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February 23, 2009 11:02 pm at 11:02 pm in reply to: Chofetz Chaim: It's not just a Yeshiva. It's a way of life. #989116
They dress normally.
I too appreciate what Rabbonim do. But I don’t think its a miracle that when members of the clergy are dwelling in any particular area, that they perform their duties there. When a Rav is in a neighborhood he does his job and so the community can grow. When there is no Rav in a community there is no one there to help the community grow. Its a simple equation.
If there would be no shochet in yout city, then you would not have any kosher meat.
how do you know if God accepts incensere tefillos or not. if your point is correct then most of everything we do would be worhtless. its kind of like when everyone closes their eyes when they get an aliya. all of a sudden everyone is a huge tzadik who’s eyes role into the back of their heads when making a brocha. Mitoch shlo lishma ba lishma.
I do know what you mean, but I don’t agree with you. There are a lot of depraved women in the world too.
I didnt see Feif Un’s comment and I would like to state for the record that I was being sarcastic. I am typing this on my own laptop. (and in a library – ???? ???????? [sorry, cant type ayins])
Its a Dell XPS M1330. Its a great computer. Dell has laptops in the $800’s and you they hae the best customer service.
You should avoid laptops at all costs. with a desktop its in a public location in the house and you will have to always look over your shoulder. with a laptop you will be taking it into private places, and most people in this forum would agree that you will eventually succumb to evil things.
You must be a mekubal because you speak in riddles.
Rabbi Solovetchik was not against the teaching of biblical criticism at YU. It was tought there to college aged people without the heter Joseph referred to. (By the way I never spent a day in YU, im a Beis Medrash Gavoah alumnus).
Maybe hundreds of years ago there was a need to have a specific reason to not study outside literature. For example they lived much more sheltered lives, so it makes sense that Rabbonim would outlaw it, to keep their enclosed lifestyle. But in todays modern and open world there may not be anything wrong with it.
Or at least one of the previous generations Gedolei Hadar R’ Yosef Dov Solovetchik’s Das Torah was that it isn’t assur. You can’t argue with Das Torah.
(Joseph’s next comment: There IS something wrong with it.)
Finally someone else who understands anonymous personalities for what they are. I would thank you for your comment, but that is really something that Joseph does and it always reminds me of children slapping five after they finish bullying another child.
I happen to have a theroy about Joseph. I believe he looks at himself as a self appointed moderator of YWN. He seaarches for discussions that he doesn’t like and tries to interfere and interupt them. He may have even asked a Rav if he should do it and recieved a reply in the affirmative. Since if he never spoke to a Rav abot using a computer he is just a unbelievable hypocrite. (He may actually be a real moderator that poses as a Member to try and steer discussions in a certain way).
You probanly don’t see or recognize the constant negativity and dislike of others coming from Joseph. You have an appropriate screen name.
So not only can people not use the internet, but now they can’t even have lively dicussions! I don’t believe that personal attacks that take place here are so bad, as everybody is anonymous. I never felt insulted when everone started ganging up on me.
So the tables have turned. How did this happen to us?
“I merely possess a higher level of intellectual honesty than you do”
Also what happened to your own request that “Thusfar, this topic has retained a high level of both intellectual honesty, as well as a low level of personal/ad homenum attacks. Can we keep it that way?”
“and therefore are able to concede with grace”
So you followed this sentence with a request to Joseph asking him to explain his position. So what exactly did you conede to? How can you concede to an opinion you dont understand?
I do not have any anti-rabbonim or anti-Torah ideas. I just have different ideas then you. If your ideas and views of Das Torah are the only right ones then how would you view Jews from previous generations who did have emunas chachomim, but for different reasons then you. Or for which things they sought after a Rav’s advice and council. No body ever asked the Pnei Yehoshua what do eat for dinner.
And how would you like it if I said your ideas are apikorsis for your views about beings of flesh and blood?
Yes, but science has proven it takes six weeks.
Jews + Weapons = Bad
Arabs + Weapons = Good
Jews + Death = Good
Arabs + Death = Bad
I feel you may be suffering from Stolckhome Syndrome.
What in the world are you talking about?
Regarding your second point. Your close and personal friend Joseph seems to spend much of his waking hours on YWN. I however in addition to having a job, keep a daily four (4) hour seder with my chavrusa. So exuse me if I don’t share in your vorts on a internet blog. If I want to see a vort ill open a sefer.
Joseph, you’ve managed to do it again. You gave a response. “Kefira IS I problem yada yada yada”. There was no tachlis to that comment. You didn’t provide any reasons why you believe that. You did it simply to get under his skin. It was NOT productive in anyway.
“Implying that Rabbonim make decisions with out reviewing them at all or knowing what they are talking about is called bashing.”
I never implied any such thing. I gave a specific examples were Rabbonim themselves have admitted to not meeting to discuss the issues and expressed regret and the matter was publicized. One was a stupid example about ztedaka campaigns.
“Secondly, I am NOT the arbitrator of what is “anti-torah” – the torah is”
So now you’re not just a guy with a job, you even have Das Torah to decide what is pro or anti Torah!
You completely missed the point. I simply wrote why I feel it is K’fira what flatbush27 wrote that he puts his trust and faith in human beings. Apparently you are more interested in taking sides than being able to recognize someone standing up for Kovod Shamayim and Yiras Shamyaim.
That meaningless and purposely agitating (attempted) comment is a perfect example of what i have been saying about you all along. Nowhere have I said women don’t need to cover their hair. You know I didn’t. This is just part of your poor debating skills.
Secondly, who made some anonymous dude named YW Moderator 99 the arbitrator of what is “anti-torah”? If he would have bothered to have actually read and understood my comment he would have posted it. Again, your falling back onto something you don’t even understand as your support. Another example of your poor and immature debating skills.
Nobody read what I wrote so that doesn’t exactly make sense.
But i will say again as I have said many times in other YWN topics. I believe your modus operandi is to bother and distrurb the people who take part in this forum. I rarely ever see you providing anything positive or constructive to a conversation. You stick your nose in to bother all parties.
YW Moderator 99,
Absolutely nothing I wrote bashes Rabbonim. You can pick on my words “disturbs your own sensitivities”, but that is exactly what this is. There wasn’t a false word in what I wrote, nor was anything negative towards anyone other then the Kanoyim – who are not the Rabbonim – and know how to get what they want.
Anyway i’m not mochel you for embarrassing my anyonoumous personality.
tentwenty30 wrote: “holtzichfest … your type of thinking demonstrates exactly what is wrong with today’s Jewish society”
Ya, not jusy his type of thinking, his way of speaking as well.
(EDITOR: Stop ignoring me. I have a right to respond to people who attack me. Can you at least edit out what disturbs your own sensitivities.)
OK – I edited out the parts that “disturbs my own sensitivities”.
We do not and will not accept posts that bash Rabbonim. You have the right for your opinion, but if it anti-Torah, anti-halacha or anti-Rabbonim please don’t express it here. Please feel more then welcome to take your comments elsewhere.
I’m sorry if I am being to tough, but your post truly bothered me.
Have a good Shabbos!
–YW Moderator 99
Are you attempting to bash me or are you just making a general point? it’s hard to tell.
I’m getting tired of the hypocrisy that is constantly shown on this site. If you want to defend the rabbonim that’s fine and right. But to go so far as to say that flatbush is talking to a wall is ridiculous. THE GEDOLIM SHOULD STOP TALKING TO YOU because they are obviously talking to a wall.
At least have rabbonim to rely on who don’t find internet use so objectionable. You have noone. Because you don’t even listin to your own rabbonim.
Just because the Mir doesn’t trust their talmidim doesn’t automatically prove your point. The Mir is part of the problem. Syriansephardi is correct.
Thanks, I am actually glad to see someone who can recognize the sanity you referred to. Sometimes I feel like I’m in the Twilight Zone here. The black-and-white views that so many people on this site have, is very disturbing.
You are 100% right, I put my trust and faith in GOD. And I formally dissociate myself from your heretical comment.
The people who stand behind him and whisper in his ear tell him everyone is evel and that the internet is all eveil, so what else would he say?
Hill of Beans
I made a point in my first comment on this topic of hair covering, that the Aruchs comment no longe applies. WHAT MORE CAN I SAY? You see what you want to see.
Maybe the rabbanim are underestimating their flock.
again i make my point that not everyone is a perpetual sinner, unable to control themselves. Please let people live their lives.
learning full time doesn’t mean 24 hours a day, nor is anyone expected to learn that much. Yeshiva bochrim are human beings not robots. They need rest and relaxation just like you do. Why do you care if he reads YWN as opposed to reading The J Post? Unless you want him to learn gematrias for rest, but that isn’t realistic. Students in Harvard rest from their studies, a yehiva bachur is no different and people should stop judging them.
How exactly is being on YWN ruining his spiritual health? And assuming you imagine he visits other sites on the internet, who’s to say you don’t. What about your spiritual health? Maybe he doesn’t have a problem with visiting unsavory sites. Not everyone is a perpetual sinner, unable to control themselves. Please let people live their lives.
>>I too have pictures of frum family members showing all of their hair (once again, great job making an accusation without basis of facts).<<
I know you had relatives who didn’t cover their hair. That was my initial point. Unless ones whole family is from Hungary, they have had many relativs and great grandmothers who didn’t cover their hair.
>>By saying what you did, “He wrote that it is no longer a dover sheberva and therefore a man can make a brocha in front of uncovered hair” you ventured into a halachic conversation<<
If you followed my debate with Joseph, you would have seen that my claim wasn’t one of halacha. Rather he tried to correct me stating that women indeed covered their hair. I quoted the Novordoker Rav who wrote that in his time the uncovered hair of women was so rampant that it no longer constituted a davar hamekusa. Without that sentence I would not have been able to use him as a source for my point. It stresses the fact that it was more than just a few women, but rather whole communities.
>>Where is the ignorance. I only requested that you make it known why you were quoting the aruch in the first place, which you did not. <<
I appologize for using that term.
I have written countless times what my purpose in quoting the Aruch was.
>>but your original comment and subsequent justifications are akin to saying that we say 3 times day in davening : ??-??-????? ??? ??-?????? ?????.<<
2 + 2 = 6
>>Do you often make accusations without basis of fact<<
No, but your ignorance of the subject would lead anyone to make a similar “accusation”.
>>Additionally, you did not initially make this distinction<<
I didn’t quote the Aruch for it’s halacha, but rather for the interesting point he makes concerning the hair covering situation in his lifetime. Not everyone has time like Joseph and you to write a whole megilla. I made a simple point with a source to back me up. Thats all.
>>I’m not sure what disturbs me more the claim of being a messenger, or the claim of doing it humbly. Neither one seems fitting<<
I feel this shows that your claims have all been based on emotion. Your passion to defend your lifestyle, by claiming everyone throughout history has lived exactly as you do, has led you way of base. Again it was a point regarding history, I had a support.
I listen to:
R. Herchel Shachter
R. Matesyahu Solomon
R. Arhon Rothkoff-Rakeffet
R. Yosef Dov Solovetchik zt”l
The Chuster Rebbe
R. Nochum Lamm
R. Tzvi Meir Silberberg
You are correct in quoting me, but you haven’t seen the Aruch inside, so it’s only fair that you don’t understand what he was referring to (and ipso facto what I meant). He wrote that it is no longer a dover sheberva and therefore a man can make a brocha in front of uncovered hair. He didn’t write, nor did I claim that he wrote that women do not need to cover their hair.
Do you think I assumed that the Aruch Hashulchan was a reform rabbi, changing halacha with the times? He wrote what I said he wrote, thats a fact, if you don’t like it, go find where he’s buried and complain. I’m just his humble messenger.
Hill of Beans
You already lost the debate. Never did I write that the Aruch Hashulchan paskend that a womwn doesn’t neeed to cover her hair. What I wrote was that he confirms that during his lifetime, women did not cover her hair. So I am correct, as he confirms the fact that they didn’t. squeek, joseph and now apparently you get to exited when you see an issue like hair coveing, so you don’t even bother to read the comment in its entirety.
I have no agenda, i responded to a purposely agitating comment by Joe. I have seen his comments for a while and i beleve he goes around to disturb different forums.
More importantly I did not correct any errors. I have the truth and the facts on my side. If people want to change history for whatever reason, it’s not my problem. I will happily tell my children that Miriam spoke loshon hara about her brother, about Yehuda and Tamars relationship and that their great grandmothers, although they were zadekises, they did not cover their hair. Thats all.
All that on a Sunday night!!! And for ME!!!!!!!
But seriously, how much did the Bar Ilan CD’s cost you?
You are an agitator. It’s a cute line you came up with: “you are mistaken”. Ive seen you use it before. don’t deny history. It doesnt serve anyone any good.
The facts are that it in no way maligned anyone by saying they didnt cover their hair bacuse at the time there was no chiyuv, the reason being as the Novordoker Rav wrote that hair is no longer a davar hamekusah. (hair covering is d’rabbanan)
If you write “you are mistaken” it will be to the aruch hashulchan, not me. Let me see you write that.
Reb Amichai, take a joke, please.
5) What do you do to relax?
Wonder what it would be like to relax in front of a TV
6) How much food do you need to be satisfied?
I usually purge afterwords so doesn’t matter.
7) What are your eyebrows like?
Burnt off after a havdala candle accident
8) During the Oscar’s, you are:
wondring why MBD is continuously snubbed for best male performance
9) Are your suits:
sleeves to long, hem to short
11) How many outfits do you go through on Shabbos?
Usually change my tie about once a shemitta (still knotted from 14 years earlier)
12) How much time do you spend doing your hair before a date?
Doesn’t take that long to smooth 4 ouces of gel into my hair, so probably 10 minutes, but of course then it takes time to realize i made a huge mistake and wash it out.
14) What brand of make-up do you use?
anything that has a chassideshe hechsher (preferabbly glatt)
ok enough im tired
Here is a list:
Once againg you have proven yourself to be clueless. Frum married women in Russia, Poland and Lithuania did not cover their hair all together. It is a historicall fact you can not deny (well, you can, but anyone interested in the truth can’t). See the Aruch Hashulchan who paskens that hair in longer a dover sheberva, since woman don’t cover it anymore. Today of course it has reverted back to being a daver sheberva.
I can’t list names, but some of the most famous rabbonims wives, you learn their s’forim, did not cover their hair.
My great grandmothers were from Poland and Russia so they probably didn’t wear shaitels.
Here is my onfo if you are a shadchan:
Home: Large NY Jewish Community
Beis Medrash: What else would I do?
Shul: Orthodox (at least the rabbi is)
Siblings: Too many
Plan: Depends who’s asking
Education: Hashem Yishmor
Contacts: Don’t bother, their my friends, i’ve lied for them too
If you are a shadchan in from the following locations, don’t call me: Baltimore, Las Angles, Miami, Chicago (unless you are in the nursing home business) or anywhere else that’s outside of my four block radius.
Thank you, AziJanuary 20, 2009 10:21 pm at 10:21 pm in reply to: Daven With A Hat BeYichidus or Without it with a Minyan #1081674
In who’s opinion?
The Goldbergs have a hard time keeping up with me.