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“His host offered to eat again together the next year, not to slaughter
Well obviously not. But one would think he would not have the same set up if the previous year had led to a near tragedy.
” Also, some interpret the wording to mean that Rav Zeira
was forced to drink too much wine (as opposed to having his throat slit).”
Yeah that ties into the understanding, and was brought in the sicha.
“As for doing teshuvah, serious intoxication was involved – perhaps
things done only due to such a state do not require teshuvah”
Why? If someone kills someone by accident he still has to go to an ir miklat for the rest of his life because he was careless enough to get to that mistake. Many Torah greats from the shtetl era would go into galus over minor infractions, and the Tannaim were even greater than then so kal vchomer there should have seemingly been Serious teshuva, and here….
@@chabadshlucha. Who was the famous chabad rebetzin that would learn gemara? I think she is mentioned in the previous rebbes memoirs”
Rochel, and she eventually taught get daughter as well. Here’s is an interesting story because she came from a Chassidishe family (if you can call it that as it was pre the Baal Shem Tov) but she married a man from a misnagdishe background who disapproved of women learning. Meanwhile she was quite a scholar…
“Chabadshlucha: You could just read the Artscroll books of Gemorah stories to get what you’re doing”
No it’s completely different! Artscroll gives the mefarshim that discuss the pshat, Chassidus reveals the underlying dynamic. What can I say? Taamu uru…
@benugnuman thanks for clarifying that for us. Would’ve looked it up otherwise on my next curious learning excursion.
“Chabadshlucha: I was under the impression that Chabad girls learn Gemara but mainly through Ein Yaakov, as the Rebbe specifically suggested. Is this correct, or do girls today actually learn Gemara as boys do, focusing on its halachic discussions as well?”
Depends on the school, ideologically yes but most high schools do not have a gemara class simply because there are more important lessons to learn for girls. In sem beis I learned a mishnayos class with the gemara questions, and at first I thought it was quite fascinating, until I realized we were still debating the same shnayim ochazin btalis like half a year later and it was going nowhere as far as final halacha, and then I was like oh now I get why women never learned gemara lol.
That said I have built up a bit of an aramaic vocabulary over the years between mefarshei Rashi in chumash, Aggada / Ein Yaakov I learned on my own – took out of the library, and many gemaras quoted in the sichos.
I have learned much of the Rambam pertaining to women if not all, and looked up many references in gemara about women as well such as the tu bav sugya and others. But that’s different because it’s personal interest. But I’ll leave the nitty-gritty to the men for the most part, and leave your wearing the hats (I don’t have one to take off)
@daasyochid lubavitcher must be a woman. The men do the whole nine yards.
Lastly for now, if you have questions or want to understand the prufundity and glance at the sheer intellectual depth, complexity yet unity within Torah, and logical understandings, I would suggest you learn Chassidus, starting with the second part of Tanya, shaar hayichud vhoemuna. What’s amazing about it is that it doesn’t only make sense but it resonates within.
Another perk is that Chassidus quotes and brings together all parts of Torah – and that’s actually where I have at least half of my knowledge of gemara from. So you can get two in one 🙂 with the inner meaning with it.
Like try learning the story of rabba shechting Rav Zeira on Purim one year, reviving him the next day through davening, and then not only NOT doing teshuva for slaughtering someone, but cheerfully offering to do it again the next year. (R’ Zeira respectfully declines because miracles don’t happen every time.)
And these are our holy Tanaim! Learning the plain story can leave you riddled with questions. But it’s such a geshmake story when learned with Chassidus. And that’s how I learned this story in the gemara!
If you have any specific questions, since you can’t call me by phone, feel free to ask here and we’ll all address your questions.
This would conclude my answer to the op 🙂
But I think she confused male ego with Torah with the story of her cousin. Men tend to talk one up or one down, women talk to each other as equals.
That being said it is unfortunate that because the boys tend to Emphasise the daaton kalos part and not the bina Yesaira part, due to above mentioned male ego, there can be such a distortion in the way they view women’s intelligence as enough lies or half truths repeated tend to sink in as the new truth.
In secular culture, its unthinkable to express such notions, it should be in our Culture too, as Torah never demeaned women but just the opposite, was nizhar with our kovod. I don’t experience such attitude within my world, and I don’t see why any woman should.
Actually there are three levels of Elokus interactions with the world, mimale kol olmin, sovev kol olmin and kula kamei kla chshiv – atzmus.
Mimale- Hashem relates to the world through the limits of nature, we relate to Him through sechel
Sovev- He relates to us with miracles, above nature, yet is bound by being boundless. We relate to this revelation of Elokus with Emuna,as we can’t relate with sechel.
Atzmus however is nimna hanimnaos – Hashem can do the impossible where this is revealed. Example: in the kodesh Hakodashim, where Atzmus was revealed, the Aron took up an exact space by measurement yet didn’t take up space at all! Not sure how this would play out with a rock but He could do it.
Lastly, the reason women get offended is because women are blessed with a profound sense of understanding, bina. The Daas that were not so strong in naturally, is the drei kup stuff like 15 opinions on what the halacha could be based on the wording of the mishna. The 15 or 50 different ways don’t interest me and I will get lost in the debate on the nuances unless it makes a practical difference to me.
But to ask a deep question is our strength and we get insulted when anyone doesn’t respect our bina Yesaira.
As lc didn’t do it for me here goes :
What the op describes is exactly why the Rebbe advocated girls learning in general, above what they need to know, which if a man would know all halacha etc that a woman needs to know, he’d be a gaOn –
But aside for that the Rebbe advocated all higher education for women because of the spiritual danger involved otherwise :
In the times past, a Jewish woman imbibed all her knowledge and yiras shomayim from the home – and it was great.
But today women and girls are fully educated in the secular subject, and they can mistakenly conclude that Yiddishkeit can’t match it cvs. So we must educate them up to par.
In the past, it was dangerous to teach such things to girls, because by nature, girls go with more emuna, and less daas, so why teach them questions and then maybe they won’t get the answers and they’ll have questions on Yiddishkeit for no reason.
It could cause harm and unnecessary so why do it?
But today, we are taught to question in the science classes etc, so aderabe women must be taught everything.
Hey my last post wasn’t let through and it was a good one
I’m waiting for litvishe chossid to tell us all what I would say as to him its old news 😜
I think its important to distinguish between people and attitudes. Pirkei avos says choviv haadam shnivra btzelem, and we should work to refine then as is our halachic obligation with sheva mitzvos bnei noach.
We can despise their beliefs but I don’t think it jives with chazal above and also “lo nitna HaTorah ela laasos sholom baolam,” to secretly despise everyone while acting polite. The Arabs tried that and the secret got out.
Plus it doesn’t seem to enhance any good middos by having this attitude, quite the opposite.
“I would think that calming everyone down instead of encouraging them to do Teshuvah so that the bad part of the war won’t happen is the opposite of what Hashem wants”
Why must we be smacked around to do anything positive? I think the Rubashkin story just proved that we can units and join together for joyous reasons,and not just for tragedies hl”t.
The holocaust didn’t result in much teshuva in fact many people went off. Ours is a very weak generation and we need positive reinforcement.
Remember, teshuva only takes a second. It’s about a Mindset switch. As is known from the halacha that a woman is considered sofek mekudeshes if her husband was mekadesh her al minus shehu tzaddik gamur, even if he turns out to be a Rasha, and the reason is, shema hirher teshuva b’osa shaah.
Im sure most Jews, my not yet frum relatives amongst them, when they see the process become more and more talk, they’ll all return to their roots.
@lilmod +1 for that example – although I would use it to Epson different point, that Hashem’s Wisdom is way way beyond us and He does have our best interests in mind when He chose this system out of the myriad options
😂 I don’t initiate the conversation. But allot of them like chatting and start one and then things get rolling. I remember one asking if Jews really want to dominate the world.
But yes I’m allot more comfortable when my husband is there. However I never read it is assur to respond to a man who is speaking to you.
Another nugget you may find interesting :
The gemara teaches ain Yisrael nigalin ela biteshuva. Then the gemara asks the obvious, what if they don’t?
It answers, that in that case Hashem will appoint a melech koshe khaman, and then we’ll do teshuva and be redeemed.
The Rebbe comments that the comparison to Haman instead of the many sonei Yisrael, is to teach us that just as Haman looked very scary but didn’t end up harming even one Jew, so too in our case, if Hashem will ever need to resort to such measures.
@daasyochid the Rebbe came out with the campaign only after his prediction
“Also aren’t gog and Magog actual Kings that will fight one another?”
Interestingly the Rebbe mentioned in a sicha that Gog is Russia, (as we know gog is from the north of EY), and it is being fought spiritually and will fall peacefully.this will be a preparation for the Geula.
Shortly thereafter, the communist regime did fall peacefully.
“Let’s say the current events unfolding are as if Trump (EDOM) tries to get a piece of Jerusalem, do you think everything will happen this quietly and no big wars? Also isn’t gog to be killed and buried in Israel?”
See above. Also, I think trump is being used to fight the evil of the nations – in other words he’s Hashem’s player, so to say, not the bad guy.
Just for a story to answer further:
The Rebbe came out with the tefillin campaign in 1967 because he said it would serve as a protection for the soldiers, as it says about tefillin that the nations will see and be afraid of you.
Many many soldiers and commanders put on tefilin then, and the results were the inexplicable 6 day war.
Also, the Baba Sali used to predict every war in eretz Yisrael. One year, he predicted a war but it never happened. Surprised, his followers asked what had happened. He responded, how was I to know that the Lubavitcher Rebbe would come out with mivtza ois bsefer Torah and thereby push the war into Lebanon?
So yes, wars can be and have been fought spiritually in our times.
Just look how Hashem is protecting us! All the Arab countries around are chaotic, and too busy with their own issues to focus on destroying us, and the one threat left, Iran is also now facing their own issues.
“-I wonder where you happened to “hear” that since that is a chabad opinion. It also happens to be a very “clear” opinion .”
Yes I read it in hayom yom. What’s wrong with that? You don’t seem to have an issue with Joseph quoting Rabbi Miller all day, and I don’t have an issue with you writing your Rabbonim, if you do… Seems to me you don’t and are just out to attack lubavitchers, dunno why. Contribute some info, Torah, G-dly enlightenment etc for all of us to enjoy. How bout that?
״when it’s obvious all these ideas come from within your own derech.”
Well mostly, besides the doom and gloom I first posted, but yeah makes sense I would hear hear And learn more from my Rabbonim, if you want to share another view, go right ahead.
“Regarding that opinion I also urge to check what the Ben Ish Chai had to say about it.”
I also heard something fascinating -something like the number 424 (?) is related to Moshiach, and is the number Hashem will use to fight the war of moshiach. Could look up the source isf anyone is interested.
Donald trumps name is gematria that number and he is being used to fight the nations on Yerushalayim.
That and the sicha mentioned above plus another video on the subject from Rabbi Simon Jacobsons my life Chassidus applied video series, combines for a fascinating view of current events.
Maybe this war of the nations against Yerushalayim is it! And Hashem is just laughing at them and defeating them using Edom trump.
Also I’ve heard the holocaust being referred to as chevlei moshiach, could that be gog umagog too? Or two separate things
Or instead of being afraid of being influenced, become the influencer.
There is a halacha that salted chickens can be placed on one another although the blood is coming out, because since the chickens are expelling blood, they won’t take in any.
So too bruchnius. See them as a tzelem Elokim, and a part of Hashem’s Creation , and teach them about their role in the world. Sheva mitzvos bnei noach. Morality. Goodness and kindness. Etc.
My father did this in Microsoft for years. I do it in cabs.
I just saw it about a month ago
Cuz I was looking up the topic because of current developments with trump and Israel
I’m kind of sad I wasn’t around when this op was posted. BYM are you still around?
No I tried replying on that one but my post wasn’t approved and I respect that, as part of my post was directed towards some attitude
Just for everyone’s information, I also got some answers to questions posted on the other thread, such as questions on the Rambam etc. and I thank you for that, as it was quite informative for me. However, since that thread was closed down after some people got upset and yelled at the mods, which I completely disagree with, it looks like I won’t be able to answer them:(
Anyhow, at that point, it looked like most people did not want to hear a source because the whole thing sounded unconventional, and at the end of the thread there were mostly just emotional responses instead of a learned give and take of Torah sources.
Anyhow its really not the main thing. But just know there are answers:)
@daasyochid that may not have been what he meant but I was trying to show that may not hold water because we will all be very happy to be in a Geula state with no pain…
@avrammd it took me some time but I looked up the answer to your question. The answer is that Hashem wanted the world to descend to a low level so that we could thereby have a yerida ltzorech aliya, and reach an even higher level by moshiach than Adam before the chet.
However, Adam did not need to be the one to bring the world down. Harbe shluchim lamakom. (Similar as to why the mitzrim were punished when Hashem declared vaavadum vinu osam arba meios shana.) since with his bechira he chose to do the wrong thing, he was held accountable.
If it’s sholom bayis related, humor helps alot!
I’m trying to understand why he would think that there is no point to life without suffering
“Ask him- if everything was good then what would be the point in life?”
To grow from strength to strength- are you saying people should suffer so I can feel good it’s not me!? I’m all for moshiach times when things will be all good.
On the topic of onions creation, Yaakov Avinu asked for maadanim- plural.
The Alter Rebbe explains that there are two types of Avodas Hashem that Hashem delights in, and they are reflected in the two types of delicacies :
Avodas hatzaddikim – where we go from strength to strength in kedusha – that’s reflected in naturally sweet delicacies – like fruit.
Avodas Baalei teshuva – when we fall into bad / darkness, but then we elevate it into kedusha through teshuva, so we turn the darkness into light and bitterness into sweetness.
This is reflected by delicacies that start off bitter, but through cooking etc become sweet, such as onions.
I didn’t put on any picture when I was meeting shidduchim. I felt it was shallow and wrong.
Although now when I try to help my friends and their friends etc if I don’t know the person personally and never met, a pic can reveal allot of what the words describing their personality,level of Yiddishkeit, chassidishkeit, tznius etc.
So now I’m not sure….but definitely not multiple pics, and one where you look your best.
Lately I saw a video by the Bible codes person where he found in the codes that zionism will end this year. Also I thought it was fascinating, he said that the Rebbe told Netanyahu that he will pass the sharvit over to Moshiach! Could be sooner than we think…December 27, 2017 8:28 am at 8:28 am in reply to: Explaining to girls that only boys light the Chanukah Menorah #1437237
“(You’re second reason about suffering less/quicker isn’t an accurate explanation for this Halacha, even assuming the point is correct — which is unlikely. Women don’t suffer less and aren’t quicker to offer to give up their lives.)”
I realise it’s not really fair to quote something without a source. I’m working on getting that source, I learned it in Rabbi SB Hertzels class. He’s the shliach of rosh pina and has many fascinating stories about his experiences with the idf and halachic priorities.
In the meantime, I should take offence at your opinion of Jewish women but I won’t because I just feel bad that you don’t get it. A Yiddishe Mame gives up everything for her children and the prime example is actually brought out in this week’s parsha by hashgocha protis in Yaakov Avinus discussion with Yosef about the burial of his mother :
He tells Yosef he shouldn’t feel bad that he’s asking him to bury him in eretz Yisrael which shows how special it is, while he didn’t do the same for his mother. The reason he shouldn’t feel bad is that Rochel herself was more than ready to give up the special privilege to be buried in the holy maaras hamachpela so that she would be there for her children in the future. Not just any children, but wicked children who were exiled because of their sins. She was buried in the way so they would come and daven by her kever and then she would be able to get the promise from Hashem of vshavu banim ligvulam.
The reason why only she was able to get it was because of her great mesiras nefesh in being happy to give up her own spiritual rights for the sake of her children. This is a Yiddishe mame.
See likutei sichos chelek lamed,Parshas vayechi, sicha beis, for the full shakla vtarya on the Rashi, as well as why men give the status of Kohen Levi Yisrael, while the women make the child Jewish. I think you’ll find it fascinating.
But even without a sicha, you should know what a mother does for her children and family and how she will give up what she should have out of compassion for others.
In the Yeshiva world you would know of the essen teg where the women would take their own meals if necessary, to feed the bochurim. Bh we don’t need to do that nowadays as Hashem has blessed us with harchava.December 26, 2017 6:26 pm at 6:26 pm in reply to: Explaining to girls that only boys light the Chanukah Menorah #1437072
*notDecember 26, 2017 6:12 pm at 6:12 pm in reply to: Explaining to girls that only boys light the Chanukah Menorah #1437066
You could have also added that a married mans (even without children?) life comes before a single man to show the correct context – that priority goes by obligation, and that Torah is more mizalzel the kovod of bnos Yisrael. Quite the contrary – the Torah describes the Jewish woman as bas melech. Do you see the difference?December 26, 2017 6:12 pm at 6:12 pm in reply to: Explaining to girls that only boys light the Chanukah Menorah #1437067
*sufferDecember 26, 2017 6:08 pm at 6:08 pm in reply to: Explaining to girls that only boys light the Chanukah Menorah #1437062
@joseph correct context would be that in Halacha a man’s life comes first because he is obligated in more mitzvos, or because woman suffer less as they are quicker to give up their life for others. And by pidyon shvuim and with clothing, women come first because they are more tznius and will study more shame.December 26, 2017 5:33 pm at 5:33 pm in reply to: The Chofetz Chaim’s Best Friend — How not to be friends or a spouse #1437032
@ziongate I’ve been accused of that so thanks for the vote of confidence. Btw meant to say mistaken *vegan ideologyDecember 26, 2017 5:32 pm at 5:32 pm in reply to: Explaining to girls that only boys light the Chanukah Menorah #1437031
Oy avrammd you make good points but you are quite merciless 🙈December 26, 2017 3:48 pm at 3:48 pm in reply to: Explaining to girls that only boys light the Chanukah Menorah #1436969
And what is so distorted about the above examples of twisted halacha etc.?
Torah is the best thing for us and the world. Its the blueprint and instruction manual for the world. Following Torah is the best thing possible and leads to the best life possible for need and non Jews.
If a frum or not frum woman reads any of what you write and comes to the sad conclusion that a not frum woman leads a better and more fulfilling life than a woman would in a halachic society, that is wrong because it is simply untrue and to imply otherwise by twisting things out of context, is a travesty.December 26, 2017 3:48 pm at 3:48 pm in reply to: Explaining to girls that only boys light the Chanukah Menorah #1436967
My point is that I can fully agree with you on that. However, fighting these erroneous attitudes with halachos quoted out of context which is also a perversion of the Torahs view of women is like trying to put out fire with kerosene because it’s liquid just like water.
Enjoy this entertainment piece – I came up with it once when thinking about how people can run off with ain haisha ela lyofi to erroneously justify cosmetic surgery for shidduchim or talking to women and telling them they were created to incubate and pop babies because ain haisha ela lbonim.
Those kind of people may read “Ain haisha ela lyofi” and conclude that since “sheker hachein vhevel hayofi”
Women =sheker. And since “midvar sheker tirchak” all people ie men should keep their distance from women.
I’m sure you’d agree the above is ludicrous even though I just quoted three pesukim and maamarei chazal. The reason why is because it’s all twisted out of context to imply a non Jewish Islamic hashkofa which isn’t Torah.
If you think the above is anything other than humour I’d advise you to seriously learn pnimius HaTorah as you aren’t getting the hashkofa of Torah on your own.
If you have any questions on this I’ll be happy to answer 🙂December 26, 2017 3:20 pm at 3:20 pm in reply to: shalom mordechai is OUT…..BARUCH HASHEM! Its Zos Chanukah #1436995
” zero problems with banking or immigration issues since they assumed ownership”
BH glad to hear the feds didn’t see put to go after and financially ruin another yid. Maybe they saw it wasn’t worth it from Rubashkin….
That comment made me cringe as well. Please educate yourselves. I know the Rubashkins personally, and they are so honest and kind and amazing – if you’d like to hear stories I can go on and on.
This sentence was the equivalent of putting someone in jail for 27 years because they didn’t list the 20 dollar bills they made babysitting on their tax form…
They were millionaires and lived in a normal sized house and used their money for chessed. Were so normal and unassuming that you would never know they had money
Just one story- one year erev pesach a man from the community with a large family came running in to the Rubashkins house all stressed out. He frantically told SMR that his fridge broke and doesn’t know what to do. SMR told him not to worry and calmly instructed him to tell leah to give him one of their (2 or 3 hosting over 50 people abd making everything from scratch) fridges.December 26, 2017 3:18 pm at 3:18 pm in reply to: Explaining to girls that only boys light the Chanukah Menorah #1436997
Anyhow one can unfortunately conclude from halachos quoted out of context that the Torah cvs disrespects women when the truth is completely the opposite – the Torah very much cares for the honour of bnos Yisrael.December 26, 2017 3:00 pm at 3:00 pm in reply to: Explaining to girls that only boys light the Chanukah Menorah #1436975
BTW since you know Rambam so well in the topic of men and women and you quoted that halacha, please remind me and all of us if a woman comes before A man if there is only one outfit of clothing, and for pidyon shvuim as well? I think it’s both and the reason is because a woman had more shame and tznius than a manDecember 26, 2017 2:04 pm at 2:04 pm in reply to: Explaining to girls that only boys light the Chanukah Menorah #1436676
Joseph correct me if I’m wrong but what I’ve inferred from previous posts is that the reason you’re so gung ho about this topic is because you feel the world today disrespects men and Jewish people are falling into non Torah feminist attitudes which are actually vicious against men in some cases, such as the “I can wear whatever I want and you should just look away” disgusting attitude, so you feel got need to correct that. Am I correct?December 25, 2017 4:58 pm at 4:58 pm in reply to: A compliment (or, r”l, an insult) vs a mere statement of fact? #1436329
@WTP fascinating!! Where did you learn that?December 25, 2017 3:37 pm at 3:37 pm in reply to: The Chofetz Chaim’s Best Friend — How not to be friends or a spouse #1436090
@ziongate then we are in agreement. It’s fine to socialise as long as it isn’t just to waste time, or as Joseph says, sorting the breeze.
I learned about mammals etc and think it is wrong to term humans as such, just as we don’t term animals walking plants because they both grow and are alive.this is where the mistaken be a ideology drives from. As I said we are a class above.
We possess an animalistic soul but aren’t meant to become animals.
And bless your soul too:)