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No, I don’t think that’s the point. Is that even applicable to lavin?
An umbrella is not objectionable because it’s a ?????? ????? ?????.
I don’t remember this kind of objection to the Shabbos lamp or potato starch cakes on Yom Tov.
See Chazon Ish I mentioned previously. Here’s a link to it and the discussion on the CR:
http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14336&st=&pgnum=158&hilite=
etc.
As I mentioned regarding the app, and it’s true of the switch as well, these are not from the more subtle cases of zilzul Shabbos. These are obvious ones.
Yekke2, you are making a mistake. If something is zilzul Shabbos, it is assur.
Yekke2, aside from the Igros Moshe mentioned, there are other sources as well. In one of the Shabbos App threads, the topic of zilzul Shabbos/uvdin d’chol came up, and I brought o couple, starting here: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/the-shabbos-app-controversy/page/2#post-543925 .
Interestingly, earlier in that thread, Sam mentioned the switch (I think he meant the one discussed here). I responded that R’ Neuwirth had retracted (it turns out that it was a clarification; he never meant it l’chatchilah).
See tosfos shabbos 95, “Ve-hurode chalos”, and the maskonoh of tosfos on boneh in yom tov.
We don’t pasken from Tosafos, we pasken from Shulchan Aruch. If you want to see a definitive, clear psak on electricity on Shabbos and Yom Tov, look at Shmiras Shabbos K’hilchoso, at the beginning of chapter 13, where he says that the vast majority of poskim asser electricity on both Shabbos and Yom Tov.
This has been the universally accepted psak for many years.
I agree with LC. 15 minutes is enough, rachmana litzlan. She’s not just an idiot, she’s a dangerous idiot.
As far as the Wall of Shame, the title is a big clue, plus they list people who are in jail, so aren’t capable of abusing. One can argue that they’re allowed to shame to scare off potential abusers; in fact, this is what they say they’re doing. Is it halachically justifiable? #AskARealRovNotAnAnonymousInternetForum. (No offense)
I dont, but I know it about something transmitted as nigleh (revealed).
Again, that’s true of something which is supposed to be revealed, but not of something which was supposed to be hidden.
Not at all. The Kuzari proof is about the revealed Torah. Nistar is, by definition, a hidden part of the Torah.
Mw13, they call it the Wall of Shame. You tell me – what’s the focus?
I’m not saying there shouldn’t be a list of abusers; I think ZD makes a good point. I just hope there’s a real posek guiding them in hilchos l”h.
Most hospitals which have many frum patients do accommodate, but I guess that won’t help your friend if this one won’t.
So what remains is the question of how much the patient needs the spouse. If the need is great, I think most poskim would allow it.
???? would not be muttar on ??”? (I don’t think most hold like the ???”? anyhow), nor would ???? ???.
Goq, it’s still a tikkun. Who says you need to know what you did wrong for the tikkun to work?
ZD, the parents, grandparents, and siblings may need a kapparah for things they did in this or a previous life.
Actually, R’ Moshe’s hagdarah is very much tied to subjective perceptions.
Using a Shabbos clock for lights is not inherently different based on historical usage of nochrim, but it’s perception as a chillul of Shabbos is.
Rav Moshe might today be mattir a/c through a timer. It’s wide acceptance may remove its status as a zilzul. The inventor of this switch is hoping (and was predicting to potential investors) that this will happen with this switch, but I don’t think a melacha caused by our actions on Shabbos could ever not be considered a zilzul.
Goq, He punishes in the next world as well, and there’s certainly no opportunity for teshuva there. The purpose of punishment is not just to inspire teshuva (although we are supposed to use our suffering in this world as a springboard for self improvement), but also as a tikkun for our neshamos. This tikkun does not have to take place in the next world; it could take place here, in this gilgul or another.
Cortistatin
Well, yes, but nobody here.
Nobody’s going to admit that they give more, but there’s a reason they market it that way.
I’m not in favor of unfettered chasing after gashmiyus, but I don’t know that, as distasteful as renting a beach house or Pesach macaroni may be, they’re a zilzul of Yom Tov per se. Are macaroons and potato starch cakes also a zilzul of Yom Tov? Somehow, I think melacha imitations are worse than food imitations; to me the issue is that we can’t seem to live eight days without certain foods, but it’s more of a nivul birshus haTorah issue than zilusa.
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You are correct. I would add that the goy lit the lamps only l’tzorech gadol, and that it was not universally accepted, but he does say that it was common enough to take care of zilusa. Here is the teshuvah:
http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=920&pgnum=94
He would still asser the Kosher Switch.
I’ll look it up also, if I have time. I have seen R’ Moshe’s teshuvah on it (years ago), I just don’t recall that part of the equation, and I was wondering if it’s something you heard which may not have a written teshuvah.
My mother-in-law writes down the combination to the Shabbos lock and bakes the paper into the challah.
My mother shapes the little numbers and puts them on top of the challah. One year, we caught the cleaning lady sneaking a look at the challahs, so we had to change the combination.
We follow my mother-in-law’s minhag.
Cherrybim, source?
I was talking about this case. I don’t know how the scooter works. The app is a joke, as I’ve said before. The switch is a much more serious invention, and may actually have some legitimate use, just not l’chatchilah.
Besalel, Personally, I would take anything tzomet says about a direct competitor with a grain of salt.
That’s a fair point – they do have negius. Obviously, the inventor of this product has negius as well, and anything he says should also be taken with a grain of salt.
It should be scary. Being scary stops people from doing certain dangerous things.
If he’s a fiend, he probably isn’t so concerned about hilchos Shabbos.
Okay, now that I’ve gotten the make-fun-of-the-misspelling joke out of the way, why is the alternative to stay away from the ill spouse the whole Shabbos? Maybe the alternative should be to stay on the 19th floor the whole Shabbos?
Anyhow, the answer to this question likely depends on the degree of tzorech (my question alludes to a factor in that determination), and I don’t think you’ve given enough information to determine that.
Chabad is into kiruv.
Can we please not go there?
Why not do an online yeshiva, if you think they’re the same
No serious college will let.
not smoking
He’ll probably smoke e-cigarettes.
What’s wrong with YU?
Can we please not go there?
Online college degree arent worth the paper they are printed on
They probably email you the degree.
HaLeiVi, they’re claiming it’s not even a grama.
I agree with your point about miskaven.
The delay doesn’t make something a grama, the indirectness does. However, if the result is immediate, it’s not considered a grama.
Would you have the same objection if the transmitter and receiver were two feet away from each other, and the light was activated by removing a garbage can from in between?
I guess I’m trying to figure out your threshold of artificiality for a grama to be a “pseudo” grama.
Oh well, sorry I couldn’t be a help. I hope they appreciated the efforts you put in. In my book, the BestBubby designation is for the love you put in, not how good the latkes taste.
Cherrybim, none of those cases are the same as the kosher switch.
Also, which poskim besides Rav Heinemann were mattir Shabbos mode? He was outgunned on that.
Maybe the heart attack is caused by the state of affairs, not the actual get.
So if the switch was a removable piece, you would say it’s okay?
I agree with Avi K. The concept is true al pi kabbalah, but there could be any number of explanations for the things we see and experience, and it’s quite dangerous and wrong to judge what a person did in a previous gilgul based on his current situation.
There’s an album by this name, so this is not my own idea, but:
Jews with Horns
Or anyone ch”v gets mowed down.
Charlie, in case you don’t get her style, golfer was being facetious.
Are we really supposed to judge people that way? That’s very hard to believe.
I’m guessing that they came out horrible, but oomis won’t post it, so that I shouldn’t feel bad.
I don’t see the justification for following the leniency. “He is reliable” isn’t enough
If Rav Oelbaum, Rav Steinberg or Rav Nevensaul muttar it, they are reliable (Like I said I dont think Rabbi Mizrachi was endorsing the product)
I was talking about Shabbos Mode in that quote, not this switch.
There’s apparently some controversy about Rav Nebenzahl’s position. I actually found this on their website. Now, maybe they’re correct that some are out to get them (they list a few), but something is absolutely fishy about the endorsements – and this is apparent just from their site, although they, of course, claim that it’s all the others who are wrong.
You should ask the other two what they say. I’m also curious what they’ll say.
Those who asser are certainly reliable, and there are a lot more of them. He’s a daas yochid, and other than a talmidei muvhak, I don’t see the justification for following the leniency. “He is reliable” isn’t enough.
ZD, they’re blocking different things, and halachically, there’s no comparison.
Akuperma, it’s not merely because of muktzah. You’re causing it to go on or off.
As they point out, I think correctly, if it were muttar, it wouldn’t be muktzah.
It’s interesting to note that they take great pains to differentiate this from the Shabbos Mode ovens, which almost everyone assers.
It may be better, according to some, regarding the grama issue, but I don’t see how they get around the zilzul issue. The link from that article to the Kol Koreh no longer works, but I’ll quote the translations:
To all of the above we affix our signatures:
(HoRav) Yosef Shalom Elyashiv”
(HoRav) Elya Ber Wachtfogel
(HoRav) Shlomo Miller, Rosh Kollel, Kollel Avreichim Toronto
(HoRav) Gershon Bess, Rav Kehilas Yaakov, Los Angeles”
I left out the part about melachah/grama, because the technology is different, but I don’t see why the zilzul Shabbos issue is better.
BTW, this is not a new project. It’s been around for years. I saw a proposal to investors which cynically predicted that the chareidi opposition would generate free PR which would boost sales in other sectors, and eventually it would become universally accepted.
When I hadn’t seen anything on it for years, I hoped that the rabbonim who endorsed it realized that they were marketing it to the public (rather than for certain institutional use, for which it seems to be useful), they dropped their endorsements.
I’m dismayed to see this come up again, being marketed as a l’chatchilah.