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Assumptions:
1) Zero is not an option
2) Two identical numbers aren’t options:
Mr. Product: I do not know the numbers
The sum of the numbers can’t be a prime number, or 2.
Mr. Sum: I knew you didn’t know the numbers
No permutation of numbers totaling the sum of the two numbers will result in a unique product.
I.e. if Mr. Sum’s number was 56, then Mr. Product’s number could have been 159 (a unique 3 * 53 combination).
Mr. Product: Now I know the numbers
By Mr. Sum’s revealing that at least one possible sum’s permutation’s have no unique results, Mr. Product eliminates all numbers whose sum’s may have unique permutations, leaving only a single “no unique” possibility.
The sums whose every possible combinations of numbers result in a product whose product is shared by another two numbers are: 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, 16, 17, 19, 21, 22, 23, 25, 27, 29, 31, 35, 37, 41, 43, 45, 47, 49, 53
Now, the application of brute-force
Let’s say the numbers are 1 and 6.
The sum is 7, the product is 6.
For Mr. Sum, the numbers can be 1:6, 2:5, 3:4.
For Mr. Product, the numbers can be 1:6, 2:3.
Mr. Sum relizes that Mr. Product can’t know the solution since he may either have 6 (1*6 or 2*3), 10(1*10 or 2*5) or 12 (1*12 or 3*4) as his choices.
Once Mr. Sum reveals that he knew Mr. Product doesn’t know the answer, he eliminates 2:3 as a possibility (since 2:3’s sum is 5, and a sum of five may have resulted from 1:4, and with 1:4 Mr. Product would have known the answer).
Mr. Product has removed 2:3 from the possibilities, leaving only 1:6, so he knows the answer.
If Mr. Product’s number was 10, he couldn’t have eliminated anything, since both 7(1*6) and 11(1*10) are on the above list.
If Mr. Product’s number was 12, he also couldn’t have eliminated anything, since both 7(1*6) and 13(1*12) are on the above list.
Therefore, Mr. Sum relized that Mr. Product eliminated 2*3, leaving 1 and 6.
now I’ll read the resident maven’s solution
It’ll take me too long.
Go ahead with the answer, and I won’t look.
Still not there.
One more hour, please.
Dr. Pepper-
Does anyone mind if I give hint?
No hints or answers for another hour, please.
from the archives
Royals Defeat Giants
In a stunning upset the lightly regarded Royals defeated the heavily-favored Giants in dramatic fashion.
After being taunted regularly by the Giants leader, the diminutive Royals starter managed to deliver a knockout blow that no one could have seen coming. Although the Giant slugger appeared to have no weaknesses, the Royal hurler managed to find a chink in his armor that he took full advantage of. Before the stunned crowd knew what was happening, the battle was over and the mighty opponent had been decapitated.
This modest young man has shown coolness under fire and a refusal to be rattled that bodes well for in increased leadership role in the future.
Despite his modesty, we who witnessed this epic battle will never forget the stunning upset that occurred today, with the final score: Dovid Hamelech 1, Golyas 0.
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YW Moderator-80-
My own cut-and-paste job can be deleted since the original is available on the .pdf whose URL you allowed. This will also save me a little time tonight so I don’t have to cut, paste and format again 🙂
“david1999″s posts include the original point and his comments, and are therefore more useful (as “sammygol” said).
I would suggest the use of italics and bold-facing in his posts to make it easier to tell who is saying what.
I’d also suggest possibly breaking them up (if possible) into several shorter posts.
“aryeh3″‘s point is valid that care must be exercised to not be disrespectful, but it is certainly possible to have this machlokes in a perfectly OK manner.
WolfishMusings-
Thank you for the info re: Rabbi Yisroel Hirsch.
If I find something online related to learning and halocha which looks OK to me (knowledgeable, correct [frum] hashkofa) but I don’t know the author myself, I feel obligated to mention that fact as an implicit “check out his bona fides for yourself” disclaimer.
david1999-
“There are mechitzos encompassing Brooklyn on three sides at its waterfront. These include, gates, seawalls and the Belt Parkway.“
1) I assume when you say “there is no rabbim traversing them” you mean 600,000. Is this correct? (the belt at rush hour gets pretty busy)
2) Do you mean seawalls above ground level, or also those at ground-level, such as the the one next to the belt parkway where it abuts the water?
3) By “gates” do you mean Seagate’s wall or are there others as well?
As you can see, the hebrew lettering unfortunaly got reversed.
I can try this again tonight on my home PC which doesn’t have this problem.
For now I suppose you can leave it up (since it is mostly readable) or delete it.
Once I b’n paste the “fixed” version, this one can be deleted.
david1999-
Hi.
[Actually, Brooklyn has the added benefit that since our mechitzos are at the waterfront, even Rav Aharon would admit that they are sufficient since there is no rabbim traversing them.]
Are you referring to the Belt Parkway trenches and overpasses?
1) The issues involved are incredibly detailed and complex.
For those who are interested, the full document is available at:
http://shaareishalom.tripod.com/eruv.pdf
I request that this URL be allowed since it involves halocha and is very applicable to the discussion at hand. If you would prefer, I am willing to cut-and-paste the entire eleven-page document piecemeal.
tzippi-
haifagirl-
YW Moderator-80-
Thank you.
Seriously, as long as it’s not a security risk let ’em wear what they want.
Attention-Getting Quiz
2) The only difference in the green, yellow, red and purple variety of these vegetables is their stage of ripeness.
3) Capsaicin is an irritant in this device, used by law-enforcement agencies.
4) 1885 is the year a pharmacist invented this. After 1950 it was still produced, although it no longer had a point.
5) A Scoville scale will tell you this (not your weight).
6) A variety of spiced meat uses these for flavoring (not the seemingly eponymous food).
Tools: hand and powered (if not a liability problem)
Used cell phones: I think European phones must be unlocked by law.
Neckties: For simchos, interviews, etc.
Reading Glasses.
Buttons and thread.
Bentchers (for sheva brochos, etc)? (probably not, most people have a drawer full)
makes such a scene
Quick, hide that thing, silly, silly
in La Machine
This is an example of intolerance and small-mindedness at its worst.
Why, just as a practical matter they can warm you up on a chilly fall or cold winter day. What will these fanatics want to ban next? Down jackets? Hot chocolate?
Ban them? The nerve.
Yours truly,
icot
Dr. Pepper-
If I understand you correctly:
1) Put a nickel on a flat table.
3) If the six outer nickels are all touching the inner one, there is no way that each outer nickel can touch both adjacent ones, although they will come very close.
4) The total gap between the surrounding nickels is a function of pi. (That space is twice the decimal of PI [multiplied by a constant]).
Is the above correct?
Eventually there will be space(s) large enough for a nickel within the circle, and if the circle is completed by an odd number of coins the director will win.
You can ensure that there is never a circle with an odd number of coins or an unbalanced gap.
By putting your coin exactly opposite his, the gap in the circle must remain divided evenly between the two sides.
Dr. Pepper-
Fantastic!
You got the solution, and even described how to locate the exact center of the table, rather than just saying “put the first quarter in the middle”.
I didn’t get the answer to the puzzle, but the “chap” was so clever that I stored it in the vault.
As far as I can tell, this will work for any diameter table, except one so small that a second quarter can’t fit. If this is wrong, I’m interested in how/why.
(As an aside, I think one of New York’s professional sports teams is regularly enjoying celebrations which involve the use of your favorite constant – kain yirbu.)
NY Mom-
Jax-
Thank you.
To give credit where it’s due, “Don’t let RayGun near the button” was a Democrat slogan from the 1980 campaign (Their theme was that Reagan was a warmongering old fool, who would start WW III – there was another campaign ad showing a blinking red phone based on the same idea. Hey – “Daisy” worked vs. Goldwater [“Daisy” can be seen on youtube]).
I forgot:
Isoroku YamaMotorola
Advocate of Pearl Harbor radio silence, subsequently made a fortune in electronics.
Chiang Kai Shreck
Ogreish Chinese (later Taiwanese) leader. Must’ve had an obsession with the calendar, since he was often heard muttering about a “long March”, even though we all know that March always has 31 days.
ronrsr-
Lol (literally).
Excellent!
Alternate History
Abe Lean Con
The slim president who fooled enough of the people some of the time.
Jester Arthur
The funniest president. Some say his administration was a joke.
Harry True Man
The president who stuck to his guns. The buck stopped there.
Ronald Ray Gun
The Star Wars president.
Mikhail Garbage Off
The Soviet premier who had a career in sanitation.
Nikita Cruise Chef
Carnival cruise lines employed this ex-Soviet premier after he was deposed.
Dan Fourth Quayle
The position in his graduating class V.P. Quayle occupied (out of a class of three)
Isoroku Yummy Moto
The Japanese version of the Pillsbury Dough Boy.
Calvin Cool Lidge
Smearo T. Agnew
Millard Fill More
After his white house days were over, he opened a dental clinic.
James Knocks Polka
The president who hated accordion dances.
Pierre True Dough
Canadian prime minister, noted for his anti-counterfeiting efforts.
Pervez Moo Sheriff
Head law officer of the wild, wild east.
Mohandas Gumbi
Known for his flexibility, he was a leading proponent of non-violence.
A Google search for “remove silly putty from clothes” returns the following info on the top of the page:
Results 1 – 10 of about 20,200 for remove silly putty from clothes.
I suggest you try the search.
The first result:
Step 1
Lay the piece of clothing with the Silly Putty on it onto a flat surface and stretch the material until it is taut. It is important to have the material taut as it makes the process of removing the Silly Putty much easier.
Step 2
Depending on the size of the Silly Putty that is adhered to the clothing, you will need to soak a cotton ball or the tip of a cotton swab in rubbing alcohol. Once you have the cotton soaked with the alcohol, press it into the Silly Putty to transfer as much of the alcohol into the putty as possible. If necessary, repeat this step several times until the Silly Putty is thoroughly covered with rubbing alcohol.
Step 3
While ensuring that the material is still taut, gently scrape at the Silly Putty with a butter knife. The majority of the Silly Putty should come off the first time. You may need to reapply more rubbing alcohol and then repeat this step.
Step 4
Once the Silly Putty has been removed completely from the clothing, launder the clothing item as usual.
Years ago I froze the clothing, cracked off some of the putty, and repeated. This was pre-internet.
A600KiloBear-
Lol! Sounds like you’re referring to a really rollicking daf yomi shiur. Try hiding it in Nozir – no one will ever find it.
I never heard of “yayin soruf”, but google searches on “burned wine” and “burnt wine” brought up several hits. Is this what you’re looking for?
Dr. Pepper-
Bingo!
I solved it by realizing that you needed to put down the 43rd penny, which meant you needed to put down the 36th penny, etc. This method works, but is cumbersome.
Change is good: I
Correction: The player who takes the fiftieth penny wins.
Change is good: I
You will play the following game with one other player and a roll of fifty pennies.
Each player must take one to six pennies from the roll on alternating turns.
The player who takes the fiftieth penny loses.
You go first.
How many pennies should you remove on your first turn? Why?
(from a game magazine)
Change is good: II
The director of the U.S. mint challenges you to the following game:
1) No quarter may touch any other quarter.
Should you go first or second?
What should your strategy be?
(from an online puzzle site)
esmith92000-
“By the way, if you’ve ever had maple syrup, all maple syrup has bacon dipped into it while it is being boiled in large, shallow wooden pans … Rav Moshe, as well as other poskim, have said it is fine. If you don’t think it is, never use any brand of maple syrup.“
While I’m not familiar with Rav Moshe’s position on this, the following info makes it seem that lard is not used in the processing of kosher maple syrup:
2) At one point, maple sugar farmers would add small amounts of lard (pig fat) to the syrup to minimize foaming during the boiling process. More recently, however, virtually no maple sugar producers continue to do this: the ones who use stabilizers almost always use small amounts of vegetable oil. You can check to see if any stabilizers are used just by checking the nutrition facts. But if you are concerned about what kind of stabilizers are used, buying certified kosher maple syrup would definitely be a safe, pig-fat-free way to go.
3) It may be difficult to determine whether a particular brand of syrup has an animal or vegetable based defoamer. Most syrups do not use lard, with the exception of certain small-scale products. Brands which are kosher certified, such as Spring Tree or Maple Groves, are unlikely to contain animal products in their defoamers. Holsum Foods, which produces pancake syrup, also uses vegetable oil as a defoaming agent, and their product is labeled by food chains such as Dominick’s, Supervalue and Superfine.
The above info is cut-and-pasted from three different sites. I won’t include the URL’s since they are non-approved sites, but a google search can find them for you easily enough.
rabbiofberlin-
Sorry, I misunderstood your post and thought you were talking about when the element was active.
haifagirl-
Thank you for the info.
Your explanation makes sense.
rabbiofberlin-
I selected two articles that provided mareh mekomos for the info used in their conclusions, seemed knowledgeable, and provided differing conclusions just to show some insight to the issues involved. I know nothing about the authors of those articles.
I think an electric heating element is considered aish, according to most.
LeiderLeider…-
cherrybim-
When barbecuing or roasting, a trick that can be used to allow uneven cuts of meat to cook evenly is to chill the thinner part in ice water before cooking it. I would think that cold water, refrigerating the ingredients beforehand, or even putting ice cubes (instead of some water) in the cholent pot can accomplish the purpose of keeping the cholent inedibly raw until after the latest zman.
This is a question for your rov.
The Mishna Berura 253 discusses this concept, as well as the various stages of preparedness of cooked food that are allowed and are problematic.
Additionally, a coffeee-maker that audibly grinds the beans has a separate issue (also in the M.B. 253)
Here are some opinions on the issue, cut-and-pasted from other sites:
First Site (yeshiva.org.il)
Automatic Coffee Maker on Shabbat/Yom Tov
by Rabbi Jonathan Blass
Question:
May a person set a coffee pot on a timer before Shabbat to make coffee for Shabbat morning? If this presents a problem of Bishul, then can a person set a coffee pot on a timer to make coffee for a Yom Tov morning?
And, are either of the above two questions handled differently if the coffee maker is the type that both grinds the beans and makes the coffee automatically (as opposed to the “standard” machine which uses preground beans)?
Answer:
Second Site (eretzhemdah.org)
Question: May one set an automatic coffee maker on a timer so that it brews the coffee on Shabbat morning? (Obviously, the ingredients would be put in and the settings adjusted before Shabbat, and no electrical switches need to be pressed to remove the coffee.)
A final issue is that the Rama (OC 252:5, as opposed to the Shulchan Aruch, ad loc.) forbids operating from before Shabbat a mechanism that is forbidden to operate on Shabbat if it makes noise because it is degrading for Shabbat (avsha milta). It is permitted only if people often set up the mechanism in advance and thus there is no reason to suspect Shabbat desecration occurred (ibid., regarding a clock that chimes). Since coffee makers are usually not operated on a time delay, this could be a problem. However, most machines are probably not loud enough to cause a prohibition, which exists when it can be heard in another room (see Igrot Moshe, OC IV, 70).
There are (and will be) many models of coffee makers, so one must ensure that his meets all the requirements and not assume or quote us as giving a blanket leniency.
rabbiofberlin-
“As a matter of fact, ‘cholent” is cooked mainly during shabbos, as long as it is fulyl covered, etc.“
If I remember correctly, cholent has to be cooked to a certain degree before Shabbos. (I’m relying on my memory here, and don’t remember if ki’machal ben drusoi, mostly cooked, or some other shiur. If anyone can help with specifics it would be appreciated).
I didn’t know that instant coffee was pre-cooked, and was wondering why instant coffee must be added after the hot water if it’s already cooked since “ain bishul achar bishul”.
The star-k website addresses this: Note: Some opinions consider dry foods that dissolve when added to hot liquid a davar lach, a liquid. To allow for this opinion, it is better to put such additives only into a kli sheni after the hot liquid has been added. For example, it is best to first place hot water into a cup and then add instant coffee.
estherh-
Refuah shelaima bekorov.
I read that hypnotism can help with some of chemo’s side effects (I’m not a medical professional, this is something I read).
Googling “hypnotism chemo” brings up many links about this topic.
Gut Shabbos.
Gut Yom tov.
Gmar tov.
Sept. 24 historic events
1664 The Dutch Republic surrenders New Amsterdam to England.
1852 The first airship powered by (a steam) engine, created by Henri Giffard, travels 17 miles (27 km) from Paris to Trappes.
1869 “Black Friday”: Gold prices plummet after Ulysses S. Grant orders the Treasury to sell large quantities of gold after Jay Gould and James Fisk plot to control the market.
1957 The Brooklyn Dodgers played their last game at Ebbets Field before moving to Los Angeles for the next season.
1960 The USS Enterprise, the first nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, was launched at Newport News, Va.
1948 The Honda Motor Company is founded.
1957 President Dwight D. Eisenhower sends 101st Airborne Division troops to Little Rock, Arkansas, to enforce desegregation.
1991 Children’s author Theodor Seuss Geisel, better known as Dr. Seuss, died at age 87.
1996 U.S. President Bill Clinton signs the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty at the United Nations.
1998 Redesigned $20 bills meant to be harder to counterfeit went into circulation.
2005 Hurricane Rita makes landfall in the United States, devastating Beaumont, Texas and portions of southwestern Louisiana.
2007 United Auto Workers walked off the job at GM plants in the first nationwide strike during auto contract negotiations since 1976. (A tentative pact ended the walkout two days later.)
(no time for comments today)
my yingle just turned six; hence
he’s now learning bereishis
a chumash party made sense,
nothing ostentatious
the zaidys and the bubbys
sat in the back kvelling
the viber and their hubbys
enjoyed their kids’ tzushtelling
the party worked out just right
it was a great success
but then I was up all night
from noshing to excess
telegrok-
May she have a refuah shelaima bekoroiv, BE”H.
Please be aware that this site has a tehillim list that you can add her name to (if you haven’t already).
mepal-
Your rhymes were hilarious!
Thanks for the invite.
Poshite Yid 613-
areivimzehlazeh-
Yours, too.
(I seem to have inadvertently chosen a side in a major ch[u/o] [gong].)
squeak-
nu?
the.nurse-
sammygol-
Thank you.
Jack’s still nimble
Though now he’s bigger
Now he runs
From his sharp-tongued shvigger
Little Jack Finkel
Sat in a vinkle
eating his Hamantash
a bagel & lox
would be his first choice
but he has no kvertel to wash
Mirel Scheiner
Quite a whiner
how does your garden grow?
“my bluebell would make me kvell
it’s just that it grows so slow”
Mary had a little lamb
Her father was a farmer
It followed her to school one day
For lunch they had schawarmer …(shhh – don’t tell PETA about this one)
Old King Cole was a merry old soul
But one day he was feeling feeble
He asked his advisers to take a poll
If he should build a nearby shteeble
The shul came equipped with a top notch rov
to help the king daven to the one above
Also, for the singles it had a shadchan
& for when he was sad it had a member badchan
When davening finished (at 12 o’clock)
The oilam had a chulent – azah geshmak
The tzibur came from miles around
for the overnight kugel (thoroughly browned)
you can come on yomtov and buy an aliyah
our door’s always open, we’ll be happy to see ya
Leah Locket lost her pocket
Kayla Fish returned it
hashovas aveida was her goal
not the reward: she spurned it
Hey yiddle yiddle
your house is too little
can you add a second wine cellar?
to fit with our crowd
be rich and be loud
and have more cash than a Rockefeller
Hickory dickory dock
My sukkah came with a fine shlok
The rain goes by
But I stay dry
Hickory dickory dock
Hey diddle diddle
The man in the middle
The shadchan comes into the room
The young siblings laugh
At their big sister’s gaffe
When she says “IY’H by me soon”