☕ DaasYochid ☕

It’s not מלכות, it’s מלקות.

I’m not just correcting a spelling mistake, I’m pointing out that it’s a different word.

Yet you’re perfectly fine with the svara that when Shulchan Aruch wrote that menorah must be lit outdoors for pirsumei nisa unless it is dangerous, it was actually modifying the mitzvah, and now, in safe times, it is *preferable* and *ideal* to light the menorah indoors, with minimal pirsumei nisa.

I mamish don’t understand your tzu shtell between sleeping in the Sukkah and lighting the menorah indoors, and this paragraph is incomprehensible. (I don’t think anyone claimed that the SA modified the mitzvah).

The only tzu shtell is that they both go against the psak of the Shluchan Aruch, but that misses the point, because the tayna isn’t that it goes against the psak of the Shulchan Aruch, it’s that makes no sense that this mitzvah was given only for those on lower level.

I’ll quote from the Shulchanaruchharav site how he explains the minhag Chabad, MS, you can tell me if it’s wrong:

“The Chabad practice is not to sleep in the Sukkah due to that one is unable to be conscious of the holiness of the Sukkah during sleep, and this causes one painful, and anyone who is in pain upon dwelling in the Sukkah is exempt from the Mitzvah”

In another article:

“The reason behind the custom is due to another aspect of the exception of Mitztaer/distress, which exempts one from sleeping in the Sukkah, and was not listed above. This aspect of Mitztaer is explained as follows: The Sukkah contains a sublime level of holiness, or G-dly revelation, called Makifim Debina. Chabad Chassidus emphasizes the study of Chassidus which internalizes the knowledge of the above level of Divinity. One who has knowledge of this holiness contained in a Sukkah, will naturally be disturbed to perform any action that is unbefitting of the holiness it contains. Now, since during sleep one is unable to be conscious of the holiness of the Sukkah, as well as the act of sleep in it of itself can be viewed as a disrespect to the holiness of the Sukkah, therefore there is distress involved in sleeping in the Sukkah. Accordingly, since sleeping in the Sukkah causes one spiritual pain, he is exempt from doing so, as anyone who is in pain upon dwelling in the Sukkah is exempt from the Mitzvah. This reason especially applies to those Tzaddikim and Chassidim who are on a level that they could feel the holiness of the Sukkah, and therefore simply cannot fall asleep. Furthermore, it even applies to those who do not feel this level of holiness, if they are nevertheless distressed over the fact that they know it contains this holiness, and are disturbed to act in a disrespectful way towards it, such as to sleep in it. Furthermore, it even applies to those who are not disturbed to sleep in the Sukkah due the holiness of the Sukkah, but simply due to the fact that this is the custom of their Rebbe, and they are distressed to not follow in their Rebbe’s custom. As stated above, if none of these reasons, or other exceptions, are applicable, and one hence finds no disturbance at all in his sleeping in the Sukkah, then he is obligated to do so.”

MS, you’ve got it backwards. The reason people “mock” Chabad is because some of their haskafos and hanhagos are outside of the pale.

Sukkah is perhaps the most concrete example because of its clear twisting of halacha. Until you understand that there is a qualitative difference between some of the differences we have with Chabad, vs. the differences we may have with some others, you will continue to believe that we are finding excuses to put down Chabad, rather than the truth, that the reason we don’t like Chabad* is because of these things we strongly disagree with.

*I just want to make abundantly clear that there is, in my opinion, a lot to like about Chabad, and there are some Chabad chassidim I know for whom I have a lot of respect and admiration. I still firmly reject some of the tenets espoused by and associated with Chabad.

And this is why I sleep outside the sukkah.

I don’t blame you.

But it is a tayna on the one who recently wrote a poor and backwards sevara and influenced his chassidim (yourself included) to pretty much disregard a mitzvah

Sources to explain the practice of lighting indoors when there’s no sakana:

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=53183

The רמ”א says that everybody lit indoors (although he does say it would be better to light outdoors, according to the MB’s explanation).

The MB himself says better to light by the window if that will better display the menorah to the public

Menachem, your comparing this to not sleeping in the sukkah is completely off base.

Why is this minhag less “backwards” in your mind than the minhag of sleeping outside the Sukkah?

Because there a good reason to not sit in the sukkah on Shimini Atzeres, because on the tzad that it’s not Succos it’s nireh k’mosif. Happens to be we don’t pasken that way.

OTOH not sleeping in the sukkah is a distortion of the mitzvah, the reason given not to is basically against the whole mitzvah of sleeping in the sukkah, and the halachik justification of mitztaer doesn’t hold water.

I will repeat my simple question, which no one has been able to answer:
Why do you (Yankel, Daas, etc.) insist on attacking Chabad for davka not sleeping in the Sukkah, while ignoring those who DAVKA don’t eat in the Sukkah on Shemini Atzeres, and DAVKA light the menorah indoors – both of which are seemingly against halacha.

I actually did answer, but I’ll repeat:

Eating outside the Sukkah on Shmini Ateres is indeed k’neged Halacha.

Saying Davka to sleep outside of the Sukkah on Succos is not merely k’neged Halacha; it is backwards.

The issue with sleeping in the sukkah has nothing to do with modern-day Chabad

I’m not old enough to know, but not everyone agrees with that.

If they didn’t sleep in the sukkah in Europe because it was too cold, that make sense, but making it into an inyan davka not to (even when it’s nice weather) is backwards.

No, it’s not a bad thing

Then why did the Mittler Rebbe (supposedly) give mussar for sleeping in the sukkah?

relying on memory

Yes

I don’t understand how this conversation veered to how necessary internet is.

A car is a necessity, but I have never heard anyone demand that a tzedakah sponsor their brakes.

The worst part of the “minhag” not to sleep in the sukkah is the reasoning given which doesn’t hold water. And the fact that it essentially rejects a chelek of the mitzvah.

As far as the Rebbe’s infallibility, and I think this is what YB is saying, there’s a huge nafka mina.

Many Lubavitchers understood the the Rebbe thought he was Moshiach.

If he was fallible, the simple conclusion when he passed away would be to say that he was mistaken.

Since they didn’t accept that possibility, two possible resolutions were offered – either he hadn’t actually passed away (which is a meshugas) or that Moshiach could be from the dead. Without getting into whether that technically can be defended, it’s clearly not the mesorah in klal Yisroel and wasn’t in Chabad either until ג’ תמוז.

SCA explicitly was chartered to *not* deal with any religious issues. And, still, RJBS opposed it.

What does the “S” stand for?

Also you didn’t answer my question.

The Chazon Ish and Rav Shach etc. held to vote in Knesset elections despite that it’s the actual Medina, in order to fight the reshaim. Why is WZO worse?

It looks like there are 2 issues in elections:

They have legitimate reasons to believe that it is against Hashem’s ratzon to join the IDF.

The fact that you can only ascribe selfish motives doesn’t say much about your having an ayin tovah.

if someone is going to reject the Gedolim who pasken that it is forbidden to participate in the Zionist Organization voting
Similarly, if you don’t vote in the WZO elections, you are rejecting the Gedolim who pasken that it is a chiyuv to.

That is what the gedolim in favor of voting in the WZO elections are saying – to take money from the reform and have it used for good purposes instead. And that’s what the ads (that I’ve seen) for EH are saying.

So you’re ok with voting for EH (or perhaps other frum delegates) as long as you have the right intentions.

That doesn’t seem to be what you were saying until now

I thought you were making a suggestion that would help the shidduch crisis. I guess not.

If you lived in Germany in the 1930s, would you vote in the Nazi party elections, since the Nazis are the party in power and the Nazi primaries determine the German government leadership?

If you had the opportunity to vote out Hitler ym”s, you wouldn’t?

(I’m not expressing an opinion about WZO elections, just that your analogy is inapt)

OpenDNS and the like are easily bypassed.
Keeping an unfiltered computer in a public area is a disaster waiting to happen. There isn’t always someone else home.

According to you Yankel, what’s the difference between a Lo Avado Beinoni and a Tzaddik?

If you don’t mind me sticking my nose in, the tzadik was born with a yetzer hora but killed it thorough his avodas Hashem.

So you’re suggesting that the market would support such a thing.
Other than your posts on the CR, I haven’t seen or heard of any demand for certification of shadchanim, so I don’t agree that there’s much of a market for it.

Chaim87, not sure why go think you have a right to tell a tzedakah what their job is.

And there is plenty of money for both.

Is that something you know for a fact, or something you made up?

MS:
But what’s the nafka mina?

The nafka mina is that since many Chabad chassidim (if not most or even all) considered the Rebbe to be infallible, and many felt that he had practically declared himself as Moshiach, when he passed away, they had no choice other than either denying that he had died, or changing longstanding mesorah (despite possible interpretations of some sources that could allow otherwise) in Klal Yisroel (including Chabad) that Moshiach will be a living person.

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Bikur Cholim isn’t Tomchei Shabbos.

They don’t give out food because people can’t afford it, they give out food to people who are in hospitals and have a hard time accessing food.

TAG isn’t about funding filters, it’s about helping people access them.

If you want to start an organization that pays for filters, I don’t think anyone will stop you.

BTW the OP is one person, not 8.