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To n0mesorah
Let me explain what I mean by militant Chabad. From my experience, all Lubavitchers believe that the Rebbe is Moshiach, that he’s a Novi and that he runs the world. What makes a Lubavitcher militant, in my mind, is if he has no regard for any non Lubavicher. This Rabbi called Rav Aharon Kotler, “Some Rabbi who opened a little Yeshiva in New Jersey.” About the Chafetz Chaim he said, “Had he been Chabad, he might have been something.” No I don’t mean militant in that he beats people up.
To CS
You’re absolutely correct that Moshiach will not take over from Hashem, the responsibility of running the world. I made an incorrect statement and checked myself. But here’s my question, “‘If you acknowledge that Moshiach will not usurp Hashem as the ruler of the world, why do you have no problem with cunin’s(I’m using a lower case “c” because he demeaned Hashem’s Malchus) statement that the Rebbe has already taken over?
To n0mesorah
It’s not exactly correct that Rav Dovid humbled himself. This is who he was. He didm’t consider himself superior to anyone
And he learned this from his father. Once Rav Moshe was walming to MTJ and he heard a woman call out Mosishie(she was addressing her son who was also going to the Yeshiva). Rav Moshe turned around thinking that the woman was calling himTo CS
You ask why it’s hard to fathom Hashem handing the world’s car keys to the Rebbe. Aftsr all that’s what will happen when Moshiach comes. Yes tjat’s what will happen when Moshiach comes. But tjete are no Moshiach tryouts. Hashem knows who will take the reins. Sometime hopefully in the non too distant future.To Menachem
At the beginning of Dr. Berger’s book he said that he initially had a good impression of Chabad. It was the same with me. A group of Lubavich boys would come to our shul on Simchas Torah to dance with us. They seemed to embody Ahavas Yisroel. Everythi g changed for me in 2003 when I began attending a certain shul whose Rabbi was militaristically Chabad. He would mock Gedolim on a regular basis. I’ll share a quote, “The Rebbe can’t be compared to any Rabbi. He can only be compared to other Neviim.” And I’ll give you another one, “The Rebbe is the reason the world was created.” On top of this I lisrened to Rabbi Butman on Motzi Shabbos and he acted as if non Lubavichers don’t exist. Finally I read Dr. Berger’s book and the story was clear. And it gets clearer and clearer that Chabad is not a valid form of Judaism. Now it’s certainly true that there are nice Lunavichers, juzt as it’s true that there are not nice people in all strains of Judaism. But no group lives by postulates that are anathema to Judaism as does Chabad and that’s why we challenge them.
To CS
“As for Cunin’s statement about the Rebbe running the world. I suplose he mrans as Hashem’s agent.” Nice move CS, mention Hashem and get the snags to sirrender. Here’s the problem. Why does the Rebbe run the world as Hashem’s agent? What makes him special? Because you guys decided that he’s the Nasi hador, the Moshe Rabbeini Hador, and all the other Chabad Bubbe Maasehs. The point is that when you claim that the Rebbe runs the world you’re declating that he’s elevated over everyone else, and mainstream Jewry categorically rejects this.
To Menachem Shmei
Still waiting for your answer. Looks like there’s a checkmate in your near future.
To 2scents
You make a terrific point which I’d like to expand on. In a perfect world both sides would present their argumemts honestly and we ithout rancor. But this site isn’t a perfect world. Many of tje pafticipants lie and/or present opinions as facts. Exacerbating the problem is that when they’re called out, they either deny what they’ve done or avoid the subject. It can be frustrating but most of the posters have been part of this site for years and tbey’re not going to change. I think the moderators have done a great job maintaining some sense of decorum I previously wrote in a different venue and it devolved into cheap name calling. One guy decided I was a Christian missionary who was angry at Chabad for stealing his prospective clients.
To ARSo
I’m specifically referring to Coffee, ujm, and lostspark. Read their posts and the venom comes tjrough. As for others you’re right they simply disagree with my positions. Btw you never provided the Hey Jude posting. Don’t sweat it.
To Menachem Shmei
I’ll repeat my question of the other day. According to the letter ypu provided, the Rebbe seems to be saying that the Nasi Chabad is the unquestioned leader of Chabad, but not all the Jews. However based on my experience all Lubavichers believe that each Nasi Chabad is Nasi for Klal Yisrael. Please clarify.To Menacjem Shmei
Lubavichers have decided that they do not want to be part of normative Judaism and they clearly see Chabad as distinct. Since this is your Mehalech it’s quite obvious that ypu could careess about a Psak accepted by all observant Ashkenazic Jews. This Psak, as every Lubavicher knows, was formulated in response to the Shabbetai Tzvi debacle amd therefore Arizal’s opinion is irrelevant. Moreover your idiotic swipe at Rav Reuvein is a thinly veiled attempt to make it sound like this is a recent Psa
. You know full well that this Psak is 300 yearz old. The point of the Psak is that one may not begin studying Kabbalh until he is fully conversant in Nogleh. If, like Ramchal, that occurs
before reachong 40 tjen he’s the exception. Teenagers in Crown Heights are told toaster Kabbalah. So yes ypur Rabbis are in violation of ignoring the words of the Sages.edited
To n0mesorah
Your latest posting reminds me of an incident that occurred probably a de ade ago. Rabbi Boteach was on Zev Brenner’s program. Someone called challenged him for teaching Torah to a gentile Cory Booker. He tried a few times to change the subject, bit finally he came up with, “It’s only Asur to teach Torah to a goy if you want to convert him.” Boteach has one law, je’s always right. The same for n0mesorah. Thete’s an ironclad Psak against learning Kabbalah which Chabad dismisses and Nom defenfs themby saying Chabad only studies safe Kabbalah. No such distimction exists, but Nom like Boteach can’t accept beimg beatenTo Coffee Addict
“Are you saying that YI was less frum than you twenty years ago?” YI is not monithic. YI on the LES is largely Yeshivish. In the YI of my new neighborhood they’d give weekly aliyahs to two Russians who were married to sbiksas. I know you thi k I’m the biggest goy in the world, but you are sadly mistaken. A few days ago you predicted that I would bow out of the thread. That was wishful thonking. Thi k about it. Witbout me against whom could you direct yoir hatred and disgust?
To Avira
Good response. Lubavichers grasp at straws trying to justify trusti g in the Rebbe rather than Hashem.To n0meslrah
Your compliment remimds me of what the King of Spain said to Ramban. I’ll accept it because a good word from you is rare.
To Yankel Berel
Your last post was fabulous. Obviously it will fall on deaf ears, but you really made it clear that Lubavitchers just change the narrative to fit what they want the outcome to be. Paul Simon said it best, “All lies in jest, still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.” Oh no here comes the peanut gallery again. How can you call yourself a Jew? Don’t you know that there was a Kol Koreh signed by 137 Gedolim outlawing rock? On a serious and personal note, I really appreciate your coming to my defense. It was more important for the right wingers in this thread to get me to submit to their pressure tactics than to focus on the real issue, which is exposing Chabad. Obviously, no Lubavitcher in the thread is going to have an immediate epiphany, but the truth ultimately wins out. To that point Rabbi Miller said that if you keep repeating the truth those that fought you will eventually quote you.
To Menachem Shmei
Thanks for the translation. It seems pretty close to what I said in my posting except for one thing. The Rebbe is specifically speaking about the Rayyatz and not all Chabad Nesiim and it seems that he’s saying that the Nasi of Chabad is the unquestioned leader of Chabad but not necessarily of all Jews. My understanding, however, is that all Lubavitchers believe that the Nasi Chabad is the Nasi of Klal Yisroel. Let me explain how I arrived at that conclusion. About twenty years ago I attended a YI whose Rabbi is Chabad (they hired him because he spoke Russian.) He resented the fact that I was frum (sorry Coffee addict I am generally considered frum) but not Chabad. One day he told me, “For the past 250 years there have only been seven Gedolim, just the seven Chabad Rebbes.” The next day I spoke to another Lubavitch Rabbi who I knew was more moderate and repeated what the first rabbi said. He responded, “What, is he nuts? Rav Moshe wasn’t a Gadol?” I was relieved to hear that, and I started to walk out of his shul when he added, “But we are the Nesius.” I didn’t know what he meant, and I didn’t ask him. After hearing this about the Rebbe’s letter I understood that it’s viewed as a declaration that Chabad is the ruling class of Judaism. I ask the Lubavitchers in the thread to clarify what the Rebbe meant.
To n0mesorah
Yankel Berel is absolutely right, but he wasn’t able to pass through your fine sifter. I’ll present his views in a way that even you won’t be able to challenge them. I heard Rav Reuvein Feinstein speak about 30 years ago and he said the following, “Judaism is very simple. You need to believe in Hashem and learn the basic laws. There’s nothing to it.” So you buy Kosher Tefilin and Mezuzos. Wear Tzitis. Find reliable places to buy Kosher food. Attend shiurim and go to a good Shul(s). That’s what Hashem wants from us. In no way are we enjoined to delve into the esoteric. In fact, in Parshas Nitzavim we’re clearly told that our realm is Nigleh. And after Shabbetai Tzvi, safeguards were instituted to keep the masses from studying such materials, but Chabad ignored all this and decided to go against the norm. It is now reaping what it sowed in violating the edict of our Rabbonim. As for your statement that there was great knowledge of Sisrei Torah thousands of years ago. You’re absolutely right, but we learn from the incident of the Merkavah that even the greatest Tannaim couldn’t handle such mysterious subjects. It was only Rabbi Akiva who was sufficiently grounded in Nigleh who could thrive in both worlds. And the same is true for Rashbi. Yes, we call him the father of Kabbalah, but he’s also found throughout Shas dealing in the most mundane subjects. Rabbi Butman declared on numerous occasions that when Moshiach comes Nigleh will be replaced b y Nister. That’s blatant Kefirah. They will, however, coexist because people will be on a Madreigah which allows them to delve into both realms.
To american yeshivish
Let’s not go overboard. The Rebbe was a supergenius and he had some incredible Torah. On the other hand it seems pretty clear that he did say some unacceptable things.
To mdd1
Exactly. As I’ve stated, when I joined this thread I thougjt it would be the typical Moshiach can come from the dead, no he can’t debate. I had no idea it would it would turn into a discussion as to whether or not the Rebbe is god.
To Rabbi Menachem Shmei
I can’t speak for the others, but I don’t know how to read such postings. I learn woth Artscroll. Now since you printed the letter it implies that I didn’t present it accurately. I just repeated what that Rabbi said. If you feel that he made mistake(s) then by all means correct them. I told you I’m not learned.
To Always
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What does Chabad have to do, in your opinion, to take it beyond the pale?To Always
“Every little idiocy.” Was Christianity a little idiocy?
To Always
By all means take your best shot at me, but at least let me understand your putdown.Yankel Berel
You’re a breath of fresh air for this thread. I’d like to piggy back on to some of your points. Shmuel Butman repeatedly announces on his programs that when Moshiach comes there won’t be any more Shnayim Ochzim Bitalis. Then he adds that tbere will only be the Kabbalistic understanding of the Gemara. Chabad views Nigleh as an enemy that must be eliminated C”V. As for the Rebbe’s popularity, a poster noted that many Gedolim were taken in by Shabbetai Tzvi.
To the groupOn Sunday mornings tha Chabad shul I attend has a breakfast and shiur after davenimg. In the last few months the class consists of reading letters from the Rebbe. In one such letter the Rebbe described the characteristics of a Nasi Chabad, and I’ll quote,”Every Nasi Chabad is a Baal Mofes, and he has Ruach Hakodesh. But the main thing to know is that the Nasi Chabad is the Nasi Hador.” In a different thread Sechel83 said he’ll accept the worst Snag as Moshiach if he fulfills Rambam’s criteria. But he’s lying. Every Lubavicher accepts that the Rebbe is a Novi and he declared that Moshiach must be a Lubavicher.
To CS
So every Jew that dies passes thru the Rebbe’s office at 770. I see so now the Rebbe is god and Malach Hamaves.To Menachem Shmei
Your latest commdnt is totally disingenuous. You can’t de y that you amd n0mesorah on numerous occasions told me and others to study the Sugya in question. In contrast, i clearly syated that I’m not endorsing TV watching and I’m not challenging the Psak. All I said is that the Psak is not absolute. As a moshol Rav Moshe was strict regarding Eruvin. Other Poskim allow making an Eruv in se areas that Rav Moshe forbids. I follow Rav Moshe but I would never question someone who takes tbe more lenient view. Checkmate. That one is on the house. Remember it’s not personal. It’s been fun sparrimg with you, necause I like you
Happy new year. Sorry I forgot your RH is in December. ByTo the group
In this thread too many of the participants try to impose their opinions on others. Obviously, we have the anti TV”ers who want me to admit that I’m not a legitimate Jew because I partake of that “vice.” Then we have n0mesorah and Menachem Shmei who want me to study the sugya which “proves” that the Rebbe is god. I harbor no delusions about getting anyone to change. Rather let’s simply accept the fact that the Lubavichers believe that the Rebbe is god and so there’s no point in continuing to argue.To Yankel Berel
Thank you so much for your comment. I really don’t understand the vitriol coming from the radical right wingers in this thread. At no time have I suggested that MO is the ideal, nor have I criticized any Kol Koreh against TV. I merely said that my Rov, who’s an enormous Talmid Chacham and he’s a Feinstein said it’s ok for me to watch. He didn’t give me a Heter that would mean it’s Asur but he made an exception. I think these Yeshivish extremists hate me because they’ve been brainwashed into believing that all MO’s are idiotic, Am Aratzim and apikorsim, Ifrighten them because I don’t fit their cookie cutter mold.
To ujm
Read what I wrote to yankel berel for your answer. If you have a problem go toTJ and ask the Feinsteins.
To the Lubavichers
Some years ago Rabbi Daniel Mechanic spoke in our Shul. Je had the opportunity to go to Hollywood and meet Kirk Dou
glas, Jason Alexandwr and Larry David. He told them
the following,”I can’t prove that there’s a G-d but if there is boy will you guys be in trouble.” I can’t prove that the Rebbe isn’t god, but if I’m right, boy are yoj guys in trouble.To ARSo
Could you tell me where the Hey Jude comment can be found? I will certainly admit my error.
To moderator
My apology. I had in mind to tell you not to edit or censor any defamatory remarks made against me, but I didn’t actually send that. My bad.
To Lostspark
I assume that your point is that Rav Moshe knew that the Rebbe declared himself god in 1962 and not only did he say nothing but he endorsed the idea when he accepted the Tefilin. Let me make this perfectly clear. Nobody that I’ve spoken to has ever heard about the 1962 sicha. And that most definitely includes the Feinsteins.I only became aware of it thanks to this thread.
To Always
I’d just make one point. My Rov didn’t give me a heter. What he said is that there’s no problem at all because I basically just watch sports. But if you don’t have a TV keep it that way. It can be addictive. But the CR can also be addictive.To Menachem
As I’ve clearly articulated, I will not get involved in any discussion about a dead Jew being god. I think you’re a dec
ent fellow so Hashem should have Rachmanus on you.To n0mesorah
I never said a word about hating Chabad. I am simply protesting its theology. As I see it, to believe that the Ribono Shel Olam is a dead Rabbi is idolatry. If I’m wrong time will tell. As I’ve made clear I daven with Lubavichers and get along great with them. By the way, I think you’re right about Menachem Shmei. He is a decent fellow. And thanks for backing me up on the TV issue. Did Avira compare my watching TV to using a phone on Shabbos, or did I misunderstand your reference? I really had no idea that Jews could have such intense, visceral hatred for other Jews, and for absolutely no reason. This is the epitome of Sinas Chinam, but haters, by definition, are irrational.
To Lostspark
If, as has been reported in this thread, the Rebbe announced that he was god in 1962, then he made himself an idol at that moment. Now go ahead and take your shot at me. I’ve told the moderators not to hold anything back.
Huh?
To Avira
I’d just make one slight but important correction to what you wrote morning. You said that the East Side is a community in which the MO’s associate with Torah Jews becuse of tje type of Rabbonim who are there. The Diyuk of your statement is that the MO’s arent Torah Jews. There are two types of MO’s in the neighborhood. Some are like me, fully observant the whole 9 yards ok take off a few inches for having a TV. Then there are MO’swho are Karov to irreligious. The Rabbonim get along with everyone even the open Mechallels but as for someone like me they treat us as equals. We don’t advocate hating Jews as you feiner Yidden do. Think about it. Of course you won’t.
I think I have a way to put a bow on this entire t
thread. The anti TV’ers are really no different than the Rebbe is goders. Each believes what they’ve been told by their Rabbis and they feel that they must defend that position at all costs. To Menachem Shmei’s credit, he’s able to understand that I have a healthy relationship with my Rabbonim in which we listen to each other and learn from each other. Unfortunately the black hatters are so dogmatic that anyone who veers from their concept of how a Jew must act is labeled off the derech. I’m resigned to fact that neither group will budge. Maybe the smartest person was Neville who bowed out early. I am glad that I
got involved because I never would have known that it was the Rebbe who declared that he’s god. R”L.To n0mesorah
I think Moshiach must be near because you just made a reasonable comment. There’s absolutely no reason to argue about this subject as you said.
To ARSo
As Rabbi Shmei noted, I do have an excellent relationship with my Rabbonim(LES and Brooklyn.) I definitely show them respect, because they’re Talmidei Chachamim and I’m not(not even close), but they also value my opinion. I write a weekly Dvar Torah which is very well accepted because I write well but also because I know how to use my Treif(rock music and sports) influences to flavor my work. I’m quite aware that I’m unconventional but I treat Yiddeishkeit with the utmost gravity. By the way, you never explained how you knew about my Hey Jude remark since that post wasn’t printed. My hunch is that you’re one of the moderators, but that’s just a guess. Here’s my new catchphrase, “You’re on the clock.” I think they used that during the Bobby Fischer Boris Spassky match.
To Rabbi Menachem Shmei
Every once in a while you say something that makes it hard for me to hate you. I’m just kidding. As noted I daven in a Chabad shul(I no longer live on the LES) and we get along great. You know why? Because they’re nice and I’m nice. And I sense that you’re also a good guy. I’m obligated to challenge you because I believe Chabad is idolatry, but there’s no personal animosity on my part. Sadly I can’t say the same for the Yeshivish lynch mob that wants to tar and feather me for doing something that I’ve proven is within the bounds of Halacha. I can’t resist taking this shot. If you want to have a relationship with a living Rabbi you know what you have to do. The truth will hurt at first, but ultimately the truth will set you free. FtTo Avira
The Rov who said it’s alright for me to watch TV is a respected .ember of the Feinstein family. I’m not at liberty to give any more information. He knows me for almost 60 years. He saw my transformation from basic nothingness religiously to who I am today. Why are you so obstinate? You’ve convinced yourself that you’re saving me, but the truth is that you can’t deal with the thought that a legitimate Torah Jew can watch TV. My assumption is that it violates Rabbi Miller’s doctrine.
To Avira and ARSo
I apologize for the incendiary time of my last post. I should know better it’s Elul. If you pay attention to my posts you’ll see that I never suggested that one should have a TV. I never challenged the Kol Koreh. The fact is that a significant percentage of obsevant Jews do watch TV. If you want to think that you’re a better Jew than me I couldn’t care less. I follow Halacha and I’ve been told unequivocally that watching TV is not in violation of the Torah. Let’s put an end to this dispute and focus on
the real issue, editedTo Avira
As you correctly stated the East Side has both a Yeshivish and modern element. The Yeshivish faction certainly doesn’t watch TV, but the modern does.And you know what? We all get along and respect each other. As for your suggestion that R Dovid was too humble to sign that’s a Doche answer and you know it. Rav .osne signed the original Kol Koreh and we’ll both agree that he was exceedingly humble.To ARSo
Rav Reuvein and I used to live on the same building, before he moved to SI. I consider him a friend as well as a Rov because he’s a beautiful person. Let me share an incident. Rav Reuvein used to daven at the 7,am minyan on Shabbos at the Bialystoker. I was coming downstairs to go to shul and he was ready to walk upstairs.He saw a mechallel Shabbos woman about to take the elevator. Did he give her Mussar? Did he shun her? No they
spoke cordially to each other for about five minutes. I know you guys feel the need to impose your Flatbush elitist attitude on me, but my approach to Yiddishkeit is within the bounds of Halacha. On the other hand you’ll have to answer to Hashem for the lies you invented when you tried to prove I’m a goy for having a TV. Remember Eilu VEilu Divrei Elokim Dude.To YWN moderator (s)
I was in shul yesterday and the Rov told me, “This is the most informative thread I’ve ever read in my life.” You guys are doing a great job of allowing both sides to present their positions.To Avira
Having reviewed the list of signatories I noticed a notable absence. That would be Rabbi Miller. This gives credence to my contention that he wasn’t regarded as a Godol. Now I certainly agree that he was a great man but Godol is special territory.To Rabbi Menachem Shmei
Now that you’re back on the Rebbe is god kick here’s my question.,”Do you believe that he’s the one who created the world or is he just the one who now runs the world? Don’t try your stock, study the Sicha answer on me. When I was a kid in MTJ I had my first farherrem. The Rabbi asked me a question and I told him that I know the answer but I can’t explain it He told me if you can’t explain it you don’t know it.To ujm
Since you’re still trying to prove that any Jew with a TV is an atheist I decided to read your posting in 2008 on the subject. You presented a proclamation signed by many Choshuv Rabbonim. One name that didn’t appear is that of Rav Dovid Feinstein.Need I remind you that I’m a Lower East Sider and I follow his authority. As I said, by all means you should follow your Gedolim, but the question of TV is not black and white as it’s opponents would like to believe. Also let make it clear, the Feinsteins don’t have TV’s, but many east siders do. I’ll just add one point to the discussion. I see that there’s an addiction problem in the frum world with regard to viewing inappropriate materials. Regular TV(ie not cable) isn’t the cause of this problem.
To ujm
Rav Yochanan said that every rule has an exception. By the way he was an Amora.That would be a Rabbi who expounds the Mishna. I never said I’m a Talmid Chacham A Ben Torah is someone who loves learning Torah. And I do.
To Coffee Addict
What a coward. Using a reference that’s unfamiliar to me as an insult so that I can’t respond. You should know by now that I can take anything you dish out and give it back in spades. You and the other supposedly religious Jews had no shortage of Issurei Doraysa to accuse me of when I said I watched TV. Of call the charges were baseless. But now I’ll tell you what you’re guilty of. Sinas Chinam. Hating another Jew in your heart. Insulting a Ben Torah. Insulting an orphan I could go on. The difference between my claims and yours is that mine are all absolutely ironclad. And just to add to your perfidy, you attack me on RC Elul. I’ll let Hashem checkmate you. You’re a bigger atheist than the Lubavichers
At least they believe in god. Only problem is that their god is dead.To Coffee Addict
Is that the best you can do? Use an insider’s reference to insult me. I thought sure you’d answer my MO challenge but your silence speaks volumes. You obviously agree that being MO is perfectly valid and Sunday you’ll go online to price 90 inch TV’s. Checkmate
To n0mesorah
I see. So what you’re saying is that my belief in one, all knowing and all powerful G-d is irrational. But to believe, as Chabad does, that a human being is god, or to believe in polytheism is rational. Maybe you’ve been studying too much Kabbalah or maybe you just enjoy being an annoying fool. Come on dude even your Rebbe, Menachem Shmei, conceded to my superiority. Checkmate and peace out.
To the group
What emerged from the TV discussion is that there’s a universal visceral hatred for MO in this thread. Given that R Akiva said that Veahavta Lerayecha Kamocha is the fundamental Mitzvah of the Torah, how do you justify this antipathy?To the group
All rst
Rabbi Menachem Shmei is correct that it takes me a very short time to write these posts and I’ll tell you why. First, writing is my avocation and, so Baruch Hashem it comes very easy to me. Second, and this is more important. Unlike most of the participants my message is consistent. The only reason I spend (waste) my time writing is to expose the flaws in Chabad. It’s amazing that I can’t even tell which side half the posters are on.One post they’re anti Chabad Then they do a 180. Then they decide to go after me. As for this last statement I’ll just make one comment. Rather than spending so much time trying to prove that I’m a goy or trying to teach me how to be a better Jew, you guys should spend time looking at yourselves. The Gemara says that Hashem’s seal is Emes. So many in the group have tried so hard to demonize me, but no has accused me of lying. But quite a number of the posters have lied through their teeth in the hope that they can win the debate. Life for a Jew is about currying Hashem’s favor. Remember it’s Elul.To Litvishe Fellow
Thanks for the support. This thread has run for almost two months. The reason it’s taking so long is because the posters speak out of three sides of their mouth. The case against Chabad is simple. As Litvishe Fellow said calling the Rebbe Moshiach Moshiach, and even moreso calling him god, is not up for discussion. It’s no different than debating with Christians. Look it’s a free country. If the Lubavichers want to continue worshipping the Rebbe that’s their right but we have to make it clear that despite the many good things that Chabad does this is a “One G-d world.”
To Lostspark
What does boomer confirmed mean?To the group
You should learn from Rabbi Menachem Shmei to defend me from these baseless attacks. Instead you join in and defend your calumny by arguing that it’s because I’m MO. But that’s not the real reason. The real reason is that you’re intimidated by my writing skills. It’s basic jealousy. Checkmate. ByTo the group
I think I should make another revelation. About thirty years ago I was a frequent contributor to the Jewish Press. One day I ran into a friend and he told me that I was the single most hated person in Brooklyn. Judging from this thread it’s obvious that I have this effect on people. That’s what happens when you tell the truth.
To lostspark
Mark Twain said, “When you keep your mouth shut you only appear stupid, when you open it you remove all doubt.” The nerve you have to insult my profession.Which grocery do you work in loser?
To Rabbi Menachem Shmei
I owe you an apology. You never said that the Rebbe is god. No what you actually said is that the Rebbe said he’s god. But you reject that out of hand. So Mazel Tov you finally accept what I’ve been saying that the Rebbe isn’t god and isn’t Moshiach. See how easy that was. Checkmate on the Rebbe. By
To lostspark
Duh. I’m so stupid. Must be all that TV I’ve been watching. By the way which medical school did you graduate from? I’m thinking we may have been in the same class. NOT!!!!To Rabbi Menachem Shmei
When I joined this discussion you made a distinction between crazy(Israeli) Lubavichers and normal (American) Lubavichers. I pressed you to explain what made the former crazy and you refused to answer. Instead you told me to look at your previous postings. This time I’ll return the favor and tell you to look at how many times you asserted that the Rebbe is god.
To n0mesorah
“Nobody is thinking that any human is god.”
Once of us needs new reading glasses. Shmei has consistently stated, in no uncertain terms, that the Rebbe is god. I can agree with you that the Rebbe didn’t mean this but that’s what his followers understood him to be saying and that’s a fact.As for my rushing to judgment against other posters. Because I was honest enough to admit that I watch TV I was accused of committing every sin imaginable. That’s not paranoia. it’s a fact. Obviously, I don’t care what they say because I checked with my Rov and he gave me the OK. This, of course, led one poster to malign that Rabbi who is Baki in Shas and Poskim.
To Rabbi Menachem Shmei
I think I’ve made my position quite clear but I’ll repeat it. I do not engage in discussion with anyone who asserts that a human is god. Chazal tell us that a judge who judges properly is a partner with Hashem in creation. Since you’re such a Maamin in these statements then you must believe that all honest judges throughout history worked in tandem 5783(or ~15 billion years ago remember I’m MO) with G-d. That would really be polytheism. How do I, a Torah Jew, understand this Chazal? We say in the davening that each day Hashem recreates the world and so an honest judge is a partner with Hashem because he acts according to Hashem’s wishes. This is a rational approach which does not tamper with the fundamental beliefs of Yiddishkeit. So for the last time don’t give me any more of your Christian proofs. I’m not buying it. Checkmate. And this time it’s final.