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B”H i didn’t see his post, Hashem spared me from tzoros of seeing yidden doing mitzvos with no kovonohFebruary 25, 2010 5:55 am at 5:55 am in reply to: Destroying Homes in E''Y, the "Israeli" Government… Holy or not? #675020
even religious zionists would vote likud because of that feiglin, and when netanyahu kicked him out of party list, that wsa end of dreams. vote IL ICHUD LEUMI, if all religious who vote likud would vote IL then IL would get many many seats
there are vampires on this board? quick…garlic eaters unite!February 24, 2010 6:22 pm at 6:22 pm in reply to: Destroying Homes in E''Y, the "Israeli" Government… Holy or not? #675018
clearheaded thank you.
EDITEDFebruary 23, 2010 7:05 am at 7:05 am in reply to: How could it be that one who picks up an idol acquires it? It's the goy's rshus! #674832
He quotes there that an Avodah Zarah is muttar if it is crushed, like the ashes of an Ir Nidachas which can be used for covering the blood. Also a lulav from Avodah Zarah is muttar (not from Asheirah).
He also says that there is a shitoh that if a Yid was mekaneh the avodah zarah unintentionally, with the intent to be mevatel the Avodah Zarah, he did not acquire it and one can be mevatel it.February 23, 2010 6:26 am at 6:26 am in reply to: How could it be that one who picks up an idol acquires it? It's the goy's rshus! #674831
see Rosh Rosh HaShonoh Perek Gimel:9February 22, 2010 9:15 pm at 9:15 pm in reply to: Destroying Homes in E''Y, the "Israeli" Government… Holy or not? #675016
Three way war
I agree Jothar. Which shitoh do you follow in regards to shikrus on Purim
Thank you for the undeserved compliment 🙂February 22, 2010 6:46 pm at 6:46 pm in reply to: How could it be that one who picks up an idol acquires it? It's the goy's rshus! #674830
Picks up. No matter what intent. Even if he wants to be mevatel the avoidah zorah (which he can’t because a Yid can’t be mevatel a goy’s idol)February 22, 2010 6:44 pm at 6:44 pm in reply to: How could it be that one who picks up an idol acquires it? It's the goy's rshus! #674828
No, because the Gemora says the opposite of what I say. I am makshey on the sugya.
An answer would be that because the laws of kniyah weren’t enacted yet, because they are midrobonon, and so Rochel Imainu wasn’t oiver on any tokonoh because the tokonoh didn’t exist yet.
I’m new! *waiting for greeting*
Well said volvie.
Lets make a list of which shiur we think is most meikel to most machmir
AKA (From meikiel to machmir) NOTE THIS IS NOT MY OPINION RATHER AN EXAMPLE
1. Shitoh of Magen Avraham
3. Orchos Chayim
Ben Levi I couldn’t have put it better
I apologize if I have misunderstood your intentions oomis, but the question is who is too ‘young’? I hope you will not quote American law to prove me the age, as some did in the ‘Drinking on Purim’ thread. The medinoh doesn’t decide our halocho
Any mekoros to look into? I can’t find any.
volvie, I personally follow the shitoh to get drunk until I forget Shoshanas Yaakov.
But all these people yelling about drunk bochrim are trying to undermine halacha just because some exploit it.
Just like if there aer car accidents you would outlaw driving. Ridiculous!February 22, 2010 5:54 pm at 5:54 pm in reply to: Destroying Homes in E''Y, the "Israeli" Government… Holy or not? #675014
Agreed. Heard of hesder yeshiva whom Haman Jr. kicked out of agreement cause tey didn’t stamp approval on his idea of exterminating jewish presence in Yesha?
Problem is, we also have Aravim to defend against. But if an order comes to expel yidden believe me there are frum yidden who would refuse, problem is all should refuse not just some.
Quit it with the hatzolah member idea already, please. there are few kids who make chillul Hashem, but you seem to have mistaken impression that I and Ben Levi advocate drinking until puking. I repeat the seder yom is a minority opinion.February 22, 2010 5:46 pm at 5:46 pm in reply to: Destroying Homes in E''Y, the "Israeli" Government… Holy or not? #675012
This government endangers jewish lives in any case when it cedes territory to the enemy.
Soldiers should be like chashmonayim and not follow hellenistic government who wants to uproot Yiddishkeit from the land
Ben Levi just like the case where it is mutar bedieved to blow on Rosh HaShanah with a shofar of avodah zorah, even though it is a gezeiroh midrobonon that he is oiver. So it is indeed muttar to drink less than the shitoh midrobonon and is not a chillul Hashem Chas veChalilah.
PS: Could we post mekoros for our shitos except NY State law please
Ben Levi I think that the Seder HaYom is a minority shita. Unless you like R’ Meir ‘choshesh lemiyutoh” aka. pay attention to the minority opinion I have herd most advocate either
1. Until one drops asleep
2. Until one can’t say Shoshanas Yaakov without losing place.
3. A bit more than usual.
The kiddush/chillul Hashem issue is dependent on how one drinks. One who drinks and behaves like an untamed monkey is going against the warning of the Mishnah Berurah, and causing a chillul Hashem, which is not atoned for by Yom Kippur.
I personally do until I can’t say Shoshanas Yaakov with no errors, but everyone is free to pasken as they want as long as we wanting to learn will stop getting bombarded with quotations from Hatzolah members!!
not a chillul Hashem, however one could say its an aveiroh.
Unless you agree with the Ravyah who says its a mitzvah min hamuvchar
Listen, this is not a philosophical or moral discussion. This is halacha! Drinking on Purim is fine and is a mitzvah, to what shiur you decide. But a shiur greater than halacha allows is a chillul Hashem and an aveiroh. Sums it up for those not wanting to get into the halachic discussion?February 22, 2010 12:34 pm at 12:34 pm in reply to: Destroying Homes in E''Y, the "Israeli" Government… Holy or not? #675010
shlomozalman I cannot agree more. It is a pity that they do not support Yesha citizens more than they support the chilonim (secularists) in Tel Aviv… And I wanted to educate them that most of Yesha citizens are frum, hardworking, good people who risk their lives for the mitzvah of yishuv haaretz… compare to people who risk their lives to get drunk and get in bar brawls and go attack settlers and setting fire to their fields! You should be ashamed you who belittle the settlers. Stay in your armchairs until Moshiach comes while we risk our lives BRINGING him! Which is more productive?!
This is Beis Medrash forum not Controversial Issues… (see decaffeinated coffee)
Don’t overexaggerate… I know how you feel though. B”H not all are like you described, and describing Ben Levi as such is totally unjustified. He just advocated the Rambam’s shitoh which is the most meikel, so better to sleep than puke wouldn’t you say?
Blessed now (table, house)
That they are zoichim to see Eliyohu HaNavi
If not, then techiyos hameisim (thats why baal habayis after Eliyohu HaNavi)
Ben Levi agreed, I thought thats what tomim said?
Thats what the Rambam and Maharil advise tomimFebruary 18, 2010 1:01 pm at 1:01 pm in reply to: Destroying Homes in E''Y, the "Israeli" Government… Holy or not? #675003
I made a mistake in 2nd to last line ‘sending emails to the government’
If parents allow it is different matter, but parents should be responsible and not damage children. Mekayeim mitzvah is fine, but many yeshivah bochrim completely get themselves DEAD DRUNK on Purim and make a Chillul Hashem by acting badly (The Mishnah Brurah says that one who acts badly under influence should follow the shitoh of the Orchos Chayim and only drink a bit more than usual) (A terrible Chillul Hashem which Chazal said that Yom Kippur dosen’t make caparah for), and justify themselves by saying “We’re doing a mitzvah”. Ironic right?
learning Gemora is simcha… :)))))))))))
No one has a shitoh like that as far as I know… the Chayei Odom says thats the LIMIT you can’t drink to that state of drunkenness
Indeed… very very dedicated… I wonder if they are so dedicated to tougher mitzvos, like keeping their health (for underage to get drunk does terrible liver damage, and also can lead to other stuff, like cardiac arrest, car accidents, the lot)
UNDERAGE DRINKING IS WRONG… 4 CUPS (on Pesoch) IS DIFFERENT FROM 4 BOTTLES (on Purim), ESPECIALLY FOR OUR YOUTH
aries I agree completely… only a baal bitachon (aka true tzaddik) gets parnossoh from shamayim
Rabbi Zeira himself (Megillah 7b) said that he could not rely on a second miracle to save him after the lsat Purim when he nearly died at Rabah’s house: Kal veChomer if R’ Zeira didn’t rely once a year, others shouldn’t rely every day (with a few exeptions, of course, like baalei bitachon).
This is not right… if everyone leaves jobs then no economy, no anything, no worldly involvement…
To make a long story short: Just like rebuilding the Bais HaMikdosh, save the ‘everybody fulltime learning’ for the Geuloh
One should depend on parnossoh from shamayim (kollel) only if he is a baal bitachon who can BELIEVE in Hashem with no doubts… (See Chazon Ish Kidushin 82b)
BTW: Thanks for the answer… the question had bothered me for couple days 🙂
Happy we can share knowledge with each other
Kol Tuv, Dovid
the Yad Efrayim paskens like the Pri Chodosh, only he says that the story was put in the Gemora to prove that Rava is RIGHT and in its turn is a tiyuvtoh to Kamu Raboh veShachtey (Apparently the Yad Efrayim thinks that the story of the invitation of Raboh to R’ Zeira and the latter’s refusal indeed is part of Kamu Raboh veShachtey leRabbi Zeira)…
The Bais Efrayim as I understand him says that R’ Zeira’s refusal has no connection to Kamu Raboh veShachtey leRabbi Zeira, and so can’t save Rava…
peerimsameach please speak english… it is very hard to understand your way of typing
I made a mistake in the quote of R’ Akiva Eiger… he dosen’t support the Radbaz and Rokeach, he is against them and says he dosen’t know why the mitzvoh is with wine…
But if I’m not mistaken there is a Gilyonei HaShas in Pesochim that the only rejoicing after the Beis HaMikdosh was destroyed is wine?!
Thats a complete stirah, cn someone pleasae help me here?
anuran underages are not supposed to get drunk on purim, ESPECIALLY if they are driving afterwards… it is pikuach nefesh
Rav Zeira needed a miracle because he almost died last time from overdrinking (Maharsha’s version of aggadata), or because drinking is dangerous (Orchos Chayim).
He was saved last time by a neis that Raboh became sober and realized Rav Zeira was almost dead, and he davened and B”H Rav Zeira lived.
Is that the answer you needed? If not, could you please explain me the question?
Ben Levi… the Ran in the name of Rabeinu Efrayim says that Kum Rabah veShachtey is a tiyuvtoh to Rava and so there is no mitzvah as such, so thats what the Bais Efrayim is saying?
Correct me if I’m wrong
Jothar, the Chayei Odom and the Elyah Rabboh say the same… and chas vechaliloh I don’t doubt them and the Chofetz Chayim. I merely started this in order to provoke a halachic discussion
oomis, what your Rov said is what the Rambam said on the matter… and the reason is the same as the Orchos Chayim…who says that its a strict assur because drunkenness lesds to arayos and shfichus damim…
What do your sons get drunk with? Wine or liquor? R’ Akiva Eiger in the name of Baal HaRokeach and the Radbaz that sheychar (liquor) and other drinks do not count… also the Ran tells us there is no mitzvah to get drunk at all…
I have seen a sefer bring the Lubavitcher Rebbe sying the word in the Gemora Megilah 7b “Avsumei” refers to spices “besomim” and nto to alcohol, this also is a shita not to be looked over, DO NOT MAKE A PSAK FROM THIS, ASK YOUR ROV, I DO THIS FOR SAKE OF HALACHIC DISCUSSION, Jothar, Joseph come on…