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@DaMoshe: Any way to link to that statement? or a URL?
Popa – that was my joke! 🙂
@WIY – Thank you 🙂
Maybe they are taking credit for the death of Ahmad Jabari?
very simply: part of attending an institution is following the rules. if the rules state that items can be confiscated, then by staying in said institution, you are tacitly agreeing to that rule. why is this so complicated?
in any case, junior hockey is waaay more exciting than the NHL … 10 times more intense, and the players actually care about the games.
whats the point of having a website if no one can use it anyways, because the internet is assur to have in one’s home. But, once one realizes that people are using the website (ostensibly in contradiction with the “psak”), why not just keep the facebook page?
So which people are now going to use mostly music? the ones who have internet at home for business purposes? If so, mostly music falls under the category of “business use” in what sense.
Just another P.R. stunt, being disingenuous while still not actually listening to the supposed “psak.” Keep the facebook page, and allow people access to good, wholesome Jewish music, while maintaining Jewish Parnassa.
@lakewhut way to be disingenuous
Would the fact that I have unfiltered internet and a TV cancel each other out?
Or maybe, its per tv and per device without filtered internet. In which case, an even number would allow me to daven, and an odd number would not?
so we’re good then 🙂
@coffee addict … so where does that leave all of us?
@Coffee addict. If that was the p’sak, then common sense dictates that one uses a filter (And better yet, monitoring software, which although not a guard against initial exposure, will most likely prevent extended exposure) and that is not what I was referring to.
The way I understand that most people understood the psak is that all internet use in the home is assur, and for business is a b’dieved.
And the message of the gedolei yisroel was? even they couldn’t agree on what the “psak” should have been.
besides for the fact that this is hardly qualifies as a psak for the Jewish people. Not to mention the fact that the reason anyone has a mechayev to listen to the “psak” is because ……..
@chulent why should it not be in Mea Shearim? My guess is its a financial decision and/or someone who has connections within Mea Shearim.
@lakewhut Rav Ilson is not your stereotypical YU rebbe. While he learned there many years ago, he does not seem to be overly fond of 90% of what is going on in YU.
@Chulent No, it is not. Know some people who went there. Specific questions?
Lessons learned at the asifa:
1) the internet is assur
2) it is pronounced the interNet
3) We must apologize whenever we speak English
4) Zionism is evil
@cheftze … only if you accept that there are acceptable uses for the internet other than business
@sam2 – If I am not mistaken, and please correct me if I am, did the Rambam not believe that he himself achieved nevua?
1) Rav Shmuel did not. And, not to rehash this argument, but the psak of the Poskim in Eretz Yisrael are not binding on Americans (although neither are those of the American Rabonim; see next comment)
2) I have (as should everyone else) my own posek, who as well did not agree with the asifa and did not give the same psak. As such, who says I need a Heter?
3) To say that any decision made at the asifa is binding is ludicrous for several reasons.
a) the entire klal Yisrael was not represented (I did not see half of Satmar, Lubavitch, the Modern Orthodox, or many people who would probably be referred to as “centrist.”
b) There was no consensus amongst the Rabbonim at the asifa as to what the “psak should be.”
4) Defrosting: I am not sure what you would like me to take out from that ???? . Perhaps you could please explain? (I assume the dark side joke is that, not an ad-hominem attack? 🙂 )
5) My total lack of acceptance of this psak does not mean that I believe that a filter is not neccessary. EVERYONE who uses the Internet should be using a filter. We are human after all, and all possess a ??? ???. I just don’t accept the fact that the only positive use for the internet is business related. hebrewbooks.org, YUTORAH, GTORAH, and the many other sites from which one can download shiurim and/or find divrei torah, and l’havdil, the broadening of my horizons by the amount of secular learning I can accomplish, are all legitimate, and appropriate uses of the internet.
Any contact between opposing players while pursuing the puck on an icing must be for the sole purpose of playing the puck and not for eliminating the opponent from playing the puck. Unnecessary or dangerous contact could result in penalties being assessed to the offending player.
The puck striking or deflecting off an official does not automatically nullify a potential icing.
Who says I need a Heter?