As far as I understand though, we can only establish something as “not goyish” as opposed to “Jewish”. True, being made by a Jew does not make something inherently “Jewish”, but it does remove it from –Necessarily– being goyish.

Like I was saying to pacman, there isn’t anything making jeans “goyish” any more than commonly accepted articles of clothing such as wigs, certain tops, and as others pointed out borsalinos, the suit, and ties. etc.

Mod 80

you can’t compare the two. a cross is a clear, indisputable symbol of avodah zara. Jeans were originally created for functional purposes, and in modern times, can sometimes be designed to be pritzusdik and untznius.

Wigs can be used/designed for pritzus too.

Someone else already mentioned women’s tops that are made tznius by adding shells or whatever. Long jean skirts that themselves were not intended for pritzus should be less controversial.

Pacman

Levi Strauss invented jeans as a direct result of his being non-observant? It came about as a product of secular ideals? No. Why are they goyish? Like someone else pointed out, what many consider frum garb these days was designed by goyim and were adapted from secular culture.

The burden of proof certainly lies on those who declare denim untznius.

I think you shouldn’t be so hard on yourself because “you aren’t living up to your name.” First of all, nobody is Chayav in all 613 mitzvot. Secondly, everyone is chayav in all of the mitzvot that are relevant to them, equally. So you’re name doesn’t make you anymore responsible than anybody else (take that as a good or bad thing). With that said, nobody is perfect. Most people are far from it. The only thing you can ask from yourself is to keep trying your hardest, always. Goals are supposed to increase your inspiration and devotion, not depress you into giving up. You’ll get where you’re supposed to be, just keep trying.

This applies to adorable’s thread before also I guess.

Sorry if that was a lot of stream of consciousness; I hope it helps.

Mod 80,

we can never know how successful another’s marriage is

Pacman

And who picked a wife for Yakov avinu? Moshe Rabeinu? I can go on and on…

my Rebbe in Israel always used to say “If you can’t explain it, it means you don’t fully understand it”

the therapy comes from the belief/philosophy that when the body is in harmony with itself ie aligned, the body’s problems will go away.

The “pushing really hard” is the Dr. aligning your bones. I go whenever I feel the need. Personally, I love the feeling afterwards. Some people don’t like the process though; they find it unpleasant.

But the first time I went, after he cracked my neck I felt a huge pressure released that I had stopped noticing was even there because I had gotten so used to it.

cooking abilities. Good food keeps kids otd (ON the derech).

oh well

uh oh pacman that doesn’t sound so “yeshiva-world” like….

disseminating truth, insight and correct spelling in your neighborhood.

Like I said, could be. Thanks for correcting me.

Pacman

And what was dovid hamelech’s yichus? born out of incest (moav and lot) and deception (tamar and yehuda)…

Avraham Avinu? (idol merchant father)

There was a good ruse I heard once (maybe someone can quote it) where a Rabbi asked a group of girls “Who would you rather marry?

1) A guy who is estranged from his siblings and obsessed with his good looks

2) A convert who doesn’t know a word of torah”

… There are two others

(btw, 1 is yosef, 2 is R’ akiva)

disclaimer- not saying marry a bad person, just saying yichus doesn’t matter

Before I left Yeshiva in Israel one piece of insight that I was told really stuck with me. If I was not prepared to leave, Hashem would not let me. That does not mean that I cannot fail, but it means I have the tools to rise above.

If Hashem put you to the test of the internet etc, even if you failed, know you possess the wherewithal to succeed and fulfill your tafkid. Everything in goes in cycles, you had a rough patch, now take the experience, grow from it, feel a renewed sense of conviction not to fail and to savor the glimpses of purity you feel from your yiddishkeit and IYH youll be a better, stronger yid for it.

health

I’m not sure what your point is. When I’m wrong I’m wrong. When they’re wrong, they should, and did, own up to parts of it. I was addressing the rest of it, the parts that, some people here are still defending.

anyone ever been to meron for lag ba’ omer?