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To answer the original question, HaRav Avigdor Miller zt”l says that yes. The 12 do correspond to the 12 shevotim. This signifies that, as a son of Avrohom Ovinu, Yishmo’el could have gained some parallel to the shevotim, but didn’t. You can check it out in HaRav Miller’s sefer on Bereishis, “The Beginning”.
actually, the ASSISTANT principal/coordinator of mezuraz, mrs. rosenberg…
another suggestion is that yenta (unlike aidel – which would translate as adina) is related to juanita, meaning “gift of G-d”, or “G-d has been gracious”. that would be related to yonoson and yochonon for a boy…
my grandmother was yenta, my sister is yenta, i gave my daughter yenta with an additional name (name of mother of my grandmother yenta). yenta was always a beautiful yiddishe name, but was in the past decades turned into something it never meant. it’s unfortunate, but needs to be dealt with. the additional name gives the option of not using yenta (or using it together, if so desired by the child).
moderator, what was wrong with my reply? why did you reject it?!
from everything i hear, mezuraz is harder to get in to, but majorly worth it!
i’m surprised no one has written about Bais Yaakov Mezuraz here yet! if you’re looking for a more serious place for half a year – as it seems happy2bme, ontheball, and others are – there’s no place like Mezuraz! it’s the most amazing place, the BEST teachers, great crowd, out-of-this-world principal! it’s serious, high-level and FUN!!!! check it out!
gefen: BY Mezuraz is greater than it ever was!
BY mezuraz definitely is somewhere near the top on this… Absolutely amazing teachers, and great group!
789jkl, how about mayanot, in jerusalem?
look into beis yaakov mezuraz. it’s a 5-6 month program, and cuts the cost by almost half. it’s also a really great seminary. check it out.
daas yochid, nice marei mekomos. thanks! The Butchatcher ends off not to change from the siddur, and that a woman should also say ‘goy’ and ‘eved’.
da’as yochid: My recollection is that R’ Shlomo Zalman says NOT to say moda ani. can you please give us the exact source?
hello99: I am well aware of R’ Ovadya’s statement. Still, as the Chok Uz’man brings, there are 4-5 gedolei sfard including the famous chupas chasanim and R’ chayim falaji who do bring this hanhogoh l’ma’aseh. as aishes chayil brought earlier, she is personally familiar with at least one sfardi who has this hanhogoh from sfardi circles. you may be unaware that r’ ovadya’s way has been to be m’vatel completely any sfardi hanhogo he is unfamiliar with or is not part of his local mesora. the particular statement of his that you are quoting was written in response to sfardi women who WERE keeping nittel… and he wants to be mevatel the long-standing minhog by saying it wasn’t heard of. the facts remain otherwise. i personally wrote a letter to R’ ovadya and his son R’ Yitzchok asking how he could say this if there are 4-5 famous sfardi rabonim who write to keep nittel. got no response from either of them…
as far as nittel in lita, as i wrote, check out chok uz’man who seems to have seen everything in nitei gavriel, and did his own research confounding this statement of his.
Once again: derech hamelech is right! and according to the Rosh I quoted earlier metro driver is unfortunately not! The story metro is discussing was about an earlier Yeishu, who was ALSO from Nazareth, but lived centuries before J—s, in the time of R’ Yehoushua ben p’rachya. the story in Sanhedrin (in chesronos hashas) is about the (in)famous J—s, who died around 2010 years ago at the very END of bayis shaini. As well known (and recorded in the Gemora), in the last decades of bayis sheini, beis din no longer implemented the death penalty. The Roman empire did, though… It would be an interesting question if when the Romans crucified Yoshke it was within those last decades or immediately before…
Aishes: we are not limited in how many resho’im to insult 🙂 the first yeishu hanotzri commented to his Rebbe and friends about the beauty of a woman they encountered, and when his rebbe reprimanded him he became insulted and went off to find some avoda zora to serve. the second yeishu had enough of his own problems as well…
shticky: what you are bringing is a drush. the pashtus remains that notzri means from nazareth. that’s also why we have more than one individual being referred to that way, although only one has the issue you are referring to. in addition, even the plain meaning of notzri – ‘nazarene’ – refutes their fantasy that he was from bethlehem, a detail they would like to use to have him coming from ‘the davidic line’ which supposedly was in the bethlehem area. how that fits with their claim that he had no father etc. is another discussion.
aishes: the second one. the famous ‘nazarene’, (who was obviously from nazareth, not bethlehem), lived at the very end of the second beis hamikdosh (until around 2010 years ago). R’ Yehoshua ben P’rachya lived centuries earlier, towards the beginning of the second beis hamikdosh.
Apushatayid aishes etc.:
tos’fos horosh writes that there were two different people referred to as yeishu hanotzri (which only means that his name was yehoshua and he came from nazareth). the first was a talmid of R’ Yehoshua ben P’rachya. he got insulted and therefore served an idol, as detailed in the gemora. the second was many generations later, and he practiced black magic and sorcery, and tried to missionize among the lower class of Jews. he is discussed in chesronos hashas on sanhedrin.
hello99: chok uz’mahn was ABSOLUTELY NOT written by a belzer chosid, and the mekoros he brings there (especially in his letter in the hosofos in the back of the sefer) are not of people who learned in ponovizh, but of those who learned in kelm, telz, kletzk etc., with their names, so with all due respect to your rebbeim, they obviously don’t know everything about lithuanian history. besides, as others have already testified here, the minhog was widespread across the Jewish world, including by many sfardim. even if you are very thin-skinned, you are still factually wrong in your claim that “as I said it was never the minhag except by Chassidim, don’t care which seforim mention the concept”… what you care about or not is irrelevant…
hello: prove it. i already proved you wrong. if r’ chayim falaji says it’s a sfardi minhog, will you argue? if the korbon n’san’el and the chasam sofer say it’s minhog ‘ashkenaz’ will you disagree? if the chok uz’man brings that it was the minhog in Vilna, and R’ yisroel salanter kept it, what do you have to say? bombastic (and ignorant) statements like “as I said it was never the minhag except by Chassidim, don’t care which seforim mention the concept”, just won’t cut it this time.
As far as “the inyan brought in the seforim not not learning but refraining from something else”, you are right about the ‘refraining from something else’ part, but wrong about the ‘not not learning’ part. both were kept and recorded everywhere. check out the mar’eh mokom instead of just blowing.
BLUEPRINTS; You’re 100% right!
hello99: that’s where you’re mistaken. look in the sefer chok uz’man on hilchos nida and you’ll find many clear mekoros discussing nittel in ALL of the places you mentioned. The sources of this minhog go all through the t’kufos of the Rishonim, kadmonim, down to ach’ronei ach’ronim, and in ALL parts of k’lal Yisroel… (MAYBE besides the Teimonim)…
charliehall: “I try to… why wouldn’t I?” This is not about you…
In most of the world, the old minhog of nittel is actually observed this year Thursday night of Parshas Bo (Jan. 6th). Either way, if you have a specific minhog to keep it on the 25th of Dec. or on the usual date, it applies to Shabbos as well (Ta’amei HaMinhogim – about the Chidushei HoRim; Shu”t Divrei Yisroel – (also quotes Arugas HaBoisem, Chuster Rov); RaShab of Lyubavitch – quoted in Nit’ei Gavriel; Ahavas Yisroel of Vizhnitz – quoted in K’dosh Yisroel etc.)
WORLDWIDE – including BP – wherever there’s a Skvere mikve, as in 17th Ave. in BP, it’s open 24/7/365
I really liked the old way much better. I’m bothered by having only 5 “top” news stories, and then having to check through several different lists. I liked having everything in one long (big-worded) list.
yasher ko’ach “ben levi”! i’m starting to feel like i’m on this liberal american site where ‘am hanivchor’ is a dirty word. “we are all equal. live and let live. everyone’s entitled to his/her own opinion”. we are not the ones who decided who should be chosen or indeed, that anyone should be chosen. that was HKB”H’s decision as detailed countless times in the Tora. And so, to make the stupid comparison between Moshe Rabeinu’s ta’ana on HKB”H regarding His beloved and adored Chosen People, whom He had JUST sent Moshe Rabeinu to SAVE, and between the Ovdei A”Z in Haiti – as Shais Taub (One “Rabbi”) does, is just a sign of flattery toward Liberal secular Jews, and Goyim.
Actually, though, this whole approach to tragedy (“it just CAN’T make any sense, it just CAN’T be understood, it just CAN’T be any message”) comes from the difficulty we had after the Holocaust when noone was willing or able to accept or understand what HKB”H did to our – His – people then.
However, in reality, EVERY tragedy – including the Holocaust – is meant to send PEOPLE a message: “Hayoser goyim HALO YOCHI’ACH? HAMELAMED odom da’as!!” “Ashrei hagever asher t’yasrenu koh UMITOROSCHA T’LAMDENU!” “Rak b’einecho sabit, v’shilumas r’sho’im tir’eh!”
The only reason Moshe Rabeinu couldn’t understand what was happening in Mitzrayim was because we were already in the stage of ge’ula! He had just ben sent to SAVE us, and this suffering was part and parcel of the ge’ula and the BENEFIT for US! For such understanding one must see, feel, understand Hashem’s ENTIRE PLAN in advance! This was something Moshe did not yet understand at that time.
Besides, it is always beneficial and praiseworthy for a Jewish leader to argue WITH HASHEM that he can’t accept any suffering on k’lal Yisro’el, and that they should always be the recipients of obvious compassion and open good. We find the same later with Gid’on, who was chosen by Hashem for the very reason: that he displayed his love for HASHEM’S BELOVED CHILDREN by arguing With HASHEM for our benefit. We NEVER find, on the other hand believing Jews saying such things to the PEOPLE! We do find apikorsim doing that… So, if someone wants to talk to Hashem or his tzadikim about the subject, by all means, go ahead!
R’ Shmuel Birnbaum and Harav Avigdor Miller z”l were far from the only ones who were in Europe in the leadup to the Holocaust, lost family, friends and Rebbes there, and still went on to explain publicly and privately “lecho Hashem hatz’doko, v’lonu boshes haponim”. A lesson is a lesson, and going back to what ALL gedolei Yisroel warned BEFORE the destruction is one good place to start learning from.
Instead, the mantra became “it just CAN’T make any sense, it just CAN’T be understood, it just CAN’T be any message”, which, wonder of wonders, now carries over to HAITI as well! And Moshe Rabeinu’s ta’ana becomes an argument for the goyim of HAITI!!!
The first lesson, then, for some people, should be “hoyoh lo lilmod v’lo lomad!!!!!!”