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“Your posts have not been “banned”, they are just not all approved.”
That’s what I meant, that about a fourth- half my posts have been banned ie not let through.
“Not sure if this is a threat or a bit of a bullying tactic but when posts are not put through the reason isn’t, and wouldn’t be, because we agree with another poster. That is quite an accusation, and if your point was to force a response, I’m sorry that you chose that route.”
I am honestly puzzled why those posts have been not allowed through. The only thing I can think of is that the mod disagreed with what I said, which shouldn’t be a crime as there are many varied opinions here. This is why I asked about Lc because I really don’t get it. I have enjoyed this forum so I do find it frustrating to have my posts disappear in thin air for no apparent reason. I am a rule keeper so if that is not the case, that my posts weren’t allowed through due to opinion/ source disagreement, please lmk why you banned the so I can know for the future.
If you can. Thanks!!!
I’m seeing several of my posts have been not allowed through. Not quite sure why as there does seem to be a wide variety of opinions and sources brought and quoted, and I don’t why my posts have been banned. Maybe the mods agree with lc? I was enjoying the experience of interacting with yidden of all streams and hearing from anyone, but it’s not worth my time to type up posts that are not allowed thrush with no explanation given. So I’m sorry if I have offended anyone and I won’t bother you anymore bln. Have a wonderful shabbos!
@yitzchakm my previous post addressed it but I guess it wasn’t allowed through because quoting gemara can be inappropriate? Honestly. It’s gemara shabbos 125a
@non political in high school we learned chumash bchevrusa grouped according to levels. My level focused on rashi, so we learned chumash rashi, and mefarshei Rashi such as mizrachi, gur aryeh (Maharal), sifsei if necessary as he usually summarises mizrachi, lvush haorah and baer basodeh.
After we finished learning the Rashis with the mefarshei Rashi, we learned the other mefarshim such as Ramban or Hachaim, kli yakar Baal haturim.
After all that, we learned the Chassidus on the topic, which brought out the underlying dynamic and its application today in our Avodas Hashem.
The Rebbe in his rashi sichos brings out the way rashi operates, or klalei rashi. We started off learning these klalim so we would know what to look out for. It also taught us to appreciate the precision of each word.
@gaon “There is a major difference between being “educed’ on your own than implementing it as part of a curriculum. The Rambam and the Talmud prohibit only “teaching” , we do not find any issur is the very learning.”
True but they educated their daughters to learn shulchan archive, gemara etc. They didn’t have artscroll back then and no one wakes up, takes a gemara off a shelf,and learns, in a vacuum.
As far as you’re point on the Maharal I have learned the malbim in Navi class and remember enjoying it very much. I find the Or Hachaim in chumash to be very similar to Chassidus as well. Both of them learned kabbola, so it seems their perushim are infused with pnimius HaTorah as well.
However sichos on the Parsha, maamarim and rashi sichos I don’t think I’d find the like anywhere else. Rashi sichos taught me to appreciate the depth of Rashi and in general, to appreciate the precision and holiness of all of our chachomim to a level I wouldn’t have otherwise.
Joseph it isn’t that simple or nobody would have allowed it until our times. The fact that this disagreement over girls learning existed then, and the proponents of teaching mandala, tremendous gaonim, encouraged it, shows that is not a simple open and closed kosher and treif issue. Their daughters were all educated.
“His host offered to eat again together the next year, not to slaughter
him again.”Well obviously not. But one would think he would not have the same set up if the previous year had led to a near tragedy.
” Also, some interpret the wording to mean that Rav Zeira
was forced to drink too much wine (as opposed to having his throat slit).”Yeah that ties into the understanding, and was brought in the sicha.
“As for doing teshuvah, serious intoxication was involved – perhaps
things done only due to such a state do not require teshuvah”Why? If someone kills someone by accident he still has to go to an ir miklat for the rest of his life because he was careless enough to get to that mistake. Many Torah greats from the shtetl era would go into galus over minor infractions, and the Tannaim were even greater than then so kal vchomer there should have seemingly been Serious teshuva, and here….
@@chabadshlucha. Who was the famous chabad rebetzin that would learn gemara? I think she is mentioned in the previous rebbes memoirs”
Rochel, and she eventually taught get daughter as well. Here’s is an interesting story because she came from a Chassidishe family (if you can call it that as it was pre the Baal Shem Tov) but she married a man from a misnagdishe background who disapproved of women learning. Meanwhile she was quite a scholar…
@joseph
“Chabadshlucha: You could just read the Artscroll books of Gemorah stories to get what you’re doing”No it’s completely different! Artscroll gives the mefarshim that discuss the pshat, Chassidus reveals the underlying dynamic. What can I say? Taamu uru…
@benugnuman thanks for clarifying that for us. Would’ve looked it up otherwise on my next curious learning excursion.
“Chabadshlucha: I was under the impression that Chabad girls learn Gemara but mainly through Ein Yaakov, as the Rebbe specifically suggested. Is this correct, or do girls today actually learn Gemara as boys do, focusing on its halachic discussions as well?”
Depends on the school, ideologically yes but most high schools do not have a gemara class simply because there are more important lessons to learn for girls. In sem beis I learned a mishnayos class with the gemara questions, and at first I thought it was quite fascinating, until I realized we were still debating the same shnayim ochazin btalis like half a year later and it was going nowhere as far as final halacha, and then I was like oh now I get why women never learned gemara lol.
That said I have built up a bit of an aramaic vocabulary over the years between mefarshei Rashi in chumash, Aggada / Ein Yaakov I learned on my own – took out of the library, and many gemaras quoted in the sichos.
I have learned much of the Rambam pertaining to women if not all, and looked up many references in gemara about women as well such as the tu bav sugya and others. But that’s different because it’s personal interest. But I’ll leave the nitty-gritty to the men for the most part, and leave your wearing the hats (I don’t have one to take off)
@daasyochid lubavitcher must be a woman. The men do the whole nine yards.
Lastly for now, if you have questions or want to understand the prufundity and glance at the sheer intellectual depth, complexity yet unity within Torah, and logical understandings, I would suggest you learn Chassidus, starting with the second part of Tanya, shaar hayichud vhoemuna. What’s amazing about it is that it doesn’t only make sense but it resonates within.
Another perk is that Chassidus quotes and brings together all parts of Torah – and that’s actually where I have at least half of my knowledge of gemara from. So you can get two in one 🙂 with the inner meaning with it.
Like try learning the story of rabba shechting Rav Zeira on Purim one year, reviving him the next day through davening, and then not only NOT doing teshuva for slaughtering someone, but cheerfully offering to do it again the next year. (R’ Zeira respectfully declines because miracles don’t happen every time.)
And these are our holy Tanaim! Learning the plain story can leave you riddled with questions. But it’s such a geshmake story when learned with Chassidus. And that’s how I learned this story in the gemara!If you have any specific questions, since you can’t call me by phone, feel free to ask here and we’ll all address your questions.
This would conclude my answer to the op 🙂
But I think she confused male ego with Torah with the story of her cousin. Men tend to talk one up or one down, women talk to each other as equals.
That being said it is unfortunate that because the boys tend to Emphasise the daaton kalos part and not the bina Yesaira part, due to above mentioned male ego, there can be such a distortion in the way they view women’s intelligence as enough lies or half truths repeated tend to sink in as the new truth.
In secular culture, its unthinkable to express such notions, it should be in our Culture too, as Torah never demeaned women but just the opposite, was nizhar with our kovod. I don’t experience such attitude within my world, and I don’t see why any woman should.
Actually there are three levels of Elokus interactions with the world, mimale kol olmin, sovev kol olmin and kula kamei kla chshiv – atzmus.
Mimale- Hashem relates to the world through the limits of nature, we relate to Him through sechel
Sovev- He relates to us with miracles, above nature, yet is bound by being boundless. We relate to this revelation of Elokus with Emuna,as we can’t relate with sechel.
Atzmus however is nimna hanimnaos – Hashem can do the impossible where this is revealed. Example: in the kodesh Hakodashim, where Atzmus was revealed, the Aron took up an exact space by measurement yet didn’t take up space at all! Not sure how this would play out with a rock but He could do it.
Lastly, the reason women get offended is because women are blessed with a profound sense of understanding, bina. The Daas that were not so strong in naturally, is the drei kup stuff like 15 opinions on what the halacha could be based on the wording of the mishna. The 15 or 50 different ways don’t interest me and I will get lost in the debate on the nuances unless it makes a practical difference to me.
But to ask a deep question is our strength and we get insulted when anyone doesn’t respect our bina Yesaira.
As lc didn’t do it for me here goes :
What the op describes is exactly why the Rebbe advocated girls learning in general, above what they need to know, which if a man would know all halacha etc that a woman needs to know, he’d be a gaOn –
But aside for that the Rebbe advocated all higher education for women because of the spiritual danger involved otherwise :
In the times past, a Jewish woman imbibed all her knowledge and yiras shomayim from the home – and it was great.
But today women and girls are fully educated in the secular subject, and they can mistakenly conclude that Yiddishkeit can’t match it cvs. So we must educate them up to par.
In the past, it was dangerous to teach such things to girls, because by nature, girls go with more emuna, and less daas, so why teach them questions and then maybe they won’t get the answers and they’ll have questions on Yiddishkeit for no reason.
It could cause harm and unnecessary so why do it?
But today, we are taught to question in the science classes etc, so aderabe women must be taught everything.
Hey my last post wasn’t let through and it was a good one
I’m waiting for litvishe chossid to tell us all what I would say as to him its old news 😜
I think its important to distinguish between people and attitudes. Pirkei avos says choviv haadam shnivra btzelem, and we should work to refine then as is our halachic obligation with sheva mitzvos bnei noach.
We can despise their beliefs but I don’t think it jives with chazal above and also “lo nitna HaTorah ela laasos sholom baolam,” to secretly despise everyone while acting polite. The Arabs tried that and the secret got out.
Plus it doesn’t seem to enhance any good middos by having this attitude, quite the opposite.
😂 I don’t initiate the conversation. But allot of them like chatting and start one and then things get rolling. I remember one asking if Jews really want to dominate the world.
But yes I’m allot more comfortable when my husband is there. However I never read it is assur to respond to a man who is speaking to you.
Or instead of being afraid of being influenced, become the influencer.
There is a halacha that salted chickens can be placed on one another although the blood is coming out, because since the chickens are expelling blood, they won’t take in any.So too bruchnius. See them as a tzelem Elokim, and a part of Hashem’s Creation , and teach them about their role in the world. Sheva mitzvos bnei noach. Morality. Goodness and kindness. Etc.
My father did this in Microsoft for years. I do it in cabs.
I’m kind of sad I wasn’t around when this op was posted. BYM are you still around?