You already know that Neturei Karta is comprised of sick individuals who openly support and advocate for the genocide of their Jewish brothers and sister – and are too dumb to realize they would be next.
You also already know that in their lust for the spilling of Jewish blood, they willingly make themselves token Jews at pro-Hamas baby killer rallies – including being Mechalel Shabbos B’farhesya on numerous occasions to participate in them.
But did you know that they are also open Kofrim against the Torah? Just watch and listen to what this scramble-brained Neturei Karta member at a demonstration in London tells a pro-Palestinian interviewer who asks what he would tell people who say that Israel is a land promised to the Jews by God.
“This is a total lie,” he says. “There is no promised land at all.”
No promised land? Here’s a short collection of Pesukim where it says that Israel is, in fact, a promised land – and why it’s called “Eretz Yisroel” in the first place:
רְאֵ֛ה נָתַ֥תִּי לִפְנֵיכֶ֖ם אֶת־הָאָ֑רֶץ בֹּ֚אוּ וּרְשׁ֣וּ אֶת־הָאָ֔רֶץ אֲשֶׁ֣ר נִשְׁבַּ֣ע יְ֠הֹוָ֠ה לַֽאֲבֹ֨תֵיכֶ֜ם לְאַבְרָהָ֨ם לְיִצְחָ֤ק וּלְיַֽעֲקֹב֙ לָתֵ֣ת לָהֶ֔ם וּלְזַרְעָ֖ם אַחֲרֵיהֶֽם
כי את כל-הארץ אשר אתה רואה לך אתננה ולזרעך עד- עולם” [בראשית י”ג,י”ד-ט”ז]
וביום ההוא כרת ה’ את אברם ברית לאמור: לזרעך נתתי את- הארץ הזאת מנהר מצרים ועד הנהר הגדול נהר-פרת…” [שם ט”ו ,י”ח-כ”א]
כי אב המון גויים נתתיך..והקימותי את- בריתי ביני ובינך ובין זרעך אחריך לדורותם לברית עולם להיות לך לאלוקים ולזרעך אחריך:ונתתי לך ולזרעך אחריך את ארץ מגוריך את-כל—ארץ כנען לאחוזת עולם והייתי להם לאלוקים”
[שם “ז,א-ט]
ואת הארץ אשר נתתי לאברהם וליצחק לך אתננה ולזרעך אחריך את- הארץ
Their repudiation of the Torah’s open statements raises an obvious question: They call themselves Neturei Karta (Guardians of the City). Which city exactly are they guardians of? If Israel is not the Promised Land, then presumably it’s not Yerushalayim. What then could it be? Is it Tehran?
Whether they’re Zionists or not, Jews around the world agree that Eretz Yisroel is the Promised Land. But for those masquerading as Jews while meeting with terrorists around the world and expressing their appreciation for them, it is anything but that. Shocking, yes, but is it surprising? Not really.
As has been noted in previous YWN articles, no matter how much you despise these Neturei Karta creeps, you don’t despise them enough.
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33 Responses
To the editor – I apologize for saying this, but please report stories and not add your editorial.
As much as I war against Neturei Karta, your editorial is not what they are saying
I think you misunderstood them. They meant that as Meshiach has not arrived yet, the promised land was not given to us yet.
At some point, you just hope to wake up to a headline on the news site “All Neturei Karta Arrive Safely in Gehenom Claiming Their Rightful Chelek of Olam Haboh”.
I am as much against Niturei Karta as you are and watching these type of videos makes me literally physically nauseous. However, you missed the point this time. He is not saying that Eretz Yisroel was not promised to the Jews. He is saying the State of Israel, an actual Medinah, was not promised to the Jews, and is against the Torah. He doesn’t say it clearly, but when he talks about sovereignty, he means a Medinah. So while i totally agree with you in your abhorrence of Neturei Karta, and the fact that he is making such a huge chillul Hashem when he is in solidarity with a Palestinian murderer of our brothers and sisters infuriates me too, I don’t think he was denying that Eretz Yisroel was promised to us.
remember this rule
when someone comes collecting dressed like that and has a very good english or a british accent
they are usually neturei karta
throw them out
Heaven help. You missed the boat. Lakewoodbubby put it perfectly. They are abhorrent and inexcusable in their conduct, and this interview is reprehensible and indefensible, but you missed the point. He was just saying that there is no promised land for the time being, while we are in golus. He is really just quoting one of the שלש שבועות and the application of the דברי יואל. Unluess I misunderstood. Not the radical extremism of the neturei karta. He shold have explained that לעתיד לבא it is our promised land but didn’t
What he said is that now we are in exile and do not have a promise land like saying that we didn’t have yet tichias hamesim
It is possible for a people to sin till they don’t have a blessing meant for them although God wanted that this land be until the Messiah it doesn’t say that the bies hamikdash isn’t next in tehiran you can not say that no matter what it has to be in Jerusalem it’s like saying that techias hamesim has to come from some remaining residue of the actual body and not from the thin air this would mean that if they actually destroy every last cell of abraham body there is no more Torah and techias hamesim this is not true cause God can do it from the very thin air you can not say that the Creator has to make the bies hamikdash in Jerusalem if he wants it could be in tehiran we do not boss God rather he supposedly gets some light from us and the Torah it is true that a Jew isn’t able to get rid of his neshamah in regards to his obligation to Gods Torah but it doesn’t say that the land of Israel was meant to take till the redemption but we did not merit and hashem will bring the meshiach another place. There is a Gemara clearly that says “there is no Messiah for Israel” this is clearly written there the bases of Judaism is not believing in a Messiah only in God you are an apikores of you don’t Believe in tichias hamesim that is in the pasuk we say every day in shema that Abraham will come back alive on the land of Israel and we strive for this but nobody says that it most only come from a remnants of his actual body although it is possible but not an apikores of you think God can do it from thin air also not an apikores if you think that the great day can come without a actual Meshiach only that Abraham will return to Israel in his bodily form and then the land of Israel will be with the shechina but it doesn’t mean your an apikores if you say that God can make the bies hamikdash and next Jerusalem in tehiran only this pasuk has the mesorah
לְמַעַן יִרְבּוּ יְמֵיכֶם וִימֵי בְנֵיכֶם עַל הָאֲדָמָה אֲשֶׁר נִשְׁבַּע יְהֹוָה לַאֲבֹתֵיכֶם לָתֵת לָהֶם כִּימֵי הַשָּׁמַיִם עַל הָאָרֶץ
That’s it the other pesukim brought doesn’t make an apikores
The rambam has believing in meshiach but this is only with bitachon in hashem the only thing that makes an apikores is someone that doesn’t believe completely in God or in something from the Torah that we have a mesorah on and that is what’s written in the Gemara only somebody that goes against what’s written in the Gemara psak halacha is an apikores
We strive to bring meshiach in a bodily form and it might ultimately be Abraham with techias hamesim but exactly how he will come and where the bies hamikdash will get rebuilt doesn’t make an apikores if he says in tehiran we have bitachon in Jerusalem but God doesn’t have to go by our rules he can make it in tehiran we aren’t like a heroin to the one God that he can’t get from someplace there is no power over God
What a disgusting headline. This is not apikorsus, they are saying that we currently have no claim on Eretz Yisroel. They may be very mistaken in their actions, but that does not render them apikursim.
Shame on YWN! No I don’t support NK but this headline was totally fake news as were noted in previous posts.
Strange that after all these years no one has been able to infiltrate or otherwise investigate this group enough to figure the real reason they act like lunatics. It can’t be that they are sooooo against a modern Jewish state of Israel that they have no choice but to publicly act like nut jobs. There must be a money trail somewhere leading back to Iran.
Shame on YWN! No I don’t support NK but this headline was totally fake news as were noted in previous posts. I usually just read headlines and I’m quite shocked after watching how far off you were.
Neturei Karta and anyone else that claims the Torah commandment to conquer and live in Eretz Yisroel is no longer relevant are no different than any other Reform Jews who claim there are Torah commandments that are no longer relevant.
They may be KooKoo for Coco Puffs (with 5 Heimish Hashgachas, half the product, twice the price).
Their beliefs may be twisted & abhorrent.
The willingness to associate with the other protesters may be absolutely disgusting.
BUT, as others mentioned, nothing he said was Apikorsus.
YWN this happens to you a lot. When you don’t like someone, many times you attack them unjustified. As everyone else said here, you completely misunderstood what he said. I abhor them and what they do as much as the next guy. But, as it happened with Trump during the campaign, you’re so focused on your agenda that you misquote, misinterpret, and therefore lose credibility. Get your act together YWN for once and for all and stop reporting like a twelve year old. Be professional.
Your mind is so twisted your hatred towards a Jew that has a different view of yours has no boundaries who do you think you are to make judgment you have never yet spoken to any of their leaders to listen and for them to explain their views although I agree with you that their actions are sometimes extreme and foolish but their ideology is correct and 100% according to the Torah your ideology towards Israel is totally against the Torah You’re the one that’s an apikoras not them but you’re too ashamed to admit it you just exposed what a tremendous עם הארץ you are. Just stick to bring us the news without your crooked interpretations
As usual, YWN never misses an opportunity to lie and distort the truth when given an opportunity to bash NK.
YWN, like many others, is wrong in conflating and equating “Israel” with “Eretz Yisrael”.
The NK Jew is, of course, correct that Israel is not the promised land even though some portions (not all) of the land on which Israel rules is that promised land of E”Y.
As YWN knows very well, since we are still in galus (under the yevsektzia, as Rav Elchonon wrote, for those living in the Zionist paradise), although individual Jews may move wherever they wish, we have to wait for that “promised land” until Mashiach comes.
Pathetic.
Duvidf:
It is, of course, severely prohibited to conquer E”Y while in Galus, as that is Mashiach’s job. Zionism of all flavors is far worse than Reform, who at least don’t seek to replace Judaism with Zionism, unlike Zionism.
So the heretics at the helm of th “Jewish State” are claiming NK are apikorsim.
Ok. While NK has gone too far with their antics, this is the first in a long time they stated the obvious tenet of Judaism.
Of course EY is the promised land. But NOT YET! We Jews cannot claim it until G d will send משיח to redeem us.
Sorry idiots. NK stated the truth. ומפני חטאינו גלינו מארצינו.
Bibis is the צדיק and NK are Apikorsim. Comical. NK is out of sorts in many areas but he cldntve stated it more eloquently.
Sorry Zionists. Were not blind sheep.
.ומפני חטאינו גלינו מארצינו
Sorry he is 100% correct. You are the apikoras and the עם הארץ and the Jew hater. Now you don’t have to agree with their actions you don’t have to agree how they express themselves but again there devotion to the true original Torah is 100% yours is questionable you just put your foot into your mouth now you have to go to Iran and ask them for מחילה.
well, nuts do fall far from the tree.
“Palestine” is the “Holy Land” (as he states in the video)?
What’s all the excitement about
These people aren’t Jewish .
I agree with the YWN. The interviewer is asking about the “promised LAND”; He was not talking about the Israeli government, he was talking about the LAND given to Jews by God. Obviously, he did not know the term “Eretz Yisroel” so he was using the name “Israel” to describe that land. The NK beheima was is obscuring the truth by by talking against the Israeli government.
Some people try to “explain” that all he meant is that we have no claim now on Eretz Yisroel, and it will only be given to us in the future. THIS IS APIKORSUS TOO. The Torah says very clearly that Hashem already gave us the Land 3300 years ago, and it belongs to us. Golus didn’t change that; Hashem forced most of us to leave our home and wander in strange lands, but it’s still our property.
When you go on vacation your house still belongs to you. Even when you’re in prison and can’t live in your house, it’s still your property and it must stand empty. Anyone who breaks in and lives there without your permission is a squatter, a trespasser, a thief. The Arabs are thieves, and any Jew who claims they have some right to be there, let alone a right to sovereignty there, is an apikores.
The shevuos, even if they are halachically valid (which is very questionable) are irrelevant. It’s our home and our property, even if we are temporarily forbidden from taking it back by force, or from returning there as a unified body of men rather than as individuals. The Arabs are squatters, even if we are temporarily forbidden from evicting them. And one who denies this is an apikores.
YWN, you guys have literally lost your minds. I am not at all NK, far from it, because showing solidarity with tzorerei amcha is both stupid and disgusting, but YWN are you not aware that there is a valid shita in Torah that conquering EY is assur until mashiach? I don’t know if you’re liars or just generally ignorant. I guess you think the Satmar Ruv was an apikores? What idiocy.
By the way, besides for that shita, which my kehilla doesn’t even subscribe to anyway, what was apikorsus about what he said? Do you not agree that a nation of znus, treifus, etc., etc., is not deserving of EY? You’re the apikorsim. Ever read shema? Your little pessukim collection is cute, you guys! I notice you didn’t include vaavadetem meheirah me’al ha’aretz hatova. Cute, you guys! Selective pessukim! Selective torah! (Otherwise known as kefira.) It always bothers me when abominable people like Bibi preach the world about our right to EY when that ochel shefanim has no right to it in a million years!
YWN, you guys need to go back to yeshiva and learn a little torah or something…
That said, NK is gross, as I said, because you can’t support oyvei yisroel.
Had the NK said “the current government in the state of Israel is not what the Torah meant by referring to to Israel as the promised land” he would have been making a true statement. But that is not what he said. After referring to “Palestine” as the holy land. He said that saying that “Israel is a promised LAND by G-d is a total lie” A non-Jews watching him would come to the conclusion that independent of the state of the Israel is the promised land. He does not acknowledge a belief in returning to Eretz Yisroel when Mashiach comes. That would not fit with Palestinian nationalist beliefs, Which are much more important to him than his Jewish ones.
The Chazon Ish described Neturei Karta as:
“Jews from before Matan Torah,“
by which he meant that their zeal was
not shaped by the ways of the Torah.
SOURCE: Torah Tavlin, 2009 July 11, Parshat Pinchas
When will the evil Neturei Karta be publicly condemned
by major Jewish organizations, for example:
The Orthodox Union (OU)
The Rabbinical Council of America (RCA)
National Council of Young Israel (NCYI)
Agudath Israel
Chabad and Breslov
Vaad HaRabonim of Queens
Vaad HaRabonim of Flatbush
Yeshivah University and Touro College
Misaskim, Chaveirim and Hatzoloh.
Attention all NK spin doctors here who are claiming that the NK is only rejecting the State of Israel:
The Neturei Kapo clearly stated that “Israel is not the promised LAND at all.”
These Kapos are NOT fighting Zionism, they are fighting the Rashi on the first verse in the Torah just as their Muslim brothers are.
The god of the NK (and all their supporters) is “allah”, and their prophet is Mohamed!
If you want to be dan lechaf z’chus you can say that the NK guy meant to refer to the state of Israel, not the land of Israel. However, that’s not what he said – he very clearly said that the *land* of Israel was not promised to us. In saying that, he denied the whole concept of moshiach r”l. Perhaps he’s not an apikoros, but his words, intentionally or not, we’re definitely apikorsus. אחד השוגג ואחד המזיד… Now, whether this man is in the category of people that we are obligated to be dan l’chaf z’chus is another question altogether that I’m not going to give an opinion on.
Some people explain that from the Torah and rashi we have a right to kill and chase arabs from theyre land but the only taste we have for Israel is cause of the mitzvos that we can keep there and that’s it
Milhouse:
It is not at all questionable: the shevuos are very much in force, and the Zionists have never come close to showing otherwise, despite many pathetic and futile attempts at doing so.
@SQUARE_ROOT,
Yeh I think not only the ones you mentioned, but how about it is time that the following come out against nk:
All the restuarants.
the pizza places
How about Walmarts or TESCO (the british equivalent of walmarts)
Or I know, you know the cornershop that sells the cigarettes? It is about time that they to condemn NK, why haven’t they yet??? Terrible!!
Oh and what about the
reform coomunities,
conservative communities,
lg**** organisations, they should all condemn NK….