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Simcha613, why are those talui zeh b’zeh?
I probably lean towards not discussing it in a public forum, especially since, as I wrote, even if there were true generalizations, it would still be a case by case issue.
I’m not sure Sam thinks it shouldn’t be discussed at all, or thinks it shouldn’t be discussed in a public forum. There’s a huge difference.
Catch yourself, just for further clarification, since you’re relatively new here (and I’ve appreciated your contributions, btw), when popa “clarifies”, take it with a grain of salt. For that matter, when popa does anything, take it with a grain of salt.
I don’t have a problem, btw, with using humor and exaggeration to demonstrate an aspect of the zilzul Shabbos this product would entail.
Reportedly, the Chazon Ish said tachanun even when there was a bris, l’hotzi milibom.
Would you have said long tachanun even if it fell out on Wednesday?
It’s not really, but according to the inventor’s fallacious reasoning, that flipping the switch has no halachic significance, it is.
Your reasoning, that a resultant melocho makes it assur, is what I’m questioning, but we agree that it’s assur.
Cherrybim, I’m not sure I’m understanding you.
The fact that a melocho results does not have to mean that there’s an issur.
If I put up a cholent before Shabbos and it cooks on Shabbos, does that mean I was oiver on bishul, because the result is that bishul took place?
It’s assur, but not for the reason you seem to be saying.
I think you were mechaven to R’ Moshe on Shabbos clocks.
Avram in MD, chas v’shalom do I think that there is only “us”, and those who think that way.
But the sentiment ZD expressed is hardly a daas yochid. It’s been expressed, sometimes more respectfully, sometimes less, on the CR several times, and to me personally.
I was not addressing those who can respect that our position is sincere, I was only addressing those who don’t.
ZD hit the nail on the head. That’s precisely the “most contentious point” I was referring to.
Halevai he and others would accept what popa said, that the reasons we don’t send are ideological/religious, not chas v’shalom because we think your kids’ blood is cheap.
1) These aren’t my special days for thanking Hashem and for mourning, respectively. That is not a big difference between us.
I disagree. There’s a big difference.
2) And I wouldn’t send my kids to the army, because I think it would harm their ruchniyos, but I respect, thank, and love you and your kids for defending our people. I hope you can accept this is not a big difference between us.
Again, I disagree. See Avi K’s response (not that I agree with him, but it’s a big difference, and he left out the most contentious point).
Top 5:
1) Doesn’t consider purple her favorite color
2) At least 5″ shorter than me
3) Rich father
4) Likes pizza
5) Yichus
RebYidd23 and 147, I will not be dating either of you.
How shallow can people be? I mean really, making a decision on who to marry based on whether they like the color yellow or not? What have we come to?
No wonder there’s a shidduch crises! If it were purple, which is ugly, I’d understand. But yellow???!!!
Sure – to avoid the delay.
42, even in normal mode, the way the switch works is by blocking or unblocking the pulse, so although it would still be assur, it would be a lighter issur of grama.
HaLeiVi, how do we determine a melocho’s natural purpose if not av/toldah?
Actually, he probably has an alert set up to notify him (or a publicist) any time his name appears on the internet.
It was nice of him to respond.
No, I believe they hold it’s not a legitimate government, so not covered by DDD.
Are you saying the Avnei Nezer? He asks that according to the Rambam that megaven is a d’Oraisa of boneh, we should build a heter for all boneh on Yom Tov mitoch, yet the Rambam says boneh on Yom Tov is d’Oraisa. (Tosafos got out of the problem by saying it’s only d’rabbonon).
The Avnei Nezer says we can’t build a heter through mitoch from a toldah (megaven is at most a toldah).
Is this what you mean when you say, “The ???? by ????? is not was you think of when you learn of ????”, that it’s not an av, rather a toldah?
I was going to post a response to this:
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/proof-that-women-are-better-than-men, particularly the beginning of the last sentence of the second to last paragraph, but decided not to.
HaLeiVi, Tosafos adds, “??? ???? ??? ????”. You’d be able to eat, just not as comfortably.
Ah, I was misunderstanding your question. I think I had the same question, which, if I understand properly this time, is not necessarily different than asking how the switch turns the light off. I believe the video only showed how it turns the light on.
I guess the system is programmed to recognize that the light is on, and detect whether there are any successful receptions of the pulse within a certain period of time, and if not (which would occur if the plastic was blocking the pulse), to turn the light off.
This is just a guess.
Horrible. How can she marry someone she doesn’t look up to?
HaLeiVi, so how is the mitoch from boneh different than any other? Every mitoch needs some sort of tzorech Y”T.
NDG, the plastic piece prevents the pulse from reaching the sensor. If that’s not a grama (it is, but for the sake of discussion…), why couldn’t it be done multiple times?
HaLeiVi, how is that different than this Tosafos?
?? ?? ??? ???? ??”? ??? ???? ?????? ??”? ????? ????? ???? ????? ????? ??? ???? ???? ????? ????? ???? ??? ??? ????? ????? ???? ???? ???? ????? ????? ??? ???? ??? ????
NDG, the switch is a piece of plastic which, when in the down position, blocks the pulse. No sensor is activated or deactivated.
The randomness is indeed meaningless, since within a short amount of time, the light will certainly go off or on.
Dash, if the fact that it’s not really random is halachically significant, that would still leave it as a safek psik reisha rather than a vaday psik reisha.
I happen to agree with yekke2 that it’s a vaday psik reisha, which is worse.
Tosafos ask that mitoch you can make cheese, you should be able to rebuild your house to eat in it. Classic mitoch.
For convenience, if anyone wants to see inside:
http://beta.hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=2&daf=95&format=pdf
I don’t think lowering or raising the temperature changes the wattage, I think it changes how long it’s on for, and you run the risk of turning the current on or off.
Tosafos was referring to mitoch. If making cheese, which is ochel nefesh, is boneh, all boneh should be muttar mitoch. Tosafos felt compelled to say that ein hachi nami, and boneh on Y”T is d’rabbonon.
To anyone reading this, the Avnei Nezer to which I linked suggests that there is no mitoch from a toldah, only from an av.
ROB, so we agree that l’maaseh, there shouldn’t be a chilluk between Shabbos and Y”T?
The Ramba”m holds boneh on Yom Tov is d’Oraisa.
‘????? ????? ??”? ??? ?’ ???? ?
?? ????? ?????? ????? ???? ??? ??? ???? ???? ??? ???? ???? ??? ????? ????? ????. ??? ????? ???? ??? ????? ????? ????? ????? ???? ???? ?? ??? ?? ??? ?????? ???? ??? ??? ???? ??? ???? ?? ?? ????, ????? ?? ????? ????? ?? ????, ?? ????? ?? ???? ???. ??? ??? ????? ?????? ???? ?? ?????
what do others think?
Some agree with you, and some disagree. This topic has come up in the CR before.
I happen to agree with you. The word “never” is too absolute.
Eric, there are (at least) two categories of lifnei iver.
1) Bad advice
2) Helping do an issur
The second type of lifnei iver applies even when the person is aware of the issur.
You’re the one claiming this Tosafos is halacha l’maaseh.
I’ll sign uo to have my kids turn out like R’ Shlomo Zalman Auerbach zt”l any day.
ROB, you’re mattir building a house on Yom Tov??!!
CB, only under very limited circumstances, specifically, that you know that your adjustment will not initiate or stop a flow of electricity. The indicator light doesn’t ordinarily help for this, as it merely indicates if it’s set to maintain the programmed temperature.
See Star K website for details and further explanation.
So the bottom line is:
1) We pasken boneh is assur on Yom Tov
2) We pasken electricity is assur on Yom Tov, regardless of whether the issur is boneh d’Oraisa or not
3) Had the “Kosher” switch been marketed for Yom Tov use, it likely would not have helped.
Ok, but you’re asking b’dieved and that’s l’chatchilah. (According to the article, in that case there was a chashash igun and it should have been given regardless.)
I assume he knew the price differential. The price differential today is less than when he wrote the teshuvah, which was before Goldman’s started competing.
So, although he didn’t give specifics, it’s safe to say that it would certainly apply today as a general rule, at least in the NY/NJ area.
Of course, some individuals may be in such a financial state that they are justified in buying the cheaper c.s. even according to R’ Moshe.
I’m not following. What do you think the problem might be?
Cooking is bishul, not boneh. So how are you demonstrating a heter for boneh?
Are you allowed to build a kitchen in Yom Tov? Of course not. But you are allowed to cook in a kitchen which was built prior to Yom Tov, using an electric burner which was turned on prior to Yom Tov, because you haven’t done any binyan.
To clarify, the issur of electricity may not be boneh d’Oraisa, but my point is valid nonetheless.
Again, the vast majority of poskim, for whichever reason, asser electricity not only on Shabbos, but on Yom Tov as well, and this is now the universally accepted psak.
Yes, because bishul is muttar. Boneh, however, is not. You are not allowed to turn on, turn off, or adjust an electric stove on Y”T.