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    Health, Do you work for VAXOPEDIA?
    If not, why do you keep posting quotes from VAXOPEDIA or other Pro-Vax Websites?
    Or maybe you work for Pharmaceutical Company?
    Pharmaceutical is a TRILLION Dollar Industry – Biggest, Most Powerful Industry IN THE WORLD!

    doomsday
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    2cents: i. The study does not omit that the MMR vaccine was replaced in 1993 with the triple jab, as you yourself have posted earlier it clearly details it

    The Study DID Omit from the “Results” (which is all most people read) that MMR was replaced with
    3 Separate Vaccines. See Below:
    Results: The MMR vaccination rate in the city of Yokohama declined significantly in the birth cohorts of years 1988 through 1992, and not a single vaccination was administered in 1993 or thereafter. In contrast, cumulative incidence of ASD up to age seven increased significantly in the birth cohorts of years 1988 through 1996 and most notably rose dramatically beginning with the birth cohort of 1993.

    2cents, where does it say in RESULTS that MMR was replaced with triple jab? NOWHERE!!!

    2cents: and is actually part of the study to prove that either withholding MMR or replacing it with the triple jab has no effect on ASD rates.

    The CHART in the study shows the OPPOSITE – when MMR is Introduced – Autism DOUBLED.
    When MMR Vaccination Declined – Autism Rate also Declined.
    When Triple Jab is Introduced – Autism DOUBLES – AGAIN!

    doomsday
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    Doomsday: RATE DOUBLED a year later in 1990”

    2cents: They were following the cohorts, the numbers are for cohorts born in those years. You obviously have not read the entire study. The same cohorts that had a decline in the MMR had an increase in ASD.

    You are trying to OBFUSCATE by talking about “cohorts”.

    FACT: MMR and Triple Jab are given around ONE YEAR OF AGE

    FACT: ONE YEAR AFTER MMR is introduced – Autism Rate DOUBLES

    FACT: ONE YEAR After Triple Jab is introduced – Autism Rate DOUBLES

    doomsday
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    2cents: c. Aside from the many other criteria that were added, age is a huge factor, the DSM had an age restriction of needing to be diagnosed prior to 30 months.
    Since the majority of children with ASD are diagnosed after 30 months, they were not included in the DSM III, so the increase is not an increase in prevalence, it is an increase in diagnosis.

    Since children begin talking between 12-18 months, the NON-VERBAL Autistic children were diagnosed BEFORE 30 Months – even today!

    So the Expanded definition of Autism to after 30 months DOES NOT explain how
    Non-Verbal Autism went from 1:10,000 to 1:150!!!

    But I don’t expect 2Cents to ever admit he/she is WRONG and is spreading DISINFORMATION
    to cover up that Vaccines cause Autism!

    doomsday
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    2Cents: Look at the CHART in the Study.

    1. Did Autism DOUBLE in 1990?
    YES! That is ONE year after MMR was introduced in 1989.

    2. Did Autism DECLINE in 1991-1992?
    YES! Which reflects the Sharp Decline in MMR Vaccination.

    3. Did Autism DOUBLE again in 1994?
    YES! Which is ONE Year AFTER the “triple jab” was introduced.

    How can you deny that the CHART from the Study shows that Autism Rate rises and falls
    in direct correlation to the Rise and Falls of Vaccines (whether MMR or Triple Jab)???

    doomsday
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    2cents: That is your own position, yet the studies clearly demonstrate that siblings and twins are more likely to have autism regardless of their vaccination status,

    LIE!
    2Cents – show me ONE Study that showed 100% UNVACCINATED Twins or Siblings got Autism.

    doomsday
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    2cent: Including the study of many identical twins, which have an extremely high probability that if one has autism the twin will also have.

    This shows that these children were born with autism.

    NO! It shows that identical twins both have a Genetic Weakness which makes them
    MORE VULNERABLE to getting Autism FROM VACCINES!

    If one Twin was Vaccinated and the other Twin was NOT Vaccinated –
    then you would see that only the Vaccinated Twin gets Autism.
    Which is why CDC refuses to do a VAXXED VS UNVAXXED STUDY!

    Just like a Smoker is more likely to get LUNG CANCER if his/her Twin got Lung Cancer.
    But only if both twins SMOKED.
    If one twin smoked and the other twin DIDN’T SMOKE – only the Smoking Twin gets Lung Cancer.

    doomsday
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    Doomsday: β€œEY, I don’t give sources because Pro-Vaxxers attack the Source instead of the FACTS.”

    2Cents: Actually, this is how it works, if you present a statement that is not a fact if the β€˜source’ is from a blog or a website, that still does not make it a fact.

    The FACTS I am making is proving that the CDC Studies are FRAUDULENT.
    I got these Facts from PhD Scientists – but you don’t have to know who they are in order to
    comment of the EVIDENCE of FRAUD I presented.
    All you have to do is refute the FRAUD – which None of you Provaxxers can do!

    doomsday
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    Health: Along came modern medicine that prolongs human life.

    Along also came FLUSH TOILETS, Running CLEAN Water, MORE FOOD and LESS OVERCROWDING.
    And this also had a dramatic effect on the reduction of disease and lower mortality for sick people.
    In the THIRD WORLD, malnourished children die from Measles. But virtually ZERO children die from
    Measles in USA.
    So PROSPERITY = better nutrition has a lot to do with people recovering from illness and therefore
    people live longer.

    doomsday
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    2cents: You are not doing anyone a favor by just recycling your old posts, you have simply distorted and posted incorrect data, that is dishonest.

    YOU are the one just recycling old posts.
    And you have not refuted ONE EVIDENCE OF FRAUD that I have posted!
    And neither have any other Pro-Vaxxers on this thread.
    The FRAUD is IRREFUTABLE.

    doomsday
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    2cents: There is no denying that:

    a. DSM III had a significantly reserved criteria for ASD.
    b. The stats of the 1990s were all based on the Criteria of the DSM III Criteria for ASD.
    c. Aside from the many other criteria that were added, age is a huge factor, the DSM had an age restriction of needing to be diagnosed prior to 30 months.
    Since the majority of children with ASD are diagnosed after 30 months, they were not included in the DSM III, so the increase is not an increase in prevalence, it is an increase in diagnosis.

    I do not expect you to agree to any of this.
    ***************************************************************************************
    Because you ignore the point that 1/3 of Autistic children are NON-VERBAL!
    so if 1:50 kids are autistic, 1:150 kids are NON-VERBAL Autistic.

    in 1970 PER THE CDC, the rate for NON-VERBAL Autism was 1:10,000
    Today it is 1:150

    So how can you DENY that the rate of NON-VERBAL AUTISM has Skyrocketed???

    Your “drey kup” arguments to work on large segments of the population – but not to those
    of us who are aware of that Autism Definition was Expanded IN ORDER TO DENY THAT AUTISM
    HAS INCREASED!

    But the “expanded” definition of Autism does not explain how NON VERBAL AUTISM went
    from 1:10,000 to 1:150!!!

    doomsday
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    2cents: β€œAccording to Yokohama statistics, MMR vaccination
    rates declined from 69.8% in the 1988 birth cohort,
    to 42.9%, 33.6%, 24.0%, and a mere 1.8% in birth
    cohorts 1989 to 1992”

    The above is prior, which means before, the triple jab has been introduced.

    69.8% of children born in 1988 got MMR in 1989 (age 1 Year) and AUTISM RATE DOUBLED a year later in 1990 – as is shown in the CHART in the Study.

    Then the MMR Vaccine Rate went sharply down – and the Autism Rate ALSO went sharply down – as is shown in the CHART in the Study. So BEFORE “triple jab” was introduced – Autism Rate DECLINED!

    Then when 3 Separate Vaccines were introduced in 1993 – Autism Rate DOUBLED AGAIN!!!

    2Cents, So do you admit that this is evidence that MMR or 3 Separate Vaccines cause Autism Rate to DOUBLE??

    doomsday
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    2cents: Here is the FRAUD in your study, on “MMR Withdrawal”

    β€œThe key findings are that the seven-year cumulative incidence of ASD rose progressively from 47.6 per 10,000 for children born in 1988 to 117.2 for those born in 1996,”

    The CHART shown in the study shows Autism DOUBLED in 1990 – a year AFTER MMR was introduced, then Autism Rate FELL when MMR Vaccination Rate Fell. Then Autism Rate DOUBLED again after
    MMR was replaced with 3 SEPARATE Vaccines.

    that this rise continued in cohorts of children born after MMR was withdrawn, and that no decline in ASD incidence occurred in the five-year period from 1988 to 1992 during which MMR vaccine usage fell from 69.8% to zero”

    The Rise Continued in children born after MMR was Withdrawn – AND 3 SEPARATE VACCINES were ADDED! The Study OMITS that MMR was REPLACED with 3 OTHER Vaccines!
    It is FRAUDULENT to write that MMR Vax Rate DECLINED starting 1988 when MMR was not introduced until 1989!!!

    doomsday
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    I have debunked the Fraudulent MMR-Autism-Sibling Study before but I will do it AGAIN.

    1. This was NOT a vaxxed vs unvaxxed study – the CDC/Vaccine Industry is TERRIFIED to do a
    Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed Study! But FAKE News Media and FAKE DOCTORS LIE and call this and other
    studies Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed when they are NOT. They are all Vaxxed vs Vaxxed and UNVALID!

    Here are samples of LYING Headline by Fake News (70% of advertising from Pharmaceutical Co):
    No MMR-Autism Link in Large Study of Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated Kids

    Here is a quote (LIE) from Dr. Brian King regarding the Fake Study:
    β€œTaken together, some dozen studies have now shown that the age of onset of ASD does not differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated children, the severity or course of ASD does not differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated children, and now the risk of ASD recurrence in families does not differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated children.”

    LIES! These are NOT Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Studies!

    2. The study was called a 95,000 kid study but they only focused on 23 Children who
    1. Had an older sibling with Autism
    2. Did not get MMR (but DID get OTHER Vaccines)
    3. Had Autism

    23 Children is NOT 95,000 Children – so calling this a 95,000 child study is a LIE!

    3. The study was NOT RANDOMIZED and due to Healthy User Bias children who were showing
    SIGNS OF AUTISM were more likely NOT to get the MMR (but they DID get OTHER Vaccines) which
    HIDES the MMR-AUTISM Connection!
    The AUTHORS of the study ADMIT Healthy User Bias – but then ignore it in the Fake “conclusion”

    study quote: β€œthis pattern is driven by selective parental decision making around MMR immunization, i.e., parents who notice social or communication delays in their children decide to forestall immunization. Because, as a group, children with recognized delays are likely to be at higher risk of ASD, such selectivity could result in a tendency for some higher-risk children to be β€œunexposed” (to the MMR). β€œ Gee, Do you think?!?!

    4. 4-14% of the No MMR Group – MAY HAVE GOTTEN MMR!!! Study only looked at Insurance Records but kids could have been vaccinated at Health Clinic or School with No Insurance Record of MMR.
    This makes the whole study INVALID!

    quote study: : the MMR immunization rates in our study were 4% to 14% lower than rates reported in the National Immunization Survey. Thus, children in our study who are considered unvaccinated may have received vaccines in settings such as schools or public health clinics in which claims were not submitted.

    5. This was NOT a study of Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed but a study of kids who got 24 vaccines vs kids who got 23 vaccines. It’s like comparing smokers who smoked 24 packs of cigarettes vs smokers who smoked 23 packs of cigarettes.

    All this study proves is that MMR is NOT the ONLY Vaccine that causes Autism. Other vaccines which contain ALUMINUM and other neurotoxins can ALSO cause Autism!

    ProVaxxers are you going to admit that this is ANOTHER FRAUDULENT Study???

    doomsday
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    2cents, I read the article Three Reasons Not to Believe in an Autism Epidemic
    Here is a quote from the article:
    “However, no sound scientific evidence indicates that the increasing number of diagnosed cases of autism arises from anything other than purposely broadened diagnostic criteria, coupled with deliberately greater public awareness and intentionally improved case finding.”

    Again, per the CDC, in 1970 autism was 1:10,000. At that time, autism was described as NON-VERBAL Autism. Today Autism rate is 1:50 of which ONE THIRD ARE NON-VERBAL AUTISM = 1:150.

    And nobody will miss diagnosing a kid who is NON-VERBAL.
    And public is definitely aware if a kid is NON-VERBAL.

    2Cents, I have refuted the nonsense in the Autism Epidemic Denial.
    So do you admit that Autism Epidemic IS REAL from 1:10,000 to 1:150?

    doomsday
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    2Cents: “yet this study is focused on cohorts of 1988 and on, which means that they followed cohorts that received no MMR shots as well as no triple jab shots. ”

    The study chart shows that when MMR vaccination dropped and BEFORE Triple Jab was introduced –
    the Autism Rate dropped sharply. Which is evidence that Vaccines cause autism.

    doomsday
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    ProVaxxers are you going to admit the study β€œNo effect of MMR withdrawal on the incidence of autism: a total population study” is FRAUDULENT?

    1. Study Proclaims that after MMR was withdrawn, Autism went UP. But HIDES THE FACT that MMR
    was replaced with THREE other vaccines – and that’s why Autism went up.

    2. The CHART shown in the study clearly shows that when MMR was Introduced – Autism DOUBLED.
    When MMR vaccination Rates dropped – Autism Rates Dropped!
    When MMR was replaced with THREE other Vaccines – Autism Rates DOUBLED again!
    The chart is evidence that Vaccines cause Autism – but the Authors (who take $$$ from Vaccine Industry) proclaim the OPPOSITE of what the DATA actually shows!

    ProVaxxers, are you going to admit the “No effect of MMR withdrawal…”study is FRAUDLENT?

    doomsday
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    EYMom, I NEVER attack a study based on the Source – that CDC sponsored the study.
    I always get reviews from PhD Scientists who point out the FRAUD in the CDC studies.
    But I don’t name the Scientists who pointed out the Fraud, because all the Pro-Vaxxers on this thread
    start attacking the “anti-vaxxer” scientists, instead of looking at the FACTS.
    I had this happen several times, so I no longer name the Source but just quote the FACTS.

    doomsday
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    Health, What about all the BILLIONS $$$ Pharmaceutical Company gets selling vaccines which we must buy by FORCE.
    And then the TRILLIONS $$$ Pharmaceutical Company gets selling Meds to all the children that are made SICK by Vaccines: Ritalin, Chemotherapy, Insulin, Epi-Pens, Antihistamines, Anti-Seizure Drugs, etc?

    If anyone is make TRILLIONS off this SCAM – its the Pharmaceutical Industry.
    And they don’t care how many Millions of Children they Injure – as long as they get their $$$$$$$$$$$

    doomsday
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    2Cents: all the data shows that autism is genetic,

    Is there a BLOOD Test for Autism?
    Then there is No PROOF that Autism is Genetic – even though they have been looking for
    the “autism gene” for TWENTY YEARS!

    And the Fact that the NON-VERBAL Autism rate went from 1:10,000 to 1:150 is proof that autism
    is NOT primarily genetic.
    There is a genetic component – but there has to be something in ENVIRONMENT (like vaccines) that
    caused the Autism Rate like that to Skyrocket!

    doomsday
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    2Cents: So explain this, if autism has nothing to do with genetics, a claim you had just made in public. Why is there even a 1% increase in identical twins?

    I answered this but I’ll say it again: Autism is BOTH Genetic and Environmental – just like SMOKING.
    only 5% of Smokers get Lung Cancer – so it’s partly Genetic or else 100% would get cancer.
    only 2R of children get Autism – so it’s partly Genetic or else 100% of children would get cancer.
    But if a person does NOT smoke – they will not get Cancer!
    And if a child is NOT Vaccinated – they will not get Autism.
    Siblings of Autistic Children who are 100% UNVACCINATED – do not have Autism!

    doomsday
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    2Cents – are you claiming that Autism is Genetic like Down Syndrome?

    Here are all the KNOWN Genetic Retardation:Down Syndrome, Fragile X, Rett Syndrome, Williams Syndrome, Angelman Syndrome, Prader Willi Syndrome, Patau Syndrome, Edwards Syndrome, Cohen Syndrome

    NONE of the KNOWN Genetic Retardation Rates went up after 1990 when CDC quadrupled vaccines!
    But AUTISM – which is NOT proven to be Genetic, there is NO BLOOD TEST – DID Go up!

    2cents, how do you explain THAT!?!?

    doomsday
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    EY, I don’t give sources because Pro-Vaxxers attack the Source instead of the FACTS.

    The fact is here is a study called “No effect of MMR withdrawal on the incidence of autism: a total population study”
    In the RESULTS, the authors stated that AFTER MMR Vaccine was stopped in 1993 – the Autism Rate went UP!
    The FRAUD is, the authors don’t mention in the “Results” that when the MMR was stopped in 1993 – the MMR was REPLACED with three separate shots – and THAT is why the Autism Rate went up.

    In the Body of the Study (that few people read) it states that MMR was replaced with 3 Shots – but
    in the paragraph called “results” that fact was NOT mentioned – which is Most Important!!!

    Additionally, the study had a CHART. In the Chart it shows that AFTER MMR was introduced in
    1989 – Autism SPIKED in 1990!
    When people stopped using MMR in 1991-1992: – the Autism Rate DROPPED.
    When people started doing 3 Vaccines in 1993 – Autism Rate SPIKED – AGAIN!
    The CHART – which is in the study – clearly shows that Vaccines cause Autism.
    Yet the authors – who get $$$ from Vaccine Industry – wrote the OPPOSITE!

    EY Mom – is that not outright Fraud and Deception?

    doomsday
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    2Cents: You seem to focus on the lower vaccination rates, not that the triple jab vs MMR vaccine was rolled out in 1993, yet this study is focused on cohorts of 1988 and on, which means that they followed cohorts that received no MMR shots as well as no triple jab shots.

    2Cents, did you look at the CHART in the study? Please answer!
    The Chart shows that after MMR was introduced in 1989 there was a sharp SPIKE of Autism in 1990!
    Then when Vaccination Rates Dropped 1991-1992 = the Autism Rate dropped also.
    Then when triple jab was introduced in 1993 – Autism Rate SPIKED AGAIN!

    This is evidence that Vaccines cause Autism. The Autism Rate goes UP and DOWN at the same
    time the Vaccination Rate goes UP and DOWN!
    And the Study committed FRAUD by not noting that the Spike in Autism after 1993 was when
    MMR was replaced by triple jab!

    doomsday
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    Shimon: Before vaccines half of children didn’t make it to adulthood. People used to live an average of 40-50 years…”

    Shimon, in the 1940s and 1950s BEFORE VACCINES, Half the children did NOT Die before adulthood.
    In the 1940s and 1950s BEFORE VACCINES – children were much HEALTHIER – hardly any Autism, ADHD, Childhood Diabetes, Childhood Cancer, Childhood Epilepsy, etc!

    And People did not DIE at age 40-50 in the 1940s and 1950s.
    So the Pro Vax website you are quoting is WRONG!

    doomsday
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    2scents: it’s fair to say that the majority of people whom we would today think of as being β€œon the spectrum” would not have come close to a diagnosis in the 1980s.

    2Scents: ONE THIRD of all ASD are NON-VERBAL!
    If the ASD Rate is 1:50 that means the NON-VERBAL Autism Rate is 1:150.
    Per the CDC the Autism Rate in 1970 was 1:10,000 which was for NON-VERBAL Autism.
    Today it is 1:150 for NON-VERBAL Autism.
    HOW did Non-Verbal Autism go from 1:10,000 to 1:150????

    So it is a LIE to say that there isn’t an EPIDEMIC of Autism.
    And there is no such think as a GENETIC Epidemic.
    We don’t have a DOWN SYNDROME Epidemic – the Rate of all KNOWN Genetic Retardation
    has remained the same! Because Autism is not Primarily Genetic but caused by something in
    the ENVIRONMENT.
    And Autism SKYROCKETED AFTER CDC quadrupled the Vaccine Schedule around
    1990!

    doomsday
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    Can we please put the SIDS debate on the side for now and look at the PROVEN FRAUD I have shown
    of the “No effect of MMR withdrawal on the incidence of autism: a total population study”?

    It was seeing all the FRAUD committed by the Vaccines are Safe Studies that make me
    an Anti-Vaxxer!

    doomsday
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    EY MOM: . The studies he quotes have all been discredited, and by more than one person or organization.
    Also, while it’s true that some of the studies done on vaccines have been either done or paid for by individuals or organizations with conflicts of interest, the exact same thing can be said for Miller. So he’s just not someone who can be used to disprove repeated studies showing that vaccines do not cause autism, SIDS, etc.

    Everything you say about Dr. Miller, you can say about the CDC Safety Studies.
    ALL the CDC Vaccine Safety Studies have been discredited by other PhD Scientists.
    All the CDC and Other Vaccines Safety Studies have conflicts of interest – ties to the Vaccine Industry.

    EY Mom, do you know that the CDC OWNS 50+ Vaccine Patents?
    Did you know that CDC accepts Millions of Dollars of “Gifts” (bribes) from Vaccine Industry?

    EY MOM, Please tell me what are the “Conflicts of Interest” that you claim, Dr. Miller’s Studies have!

    doomsday
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    2cents: Your confusing the dates. 93 is when they began giving the mono shots. Yet at much lower rates compared to elsewhere. 1988 is when they paused the MMR vaccines.

    YOU are confused. 1989 was when they INTRODUCED MMR. 1993 was when they withdrew MMR and
    replaced it with 3 separate vaccines. here is a quote from the Fraud Study:
    β€œThe [MMR] program was terminated in April 1993. Subsequently, only MONOVELENT [single] vaccines were administered…

    It is NOT True that the 3 vaccines were given at a much lower rate.
    What is the source for this “fact”?

    doomsday
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    Here is Proof that the study “No effect of MMR withdrawal…” is FRAUDULENT!

    You must see the CHART that the Fraudulent Study used – the chart Shows Vaccines Cause Autism!
    Google: childhealthsafety Japanese Data shows vaccines cause autism.
    scroll down a little to the paper: Japanese Data shows vaccines cause autism.
    You will see the CHART that the Fraudulent Study “No effect of MMR withdrawal..” used!

    The Chart shows Autism DOUBLED in 1990 – After MMR was introduced in 1989!
    When MMR Vaccination Rate Sharply Declined – AUTISM RATE SHARPLY DECLINED.
    In 1993 MMR was replaced with three SEPARATE Vaccines – AUTISM WENT UP EVEN MORE!

    This is what Fraudulent Study “No effect of MMR withdrawal…” wrote in their “Results”

    Results: The MMR vaccination rate in the city of Yokohama declined significantly in the birth cohorts of years 1988 through 1992, and not a single vaccination was administered in 1993 or thereafter. In contrast, cumulative incidence of ASD up to age seven increased significantly in the birth cohorts of years 1988 through 1996 and most notably rose dramatically beginning with the birth cohort of 1993.

    LIE! MMR Vaccination rate did not decline in 1988 because MMR was INTRODUCED IN 1989!
    MMR Vaccination Rate declined sharply – and so did Autism Rate
    1993 – MMR withdrawn and REPLACED with THREE SEPARATE VACCINES – Autism Rate SKYROCKETS!

    FRAUD: The Fraud Doctors state that Autism increased the MOST in 1993 AFTER MMR was withdrawn. But the Fraud Doctors HIDE in the “Results” that MMR was REPLACED with 3 Vaccines:
    Here is quote from the BODY of Fake Study where they Admit the Replacement:
    β€œThe [MMR] program was terminated in April 1993. Subsequently, only MONOVELENT [single] vaccines were administered…measles and rubella vaccinations were each specified for children between 12 and 90 months…the mumps vaccination was voluntary..It was also stipulated that an interval of at least four weeks separate administration of vaccination.”

    ProVaxxers, do you admit this study is a Fraud and the Chart this Study used proves the
    EXACT OPPOSITE – that Autism Rises and Falls with use of vaccines!!!

    doomsday
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    The name of the study is:
    β€œNo effect of MMR withdrawal on the incidence of autism: a total population study”

    And I have shown you how every study that is cited by the ProVaxxers on this thread
    is Fraudulent.

    But let’s take it one study at a time.
    Don’t you agree it is fraudulent for the summary of the study to say how after MMR was withdrawn the autism was rate went up –
    and OMIT that the MMR was replaced by THREE SEPARATE VACCINES (Measles, Mumps and Rubella – given separately) – and THAT is why Autism went up???

    doomsday
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    2Cents – still waiting for you to comment on the CDS MMR Study FRAUD:

    2Cents β€œAre you arguing that other vaccines and not MMR vaccine cause autism, only because the data shows that MMR does not cause autism,”

    The DATA does NOT show that MMR does not cause Autism. The Vaccines Don’t Cause Autism Studies are ALL FRAUDS – and I PROVED they are Frauds. Here is ONE Example:

    2Cents: There was an increase, (become or make greater in size, amount, intensity, or degree.) in autism. In the same time, vaccines were not given at all, in this same period of time there was an increase in autism.
    Below is the exact quote. (of course, you omitted it, or maybe it was by error and unintentional)
    β€œRESULTS:
    The MMR vaccination rate in the city of Yokohama declined significantly in the birth cohorts of years 1988 through 1992, and not a single vaccination was administered in 1993 or thereafter. In contrast, cumulative incidence of ASD up to age seven increased significantly in the birth cohorts of years 1988 through 1996 and most notably rose dramatically beginning with the birth cohort of 1993.”

    The Study LIED when it said β€œNOT A SINGLE VACCINATION WAS ADMINSTERED in 1993 and thereafter”
    What the study meant was not a single MMR vaccination was administered.
    But omitting the word MMR was INTENTIONAL because ALL Fraudulent Studies denying the connection between Vaccines and Autism do the same thing! Like calling children who did not
    receive ONE vaccine β€œunvaccinated” when they WERE vaccinated. That is DELIBERATE FRAUD to
    MISLEAD the public that the study was vaxxed vs unvaxxed when it was vaxxed vs. vaxxed.

    More Fraud: In the summary of the study it says that Autism rate went UP after MMR was removed.
    But no where in the summary does it say that the MMR was REPLACED with THREE SEPARATE VACCINES. Here is a quote from the Body of the Study where this IMPORTANT fact was HIDDEN:

    β€œThe [MMR] program was terminated in April 1993. Subsequently, only MONOVELENT [single] vaccines were administered…measles and rubella vaccinations were each specified for children between 12 and 90 months…the mumps vaccination was voluntary..It was also stipulated that an interval of at least four weeks separate administration of vaccination.”

    So the RESULTS of the study proclaim – AFTER MMR was stopped – Autism went up.
    What the RESULTS of the study OMITS – is that the MMR was replaced with THREE OTHER Vaccines – and THAT is why Autism went. So NO PROOF that MMR does not cause Autism. FAKE STUDY!

    2Cents – are you going to admit that the β€œMMR Doesn’t Cause Autism Study” YOU Cited is FRAUDULENT? β€œNo effect of MMR withdrawal on the incidence of autism: a total population study”

    doomsday
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    So if a person dies after taking 69 pills and a person dies after taking 70 pills –
    that proves the 70th different pill is safe?

    NO!

    If you want to test the 70th pill you do the Pill vs ZERO pills.
    That is SCIENTIFIC.

    Testing 69 pills vs 70 pills is NOT scientific – even if the 70th pill is different.

    doomsday
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    If anything, homes were cleaner from 1950-1980 with modern appliances and
    STAY AT HOME Mothers but allergies didn’t explode until 1990s – when mothers
    were working and housekeeping was lower standard.
    So the “cleanliness theory” doesn’t work – or allergies would have exploded in the 1950s

    doomsday
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    Yes giving Bamba to babies is probably why Israel avoided the peanut allergy.
    But in USA they never gave Bamba to babies (they’re now starting to) and hardly anyone
    was deadly allergic to peanuts – until CDC quadrupled the vaccine schedule..

    doomsday
    Participant

    But nobody ever did a 4 pill vs ZERO pill test so we don’t really know if 4 pills are
    as safe as ZERO pills.
    translation: Nobody ever did a vax vs unvax study – even when it was only 4 vaccines.

    And when it comes to comparing the cancer rate between 69 packs and 70 packs
    I don’t know if the cancer rate will be any different.
    But that doesn’t mean smoking doesn’t cause cancer.

    And the harm caused by taking 69 vaccines (or pills) and 70 Vaccines (or pills)
    may not be different – but that doesn’t mean the 70th vaccine is safe.

    doomsday
    Participant

    EY Mom – I’m a special ed therapist.
    ADHD is primarily diagnosed based on parents/teachers filling out a check list of symptoms.
    There is no blood test for ADHD.

    I said some ADHD is just lack of discipline but MOST ADHD IS REAL – please read carefully.

    I’m not advocating for smacking in the classroom, but I want to make a point that some of the
    bad behavior that is diagnosed as ADHD is really lack of discipline. And a Medical Doctor said this.
    But MOST children really can’t control their behavior. ADHD is real.

    Do you know any teachers who taught 20+ Years? Ask them if ADHD, Learning issues and Behavioral Issues are not increasing.

    Allergies and Asthma are caused by an OVER ACTIVE Immune system.
    What do Vaccines do? They Artificially STIMULATE the immune system.
    What happens when you do this dozens of times to a newborn baby?
    You get skyrocketing rates of Asthma and Allergies which are AUTO-IMMUNE Diseases!
    As is Diabetes and Childhood Arthritis which is also skyrocketing.

    I don’t know how old you are, but I remember when they served peanut butter in schools –
    I went to the largest girls school – BY of BP 1,000+ girls and NOBODY was DEADLY allergic to peanuts.
    Now so many kids are!
    How did that just happen?
    You think it’s a co-incidence that 1:6 children are allergic when it used to be extremely rare
    at the SAME TIME as they QUADRUPLED (4 x) the number of vaccines given???

    doomsday
    Participant

    Reb Yid: Doomsday, why do you then believe that ADHD and autism are real? There is no genetic evidence, no physical evidence… Maybe it’s just a form of PTSD caused by abusive parents?

    When a kid is non-verbal, rocking back and forth, hand flapping, self-injurying – it is real.
    ADHD is sometimes fake – if parents/teachers were allowed to give a kid a smack they could probably
    “cure” some ADHD.
    But “Experts” who are smarter then the Torah decided that giving a kid a Smack is
    “cruel”. That it’s more “compassionate” to drug 10% of all boys with Ritalin which may have
    dangerous side effect. Plus the Pharmaceutical companies get to make Billions. So it’s win-win, right?

    But most of ADHD is real – kids who cannot sit still and focus for more then a few minutes.
    And it’s probably caused by Vaccines – just like Autism, learning disabilities, allergies, asthma,
    SIDS, cancer, diabetes, etc.

    doomsday
    Participant

    Ubiquitin, to further clarify,
    you would not test the safety of 5 pills by comparing 4 pills to 5 pills.
    You would test 5 pills to zero pills.

    doomsday
    Participant

    EYMOM, Per the CDC the Autism rate in 1970 was 1:10,000.
    In 1970 Autism was Defined as NON-VERBAL Autism.
    You cannot Miss NON-VERBAL Autism. These children were never able to “compensate”.

    Then they changed the definition of Autism so that when the Autism Rate went up after they
    QUADRUPLED the Vaccines, they could LIE:
    No, Autism did not really go up. It’s just that we Expanded the Definition

    The Autism rate is 1:50 – 1/3 are NON VERBAL Autism which means 1:150 are NON Verbal Autistic.
    And in 1970, PER CDC, there were 1:10,000 NON Verbal Autistic.

    EY Mom – do you see how they are lying to you to hide that Non-Verbal Autism has SKYROCKETED?

    Also, speak to any educator who has been teaching 20+ years if the number of children with
    learning issues, behavior issues, ADHD, fatal allergies, asthma has skyrocketed.
    The 20 Yr+ teachers KNOW THE TRUTH!

    doomsday
    Participant

    Health: Stop with your Hypocrisy!
    You say the CDC Lies when it comes to vaccines; but you believe them when it comes to Autism rates.
    Why? SBM says it’s wrong numbers.

    Yes, CDC Lies about Vaccines. But YOU ProVaxxers claim to believe CDC so I am using
    CDC’s own chart to show you that there is a Massive Autism Epidemic – and it keeps going up.

    And SBM NEVER said that the CDC Chart is the wrong numbers.

    SBM claimed that “World Wide” Autism Rate did not go up in 20 years.
    And since every country defines Autism differently and not all countries keep accurate track
    it is a STUPID LIE to Fool people like yourself that Autism is not Skyrocketing.
    But even the CDC admits Autism IS Skyrocketing!

    doomsday
    Participant

    Ubiquitin: Speaking of dishonest ommiting,
    here are more recnt questions you omitted answers to :

    1) β€œTherefore Klinefers is NOT Genetic Retardation”

    Wait, what? so those with Klienfelters that do have a developmental delay, are yo u saying it has nothing to do with their genetic condition?
    2) And you are aware tha t not all those with trisomy 21 have the same intellectual ability either. right?
    3-4) didint you claim to be in special ed? Are you telling me every child you have encountered had a specific identifiable cause of their disability?
    5-6) Suppose 4 pills were safe. (As you agree) Is there any way I could prove that 5 pills is also safe? How would I go about proving that 5 pills was no more dangerous than 4 pills ?

    Dont omit anything, just answer the questions (especially the last one please)
    looking forward
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    1. I did not omit answering your claim that Klinefers is not mental retardation. (Another Lie)
    I will repeat it again – please pay attention:
    β€œIntelligence is usually normal;”
    Nobody would say about Down Syndrome or any other Proven Genetic Retardation that
    β€œintelligence is usually normal”.
    Therefore Klinefers is NOT Genetic Retardation.

    Regarding your other point, go to the dictionary and look up the word “usually”

    2. Yes. But virtually all Trisomy 21 are intellectually disabled although there is a RANGE.

    3. Yes, I am a Special Ed Therapist.

    4. Not all intellectual disabled have a Known Genetic Cause. I.D. can also be environmental.

    5 & 6. Yes you can prove if 5 pills are safe.
    Do a study 5 Pills vs ZERO Pills.
    If there is no difference then 5 Pills are safe.

    And the only way to test if the 70+ Vaccine Schedule is safe is to test:
    100% Vaxxed per CDC Schedule vs 100% UNVAXXED!

    That is the only SCIENTIFIC Way to know if the CDC Schedule is safe.
    Anyone who denies that is ANTI-SCIENCE!

    doomsday
    Participant

    Ubiquiton: I didn’t omit anything

    Wow! What a Shameless Liar.

    Here is what Ubiquitin wrote:
    Doomsday:No. because…”

    Here is what I actually said:
    Doomsday: No, because ONLY 1.3% OF CHILDREN ARE UNVACCINATED SO THEY DON”T EFFECT THE AUTISM RATE.

    Ubiquitin – you see the part in caps – that the part you OMITTED, you Liar!
    And you did not omit what I said because it was “silly”, you Liar.
    You omitted it because it destroyed your argument.

    And here is where you Omitted again:

    Here is what Ubiquitin wrote:
    Doomsday: β€œYou cannot provide ONE example of people accusing a product of harm & manufacturers deny where the manufacturers were right. NOT ONCE IN HISTORY!”

    Ubiquitin: What?
    My neighbor accuses his microwave of reading his thoughts

    Here is what I said:

    Doomsday: β€œYou cannot provide ONE example of LARGE GROUPS of people accusing a product of harm & manufacturers deny where the manufacturers were right. NOT ONCE IN HISTORY!”

    Folks, see what Ubiquitin OMITTED – the phrase LARGE GROUPS. And then Ubiquitin brings
    an example of ONE crazy person as “proof” to destroy my argument.

    Hey Ubiquitin – can you give an example where LARGE GROUPS of people accused a product of causing harm, the manufacturers deny where the manufacturers were right.
    No you can’t – that is why you OMITTED the phrase “LARGE GROUPS” – in order to LIE!

    Folks, notice how Pro Vaxxers have to LIE?
    It means they cannot defeat my argument on the merit so they have to resort to Lies
    to defend vaccines and deny that they are dangerous.

    doomsday
    Participant

    Ubiquitin, Klinefers is not retardation but Tay-Sachs does include retardation.

    And you can Lie a MILLION times that we don’t need to compare
    Vaxxed to Unvaxxed in order to be Scientific.

    But you would still be wrong.

    Ubiquitin, I DARE you to answer this:
    Why was the study that PROVED that smoking caused cancer Smoker vs Non Smoker????
    Why didn’t all those PhD Scientists compare 3 pack smokers to 4 pack smokers in order
    to determine if smoking caused cancer?

    doomsday
    Participant

    Ubiquitin:β€œand has the autism rate changed?

    Doomsday:No. because…”

    Ubiquitin: Can you think of another possibility?
    ———————————————————————————————————
    Folks, I want to show you MORE EVIDENCE of how Ubiquitin LIES to cover up for Vaccines.
    Ubiquitin deliberately OMITTED parts of the dialogue – because showing them doesn’t
    cover up for Vaccine Caused Autism. Here is the Entire Dialogue – nothing OMITTED:

    Dooms: β€œPercentage of young U.S. children who don’t receive any vaccines has quadrupled since 2001.”

    Ubiquitin: and has the autism rate changed?

    Doomsday: No, because ONLY 1.3% OF CHILDREN ARE UNVACCINATED SO THEY DON”T EFFECT THE AUTISM RATE.

    Folks, the part in Caps is the part Ubiquitin deliberately OMITTED Because it destroys her
    Vaccine Cover-Up!

    Shame on you, Ubiquitin. I am on to your tricks.
    Not the first time you OMITTED what I said to FOOL people!

    doomsday
    Participant

    Commonsense, I believe in MANAGED RISK – and most vaccines are NOT worth the Risk!

    Lets look at the RISK of Measles vs the Risk of Vaccines

    1:6 children are Learning Disabled
    1:6 children are Allergic (can be Fatal!)
    1:13 children have Asthma
    1:15 children have ADHD
    1:5 teens had episode of Mental illness
    1:8 children have IBS
    1:50 children have Autism
    1:100 children have Epilepsy (seizures)
    1:250 children have Tourettes Syndrome
    1:400 children have Diabetes
    1:775 babies DIE of SIDS
    1:1,000 children have Celiac Disease
    1:5,560 children have CANCER
    168 Deaths following vaccines reported to VAERS every year.

    ZERO deaths from Measles (in USA).

    Polio is a serious illness but measles, mumps, rubella, chickenpox, rotovirus, whooping cough are not. And before vaccines were invented these illnesses were listed in medical textbooks as
    BENIGN Childhood diseases. They only became “deadly” when Pharmaceutical Co developed vaccine

    And why to NEWBORNS have to vaccinated for Hepatitis B – A SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASE?
    I don’t think any frum Jews need to vaxxed for Hep B – but we are FORCED to anyway.

    doomsday
    Participant

    Regarding Klinefers Syndrome:

    β€œIntelligence is usually normal;”

    Nobody would say about Down Syndrome or any other Proven Genetic Retardation that
    “intelligence is usually normal”.
    Therefore Klinefers is NOT Genetic Retardation.

    So ALL PROVEN GENETIC RETARDATION has ABNORMAL FACIAL Features.
    Autism does not.
    Which is evidence that Autism is NOT primarly Genetic.

    ALL PROVEN GENETIC RETARDATION – the rate is about 1:10,000 except for Downs 1:1,000.
    AND THE RATE HAS NOT CHANGED.
    Because Genes do not change in 1-2 generations.

    There is No Such Thing as a Genetic Epidemic!

    And we have an AUTISM EPIDEMIC – that is being caused by something in
    the Environment – like Vaccines.
    And the Autism Epidemic started when the CDC QUADRUPLED THE VACCINE SCHEDULE!

    doomsday
    Participant

    Ubiquitin:β€œLets return back to the SAFE Vaccine Schedule of FOUR Vaccines instead of 70+…Yet you maintain that this assertion of yours is impossible to disprove since a study that would show no difference between 4 vs 5 vaccines is not relaible becasue it is not β€œvaxx vx non-vaxx”

    There is no contradiction.
    Medicine and Vaccines have both Benefits AND RISKS. Read any drug/vaccine insert.
    Just because taking 4 pills is safe, does not mean taking 70+ pills is safe.
    Do I really need to explain this to you? Really???

    In the 1960s and 1970s when there were only 4 vaccines usually given at age 5 when starting school,
    American Children were MUCH, MUCH, MUCH HEALTHIER then today’s children.
    And nobody was dying from measles, polio, diptheria, chicken pox, mumps etc.
    And Autism was 1:10,000 – not 1:50. And there was hardly any learning disabilities, ADHD, Childhood Diabetes, Childhood Cancer, Allergies, Epilepsy etc.

    Regarding testing it is SCIENTIFIC to test vaxxed vs unvaxxed.
    That is how it was proved Smoking causes cancer – they didn’t test 3 pack smokers vs 4 pack smokers.

    doomsday
    Participant

    RebYid: Prove that ADHD is a real disorder.

    There is no genetic marker/blood test for ADHD.
    Just like there is no genetic marker/blood test for Autism.
    Both Autism and ADHD began skyrocketing when CDC QUADRUPLED the Vaccine Schedule.
    Vaccines are the main culprit in both.

    doomsday
    Participant

    Folks, Dihydrogen Monoxide , is just another name for Water.

    Brains of Non-Autistic Children and Non-Alzheimers Elderly DON”T have high level
    of aluminum – which probably came from VACCINES that are pushed on everyone
    but ESPECIALLY Pregnant women, Babies and little children and ELDERLY!

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