A Chareidi avreich, armed with a firearm, was the first to charge at the terrorists during the deadly shooting attack at the Ramot Junction.
He opened fire at the attackers and assisted in neutralizing them along with an off-duty IDF soldier who serves as squad commander in the IDF’s Chashmonaim Brigade for Chareidi soldiers.
Security camera footage shows the avreich running toward the terrorists and shooting, while dozens of civilians can be seen fleeing the scene in panic.
The avreich received his gun license a year ago.
(YWN Israel Desk—Jerusalem)
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Kol Hakavod to the brave charedim who put their lives at risk to take down these evil terrorists!
I’m hoping someone here can explain to me something:
According to the charedi understanding of “Torah magen umatzel”, why did hundreds of charedim flee the scene of the attack, and why did it take armed civilians and soldiers to kill the terrorists?
Shouldn’t have these Avrechem and Bnei Yeshivah instead pulled out their gemaras and protect themselves, the others in danger, AND EVEN THE SOLDIERS, with the power of their learning??
Furthermore, why are we showing admiration and gratitude to those who shot the terrorists? They were only neutralized through the power of Limud Hatorah.
There are those who will assume I’m mocking but I believe my questions deserve serious reflection. Those who claim Charedim shouldn’t go to the army are making a physical, practical, tangible claim. They argue that the power of Limmud Hatorah is a replacement for armed protection and, in fact, is superior. They say that despite a shortage of soldiers, Charedim shouldn’t serve because they are the actual ones protecting the soldiers, not the reverse. They say that the Iron Dome does more to take down rockets than the Iron Dome.
They aren’t making some abstract claim about the power of torah. They are being very direct that Torah is more important for PHYSICAL protection than weapons yet when there is an attack, they run away and let those with weapons protect them.
I agree with Veshama Haemes.
It was a חילול השם that haredim with guns took down the terrorists rather than leave it to those who say they have the power of Torah.
The Chillul Hashem was magnified by the haredim having guns at all and one of them rachmana latzlan even having become a soldier in the haredi brigade, a clear breach of Torah values. It’s not for no reason that this haredi commander would be spit upon.
Had those with guns not intervened and left the neutralization to the Bnei Torah, we would have seen miracles. Now that they defied Da’as Torah, Da’as Torah will have difficulties explaining to the secularists why haredi soldiers are not necessary.
@veshama haemes the concept of “torah magen umatzel” isn’t some magic omen that wards of evil spirits. There are many examples of Charedim being killed whilst learning or Davening. Look at Merkaz HaRav and Har Nof massacres. Look at the Eser Harugai Malchus. At the end of the day, all those that believe in the spiritual reality set out by the Torah understand that mitzvos have an impact in the real world. Mitzvos protect klal yisroel. Does that mean we are totally untouchable? No. Does it mean Hashem can’t still send us important messages and wake-up calls? No.
Maybe the koach hatorah allowed these guns to be in near vicinity and save countless lives. Who knows how many more would have been killed without the shmira of Torah and mitzvos.
This the dumbest thing to say. We all have to do hishtadlus and when an attacker comes at you, you run. Doesn’t say anywhere to just sit there and learn and that will save you. There is no logic to comparing it to the army why people should or shouldn’t go. There it’s a question of hashkafa and learning the whole day is better than being in the army, but obviously if there is an attack right in front of you hishtadlus requires that you save yourself. Very stupid thing to say and even stupider that someone else agreed with you.
As l once heard in England “spot on”. Those that ran were true apikorsim. They had no faith in their learning.
We all know the story of the man who climbed onto roof during a flood. When the fire department went door to door urging people to evacuate, he said, “I trust in G-d.” When rescuers came in a boat, he said, “G-d will save me.” Time after time he refused help, all because he couldn’t see Who was sending the help. Hashem put us in a physical world that requires hishtadlus al pi teva. We cannot be somchim on miracles. Hashem shomer pesa’im does not negate the obligation to defend yourself and take physical precautions. A lesson lost on a specific segment of the Israeli population.
”Vesham haemes” what a DISGUSTING IDIOTIC and STUPID comment!!!
I am surprised that anyone who considers themselves to be a frum yid can react to such a tragedy in such a lowly and disturbing manner!!!
I am surprised by the commentators who wrote that hishtadlus in this situation is to run and also to put one’s own life first.
Isn’t that the opposite of what the haredi soldier did, when he said that upon hearing the shots, his obligation was to go towards the gunfire, at risk to himself, and to engage the shooters?
Was the soldier doing wrong, al pi Torah?
The reason why charedim don’t join the army is because they are anti zionist. Not because of protection by learning etc… That’s an excuse that they tell the zionists.
That’s why even a charedi who is NOT learning is still told NOT to enlist. It’s because they are anti zionist. Period.
You’re asking questions based on ridiculous false assumptions that they believe their learning protects.
You’re a fool, and a zionist, for thinking that.
Maskim Commonsense613 I was trying to be nice and logical but I should have said it straight out like what you said. Thanks for pointing it out explicitly.