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TVOP -“Almost non existent. Especially with whatever treatments they do have available…don’t go by my word, just look up the numbers…”
From you on pg. 1:
“I don’t believe he tells older people not to take it, as the benefit outweighs the potential risk, but for a young healthy person he wouldn’t encourage.”Typical Anti-Vaxxer Manipulation!
In only the USA from Jan.2020 till now, there were around 36,000 Deaths from Covid with people under 50 YO.
It consists of all ages, but babies are the least amount.
Now you go figure out the Rest of the World!Are you the type that believes Covid is Not worse than a Cold?!?
AAQ -“So, how can you avoid hashash of being a partner with CCP if you sincerely believe in Ivermectin cure? Very simple. Detach the drug from the other ideas: go help people to get vaccines, wear masks, organize outside minyanim, and THEN offer Ivermectin to those who still get sick. Then, people will be more likely to take your arguments seriously.”
I agree with that, But, I mean a Big But, there are always people that won’t get Vaxxed, for Whatever reason.
Why are the Genocidal Government Not letting them get Other Treatments?!?
There are a few cases that families have gone to Court.This is Showing – we don’t care about your life, and we are Worse than Commy Countries!
From my previous post:
“We are in this Pandemic, because the Government won’t acknowledge other therapies!”RE – On Erev Yom Kippur – I heard the Klausenburg Rebbe talking about this. He said YK is like Purim.
I didn’t stay to hear the whole thing.There’s a lot of Torah on this subject. Purim is Avodah from Ahava, while YK is from Yira.
Btw – This is before he moved to Netanya.
TVOP -“but for a young healthy person he wouldn’t encourage.”
That’s nice in a normal world.
But if you don’t Vaxx, there aren’t a lot of treatment options.
In this country – a lot of hospitals have nixxed Ivermectin and other things that work.
So with the Delta variant and No vaccine, the choice becomes a good chance of death, not just an issue of infertility!TU -” do you prescribe Ivermectin (or any of the other FLCCC protocol drugs)?”
If the need would arise.
I posted this above:
“I personally don’t see a lot of patients with Covid 19, so I use Quercitin & Zinc.
I used another drug with a pt. with double pneumonia, along with zinc, so the pt. didn’t have to go to the hospital.”In the case of the double pneumonia, the pt. was already seen by PCP’s, they came to me so they didn’t have to go to the hospital.
The pt. was already on Zinc & possibly Quercitin. And the pt. had already Remeron and was taking a steroid.
Pulse Ox was in the 80’s.
And 2 hours later after I gave the drug, it was in the 90’s.
I’m not naming the drug, because our Genocidal Government is still studying it.
But the one time I used it, it worked in 2 hours.
I’m related to the pt. – so I was able to follow the case.Syag -“COVID, on the other hand, can potentially impact fertility.”
“I’m pretty sure you just made that up”I’m not him, so I don’t know if he made it up or not.
But I’ll tell you, a lot of Viruses cause Infertility!It’s too early to tell if CoV-2 causes infertility.
The first Coronavirus called SARS does:
“Xu J, Qi L, Chi X, Yang J, Wei X, Gong E, Peh S, Gu J. Orchitis: a complication of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) Biol Reprod. 2006;”Now they are doing research on Coronavirus #2:
“Shen Q, Xiao X, Aierken A, Liao M, Hua J. The ACE2 expression in Sertoli cells and germ cells may cause male reproductive disorder after SARS-CoV-2 infection. OSF Preprint. 2020.”So these Anti-Vaxxers will say & do anything to make sure that you don’t vaccinate!
For right Now – the best thing is to vaccinate for Reproductive Health!
Doesn’t mean that this guideline will Never change.Maybe I shouldn’t have let the Cat out of the Bag, because anybody reading YWN CR, some of them, will run to get Vaxxed.
Now I know why there are 2 org. that deal with Infertility, instead of just one, in the Frum community.
We must have a lot of Anti-Vaxxers!DY -“Yeah but you’re pro vax.”
I’m a real Clinician. I believe in preventing disease and when disease occurs, helping the patient get better.
There are very few like me, but there are a few.Phil -“Health, everyone is entitled to interpret reality as they see ii. My conclusions are based on facts,”
So what?!?
But it doesn’t change that my post are theories. Yours also is a conspiracy theory!
But mine is more logical & palatable.
1. Because Coronavirus tends to jump from animals to humans. The more we know about this virus – the more we can find therapies to combat it.
2. To appease the public. I’m not sure if working on Bio – weapons is even legal here?!?
3. Simply, every once in awhile, Pandemics occur in this world.
We had the Spanish flu around 1918 – 1920.
It was High – Time for another.
4. He probably arranged that, because he didn’t want anyone to know that he was working with the Chinese Wuhan Lab.
5. Bill Gates is a Nut Job.
He’s been predicting population decline for 20 years.
He wants to Depopulate the World.
So it’s wishful thinking on his part.DY -“so was the pro Ivermectin study. So make up your mind, do you believe in debunked studies or not?)”
You gotta read all the posts here, before you comment!
There are a lot of Studies that Ivermectin works.
Stop focusing on what you hear or see on the News!
Check out:
http://www.c19early.com &
Ivermectin in the Journal (American) of Therapeutics!DY -“We know the government is evil and genocidal, but why are they so stupid to kill off their own people and have the right wingers survive??
I answered this already:
“Fauci is an opportunist.
He worked for the government his whole life – now he wants to retire.
If he okays Repurposed Drugs, he won’t have anything, besides his retirement.
So he makes a deal with a Pharmaceutical company – he’ll get a Kickback.
So he only allows Remesivir, not anything else!
Remesivir costs thousands per patient, while let’s say Ivermectin, would only cost a few Dollars per a patient.”UJM -“The Biden Administration politicized the vaccination program by pushing it stronger than acceptable. By forcing recovered Covid patients and forcing children (!!!) to get the vaccine.”
Who Cares?!?
That’s like Saying Castro did something to the Cuban people.
We are Not a Free country anymore!
Go listen to VP Pence on the way Biden & Co. are talking about the vaccines.DY -“I probably did get the Delta varient. Even though I got two doses of Moderna.”
So is this a contradiction to my post or you didn’t understand it or you agree with me?!?
DY -“Health: According to an antibodies test I took, I had strong spike protein antibodies levels”
Well maybe you got the Delta variant.
The vaccines help with this variant – because it produces Antibodies that directly attack the Covid 19 Virus.Phil -“The coronavirus was deliberately released after decades of experimentation and development with the knowledge and cooperation of the the US and Chinese governments. Etc.”
Enough with conspiracy theories!
This is what I believe what happened:
The Wuhan lab was sloppy & released a Bio Weapon by accident.
Trump pushed very hard to get vaccines, as quickly as possible!Fauci is an opportunist.
He worked for the government his whole life – now he wants to retire.
If he okays Repurposed Drugs, he won’t have anything, besides his retirement.
So he makes a deal with a Pharmaceutical company – he’ll get a Kickback.
So he only allows Remesivir, not anything else!
Remesivir costs thousands per patient, while let’s say Ivermectin, would only cost a few Dollars per a patient.DY -“It works as intended – after getting my second shot, I got Covid.”
I hope no one believes you, because the Anti-Vaxxers are clinging to any excuse Not to get Vaccinated!
According to VP Pence, you can’t talk to the American people, like Biden did.I miss those days when we had Real leaders.
BTW, even after 2 Covid vaccines, it takes a while for the Antibodies to build up.
But I didn’t miss your sarcasm.Now the Media is picking up the Anti- Ivermectin from the government, just like they did with HCQ.
From Time magazine at the end of August:
“How ‘America’s Frontline Doctors’ Sold Access to Bogus COVID-19 Treatments—and Left Patients in the Lurch”When did the US become a Regime , like Cuba?!?
AAQ – “What is the claim specifically? I looked up Mexico, and their cumulative deaths are same as USA, their case fatality rate is several times higher than USA.”
I’m not TU, but I did search for you.
It comes out that there is a YouTube video about this from Dr. Campbell.
It seems that they did a quasi – study with Ivermectin.
It was Pre-hospital.
The pts. that got Ivermectin we’re significantly less likely to be hospitalized.
I didn’t watch the whole video, but I’d assume that they found the same results in Peru & India?!?AAQ -“Health, Cochrane is a long time established source for meta-reviews. If you suspect them of foul-play, please look at their study and tell us what lead them to a different conclusion than you other meta-study, and then we can ponder who is more reasonable.”
The first site I posted – http://www.c19early – maybe you can say that.
But I did more research and I found From the Journal (American) of Therapeutics, what I just posted.
BTW, I did look at Cochrane, and I saw only 3 authors.You must go to Ivermectin in the Journal (American) of Therapeutics!
It’s a very thorough analysis of the Ivermectin studies.I personally don’t see a lot of patients with Covid 19, so I use Quercitin & Zinc.
I used another drug with a pt. with double pneumonia, along with zinc, so the pt. didn’t have to go to the hospital.We are in this Pandemic, because the Government won’t acknowledge other therapies!
We now are under the Fake Person called Biden.
It’s because of our Sins.So we have s/o that posts to me here, because I corrected him on the Usage of the term of “Cure”.
The fact is the Government should stop saying Ivermectin is not useful.
If you don’t use it & the patient is deteriorating – at the least – it’s Negligence and at the Most – it’s Genocide!2scents -“CONCLUSION
As synthesized in the Cochrane systematic review and meta-analysis, the current evidence for the use of ivermectin in COVID-19 does not suggest any clear benefits in either inpatients or outpatients with respect to mortality, clinical
improvement, or viral clearance”Maybe they became a political group to please the US government and the WHO?!?
From the Journal (American) of Therapeutics:
“Ivermectin treatment versus no ivermectin treatment:
Twenty-two trials (2668 participants) contributed data to the comparison ivermectin treatment versus no ivermectin treatment for COVID-19 treatment.
All-cause mortality:
Meta-analysis of 15 trials, assessing 2438 participants, found that ivermectin reduced the risk of death by an average of 62% (95% CI 27%–81%) compared with no ivermectin treatment [average RR (aRR) 0.38, 95% CI 0.19 to 0.73; I2 = 49%]; risk of death 2.3% versus 7.8% among hospitalized patients in this analysis, respectively. Etc.”TU -“The only illiterate individual here is you, who wishes to ignorantly blather on about “there is no cure etc” and other such nonsense.”
The fact that you are posting to me – shows your Extreme Haughtiness!
It’s not a cure, but a therapy.
It’s obvious that you’re a Paper Pusher, Not a Clinician.I’m the only one on this site that says Ivermectin is okay to use for Covid 19.
NOT AAQ, not 2scents and especially Not the Government!
From my post on page 1:
“Ivermectin from a Meta-analysis –
69% improvement”2scents -“CONCLUSION
As synthesized in the Cochrane systematic review and meta-analysis, the current evidence for the use of ivermectin in COVID-19 does not suggest any clear benefits in either inpatients or outpatients with respect to mortality, clinical
improvement, or viral clearance”That would be in a perfect World.
But I guess the powers that be – Don’t realize that we are in a Pandemic!?!So I’m Not proposing that e/o should be Forced to take other treatments, like they are doing with Vaccines, but Clinicians should have the options to get it and be covered by Insurance.
I’ll give an example – When Cuomo was Emperor/Governor – NYS issued an order to Pharmacies that HCQ can’t be given out for Covid 19.
This is called Genocide.
Who is he to determine what therapies work or Not?!?
It works better than Redemsivir!
See http://www.c19early.com!2scents -“Initial trial indicating a quicker recovery for those with Redemsivir, the data was significant which is probably why they approved it.”
“Hydroxychloroquine in Nonhospitalized Adults With Early COVID-19
A Randomized Trial
Conclusion:
Hydroxychloroquine did not substantially reduce symptom severity in outpatients with early, mild COVID-19”You really gotta go to that site to see the Truth about how the Genocidal Government says to treat COVID-19.
From that site a Meta-analysis:
“Hydroxychloro..
Early treatment – 64% improvement
0.36 [0.28-0.46]
31 total studies
54,621 patients.”Even with all Studies – HCQ was a better % than Redemsivir!
There is no early study on Redemsivir.
From that site a Meta-analysis (in-hospital):
“Redemsivir – 22% improvement from 20 total Studies.”Please Stop defending the Genocidal Government!
2scents -“The one larger study was done by Elgazzar that showed promising results has been retracted for fraudulent data issues (this is why studies are peer-reviewed, to prevent studies like Elgazzars study from being used as a reference).”
So exclude that one!
“Most other studies do not meet the basic criteria of being accepted as quality studies.
So at this point, more data is needed to demonstrate if Ivermectin is effective or not.”Yes, I stand by all my posts!
It’s obvious to me that you believe everything the Government says.
Stop believing them.
You really got to go to c19early.com, before you come back here to post.From that site on Ivermectin:
From a lot of Studies – it’s called a Meta-analysis.
“Early treatment
69% Improvement
0.31 [0.21-0.46]
Treatment – 52/2,599
Control -222/2,640
69% improvement”OD -“So what’s the medical basis for a human-dose of Ivermectin being clinically useful.”
I just was listening to a video that had Dr. Malik on from the FLCCC.
I previously posted a question here – why they approved Redemsivir and Not Other therapies that work better?
He was talking about Ivermectin.
He said both the US Surgeon General, NIH, FDA, & the WHO came out against Ivermectin.He gave the answer, that makes sense, Ivermectin can be obtained from the WHO for around 2-3 cents a pill.
While Redemsivir costs about 2 – 3 grand per pt. per full treatment.
So it comes out – Not just the US Government is into Genocide, but also the WHO!
I should have thought of the Chazal that says Goyim are Choshet on Rezicha.TU -“This is because a study, by its very nature, is a rigid one-size-fits-all (in order to reduce the potential of confounding variables) – everyone gets the exact same dose of the exact same drugs and does not get any other treatments whatsoever. ”
You simply Don’t know what you’re talking about!
Go to that website and see the studies on Ivermectin.
The studies have different doses. Some are the same dose, but very few.
And some are retroactive.
A lot of them have combined other therapies“I know of many, many docs who used Ivermectin for >year, most haven’t lost a single patient.”
That’s great – did they do a Study?
Do you actually practice medicine, or you just have degrees, or None of the Above?!?Nothing is a Cure for Covid 19.
I hate repeating myself.
You’re like the Government – all you need is Vaccines and you’ll be fine.
Or like the Anti-Vaxxers – Covid 19 is Not worse than a Cold!The Truth is – you need a lot of therapies.
From http://www.c19early.com:
“Ivermectin:
Randomized Controlled Trials – Early treatment 31 studies – they found a 64% (avg. total) improvement.”TU -“1) “Ivermectin hinders binding of SARS-COV2 spike protein at the ACE2 receptor . Ivermectin
binds not only to the virus spike, but also to the ACE2 receptor (yes, more strongly than
remdesivir)…Etc.”That’s very nice, but it isn’t a cure. Nothing is!
Remdesivir is a joke.
I already posted one of 2 reasons why the Government & Fauci approved it.
Either they got a Kickback or they want to Depopulate the World!That’s all in-vitro, not in-vivo.
If you would have gone to the site I posted -“c19early. com” – you’d see it’s less than Quercitin.
For the Umteenth Time:
“Quercetin –
Improvement:
76%
Studies:
4
Ivermectin –
Improvement:
67%
Studies:
63
Etc.”AM -“Meanwhile, since forever, whenever you tell doctor’s that you take a supplement, their response is usually, “supplements don’t have studies to show their effectiveness. They might not work.””
Change PCP’s.
Nowadays the medical professionals include Supplements in their practice.
This is the way they are taught nowadays.
The old timers haven’t been trained in the New way of thinking!FS -“Most of the RCT’s on that website for ivermectin have extremely small samples and/or data quality issues.”
I really don’t know what your purpose of your post is.
That’s why I call Fauci and the rest of the government Genocidal!Let me explain you something – these vaccines are Not the solution.
I think it’s a start – I’m not against them.There are many other Drugs that are useful for treating Covid 19.
Eg. – Zinc & Quercitin.
That’s how you practice medicine.
Eg. – If one antibiotic isn’t working, you try another. It helps if you do a C & S.
That’s with Bacteria, Covid is a Virus.If you go to the site I provided -“c19early. com” – click on Ivermectin.
I’m not gonna post the whole site, but this portion on Ivermectin:“All studies 58% 63studies 92.1% 1 in 1 trillion 68% improvement – RR 0.32 [0.25‑0.40] p < ”
It works.
So does other therapies that are posted on http://www.c19early.com.FS -“A meta-analysis is only as good as the studies that it is using. If the studies are bad, then the meta-anlysis is also bad. If you look at that paper, it includes the paper that was retracted due to fraudulent data and since that paper had the strongest effects, the meta-analysis would need to be completely re-run. Indeed, the authors of another meta-analysis published around the same time in Open Forum Infectious Diseases have already retracted their paper and plan to reanalyze the data excluding the fraudulent studies.”
Are you part of the Genocidal Government?
If you go to the site I provided -“c19early. com”, you’ll see plenty of RCT on the efficacy of Ivermectin.
It works.
Stop letting people Die!OD -“But no studies or science back up what you’re saying”
Unfortunately, you have been misguided by the Genocidal Government, or s/o else.
I actually just had this discussion in the CR topic called “World’s Failure”.
Check out page 2 in that topic:
“So what happened was Medscape was quoting a different webpage.
Here it is:
c19early. com.
If you click on HCQ it brings you to c19hcq .com & it does that for all Drugs.
I’m Not going to quote the whole webpage.
Etc…”OD -“Can someone please explain the pharmacological basis for the claim that Ivermectin is a valid medication for the treatment or prevention of COVID-19?”
I really can’t teach you medicine.
I use Zinc & Quercitin for Covid 19.
The Genocidal Government doesn’t approve of Ivermectin.But I’ll tell you there are a lot of practictioners that use it.
I’ll tell you why.
Simply for a Layman:
Viruses need to replicate.
They do that by attaching themselves into Human cells.
They take over the cells in order to replicate themselves.
What if something is in the cell already?
That’s where Ivermectin comes in.
They have the ability to enter Human cells.
Therefore, when the virus enters, the Drug prevents it from taking over the cell.Ubiq -“I don’t know the answer to your question, but I’m not sure how relevant that is. There are lots of medications regarding which we are not sure the exact mechanism. If the data supports them working then they work and if not not.”
That’s because you waste your time Fighting with Cons on YWN CR.