important to me as it is my own mother who I care about.
I am Azi, the poster of this forums question. I don’t understand how everybody got off topic. I asked a simple question about the tznius level of a mesh tichel.
Blue Shirt, Mdlevine and others:
You don’t know who I am or who my mother is so I don’t really understand your points. If I asked what does everybody think about Sarah Schwartz’s (fake name) mesh tichel, then maybe you would have a point.
I am very frum, I had a chavrusa everyday during Bein Hazmanim. I have a right to be concerned about the frumkeit of my family. I cant go to a stranger and tell them to do something or stop doing something because THAT would not be my business. Maybe my not throwing out my mothers mesh tichels when she is not home falls in to the category of someone who could have protested and didn’t that they are also chayiv.
Also, I do believe that my mothers level of frumkeit is my business as it can affect my shidduchim. Don’t you understand that? I want to hide her tichels from her.June 15, 2008 10:44 am at 10:44 am in reply to: Out Of The Mailbag: (Flatbush Kiddush: Tznius & Drinking Out Of Control) #1142402
So letter #1 is recommending we take a que from the Charedim in Eretz Yisroel. How about we do that and have someone at the next kiddush throw acid in the face of these girls.
Or throw bags of garbage at them like I saw a group of Charedim once do to a group of Russian Jews in their 80’s/ They survived the anti-semitism of the Communists and came to see Eretz Yisroel, and this is what they saw (or victimized with) while in Mea Shearim.
And also how classeles is that author who refers to his friends daughters as “chayos”. I think he needs to be fixed.