Dooms,

“Wrong! Thimerosal was NOT removed. It was shuffled around. When it was EXPOSED that the amount of
mercury in vaccines exceeded EPA safety guidelines,”

Would you mind pointing out which CHILDREN vaccine still contain Thimerosal?

Furthermore, now that it has been removed from all Children vaccines and is only used in SOME flu vaccines (multi-dose vials), has that affected the rate of autism?

I will repeat, unlike you stated, thimerosal has not been shifted around, no children vaccines still contain them, even the flu shots are available as single dose vials without Thimerosal.

So what you said is incorrect, others would call it a lie. (by the way, this has been discussed earlier yet you just fail to acknowledge it and keep on repeating this lie).

Where are you getting your (mis)information? is it from age of autism??

Dooms,

Is the source of your information the website age of autism??

“1. Johns Hopkins Patient Guide warns the immunocompromised to “Avoid contact with children who are recently vaccinated,” and to “Tell friends and family who are sick, or have recently had a live vaccine (such as chicken pox, measles, rubella, intranasal influenza, polio or smallpox) not to visit”.

Can you please point out where the guide is?

This has long not been the case, in fact, John Hopkins went out of the way to clear this misconception and write that this is not the case and there is no risk even for cancer patients.

“2. Adults have contracted polio from recently vaccinated infants. A father from Staten Island ended up in a wheel chair after contracting polio while changing his daughter’s diaper. He received a 22.5 million dollar award in 2009.”

Adults, or just one case?
This was from the OPV, this happened nearly 30 years ago. The OPV vaccine is not given in the united states.

Dooms,

A. There are retrospective studies, I have pointed out a few, why are you still requesting them when they actually exist?

B. Can you please point me to a study that links vaccines to autism?

Dooms,

Can you please provide the source for someone receiving compensation based on the Cotwath breathing?

Dr Scheibner claimed in 1993 that vaccines are the main contributor to SIDS, yet from 1992 until 2006 vaccination rates went from 53% to 92%, yet in the same time SIDS has decreased with 81%.

She does not have the credentials to have an opinion, the data she provided was proven to be incorrect, the Japan claims she madehas proven to just the opposite of what she claimed.

In fact, there are many studies done that show that vaccines actually reduce the cases of SIDS. PubMed 17400342.

As was mentioned earlier, Dr Scheiber was awarded the bent spoon aware. which is awarded to the perpetrator of the most preposterous piece of pseudoscientific piffle” (in case you didn’t realize, not much of a prestigious award).

So yes, the rest of the world does not fall for studies that are incorrect, studies that contain incorrect facts, so we discard her junk science and her little invention.

Turth,

“DR ROBERT MENDELSON
If immunizations were responsible for the diminishing or disappearance of these diseases in the United States, one must ask why they disappeared simultaneously in Europe, where mass immunizations did not take place.”

I am sure that you are familiar with Dr Mendelsohn’s work, He was anti-medicine and had a whole list of stuff against medicine, including that male doctors, mistreat female patients.
He was also of the opinion that all prenatal care we do is dangerous, he also was a strong advocate against hospital births.

He was not the only physician that was against vaccines,

Dr. Immanuel Pfeiffer argued that smallpox is not contagious. after being invited to a hospital in Boston he contracted smallpox and became critically ill.

Maybe if Dr. Mendelsohn would not be against medicine, he would still be alive today.

Being that some of you consider yourself pro measles and pro polio, how about we redo the challenge that was done in the early 1900s, and subject yourself to these yummy viruses.

Unfortunately, there are a number of recent hospitalizations and admissions to ICU of unvaccinated children that contracted the measles virus, they developed bad cases of pneumonia, these are the short-term complications.

These children are victims of their parents’ nonsensical belief that is based on garbage science.

Dooms,

“Folks, it is Very Sad that Yserbius is incapable of understanding that just because He or the CDC does not AGREE with the 157 Studies Linking Vaccines to Autism, it is still a LIE to say There AREN’T any studies linking
Vaccines to Autism. Of course, there are.”

That is NOT (Mods, sorry for the CAPS) what Yserbius has stated, not that they disagree with these studies (which may or may not be the case), only that they do not imply what you say that they imply.

At this point, I am fairly convinced that you are not such a rational person, more like an ‘alternative’ person.

Dooms,

“When you add up SIDS + Unknown Causes (what’s difference?) + accidental suffocation / strangulation
you will the number of HEALTHY Babies dying in their sleep BARELY CHANGED!”

Once again, you are twisting the truth.

Posted in Pediatrics.

Postneonatal deaths in total of have declined 21.9% where SIDS have declined 38.9%.

The increases in other areas (by a percent or so) are the reason why the overal postneonatal rate has not declined as much as the SIDS rate has declined.

Unlike you posted, there was an overall decline in postneonatal mortality. There has not been any change in name, SIDS is still SIDS, just like before all mortality up until the first year of age goes under the postneonatal category.

Dooms,

“I quoted from the Merck MANUAL which explains the causes of encephalitis as:”

Not sure why you are implying that this was not what I was referring to. You misquoted as if the Merck manual (or insert) implies that the MMR vaccine is not safe, it actually implies just the opposite, in fact, it clearly states the opposite.
I posted it and you just move on, as if nothing happened.

As I stated earlier, you are either very dumb or just a fraud.

Dooms,

As the study I posted earlier details the decline we see in sIDS yet more children receive vaccines than before, which demonstrates that SIDS have nothing to do with vaccines.

Dooms,

You lied (or just reposted from some radical site) about the MMR insert, I posted the actual insert which clearly indicates the opposite of what you implied.

Do you have an agenda, because truth and facts are not your thing.

Dooms,

This has been rehashed so many times, yet you just repeat it time after time as if no one has explained this to you.

Since you do not acknowledge the response, I would assume that your intention is not the facts, rather to overload the discussion with repetitive nonsense.

If you would appreciate a comprehensive review of the VAERS reporting system and the data, read below.

“This comprehensive review of death reports to VAERS for the period 1 July 1997 through 31 December 2013 indicates that the most common causes of death in VAERS were consistent with the leading causes of death in the US population (Table 6) [13]. The 2149 deaths described in this study were reported to VAERS during a period of time when approximately 2 billion doses of vaccine were distributed for use in the United States. This translates to roughly 1 reported death per 1 million doses of vaccine distributed. Because the majority of death reports were in children, the most common causes of death were in this age group. SIDS was the leading cause of death (28.1%) among all reports and accounted for 51.7% of death reports in infants, which is consistent with infant mortality data that place SIDS as the third leading cause of death in the United States among infants, after congenital malformations, deformations, and chromosomal abnormalities; and disorders related to short gestation and low birthweight [13, 16]. The male predominance of death reports in our study is driven by SIDS reports in which males accounted for 62%. This is consistent with studies that found males to be at higher risk of SIDS [17]. SIDS occurs rarely during the first month of life and peaks between 2–3 months of age [17]. Because SIDS peaks at a time when children are receiving many recommended vaccinations, it would not be unexpected to observe a coincidental close temporal relationship between vaccination and SIDS [18]. SIDS deaths in the United States have been declining since the early 1990s for a variety of factors that include recommended changes in sleeping position and environment, clarification of the case definition, and diagnostic coding shifts [19–22]. This downward trend in SIDS reports has also been observed in SIDS reports submitted to VAERS since the early 1990s [7] and has continued during the years of this review from 1997 through 2013. There is considerable evidence that vaccination is not causally associated with SIDS [18, 22, 23], including an Institute of Medicine (IOM) review in 2003 that rejected a causal association between the whole cell pertussis–containing vaccine (which is no longer in use in the United States) and SIDS and between exposure to multiple simultaneous vaccines and SIDS [21].”

I realize that the post is getting a bit long, but this is from the CDC:

Anyone who gives or receives a licensed vaccine in the U.S. is encouraged to report any significant health problem that occurs after vaccination. An adverse event can be reported even if it is uncertain or unlikely that the vaccine caused it. Reporting to VAERS helps scientists at CDC and FDA better understand the safety of vaccines

ANYONE CAN REPORT TO VAERS, its encouraged and easy to do so, the report does not need to even include evidence that the illness is linked to vaccine.

Dooms,.

“Rav Shmuel shlitah said that Yeshivas/BY may not stop unvaccinated children from attending Yeshiva/BY.
You don’t consider that an anti-vax position?”

Nope note at all, this is not an anti-vax position, it just means that the schools must accept them.
Furthermore, he has not said this when there was an outbreak, even if he were to say so, does not mean that he recommends not vaccinating. otherwise, he would have said so.

Dooms,

“Vaccines are NOT safety tested the same way Medicine is. There are NO PLACEBO Tests comparing Vaxxed to Unvaxxed like MUST be done for all other new medicine by LAW!;”

Really? from where are you taking your facts, you cannot just make up facts then use it as an argument.

If this is your tactic, we will never end as you can just manufacture facts as you see fit.

Truth,

So your saying the burden of proof is to prove something thats made up does not exist?

Your making up facts and asking others to prove theybdo not exist?

The safety of vaccines has been extensively researched. Yes there has been some provider related injuries, rare allergic reactions.

Doom,

Your amazing, you have brought up the Geneva argument in the past, I responded to it, yet you make believe like no one said anything about it

So now, explain why it is in violation

Doom,

“The only study I heard Anti-Vaxxers ask for is a RETROSPECTIVE Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study.
Congress requested from the CDC a Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed Study, but the CDC refuses.”

A. There have been numerous studies, I myself have provided a few on the other thread, not sure why you fail to appreciate responses that are directed at your posts, (I guess because all you can do is just copy paste from some silly radical site). If you would actually care about facts, you would not just repeat the same questions time after time.

B. Please provide the source of these requests made by Congress to the CDC?

Is doom a bot that just posts what it was programmed to post without even acknowledging appropriate responses?

Dooms,

“and there are DOCTORS who WITNESSED it! And those Doctors Know Vaccines are dangerous but
if they don’t continue vaccinating they will lose their license!”

So are you accusing doctors of knowingly harming their patients? do you have a list of these doctors and what is the basis of these accusations??

It feels like a one-sided conversation, it is not like you are appreciating the responses you just continue to spew the nonsense that you have been taught on these anti-medicine radical sites.

Dooms,

“What exactly does this study prove?”

It appears that Health was referring to this study. JAMA 2275444

“Conclusions and Relevance In this large sample of privately insured children with older siblings, receipt of the MMR vaccine was not associated with increased risk of ASD, regardless of whether older siblings had ASD. These findings indicate no harmful association between MMR vaccine receipt and ASD even among children already at higher risk for ASD.”

Does this answer your question?

“I am PRO Polio and Measels! You vaxxers never stopped to analyze the benefits of not vaxing.”

Not sure if you have noticed, we just dont like to play along with your nonsensical approach, which means supporting your religion cult-like belief about vaccines.

unfortunately, I and others have analyzed the adverse outcomes of these viruses, either through individuals I know or by treating them in a clinical context.

It is people like you, who go for one-liners that are guilty of spreading lies and nonsense which results in pain and adverse outcomes for others. You should be made aware that the majority WRITTEN daas torah clearly labels people like you in a very bad way, you are guilty of scaring people and will have to give a din vcheshbon for causing them to go through so much pain and suffering.

Dooms ,

I was waiting for you to bring up Judy A. Mikovits, She has only began siding with the anti vaccinators when she was sidelined for not acknowledging that her findings about the XMRV were proven to be incorrect in a blinded study which included her own lab.
She refused to acknowledge that and refused to give up material that did not belong to her, only later when she was sidelined and believed that all her partners are involved in a conspiracy did she join the anti vaccine movement.

however, you fail to notice she is a big believer in vaccines, only that there was some contaminant at one point. All of this is unfounded and she has been discredited a long time ago, nonetheless, she does not advocate against vaccinations.

Dooms, the answer is yes.

Thruth,

Is it your opinion that the amount of emulsifiers in vaccines are considered ‘regular diet’?

Your implying that the amount contained in vaccines us dangerous, you link a study which does not imply the same.

So after all, its your personal opinion that the vaccines are unhealthy, is that not so?

Truthshudden,

I am waiting for the apology of you publicly posting something that vaccines cause cancer.

In case no one realized, dooms makes a statement, because dooms stated so, it becomes fact. Which is the bases of the argument.

Accuses everyone of lying, but dismisses any response that actually explains why not only is it not a lie, but a complete miss understanding (probably deliberately) of what is actually the truth.

Dooms,

“2Scents – explain to my WHY CDC refuses to do a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study?”

There are many explanations why it is not ethical not to vaccinate a group of people just for the purpose of a study, however the data is pretty clear, See below. (of course you only accept made up and twisted data that supports your theory, not true data).

JAMA 2275444

Conclusions and Relevance: In this large sample of privately insured children with older siblings, receipt of the MMR vaccine was not associated with increased risk of ASD, regardless of whether older siblings had ASD. These findings indicate no harmful association between MMR vaccine receipt and ASD even among children already at higher risk for ASD.