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To Rabbi Menachem Shmei
Your last posting is absolutely correct. Maybe there is some hope for you. I’d like to believe that there are Lubavichers who will be able to adapt when the truth emerges that the Rebbe isn’t Moshiach.
To Rabbi Menachem Shmei
By all means I’ll call you Rabbi. Why not? If you’re lying then you’ll have something else to explain to Hashem beside the fact that you insulted me and refused to apologize.
To Avira
So it seems that you consider yourself qualified to decide which Jews who were murdered, were killed Al Kiddush Hashem and which were not. Do you agree that all 6,000,000 million Jews who were slaughtered, died Al Kiddush Hashem or was it only the Shomrei Torah U’Mitzvos? I spoke to Poskim on this question when the Jews in Pittsburgh were killed and I was told unequivocally that any Jew who is killed because he’s identified as a Jew dies Al Kiddush Hashem and is guaranteed an immediate ticket to Gan Eden. As an interesting aside, that Posek told me that Rabbi Miller wouldn’t agree with this Psak. I understand that you’re a follower of Rabbi Miller but he was not a Posek and he was not a Godol, but he was definitely a great man and a great Marbitz Torah. His opinions, however, don’t stand up against the consensus of Poskim.
To Avira
It’s interesting that you consider Rabbi Miller an important influence. He was a Chabad lover. How do you reconcile that fact with your view?To Menachem Shmei
“The title for someone killed Al Kiddush Hashem is HY”D as I wrote not rabbi” So you would refer to R Elchonon Wasserman ZTL as HY’D without the honorific because the Nazis killed him? Look you made a mistake. It’s not the end of the world. But the problem is that your Gaavah won’t allow you to admit it. By the way you also owe me an apology for calling me arrogant and ignorant. And what do you think about the “FACT” that the Feinsteins, as currently constituted, don’t like Chabad? Curious to see how you’ll try to squirm out of that one.
To ujm
If your plumber has Smicha then yes, of course, you must address him as Rabbi unless he tells you that he’s Mochel on his Kovod. Don’t you Lubavichers know anything about Halacha?To Avira
I’m shocked by your statement. I am by no means a follower of Rabbi Kahane but he died Al Kiddush Hashem and you have the temerity to throw dirt on his grave. Now you and n0mesorah both have some serious Tshuvah to do. The good news is that we’re almost in Elul so it’s perfect timing.
To YWN moderator
I’m getting the sense that you plan to end this thread with Menachem Shmei’s last posting. If I’m right that doesn’t seem fair.Should he be able to call me an arrogant fool and I can’t respond? Is this my reward for defending Hashem’s honor? Of course, if I’m wrong please ignore this and print what I sent you earlier this morning.To Menachem Shmei
Apparently, you’re taking a shot at me because I admitted I’m not a Talmid Chacham. Despite what you’d like to believe that doesn’t Passul me for this thread. One of the points you keep repeating is that Rav Moshe thought well of the Rebbe. I won’t challenge that, however, I know, as a fact, that this is no longer the opinion of the Feinsteins. As I mentioned, I’m a doctor and one of Rav Moshe’s grandsons is a patient, and he is completely in lockstep with my view. And he’s not the only member of the family who feels this way, but I’m not at liberty to give any more details. Now you’ll ask, how could they argue on Rav Moshe? The answer is simple. A Godol is not a “god”ol. Anyone can challenge his views, yes even family members. I’ll give a second proof of this. Rabbi J.B. Soloveitchik was good friends with the Rebbe, but that didn’t stop Rav Hershel Schachter, his Talmid Muvhak, from publicly stating that many Lubavichers daven to the Rebbe instead of Hashem and calling this idolatry.
To Menachem Shmei
First, refer to him as Rabbi Meir Kahane. Next, you’re obviously trying to insult someone in the group, probably me, so spell out your point. Are you arguing that since I admit that I am not a Talmid Chacham I have no right to voice my opinions?
To Menachem Shmei
Let me explain my situation. I daven in a Chabad shul in my neighborhood. I listen to the Rabbi’s speeches and read the materials he brings in. From these sources I’ve learned about Chabad and the Rebbe. In a similar vein, for many years I attended a yeshiva run by Rabbi Avigdor Miller’s Talmud Muvhak. From the Rosh Yeshiva I learned Rabbi Miller’s shitas. In addition, I grew up on the Lower East Side and developed lifelong friendships with the Feinstein families. Finally, despite going to Yeshiva, I wasn’t fully frum until I turned 30 and I didn’t begin seriously learning until I was fifty. Long story short, I don’t have the time nor the ability to study all the available sources firsthand as I’m a practicing doctor and I learn Gemara about 7 hours a day. I agree that it’s best to study original sources but I’m doing the best I can to arrive at the truth. As for your comment that I theorized the Rebbe’s opinion. That’s incorrect. What I said is what I heard in shul, and I trust that the Rabbi accurately reported what the Rebbe said because he was reading one of the Rebbe’s letters. If I misrepresent any of the Rebbe’s views, by all means correct me. I’ll then check it out to verify what you said. I readily admit that most of the people in the thread have more Torah knowledge than I, but few can match my logic and love of truth.
To Menachem Shmei
I daven in a Chabad shul during the week(not Shabbos) so I pick up the Rebbe’s Shittas from the Rabbi, who’s a quality individual. I have no time to actually study the Rebbe’s writings so I get them second hand. I don’t study Igros Moshe either so it’s not that I have anything against the Rebbe’s Torah except when he invents his own Pshatim as we’ve discussed in this thread.
To Menachem Shmei
I stand corrected. So we see, according to Menachem, even Crown Heights accepted Rav Moshe as the Posek Hador. So now we return to my basic point. If Chabad wanted to establish the Rebbe as a Novi why wouldn’t they seek out Rav Moshe’s Haskomah? The answer is simple because there was never any question of the Rebbe being a Novi while he was alive. This is nothing but an invention of his followers. What I believe the Rebbe did say, because I heard this from a Lubavicher, is that every Nasi Chabad had Ruach Hakodesh. But Ruach Hakodesh is NOT nevuah. As Avira correctly stated, Nevuah begins with “Koh Amar Hashem” or some equivalent expression that G-d spoke to the person. I can’t believe that we’re spending so much time arguing about such a simple and basic principle. That’s what happens when the other side loses its capacity for rational thought.
Apparently, I have to clarify yesterday’s statement. If Rav Moshe wasn’t the unquestioned Gadol Hador, as ARSo pointed out, he was surely the Posek Hador in America. Therefore if there were a question of the Rebbe being a Novi, it would be fitting for Rav Moshe to test him. I didn’t mean that Rav Moshe had to give the Rebbe Haskamah as a Novi because the whole idea is preposterous. The Rebbe never claimed to be a Novi. In fact, had he made such a claim, everyone in the Torah world would have accepted Rav Shach’s assessment. This is just another attempt by his disciples to deify him.
To Menachem Shmei
You’re arguing that Rav Moshe wasn’t the Godol Hador because not everyone agreed with each of his rulings. This shows that you lack an understanding of the subject. Rabbi Akiva’s colleagues often challenged him, but that doesn’t diminish his status. The point is that Rav Moshe was clearly a Godol, but in Crown Heights they believe in a “god”ol whose every word is Divine C”V.
To Menachem Shmei
Did n0mesorah ask you for help in dealing with me? I made him an offer. If he wants me to answer his challenge he has to do public Tshuvah for insulting Rav Moshe. It’s surprising that you’re defending him since he agrees with normative Judaism that Rav Moshe was much greater than the Rebbe.
To Schel83
You’re right, Rav Moshe was the unquestioned Gadol Hador except for a certain neighborhood in Brooklyn. Can’t recall its name. Oh yeah, that would be Crown Heights.
To n0mesorah
When you admit that what you wrote about Rav Moshe was slanderous and you publicly apologize, I’ll respond to your challenges. You don’t have to remind me that I haven’t answered. It’s totally intentional and it’s because you’ve behaved like a boor.
To ARSo
I’m glad you returned to the thread because you’re a powerful voice against these “misnagdim” to legitimate Judaism. I will, however, take one exception your points. The issues of the Rebbe being Moshiach and a Novi are very important. But yes I agree with you. The Rebbe led his followers on a path where they thought(and still think) of themselves as Lubavichers first and Jews second and obviously that’s a dangerous and slippery slope. Moreover we can’t ignore the fact that the Rebbe rejected Pshatim in the Gemara when they were at odds with his agendas. Simply put, our tradition elevates the Talmud Chacham and the Rebbe glorified the religiously disenfranchised.To n0mesorah
You’re denying that you insulted Rav Moshe? You stated that there was a global campaign to discredit him. Your intention was to make it seem as if all the Rabbis in the world were renouncing him. Anyone reading that post would come to that conclusion. Now you clarify your statement. Sure there were Poskim who disagreed with his position but everyone accepted him as the Gadol Hador. Now the reason you implied otherwise is because I said that he could have tested the Rebbe as a Novi and you needed to find some way to reject that idea. Have you no shame? That’s a rhetorical question?To n0mesorah
“About the time of the Six Day War there was a global campaign to discredit Rav Moshe.” Would you care to elaborate? I’m a Lower East Sider who was alive at that time and I have no idea what you’re talking about.
To Avira who addressed n0mesorah
“Most things that are commonly taught in yeshivos are true. There’s a mesorah which you seem to want to undermine at every chance you get.”
You’re absolutely right, so why do you engage in discussion with n0mesorah? He’s clearly not interested in the truth if he’ll even denigrate Rav Moshe.Let’s take a step back. What we can discern from this and similar threads is that Lubavichers believe that the Rebbe is Moshiach and that he is(was) a Novi. Not long ago England crowned a new king. The event was witnessed by hundreds of millions throughout the world. Chabad is telling us that the Rebbe was anointed Moshiach, essentially making him king of the entire world, but no one knows about it. There’s not even a YouTube clip. And as for his being a Novi, one of the posters said this was proven during the 6 Day War. At that time Rav Moshe was the unquestioned Gadol Hador. All that was needed was for the two to meet and Rav Moshe would have tested him. As Avira correctly stated, Nevuah is definable, it’s not voodoo. Chabad wants us to trust them at their word. No chance. We are a stiffnecked people. Finally, how ridiculous is it to suggest that the Rebbe understood Pshatim in the Gemara that no one in the last 2000 years knew?
To Menachem Shmei
Let’s assume you’re right and the Rebbe’s Pshat in the Gemara is correct, i.e. all Jews will be redeemed when Moshiach comes. Here’s a problem. The Gemara quotes an Amora who said that he doesn’t want to be alive when Moshiach comes. Now that makes sense if we accept the old-fashioned, now disproven pre-Rebbe Pshat that very few Jews will actually be redeemed. But according to the new and improved version, it’s gonna be party central. Alan Dershowitz, Woody Allen, and Bernie Sanders will have a Ketzos Chavrusa. So why would that Amora not want to see that halcyon period?
To Menachem Shmei
Thanks for your latest submission because now I comprehend your position. For 2,000 years Klal Yisroel believed the simple Pshat that Nevuah ended during Bayis Sheini. No Tanna, Amora, Gaon, Rishon or Acharon challenged this. Then the Rebbe tells the world that no one understood Pshat until he came along because, in fact, Nevuah still exists. For 2,000 years people learned the Gemara which said that just as only 2 of 600,000 Jews left Egypt and came to Israel, so too only 2 out of 600,000 Jews will be redeemed by Moshiach. No one ever questioned this until the Rebbhe decided that he knew the real Pshat and all Jews will be redeemed. Chabad calls the Rebbe the Moshe Rabbeinu Hador. Moshe’s most distinguished trait was humility. What Chutzpah for anyone to suggest that he knows more than all the Tzaddikim who came before him.
To Avira
Let me elucidate. The quote, as I remember it, (I’m probably off a word or two) , “The Vilna Gaon was the best friend that Chassidus had because without his attacks we would have abandoned Nigleh entirely.” This is in line with what Avira said. Recently I received some background information. The Aruch Hashulchan got his Semicha from the Tzemach Tzedek and he heard this quote. The Aruch Hashulchan’s son the Torah Temimah then publicized it which is why so many know about it. Of course Lubavichers deny that it was ever said.To Avira
I really don’t want to argue with you because it’s clear that our Hashkahahs are closely aligned. This said you spent the better part of yesterday challenging my statements against the Rebbe. Now you’re basically repeating what I said. Please clarify your position. As I’ve made it clear my issues are with Chabad AND the Rebbe.To Coffee addict
Why don’t you want to defend me? I’m a really nice person and our views are in lockstep. Moreover, I backed you up when you asked if Lubavichers believe that the Rebbe is perfect. They changed the subject and called him a Tzasddik Gomur, but your reference to being perfect was spot on.
To ARSo
Great posting. Not only did the Rebbe say that the Rayyatz was a Novi, but in the Gutnick Chumash he commented that a number of the Baalei Tosafists were Neviim(I don’t recall the ones he enumerated.) The Rebbe felt that he could challenge or reject Gemaras which didn’t suit his own agenda. That doesn’t negate his genius and his remarkable accomplishments it just means that his Torah can not be trusted. All the Rebbe’s sources are meaningless because they “proved” what he wanted to believe. Obviously, his followers blindly accept his every word as Torah Misinai. No human being in our times can argue against the Gemara as that would imply that he believes he can match the logic and foresight of a Tanna or Amora.To mdd1
The only thing Lubavichers want to do in these threads is to keep us off balance because they can’t deal with the truthful, logical arguments we present. I think you’re doing a great job, so keep it up. The only advice I’d offer is that you ignore everything the Lubavichers say and keep pounding away at them. You can’t change them because the Rebbe is their god, but hopefully, some people who haven’t yet seen the light will change their tune when they see the evidence.
To Avira
I have no intention of trying to guess what will happen to Chabad but you’re certainly free to speculate. As for the Chair issue, it’s much ado about nothing. I just used it as a red herring to demonstrate the fallacy of Chabad theology. Again, according to Chabad pigs will be kosher when Moshiach comes so how can they say that the Rebbe is Moshiach? It’s simple logic. All I’m doing, along with some terrific posters, is pointing out some of the flaws in Chabad’s belief system as well as issues that must be raised about the Rebbe. Do I agree that the Rebbe was a supergenius? Absolutely. And his worldwide Shluchim movement is tremendous. Moreover, his explanations of Rashi are extraordinary. So I’m not writing him off by any means. But at the same time anyone who rejects any word of the Torah, be it Oral or Written must be taken to task. And I’m not interested in his proofs, just as I wouldn’t be interested if Rabbi Sacks ZL objected to, say slavery, and wrote the most incredible thesis(of course he’d never do such a thing). But the Rebbe did. Avira, we’re not that far apart. Admittedly I turn people off because I sound cocky. It’s the fact that I know I’m telling the truth that emboldens me.
To sechel83
Nobody is arguing that Nevuah is a legitimate concept. The problem is that the Gemara explicitly said that Nevuah ended during the 2nd Temple period and will not be restored until Moshiach comes. But we know that the Rebbe has no problem rejecting Gemaras when they don’t suit his agenda. This is another example of the Rebbe putting himself above the Torah. I accept that the Rebbe was a genius. I just don’t believe or trust anything he said.
To ARso and mdd1
Are you really just struggling with the concept of nasty and rude? Or can you just not help yourself?
To Avira
You’ve decided to defend the Rebbe vis a vis the Chazir’s future status. Fine, I’ll help you. I acknowledge your Kabbalistic sources and therefore the Rebbe has every right to say that in the Messianic Era pig meat will be Kosher. Here’s the problem. According to sechel83 and many other Lubavitchers, we are already in the Messianic Era. This said, why hasn’t the Briyah of the Chazir changed? Check, it’s your move. Obviously, I’m being semi-facetious. The Gemara says that Hashem has nothing in this world other than the Four Amos of Halacha. Judaism is a Halacha based religion. By no means am I dismissing or impugning Kabbalah(I descend from great Galicianer Kabbalists in Europe). This said, Hashem clearly tells us in Parshas Nitzavim that the esoteric is His domain while we live in the world of Niglah. This is lost on Chabad, but it looks like you also need to have your head straightened out.
To Menachem Shmei
I’m glad you acknowledge that you’re unable to argue against me because of my superior logic. I’m not impressed with your citations from the Rebbe. He has rejected open Pshat in the Gemara as I clearly explained and so I don’t trust a word that he wrote. Checkmate.
To Avira
I appreciate your comment but I really don’t think I said anything that crossed the line, no name-calling, etc. Anyway, what they did post this morning is basically what was rejected last night. <yes, what was rejected-minus everything else.>The point is simple, Lubavichers believe that the Rebbe is empowered to change the Torah as he sees fit. Hopefully, n0mesorah will accept that as proof that Chabad stands apart from other Chassidic sects.
To Ysiegel
I understand that you’re trying to defend your Rebbe, but the fact is that no person can challenge an open statement by a Tanna of the Gemara. Let me add the following. The Rebbe said that when Moshiach comes pork will be kosher. I saw that statement in a Geulah pamphlet and then I spoke to a Chabad Rabbi who confirmed it. No human being can change any law of the Torah.
To CR
I’ve sent a number of submissions in the last two days but they haven’t been posted. Instead, you’ve only posted from Lubavichers. Seems unfair. Especially since I’m responding to challenges.
Posta have been both deleted and approved from “both sides of the aisle”. Nasty personal attacks and overall mean-spirited personal comments are deleted. This is just a partial list of suggestions.
To ujm
You’re obsessed with collecting names of Rabbis who criticized Chabad. Well, n0mesorah already gave you Menashe Klein and Rabbi Belsky. I’ll add Rav Aharon Feldman if it makes you happy.To n0mesorah
Since Lubavichers never answer any of my questions maybe you’d like to take a stab at this one, “How could the Rebbe contradict an explicit statement in the Gemara, to wit, only one out of 300,000 Jews will be redeemed by Moshiach?” According to the Rebbe all Jews, including Bernie Sanders, Woody Allen and the like will be redeemed.
To Seichel83
Dr. Berger wrote in his book that eight prominent Chabad Rabbis averred that the Rebbe was “G-d clothed in human form.” A few years ago, David Lichtenstein, a Chabad lover, interviewed Dr. Berger on his radio show. Lichtenstein didn’t challenge Dr. Berger’s contention, rather he said that you can’t judge the entire movement because of a few nut job Rabbis. I don’t know what percentage of Chabad believes this insanity but don’t try denying that it doesn’t exist. By the way Edited
To ujm
I have no intention of providing you with any list of anti-Chabad Rabbis because you’ll dismiss them like you wrote off Rabbi Dr. David Berger.
To n0mesorah
I think we should just agree to disagree because I don’t think we’re that far apart. You consider Chabad a crazy, Chassidic sect like other crazy, Chassidic sects, but I think that they’ve crossed the line to where they’ve made their Rebbe into a god. One other point that no one has brought up. There are serious questions with regard to Rabbi Schneersohn himself. He espoused views that contradict the Gemara. For example, he said that every Jew will be redeemed by Moshiach, with no exception, while the Gemara in Sanhedrin 111a states that only 0ne of 300,000 will be redeemed.
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To ujm
What’s your fascination with collecting names of anti Chabad Rabbis. No one can deny that there are many in that corner just as no one can deny that many Rabbis are on Chabad’s side. This venue allows for discussion of issues, but Lubavichers recognize that they can’t answer any of the challenges raised against them so they try to change or muddle the subject.
To n0mesorah
You assert that the OU screening Chabad shochtim is a business decision. That’s illogical. The OU would potentially be opening itself up to discrimination lawsuits if it didn’t have valid reason to perform such vetting.To Nomesorah
Thanks for clarifying your position and I’ll gladly respond. You’re arguing that Lubavichers are like all other Chassidim in that they attribute godlike qualities to their Rebbe. That’s disingenuous. No Chassidic sect claims that their Rebbe is Moshiach, that their Rebbe is/was a Novi, that their Rebbe is still alive despite the fact that he was interred almost thirty years ago. As for why we should be troubled by their questionable beliefs and practices that’s simple. They proselytize. The Rabbi of the YI in my community is Chabad. I attended that shul about twenty years ago. This Rabbi constantly mocked non-Chabad Rabbis including the Chafetz Chaim, Vilna Gaon, and Rav Aharon Kotler. I will quote that Rabbi, “The Rebbe is the reason the world was created.” Now I know that Nomesorah will posit that he’s a lone wolf, but that’s nonsense. Rabbi Butman clearly articulated the belief in some, but not all Chabad circles, “When the Besht arrived, Gemara-based Judaism became null and void, and when the Baal Hatanya arrived all other Chassidim became irrelevant. Houston we have a problem no we have two problems. The second is that someone like you who’s clearly bright can’t or doesn’t want to accept the obvious truth. It seems that you’re simply a contrarian.
To UJM
Rav Shach and Dr. Berger said this clearly. There are many Rabbis and laymen who agree with their positions. There’s no need to name them.To Nomesorah
I’m glad you clarified that you’re not Chabad, As for your insinuation that I am equating Chabad with Christianity. I never made such a statement. What I did say is that Lubavichers treat the Rebbe like a god. They attribute powers to him as if he’s different than anyone who’s ever lived. I don’t think that any rational person would challenge that position.
Okay, now I have my answer. Nomesorah can’t be Chabad because no Lubavicher will ever say anything positive about Rav Shach, much less say that he was superior to the Rebbe in any way. I’m still confused, however by Nomesorah’s earlier post in which he states that heretical statements do not affect a person’s religious status.
To Nomesorah
I’m confused. You told Sechel that you’re not convinced that the Rebbe is Moshiach and then added that you wouldn’t debate a Chabadsker online vis a vis Chassidus and Kabbalah. This would imply that you’re not Lubavitch. On the other hand, you vehemently reject the implications that Chabad is akin to Christianity. This is generally the position of a Lubavicher. Would you be kind enough to clarify who and what you stand for? If you’re just a contrarian then that’s okay, as that forces people to make clear-cut and accurate statements. By the way point number two to Seichel was spot on. When Moshiach actually comes there will be a sea change in the world. Everyone will be aware of it. Seichel posits that there’s a secret society and they alone know that the Rebbe is Moshiach. Where does that come from?
To Menachem Shmei
This is a followup to what I wrote earlier this morning. You described yourself in the initial posting as ignorant and closed minded. In a sense, all people are ignorant to some degree and that’s why Avos teaches that we should be willing to learn from everyone. On the other hand, you call yourself close minded which means that you won’t listen to nor accept anything that goes against your previously held convictions. How do you resolve this contradiction? To put it another way, what do you hope to gain from this thread if you’re not interested in the positions of the anti Lubavichers?
To Menachem Shmei
Based on your postings, I’d consider you a Chabad moderate as compared, at least, to someone like sechel83. Since you started this thread I assume you’re still following it. I therefore ask you or any other Lubaviuchers who consider themselves reasonable to comment on Sechel’s explanation of why he believes that the Rebbe “IS” Moshiach.
It’s amazing. After reading any of Nomesorah’s posts, I don’t have the slightest idea of what he’s trying to say. And that’s probably exactly what he wants. I sense that he’s intelligent and realizes that Chabad is a lost cause and so his only hope is to obfuscate the readership.
To Seichel83
We’re still waiting for your answer. You acknowledged in a different thread that Rambam’s criteria for Moshiach have not been met. How then can Lubavichers declare that the Rebbe is Moshiach?
To Seichel83
So you agree that the Rebbe can make a mistake. Great, we’re getting somewhere. Now you wrote in a different thread that if a Misnaged does all the things that Moshiach is supposed to do, you’ll accept him. This implies that these things haven’t yet occurred. This said, how can some of your fellow Lubavichers believe that the Rebbe is already Moshiach while others believe it’s only a matter of time? The only reason for these beliefs is that the Rebbe said or hinted that he’s Moshiach. But you just admitted that the Rebbe could be wrong. So combining the Rebbe’s fallibility with the “FACT” that the Rambam’s criteria haven’t been met eliminates the suggestion that the Rebbe “IS” Moshiach. That he could come from the dead, perhaps, but that’s a different subject.
To Seichel83
“I will definitely accept the biggest Misnaged as Moshiach if he does all the things that Rambam says Moshiach will do.” The Diyuk is that you and your fellow Lubavichers have already accepted the Rebbe as Moshiach even though he hasn’t done anything that Rambam said he would do.
To No Mesorah
“And the Rambam clearly places all these heretics within the fold.”
What is that supposed to mean? That Rambam would consider a Jew for J in the fold of Judaism if his mother was actually Jewish? That’s not exactly a Chiddush. The problem is that such a belief likely(assuming he’s not a Tinok Shenishba) costs one his Cheilek in Olam Habo.To Nomesora
Let’s get the facts straight. Coffee addict asked if Lubavichers think the Rebbe is/was perfect and if Moshiach will be perfect. The implication of perfection is that he will be unlike any human who has ever lived, because, as 2scents said(according to Rabbi Miller) even Moshe Rabbeinu “sinned.” I then told Coffee addict that no Lubavicher will answer his question and, true to form, Seichel83 changed the narrative by referring to the Rebbe as a Tzaddik Gomur which has nothing to do with infallibility. So feel free to dodge any question you want, but at 120 you’ll have to answer them. Finally, mddi is absolutely correct, beliefs that are antithetical to the Torah place one outside the realm of Torah Judaism.