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June 14, 2018 12:03 am at 12:03 am in reply to: Stop Eurovision song contest next year in Yerushalayim #1539174
I don’t get you. You seem very passionate but what exactly do you expect anyone to do about these things? What CAN anyone do and what can YOU do besides ranting on this site? Can anyone change the tzaros of the world? We get it and agree that Israel should have only purity but there isn’t much we can do about it.
When we entered EY we were commanded to obliterate avoda Zara. Imagine doing so now you would start a world war. Even back then didn’t some remain?June 13, 2018 11:46 pm at 11:46 pm in reply to: Is there a connection between unpaid Shadchanus and the blazing Shidduch crisis? #1539164
DY-“Not as many”
-why not?June 13, 2018 11:26 pm at 11:26 pm in reply to: Stop Eurovision song contest next year in Yerushalayim #1539134
@readynow-“THE EUROVISION SONG CONTEST NEXT YEAR IN YERUSHALAYIM must be stopped, as the contest and all that goes with it is not kaddosh.”
-how about you campaign against the toeiva parade that takes place in the Holy City of Jerusalem instead of fighting something that by chance happens once in who knows how many years. Eurovision also has no place in Israel but there are so many other things that are taking place in Israel right NOW that need to be stopped. The bahai temple in Haifa, arab villages, Jewish owned stores and buses operating on Shabbos, events and soccer games going on-on Shabbos, places of znus and pritzus, and who knows how many more Tamei’diche things going on in the Eretz Hakodesh.June 13, 2018 11:22 pm at 11:22 pm in reply to: Is there a connection between unpaid Shadchanus and the blazing Shidduch crisis? #1539142
wait, why would there always be a surplus of girls not married? If they are single and older, arent there also guys who are single and older willing to marry them? After all most older girls look for older guys not younger.
laskern-“Paper to write seforim and printing press to print it.”
-And ink/writing utensil . Actually reading and writing in general is just a huge factor of leading up to the world as we know it. Years back many people didnt even know how to read or write which nowadays we really take for granted. Writing down information and keeping track of records is a big step towards growing and learning from past mistakes. Any innovation requires these skills.
Aside from not attaining these skills, ink and paper was very scarce. Today we have paper in abundance and pens galore. Much more convenient than ink and quill .
Although the Jewish people were always advanced in this as we know the Torah was written thousands of years ago and the Jewish people have studied it and written commentary throughout the generations.
I only wonder though was Torah she’bealpeh handed down through oral tradition because of scarce resources or due to the simple folk not being adequate in reading? Or maybe a little bit of both?
Also in contrast to nowadays where we are accustomed to see many seforim and take it for granted, would Yidden back in the day jump in excitement when they came across a sefer since printed material was so scarce?
@Midwest2-“I agree with all those who mention all the advances in health and sanitation, that save lives every day.”
-As I mentioned earlier, any medical advances are undebatably important for our every day lives. So I refrain from mentioning them as they are an obvious given. No doubt that life was much harder to deal with in earlier generations due to conditions that got out of hand which nowadays are considered “simple” since there are medicines to combat them. Although in earlier generations they did have their ways of treating sicknesses, and especially can be seen by the Rambam’s vast knowledge and medicines. Many of these herbal medicines are forgotten but probably a lot are just evolved and used in different artificial forms such as pills and liquids which carry side effects as well. From what I understand many medical universities mention and learn the Rambams methods as part of the course.
“This is a great thread and the responses are funny and thought-provoking at the same time.”
Gamanit- hammers are a pretty basic tool. I’m pretty sure they were able to make tools in some sort of form.
Yitzyk-“How did they know to add salt to their food? or bake bread, grind wheat, or even to eat the fruit and not the wood and leaves of the tree?”
– a lot of these things are trial and error. Besides most inventions were stumbled upon by accident or by other intentions. You get an idea from something and then capitalize on it.
Regarding fruits and not leaves usually people are tempted by the color and aroma which sticks out more than the leaves and so people probably tried the fruits rather than the leaves. Regarding poisonus fruits or leaves I guess some people learned the hard way and then it became known.
You don’t even have to be in the past to understand how things worked. Just imagine yourself in a jungle or forest with no technology. You would basically be at the same time era as the the first days of the world.
We only feel so Superior and lucky (and we are fortunate) due to living in a society with technological aid and advancements. But even in today’s age, going into a forest to survive on your own with nothing, you are basically the same person as thousands of years ago. Even they had their methods so technically they were advanced in their own way as well.
But it just shows you that the way we live is almost an illusion since these “foundational” areas still exist in this world.
@jakob- many of the these great creations also have very negative sides to them. IE: Internet,Television broadcast,radio,cameras,facebook,”smart” products, etc.
Backup cameras…..so many less bumper knocks. Surprised how accurate it really is. Literally to the last centimeter.
DovidBT-“Or I suppose a bowl with a lid would accomplish the same thing as a food wrap. The wrap is merely more convenient.”
-The “LID”, another invention.
Time, changed the world a lot. Clocks, watches the ability to tell time. That’s probably one of the biggest things that shaped up the world.
Winnie-eyeglasses are more medical inventions. Anything that helps a person’s health is like oxygen so it’s more of a necessity since it is so crucial.
It’s a good point did people suffer less medically in the past than nowadays? Im not too sure about that.
yitzyk-every generation had their ways of living. Their were many medicines that they knew of from herbs and plants, ways to preserve food, travel, writing, haircuts, shoes, clothing and all. Things were more difficult and didnt go as far or as fast but they still managed. Especially when you dont know any better then its not as hard.
Imagine how we live nowadays, who knows what we are living without (or do we) but it doesnt affect us as much since this is all we know.
But thats why I put this topic out there. It is broad and covers a lot, thats the point.
DovidBT “How did people manage without food wraps? E.g., plastic wrap, wax paper, aluminum foil.
Did they use leaves or animal skins?”
-Are food wraps really that important? Probably one of the easiest things to live without. Besides most of those things are only needed due to other inventions such as oven, fridge, stovetop etc.
zahavasdad-“The Electric Light and Refridgerator is also pretty useful”
which is easier to revert to and get to keep the other?
Difficulty preserving food or using candles/fire for lighting?
facebook? More Good or more Bad?
Yes the world was always scary and bad and probably much worse in generations past. But calm winds are never guaranteed to remain as things can change. Besides you have to admit it’s quite disturbing to see blatant anti semites running for government positions speaking openly about how they feel regarding Jews. And all the incidents against Jews in the world and America are quite frightening especially in an age of “political correctness” and “tolerance”. It seems that the only tolerance that all the nations agree on is ganging up on the Yidden.
In a time where anyone can get their voice heard in mere minutes and slurs and hate speech can be shared across the world and spread like wildfire, it’s not a great situation when things go sour.
Fully transferring a car lease. As in totally off your name not just some pretend transferred ownership.
Is this brought up anywhere?
Neville what do you classify yourself as?
The nusach by Chasam Sofer was ashkenaz but I think he himself davenes from an Arizal siddur. He learned kaballah from Rabbi Nosson Adler.
Was the Arizal half sefardi from the mother side? But what difference if he was ashkenaz or sephardi? His nusach is based on kaballah isn’t it?
Avram the only reason I bring it up is because artscroll became standard in almost all shuls. That’s why I can’t just use another siddur to my liking unless I bring my own which I’d rather not.
Also when you flip to vihiy Noam you also have to flip back to aleinu so it back and forth. I haven’t seen this in any other siddur. It definitely isn’t ideal.
Again flipping one page to aleinu is really not a big deal. Do you complain about turning pages when you daven? So why would one extra page to turn be such a deterrence for you? Besides thats not the only issue. I don’t think everyone is so happy with the small robotic typefont. Like it was typed on word or something.
Laskern-Do you mean “Sefard” or “Sefaradi”? 2 different things. Many Ashkenaz or Chassidish daven sefard. Sefardim daven Sefaradi or Edot Hamizrach.
Didnt the Chasam Sofer daven from an Arizal siddur?
Also if we are always thinking about the Beis Hamikdash and trying to do things to get closer to it, how come the nusach was changed since then? Wouldnt that be the best way to daven since it was in the times of the Bayis actually standing? Or did we need to add to and change the words around in order so that this Beis Hamikdash would never be destroyed? Im half kidding.
Good point Dovidbt.
Avram- it’s not 5 pages extra. Somehow all other siddurim managed to squeeze it in right before aleinu without any issue. In face it’s usually separated on the bottom half of the page or uses up just one full page.
Flipping one page is much easier than 100. I know that they may have wanted to make a special section for motzei shabbos, but also including it in maariv as well would not have made the siddur that much thicker. If that’s too much they could also take out ashrei in mincha and just force everyone to flip to the ashrei in shacharis. No need to waste pages with duplicates.May 29, 2018 6:55 am at 6:55 am in reply to: Stop Eurovision song contest next year in Yerushalayim #1527838
@readynow- How? I ask. How can I stop the Eurovision please enlighten us all. Please!May 28, 2018 10:04 pm at 10:04 pm in reply to: Stop Eurovision song contest next year in Yerushalayim #1527795
Come on boys, no fighting
@little- with all due respect, shatz siddur isn’t practical for anyone to move around with. They are huge and heavy.
Regarding large print, I know there are publishers who make them but I was referring to why publishers don’t make large versions of their regular siddurim which people are used to using, rather than having to use a different version only because they have difficulty with the small print.
Avi, I know why airlines have weight limits, they claim safety issues. How dome then when you pay extra it suddenly becomes safe again to add more weight to the plane? I guess money IS magic.
Secondly I never said being early in Israel airport would make any difference. If they charge you when your last to board, for sure they would charge when there are still a lot of people to check in. I was jus pointing out that even when your flight is about to leave, they still hold you up and play games.
And I guess your right, when you already paying over 1000 dollars for a ticket, what’s anothr $300 to throw into the trash over nothing right?
Besides how does it make sense that extra 4 kilo or 8-10 lbs is $300 but a whole nother suitcase is half of that? Go figure.
That’s what I don’t understand why good siddurim and seforim just go out of print. If they are good why stop printing?
Also I don’t understand why different siddur prints don’t make a large font version of their siddur for people who need it. I’m sure there are enough alter Yidden or anyone who has difficulty with small font, who can use them.May 28, 2018 12:12 am at 12:12 am in reply to: Stop Eurovision song contest next year in Yerushalayim #1526764
Didnt Eurovision issue a statement- “eurovision 2019, dont buy your tickets just yet”. So who knows what they have up their sleeve.
i thought CR members arent supposed to reveal their identity
Going out of New Yorks JFK there is almost never an issue. Ive had some overweight and they usually dont care and if they do you can easily persuade them to let it through (long distance flights). This is never the case in Israel. A few extra pounds equate to $200-$300 are you serious? Even if you are late for your flight and the last one to board they will just not let it go. In NY it usually works to your advantage to be the last one at the counter they usually just take your bags and get you on the flight as fast as they can, no time for games. Many times they’ll even check in your carry on so you dont need the shlep it on the plane. Im not saying you should always be late just generally speaking.
Its especially annoying when israelis try to charge you up to space on extra weight and then when you get on the flight you see that its half empty. Is that the definition of hard time or what?
It just ruins your whole trip and flight back while you leave Israel remembering that last ugly experience and the rudeness you had to deal with. What a shame.
Daas- why would it be any different?
It kind of makes you just want to skip it rather than start searching for it or looking for the page number. Not sure why they do that.
uh ya Avi K Im pretty sure i dont.
Its a known fact that many israeli government offices are hard headed, so not sure what you were referring to. I have many friends who have had to deal with them and I myself once almost missed an elal flight coming back to ny since the israeli “supervisor” decided to charge me $300 for 7lbs overweight or not get on the flight. Obviously I didnt pay the bizarre fee of $300 and had to make a scene in order to get on the flight (thats their way of communicating). Of course he tried taking advantage since I am American and he thought i was a “fraier” as the israelis call it. So maybe come to ny and ask each and every one of us mechilla for falsely accusing someone.
Btw how does the Israeli Biometric Passport differ from the New USA Biometric Passport which is coming out. Does anyone know when it is coming out? I heard sometime this year. Are these passports safe or leave a person even more vulnerable to having their info hacked and spread everywhere?
For Visa not at all. I think they sometimes stamp you a 3 month visa which is probably not at all a problem to extend aside for their foolish fees.
Draft- were you sent a letter for joining army? If you live in America its usually not a problem to visit Israel. If you plan to move there its different. But even visiting can sometimes be a hassle (Israelis love giving a hard time)so best is just to get a “ptor” from the consul stating you live in US.
For all those supporting the Artscroll “swipeless” system, you are forgetting the fact that you have to swipe to vehi noam, on motzei Shabbos in between shemona esrei and Aleinu which is so annoying and takes you out of focus. Would it have been so hard to include it right after shemona esrei and aleinu just like almost all other “simple” siddurim?
Original tefillos maybe referring to times of Beis Hamikdash when there was a more established structure to davening. From what I understand though, it’s nusach Ashkenaz which most resembles it and dates back closest to Bayis Shayni
Winnie this is what I found on embassies (dot)gov.il
Please note that due to the Biometric Database Law, the Consulate may only issue regular passports and extend passports for up to 5 years. At this time, biometric passports may only be issued in Israel.
A regular passport for an adult is valid for 5 years from the date of issue. A passport cannot be extended beyond 5 years from the issue date.
So what would be the most “accurate” siddur nowadays or closest to the original tefillos?
Gadol-Wouldnt you daven your own nusach anyway?
Mutche- check their website again, the new law is they issue adult passports for 5 years only and then needs to be renewed.
Secondly as an Israeli you have to pay more taxes on renting a vehicle. I am referring to visiting Israel. If you only have an American you save yourself the extra tax I forgot which one it is.
By maintaining passports I meant having to renew every certain amount of years meaning trips to consul and mailing aside for paying unnecessary fees for something you don’t really need(Israeli) or which actually causes problems.
Especially with the Israeli laws constantly being made up on the spot at their convenience.
I’m applying all this to an American citizen living in US. Obviously living in israel an Israeli citizenship/passport has benefits. And even if citizenship doesn’t require a passport, you most likely will travel sooner or later. Besides I think if you make Aliyah they require you to get an Israeli passport.
Why is visiting Russia of such importance in contrast to the actual point of USA-Israeli citizenship?
Does anyone have any idea who composed these siddurim? Is it discussed anywhere? Was it any of the Rishonim, Achronim?