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  • in reply to: Explaining to girls that only boys light the Chanukah Menorah #1437031
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    Oy avrammd you make good points but you are quite merciless 🙈

    in reply to: Explaining to girls that only boys light the Chanukah Menorah #1436969
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    And what is so distorted about the above examples of twisted halacha etc.?

    Torah is the best thing for us and the world. Its the blueprint and instruction manual for the world. Following Torah is the best thing possible and leads to the best life possible for need and non Jews.

    If a frum or not frum woman reads any of what you write and comes to the sad conclusion that a not frum woman leads a better and more fulfilling life than a woman would in a halachic society, that is wrong because it is simply untrue and to imply otherwise by twisting things out of context, is a travesty.

    in reply to: Explaining to girls that only boys light the Chanukah Menorah #1436967
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    My point is that I can fully agree with you on that. However, fighting these erroneous attitudes with halachos quoted out of context which is also a perversion of the Torahs view of women is like trying to put out fire with kerosene because it’s liquid just like water.

    Enjoy this entertainment piece – I came up with it once when thinking about how people can run off with ain haisha ela lyofi to erroneously justify cosmetic surgery for shidduchim or talking to women and telling them they were created to incubate and pop babies because ain haisha ela lbonim.

    Those kind of people may read “Ain haisha ela lyofi” and conclude that since “sheker hachein vhevel hayofi”
    Women =sheker. And since “midvar sheker tirchak” all people ie men should keep their distance from women.

    I’m sure you’d agree the above is ludicrous even though I just quoted three pesukim and maamarei chazal. The reason why is because it’s all twisted out of context to imply a non Jewish Islamic hashkofa which isn’t Torah.

    If you think the above is anything other than humour I’d advise you to seriously learn pnimius HaTorah as you aren’t getting the hashkofa of Torah on your own.

    If you have any questions on this I’ll be happy to answer 🙂

    in reply to: shalom mordechai is OUT…..BARUCH HASHEM! Its Zos Chanukah #1436995
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    ” zero problems with banking or immigration issues since they assumed ownership”

    BH glad to hear the feds didn’t see put to go after and financially ruin another yid. Maybe they saw it wasn’t worth it from Rubashkin….

    That comment made me cringe as well. Please educate yourselves. I know the Rubashkins personally, and they are so honest and kind and amazing – if you’d like to hear stories I can go on and on.

    This sentence was the equivalent of putting someone in jail for 27 years because they didn’t list the 20 dollar bills they made babysitting on their tax form…

    They were millionaires and lived in a normal sized house and used their money for chessed. Were so normal and unassuming that you would never know they had money

    Just one story- one year erev pesach a man from the community with a large family came running in to the Rubashkins house all stressed out. He frantically told SMR that his fridge broke and doesn’t know what to do. SMR told him not to worry and calmly instructed him to tell leah to give him one of their (2 or 3 hosting over 50 people abd making everything from scratch) fridges.

    in reply to: Explaining to girls that only boys light the Chanukah Menorah #1436997
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    Anyhow one can unfortunately conclude from halachos quoted out of context that the Torah cvs disrespects women when the truth is completely the opposite – the Torah very much cares for the honour of bnos Yisrael.

    in reply to: Explaining to girls that only boys light the Chanukah Menorah #1436975
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    BTW since you know Rambam so well in the topic of men and women and you quoted that halacha, please remind me and all of us if a woman comes before A man if there is only one outfit of clothing, and for pidyon shvuim as well? I think it’s both and the reason is because a woman had more shame and tznius than a man

    in reply to: Explaining to girls that only boys light the Chanukah Menorah #1436676
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    Joseph correct me if I’m wrong but what I’ve inferred from previous posts is that the reason you’re so gung ho about this topic is because you feel the world today disrespects men and Jewish people are falling into non Torah feminist attitudes which are actually vicious against men in some cases, such as the “I can wear whatever I want and you should just look away” disgusting attitude, so you feel got need to correct that. Am I correct?

    in reply to: A compliment (or, r”l, an insult) vs a mere statement of fact? #1436329
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    @WTP fascinating!! Where did you learn that?

    in reply to: The Chofetz Chaim’s Best Friend — How not to be friends or a spouse #1436090
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    @ziongate then we are in agreement. It’s fine to socialise as long as it isn’t just to waste time, or as Joseph says, sorting the breeze.

    I learned about mammals etc and think it is wrong to term humans as such, just as we don’t term animals walking plants because they both grow and are alive.this is where the mistaken be a ideology drives from. As I said we are a class above.

    We possess an animalistic soul but aren’t meant to become animals.

    And bless your soul too:)

    in reply to: A compliment (or, r”l, an insult) vs a mere statement of fact? #1435884
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    @non political would love to hear more on the unique avoda etc.

    in reply to: Explaining to girls that only boys light the Chanukah Menorah #1435741
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    Did you post that reason before? I didn’t see it. If you did I apologise. I have no problem with the Rambam cvs, I have a problem with you inserting this halacha here in this discussion in response to my bringing and explaining the Zohar that shows how men and women are complimentary and equal. By inserting this halacha here, you imply that you disagree with the above and are trying to rebut it and show that women are sub men.

    Hence my response.

    This still has nothing to do with the Zohar or with other sources that I brought.

    Halacha affects every area of our life and of course in the context of saving a life there needs to be halacha on who to save first. In that same context, a Cohen comes before A Levi who comes before A Yisrael. Yet no one would imply that the essence of a Levi is subpar to the Cohen…

    You asked why that halacha is. I told you what I had learned which is not made up just because you haven’t heard it, the same way the Rambam isn’t made up just because I didn’t hear it before. If you’d like I can try to get the source for that reason – id need to reread my notes from the class and if the source isn’t mentioned, contact the Rabbi who gave it.

    As far as the Rambams reason, yes that makes sense. Men draw down more hamshachos than women, which is the main avoda at the time of golus, however by the Geulas times, we will celebrate who we are which is more the idea of women – she makes the child Jewish while the man directs the avoda of the child – as is written, “nekeiva tisovev gever.”

    We have already entered the era where women’s qualities are being highlighted and appreciated worldwide – the maala of the mekabel as we come closer and closer to the Geula.

    Some typos in my previous post : *Mashpia, Mekabel, wife, Torah

    in reply to: Explaining to girls that only boys light the Chanukah Menorah #1435747
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    I think you have to be extremely cautious in general becuse since men are meant to lead the household, and eizohi isha ksheira osa rtzon baala, a woman can tend to feel Slighted as one of her maalos is that she is a mekabel, open to receiving the influence of her husband, but she can feel she is subpar as is represented by the medrash of the sun and moon.

    Sun is Mashpia, moon mekabel. Man is Mashpia woman is mekabel. Hashem created them equally great but when the Nov complained that ee efshar lshtei melachim lhishtamesh bkeser Echad – we both can’t be the leader – Hashem said fine you’ll look smaller. But when the moon crowd over the injustice, Hashem gave it stars (or children where the mother is Mashpia) when the moon said it’s still not fair to be seen as less than, Hashem gave it more and more to compensate until finally He said we should bring for Him a kapara every month for making the moon smaller as it really was intended to be equally as great.

    When moshiach comes everyone will appreciate the role and bittul of the mekabel and it won’t be seen as less than anymore in an egotistical world.

    Until then be nizhar bkvod bnos Yisrael.

    in reply to: Explaining to girls that only boys light the Chanukah Menorah #1435743
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    On the topic of the Rambam being nizhar with kovod bnos Yisrael, the Rambam paskens that if there are rumours going around of a girl doing something inappropriate but there are no witnesses or proof, then she is Kasher to marry even the Kohen Gadol, and you can look up the exact reason but I think it is because we have to be extremely cautious of being mizalzel the kovod of bnos Yisrael.

    in reply to: The Chofetz Chaim’s Best Friend — How not to be friends or a spouse #1435737
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    @ziongate I don’t understand what you disagree with. I disagree with the term you used social animals – we are not animals we are a class above. Calling us animals is like calling animals plants.
    Aside from that do you disagree with my statement that we are not meant to waste time for the sake of wasting time?

    in reply to: Explaining to girls that only boys light the Chanukah Menorah #1435714
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    “I’m with Chabbadshlucha on this one (though I definitely didn’t need to learn Chassidus to get there) 😀”

    Now that my statement was let through allow me to clarify. I don’t think most people here think this way, as can be seen from the conversations. The problem is, it seems although people here are rubbed the wrong way with these statements, it seems that there is no Torah response, which means that the result can be, a “Joseph” can make warped statements, and come away thinking this represents Torah thinking cvs, because the people who cry foul don’t have A Torah response.

    I am a bit shocked because I NEVER heard such sentiments from a frum yid before. The reason is, I think, because when you learn the pnimius HaTorah on what men and women represent, you learn about Za and Malchus, Ma”d and Ma”n, Maps and Mekareved, Or Ain Sof and Shechina, you come away with the understanding that these are complementary energies, with each being utterly necessary, and no one being essentially greater than the other. So you will never come to utter such statements in the name of Torah, because you understand that when you see a source that favors one, there will be another that favors the other.

    Besides for that, just seeing the way The Rebbe treated his mother and his wife –

    He visited his mother every day when she lived near him, and didn’t turn his back to her –

    He said that the tea time he spends every day with his wishes was as dear to him as the time he put on tefillin-

    No one would dream of saying such things as both from chairs and the Rebbe’s personal example it is clear that Torah is nizhar with the kovod of bnos Yisrael.

    And I would think that Joseph and his ilk have their own gedolim they look up to that act in the same way. So that’s why I’m a bit shocked by this kind of rhetoric.

    in reply to: Explaining to girls that only boys light the Chanukah Menorah #1435710
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    Please quote the Rambam. I don’t see any Rambam quoted here. And what I learned was not made up to fit a feminist algebra. As you can see I have no problem attacking feminism when its attitudes are anti Torah.

    Regardless of what the Rambam says, there is a klal that the chachomim were nizhar with the kovod of bnos Yisrael. When you quote a halacha that a man’s life comes first within the context of implying that women are sub men like the Arabs, that’s your issue, not the Rambams.

    I’m eagerly awaiting the quote.

    in reply to: The Chofetz Chaim’s Best Friend — How not to be friends or a spouse #1435709
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    Great so we’re in agreement. I also don’t like wasting time with my husband, we strive to learn together or work on meaningful projects or mitzvos. If that was your point you could have just quoted pirkei avos, “Al tarbe sicha im haisha bishto… Kal vchomer beishes chavero.”

    And of course with a marriage there needs to be time spent enjoying the relationship but that’s a mitzva not wasting time.

    Same with friends. If you play a game to relax so that afterwards you have more energy and mental space to learn or do mitzvos, it’s great.

    If your waste time just to waste time that’s problematic.

    But you could have just said that.

    in reply to: A compliment (or, r”l, an insult) vs a mere statement of fact? #1435708
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    Yeah sure. Leahs beauty was marred because she cried so much, veinei Leah rakos. She was different than Rochel, Rochel was destined to marry Yaakov and as he was an Ish Tam, she was a tzaddekes from the beginning.

    Leah was meant to marry Esav as she had a special ability to transform him -Dina inherited that ability which was why she went out to try to convert /educate the daughters of shechem. As Rashi says, kima kbita she was like her mother who had this incredible power to transform reshaim to tzaddikim. Which is also why Yaakov was punished for withholding her from Esav. Because she could also have caused him to do teshuva.

    However, leah understandably did not want to marry Esa, and cried and begged Hashem to allow her to marry Yaakov. Even though she was not his true zivug she succeeded in her tefillos and through her constant tefillos elevated herself through humility and avoda to marry Yaakov. So she had the bitterness of a baal teshuva which is why her beauty did not radiate as much as Rachel s did.

    Of course it goes without mention that as she worked so hard on herself, her spiritual level was even higher than Rachel . She merited to have half the shevatim and ended up being the wife that Yaakov spent most of his life with.

    in reply to: Explaining to girls that only boys light the Chanukah Menorah #1435449
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    Yes how does that contradict what I learned? I suppose my comment before was too sharp to be approved, so I guess I’m glad there are moderators, but this kind of way of reading halacha as seeing women the way the Arabs do, and twisting halacha to defend it is really inexcusable.

    in reply to: Explaining to girls that only boys light the Chanukah Menorah #1434587
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    Because it won’t hurt the woman as much as she is mentally ready to give up her life more for others. We learned this topic in one of our halachic thought classes.

    in reply to: Explaining to girls that only boys light the Chanukah Menorah #1434598
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    Interesting, when I learned that class I thought it was interesting but wouldn’t come to any good use as I am not a Rav so what use do I have for it, although it was very interesting. Now I understand why I learned it. Because people can unfortunately so misunderstand the kavana of halacha which used to be clear in past generations. This is one of the reasons why we need Chassidus today – the darkness of golus has grown so great that people can twist the meaning behind halacha horrifically, and this is just one example. I probably would be no different either. Pnimius ha Torah is necessary today because we are in such a dark golus that without it, people can use halacha, the body of Torah, to imply horrible things!😭

    in reply to: Explaining to girls that only boys light the Chanukah Menorah #1434313
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    @mtab if you want to quote sources maybe you should quote the other side: that Hashem told Moshe ko somar lbeis Yaakov these are the women, see rashi and sifsei chachomim who explain that Hashem saw that when he told Adam not to eat from the etz hadaas, he messed up. So now Hashem wants Moshe to go to the women first to tell them about the Torah first. And in order to motivate them, he should speak softly to the women and they will be inspired, but to the men he had to speak of the harsh punishments.

    The Rebbe further clarifies that Adam messed up because the entire yetzer hara was on the one mitzvah he was given. He was also a great man, ytzir kapov shel HKBH, so the yetzer hara was correspondingly great. So no wonder he messed up. Yet, by Hashem saying He should have gone to the woman first, this teaches us that If He had told chava first, then not only would she not have been messed over by the arguments of the nachash, she would also have prevented Adam from sinning.

    How bout the fact that the women didn’t sin by chet haegel and the men did? And it wasn’t because they loved their jewellery too much as they were the first to donate it to the mishkan, they eagerly arrived to donate even before the men. See rashi on vayovou haanashim al hanashim.

    They didn’t sin by chet hamiraglim either.

    What’s my point? Point is men and women are equal, as the Zohar says 2 halves of one whole. The woman is like the heart aNd the man is like the brain. Both are equally vital for the body to function and live. We need both.

    Being different there are areas where women excel- namely in emuna, middos etc. The heart stuff- which is why they werent swayed from Hashem, even when rationally it made more sense to follow the erev Rav and the meraglim.

    Men excel in the brain stuff- especially Daas. Making the correct logical decisions on tough topics without letting emotion blur the facts. That’s why the men are Rabbonim and need to set the spiritual standard at home.

    So you can bring any sources to prove who is better but that is stupidity as each has its maalos where they do better and we need both to have a happy healthy Jewish home and nation, and these kind of arguments or debates are like saying which organ should we cut out of the body, the heart or the brain?

    in reply to: If Donald Trump were to מְגַיֵּר and become Jewish… #1434314
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    That would miss the whole point and that’s why he isn’t gonna convert.

    in reply to: The Chofetz Chaim’s Best Friend — How not to be friends or a spouse #1434315
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    So how would you define Dovid and Yonasans friendship? And im asking you, even though youre quoting Rabbi Miller, because his point from his own words is not to hock a cheinik with anyone, and you’re bolding some words to make a point that you shouldn’t be friends with a spouse which was definitely not his point.

    in reply to: shalom mordechai is OUT…..BARUCH HASHEM! Its Zos Chanukah #1434117
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    @kitov that’s an outrageous post- to say it’s great someone sat in jail for 8 years and lost agri processors etc so you can save a few cents…that is assuming that’s even true.

    Anyhow, if you want to know, the reason why this is such big big deal is because there is great spiritual significance for all the Jewish people here, and that’s why many Yiddin have been touched from all kreizin.

    Rabbi Wolf from maayan Yisrael has some great points on what’s been going on between this and Yerushalayim etc… The voice notes are going around,whoever is curious can get ahold of them. He learns allot and quotes many sources.

    anyhow moshiach is definitely coming, and as getzel Rubashkin, SMRs son said that he was working one minute and then he heard the news and had to run to get to his father, without even a minute to change his pants.

    The Geula will come the same way – bhesech hadaas, although we are expecting it, just like SMRS freedom, so let’s make sure we are wearing our best Torah and mitzvos “pants” cuz he’s coming very soon and once he does we won’t have time to change our pants, so let’s chap arein and live the best way while we still have the chance

    in reply to: shalom mordechai is OUT…..BARUCH HASHEM! Its Zos Chanukah #1431176
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    Amazing to see klal Yisrael celebrating together! If this is how it is when one yid goes free, imagine the simcha when we all go free from golus bkarov!!!

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    in reply to: Feminism #1431079
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    There are women’s responsibilities and mens responsibilities. And we can help each other with our responsibilities but we have Different complimentary contributions to the family unit, just as we do physically. Make and female energies complement each other. And it’s just not smart and untrue you say we’re both the same. We clearly aren’t.

    Instead of wanting women to be just like men, which is insulting to wonen how bout celebrating being women?

    in reply to: Feminism #1431080
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    I think the feminist movement started off well but now it’s vetted way off track. Today we should have a chauvenist movement if anything as it is men who are mocked all the time disrespected and their role devalued.

    in reply to: A compliment (or, r”l, an insult) vs a mere statement of fact? #1430777
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    @blublu because when someone is truly something spiritually it even permeates their physical reality. Like Rachel being described as beautiful -what did physical beauty have to do with being one of the imahos? Rather, she was so spiritually beautiful and atzaddekes, as all our imahos were besides for leah who was at the level of a baalas teshuva, that their beauty radiated and was reflected even physically. Same with the daughters of asher marrying cohanim gedolim. And same with Shaul hamelech – his physical height reflected his spiritual height

    in reply to: Explaining to girls that only boys light the Chanukah Menorah #1430808
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    @rebyidd where do you see I ascribe to that belief? Ie why are you telling me what Joseph believes?

    @avik maybe the quote was about her involvement in politics when she was younger? Anyone know what I am taking about?

    in reply to: Explaining to girls that only boys light the Chanukah Menorah #1430784
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    “Chabadshlucha, I doubt evry much that Golda’s children needed her. She was 71 when she was elected PM. Both of her children were in their 50s.”

    Interesting. I have heard this quote several times. But I was referring to younger children in my post.

    in reply to: Explaining to girls that only boys light the Chanukah Menorah #1430722
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    @rebyidd a servant to men, no such thing. Serving Hashem through fulfilling my role, yes

    in reply to: Explaining to girls that only boys light the Chanukah Menorah #1430632
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    “all the action in mens section – women just spectators from ezras nashim”

    Yes the men are able to draw down hamshachos that women d as well, and that’s why they’re the main players in the shul. Afaik, this is to atone for the meraglim who gathered as a congregation for bad. So now they need to gather as a congregation for good to bring down higher levels of Elokus to the world to make up for the lack they created. Similar to woman being granted the mitzvah of challa to make up for Chavas sin.

    We weren’t part of the meraglim fiasco so we don’t need Minyan. But we also don’t draw down the same hamshachos men do consequently.

    Anyhow yes I wouldn’t invite a not yet frum woman to meet me in shUl because we’re not the main players there. Id invite her to a Shabbos or yt meal in my home, where I’m the main player. Ishto zu baiso.

    in reply to: A compliment (or, r”l, an insult) vs a mere statement of fact? #1430648
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    Because then his wife can look up to him and it just matches, as she is meant to look up to him (assuming he earns it)

    in reply to: Explaining to girls that only boys light the Chanukah Menorah #1430607
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    “I’m trying to think about this from a girls perspective. Sh’asanee Kirtzono, mommy doesn’t make kidush, lulav and esrog, all the action in mens section – women just spectators from ezras nashim….I’m sure they feel like second class citizens and all the logic in the world is not going to change that…my simple answer is that men and women have different roles and we’re all supposed to fulfill our tafkid (ask not what your country can do for you but rather…) It’s a huge arduous task in today’s day and age and need to battle herd mentality mores and a value system antithetical to our mission statement. Gotta have emunah that hashem will bring things around to true reality and each will be happy with their place and role”

    Well I’m a woman so here. When I was a girl, I didn’t light because that wasnt our minhag.Yes tatte makes kiddush etc. And women have a special yt on rosh chodesh that men don’t have, women don’t work after menorah lighting for half hour while tatte can, most importantly, women make the child Jewish,and have the most influence on the attitude of the kids towards Yiddishkeit.

    I don’t understand why people cry for women. We have a very important role, and the men do too!just to explain as some people seem to feel bad for us… If a man saved three kids from going off the Derech by his efforts, he would praise Hashem for giving him the zchus…. Women with their Avodas Hashem, create and imbue a love for Yiddishkeit within their kids so they add ten or so more ovdei Hashem to the Jewish nation! That’s a great task and responsibility and I’m very happy to fulfill it.

    Unfortunately our world is a bit confused… I meet Non Jewish women all the time who so regret not having children and just focusing on their career as they were encouraged to do, they missed out and only realized when it was too late.

    As Golda Meir once said she regretted being prime minister, because there are lots of men capable for the post, but no one was able to fill in as a mother to her children when they needed her…

    in reply to: Question I don’t know the answer to :) 🤔 #1428322
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    I’ve got my rational answer now, thanks for all your help and input :

    Of course Hashem could have made an alternate system. But that alternate system would be completely different from without the concept of pain / suffering. It wouldn’t include Allot of things that we like that go with this system such as bad actions /people getting punished, much of kindness, work ethic / lfum tzaara agra. In fact, being that we were created in this system, we couldn’t imagine life outside it!

    So instead of wishing for something you don’t even know What you’re wishing for,enjoy all there is from this system, and there is much to enjoy.

    As far as the hard times which aren’t fun, when we know the full picture we will appreciate that too.

    Hard times push people to look deep inside and bring out their greatest strengths and previously untapped potential. There is much resultant good when dealt with correctly.

    In fact, when moshiach comes, we are promised that we will see the full picture and then thank Hashem for all the hard times.

    Until then, let’s not waste life because we have a question. We were given a precious little window of time to specs here and make a difference – so let’s be sure to use it!

    Lchaim! A freilichen Chanukah!

    in reply to: Self worship musings #1428303
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    @joseph let’s just say I’m not posted in America….

    @wtp
    Happy to clarify. My list is the list of priorities of where to devote my energies.
    Like this :

    Hashem (as clarified by the Rebbe and Rabbonim)
    Husband
    Children
    Parents
    Community
    Individuals /friends outside community

    If I would be in the list, it would mean I devote my energies tiaras serving myself, hence a misuse of my energies. Rather, i need to have energies to devote to all the above so I take care of myself.

    in reply to: Hey, RebYidd #1428302
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    True I forgot about the eved knaani. But that is not at all like the American slavery. For example if you knocked out a tooth, he would go free. He had to rest on shabbos with you etc.

    in reply to: Hey, RebYidd #1428105
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    The Torah isn’t pro slavery or it wouldn’t be a curse.

    in reply to: Self worship musings #1428104
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    Alas syag, you have mistaken my intentions again. I meant to show you no hard feelings, as you have been a bit overly sensitive to my posts. Sorry I keep rubbing you the wrong way:(

    in reply to: Whoa… 5778… 2018… 8! #1426436
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    Did you notice that every major Jewish event in history ended with 8? Matan Torah 2448. Entering EY 2488
    Churban 3338. How bout moshiach 5778.

    I actually came across an article written 20 years ago saying how moshiach had to come 5778 and there were a bunch of angry comments that we don’t need to wait till then.

    Something based on numbers -I’m not mathematical so didn’t quite get it.

    in reply to: Congratulations Judge Roy Moore! #1426409
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    I thought he lost

    in reply to: Who is the new leader of Klal Yisrael? #1426396
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    What about Rav Samuel Auerbach? Isn’t he also big in the litvishe world? And a peer to Rav Shteinman (Curious, I’m a bit clueless here)

    in reply to: Question I don’t know the answer to :) 🤔 #1426384
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    @mentch1 the world wasnt create in order for Hashem to give – if He had to give and needed to create us in order to give, than He wouldn’t be perfect cvs.

    Rather, once He wanted to create, since He is Tov, and teva hatov lheitiv, Ain ra yored min hashomayim, only good. Even harsh punishments are good – just we prefer to see the good ourselves.That’s the difference between chessed and gevura.

    As far as how is it worth it for us? Sometimes, now, we don’t appreciate the suffering, hence noach lo ladam.. But when moshiach comes, we will really see the full purpose of the distressing and what it accomplished, and will tell Hashem oidcha ki anafta bi.

    in reply to: Chanuka Menorah #1426389
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    Wtp+1 also they found in the Cairo geniza a drawing of the Rambam of the Menorah and it is diagonal

    in reply to: Question I don’t know the answer to :) 🤔 #1426160
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    Wow it’s fun to be part of a thread where we can all agree at least respectfully hear and learn from each other. Some pointers :


    @gaon
    thanks allot. I’m sure that is another way of understanding it, and there are shiviim panim laTorah. However that being said, I can’t say to the fellow that what he said is incorrect because I remember learning it myself and is definitely a part of Torah just another facet. Assuming based on kabbola. Haven’t seen it in some time though so can’t remember it clearly enough to answer all questions on it. I think the posuk Norah alila al bnei Adam tied in. This means Hashem makes awesome libels / set ups against man. I note that isn’t helpful without the full picture. I’ll try to look it up.


    @dy
    maybe he’ll go for it and regardless its a great mashal thanks!!
    Only problem is that Hashem isn’t limited – He can create a satisfying and just system of He wanted.

    So ultimately it does boil down to emuna- at least to new I haven’t found a purely rational answer yet as wtp said as well

    And obviously it’s impossible to fully understand Hashem, but up to the point of Atzilus at least, there’s allot He’s given us to be able to understand so we can learn and grow abs follow in His Ways.

    in reply to: Question I don’t know the answer to :) 🤔 #1424822
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    Wow gaon thanks for that! I admit I don’t know the source offhand, I definitely didn’t tell him that, it wouldn’t have helped anyway, he told me he learned that. And as I have the concept before, and also with regards to chet haegel, that it was kind of a set up so bnei Yisrael could attain the level of Baalei teshuva which is higher than tzaddikim, I wasn’t going to tell him it’s not true. He learned it himself, and I’ve heard it to. I would love to see the source inside (could be I originally saw it in a maamar but it’s been some time.) I’ll ask around and try to get back. Shame sechel hayashar isn’t here to help. If anyone else knows it please fill us in

    in reply to: Spiritual Significance of Jerusalem and embassy announcement #1424542
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    I found it but couldn’t copy and paste. If you’d like to see it yourself, search זוהר ישחק ילעג למו ירושלים

    in reply to: Spiritual Significance of Jerusalem and embassy announcement #1424538
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    But to elaborate, apparently Yerushalayim is the issue that the nations will clash about right before moshiach comes. Anyone know the exact Targum Yonasan excerpt that discusses it?

    I just heard a fascinating Zohar on this embassy topic- on the posuk yoshev bashomayim yischak yilag amo, which is that up till now Hashem exacted punishment from our enemies from behind closed curtains above. However, by the end of days, basketball will redress all souls of wicked people in current leaders of nations – and they will gather together in a place where the nations meet (hello, the UN!) and they will start out trying to conceal their agenda by discussing if we have legal rights over Yerushalayim. However in the end their real meaning will come out, but they won’t succeed because Hashem will mock them.

    I would love to see the source for this inside, also if anyone has any other Yerushalayim moshiach nevuos/ mefarshim to share im all ears!!

    in reply to: Spiritual Significance of Jerusalem and embassy announcement #1424500
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    @syag sorry about the post above. The formatting here does make it difficult for me to proofread, so sorry about that. Im really not syag. I start off talking to people as peers. But if I get called not sober, too kabbalistic, or having too much Derech eretz towards Torah, for no clear reason, then I sometimes feel like were on different planets and maybe I need to explain what to me is basics. I’m really sorry if that comes off as condescending, it truly isn’t meant to be!! Honestly. And once I start explaining basics, there will be things explained that are really basic to you as well. I get that. But I don’t always know where it is that I lost you. And to me, audience means the people in taking to. It can be my friends for that matter. Afaik is not a condescending term.

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