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Hu Ika Anuh -“All the apps require that the Israeli phone have the same app. I need to text to a dumb-phone, that can’t have any apps. Any ideas?”
All the above are all not needed. I have a US dumb phone & so does the Israeli side. You need to have a plan that includes texting & so does the Israeli side. You also need a screen on the phone, most phones in the last 10 years have screens.
December 25, 2014 4:00 am at 4:00 am in reply to: Why is everybody anti anti-vaccine theories, a dissertation #1100438HealthParticipantscared driver delight -“If there is no validity to their arguments, prove it factually and efficiently. Don’t dismiss their views evasively.”
All the medical prof. that are honest don’t evade & we have proven it “factually and efficiently”!
“STEP 1-THE FACTS:
4. Many of the pro do not engage in debate with the anti, usually offering some buzz phrase, like, ‘the benefits outweigh the risks,’ usually after denying any risks whatsoever.”
I will Not go on the defensive because people like you, presumably, relish in any attention. “Bad publicity is better than No publicity!”
I will just discuss your line -“‘the benefits outweigh the risks,'”, the reason we say this is because we are “brutally” honest! We Don’t “deny any risks whatsoever” -like you claim!
HealthParticipant147 – Funny you should ask – I just txted mine. Since he doesn’t know you -no point you having his #.
HealthParticipantBYgirl 93- What BY school did you learn Halacha reasoning in? The Halacha is both men & women Have to get married!
HealthParticipantCH -Remsen village used to be a Frum neighborhood, but no more. Brookdale is in the center of it. Even though it’s in a non-Frum neighborhood, it still has a lot of Frum doctors!
HealthParticipantRY 23 – Acc. to the Torah, both boys & girls ( Men & Women) have to get married. But it’s not for the same reason.
HealthParticipantBalanceHumanBalance – If the OOT girl would follow the advice given here – she’d have plenty of dates!
HealthParticipantRY23 – A boy also has the same right.
HealthParticipantOyoyoy- The reason they say “No” is because they think there is something better. Why? Because a lot of girls are spoiled, especially here in America!
November 14, 2014 7:28 pm at 7:28 pm in reply to: Dating someone whose parents are divorced #1050019HealthParticipantDAK- It’s a Chesoron, but marrying s/o from a dysfunctional family is even worse! It takes a lot of Siytah D’smaiya to get and stay married.
HealthParticipantcharliehall – Are you 000646? If you are, this explains it all!
HealthParticipantyentingyenta -“But I still don’t like what she wrote saying the first time because it sounded like something that my ex would say.”
I’m Not a mind reader, but I think Lior was posting because s/he had a prob with the OP. Some people don’t have the foggiest idea what a marriage is, let alone a religious one! Your posts sound alot different than hers!
HealthParticipantI agree with Lior, but it could be Y.Y. situation is “both untenable and irreparable”!
HealthParticipant000646 -“That is irrelevant. If the disease will make it here eventually in the long term in spite of the travel ban, then the travel ban is in the long term useless and would almost definitely be harmful:
We would end up with what be more virulent strains that would have had longer to mutate in Africa (due to it being harder for Doctors to go get it under control) finding their way into the country through channels we would not know about or be able to control.”
How would US doctors “get it under control” – there is No Vaccine & No Cure!? Don’t believe our Gov. statements!
HealthParticipant000646 -“Someone can test positive to HIV ten years before they start showing any symptoms. Your talking about spending 10-15 years in a quarantine facility before they would even feel sick.”
I see you read Wikipedia!
“No one would be willing to report to testing in such circumstances.”
And how do you know?
“Even when suffering; terminal patients turn down treatments that affect their quality of life a whole lot less then that all the time.”
And how many pts. do you know like that? I doubt even one!
“And all this is assuming that you could actually track down everyone who was at risk, which for the reasons I listed above is by itself a stretch.”
You wouldn’t have to track them down, they’d come themselves to be tested.
From above: “When they get sick & want to be treated – they have to prove that they were tested; otherwise we don’t treat them!”
“You assumed that I meant this -“affect their quality of life”
“What I meant was – pain relief! 99.9% of terminaly ill pts. (AIDS & Cancer) get Rx meds for pain!”
HealthParticipant000646 -“2.) You completely ignored my point about the thousands of people who were infected in the early 70s by tainted blood products and other means. Just take the people infected by tainted blood products, do you really think that in about 10 years they didn’t have relations with “regular” people? Most of them were adults and did. It would be hard enough with only the thousands of people who were infected either first or second hand by contaminated blood products (add anyone who had used an intravenous drug and anyone they had relations with in the previous 10 years and the number would be astronomical), and that’s just one segment of what you are calling the “at risk population”.”
The fact is – your dreams are not reality! I tried posting twice from the CDC, but it was deleted. There were very few people who got infected that way!
HealthParticipantivory -“I agree with you. But I just wanted to point out that a competent therapist would not (or shouldn’t) tell someone to divorce”
1. Are you married? 2. Are you divorced? 3. Do you have a degree in Social Work or in Psychology?
HealthParticipantTakenUsername – I’m divorced.
“He went to a Dayan a few weeks ago and he was told he can’t get a divorce without trying therapy so he’s reluctantly agreed but only going so he can get it out of the way and get a divorce. I doubt he’ll participate, but it’s worth a shot.”
The Dayan is right!
Listen – only if the therapist tells you to get divorced, you Should! You should also go yourself for therapy.
HealthParticipant000646 -“3.) Regarding Ebola a lot more people then those two nurses would get sick if a travel ban was in place, for reasons I explained in my earlier posts and you failed to address.”
I did address it!
From above:
“It would stop alot of people from coming to the US; not all of them, but alot! It would make it very hard to travel to our country.”
HealthParticipant000646 -“1.) No one will turn up for testing in order to receive pain meds at the cost of being locked up for life, at best a policy like the one you mentioned above would be great for the illegal dealers of pain meds.”
They would! It doesn’t have to be a jail! It could be a locked facility like where they put the Mentally Ill. Did you ever see s/o die of AIDS? They need nursing care, usually either in a hospital or a nursing home. A little home meds won’t do it!
HealthParticipant000646 -“Please explain why you think people would report for ineffective treatment at the cost of being locked up for life. Terminal patients turn down ineffective treatments that will effect their quality of life a whole lot less then that.”
You obviouly haven’t read any of my posts & therefore you keep repeating the same thing over & over.
This is the last time I’m gonna explain it to you.(Unless you come up with something New!)
They would run to get tested, if they knew No treatment w/o it.
“Please explain why you think people would report for ineffective treatment at the cost of being locked up for life.”
Why do you continue to post when you know Nothing about medicine?
If you read my posts -you’d see I wrote -“They would have to prove that they were tested, otherwise they wouldn’t get any medical treatment.”
“Why did they come for medical treatment? The same reason a terminal cancer does.”
You assumed that I meant this – “Terminal patients turn down ineffective treatments that will effect their quality of life a whole lot less then that.”
What I meant was – pain relief! 99.9% of terminaly ill pts. (AIDS & Cancer) get Rx meds for pain!
“And all that rests on the certainly false assumption that HIV was only extant in the populations in was first clinically observed in.”
Not true! Why do you keep posting false things?
From Avert.org:
“By the end of 1983 the number of AIDS diagnoses reported in the USA had risen to 3,064 and of these people 1,292 had died.”
From the CDC:
“From 1981 to 1992, the estimated annual number of persons aged ?13 years with newly diagnosed AIDS grew rapidly, from 318 to 75,457. From 1981 to 1995, the estimated annual number of deaths among persons with AIDS increased from 451 to 50,628.”
“Total persons living with HIV infection”- CDC – 2008.
“Total – 1,178,350
(1,128,350–1,228,500)”
“Persons whose HIV infection was undiagnosed”
“236,400”
“MSM -(Gays)
Total – 580,000
(540,000–620,000)”
“Gay persons whose HIV infection was undiagnosed”
“128,400”
That’s about half that are Gay!
“You have not addressed my point about Ebola at all.”
Again from above:
“A ban would be effective, esp. when they aren’t enforcing the quarantines!”
From Medscape:
“majority of clinicians favors banning travel from Ebola-ravaged countries in West Africa”
Why? Because guys like Duncan wouldn’t be allowed in. And 2 nurses wouldn’t have gotten Sick!!!!
HealthParticipantYenta – I didn’t know that they have “aerobics” in Shul!
HealthParticipant000646 -“So you think people would have just lined up to be tested knowing that if they test positive they will be locked up for life in order to receive “treatment” that wouldn’t even cure the disease.”
For a know-it-all, you don’t know it all. Once upon a time, AIDS was very lethal. The various groups that it was predominate in – all knew s/o who had the disease. Why did they come for medical treatment? The same reason a terminal cancer does. Yes, they would have lined up, even though there was a chance – they would be quarantined for life.
“Again you are ignoring my point. If a travel ban would not keep the disease from reaching the USA it’s useless. Read my posts and address my points.”
Why don’t you understand my point? Let’s say there was a travel ban & I’m assuming this guy Duncan wouldn’t try and come here anyway. Do you think that perhaps two less people wouldn’t have come down with Ebola?
HealthParticipantPoster -“I have had at least 8 baited traps, not one mouse went for it. I tried peanut butter, cheese, chocolate syrup and out of desperation I even paid 3 bucks for a special liquid bait made to lure mice onto traps made by a company that sells traps . No luck. The only mice I caught were on glue traps. Yes, it’s horrible.
Believe me I tried many other things. Nothing has worked.”
Did you try “Tomcat”?
HealthParticipantI posted this in -“mice in my hoise”:
“I think the best products out there is something called “Tomcat”. They make poison bait and traps. Their products are very effective compared to other products & ideas mentioned here.”
HealthParticipantsqueak -“What is Passaic?”
It’s a town in Jersey with only Jews, Puerto Ricans & Mexicans.
HealthParticipant000646 -“And then what? How does that stop the disease from spreading??”
Then we quarantine them. You just post/write without reading my posts!
“The question was how on earth would you get at least tens of thousands of people (probably 100s of thousands) to submit to testing knowing that if they tested positive they would be locked up (“quarantined”) for life? Etc…”
I already told you. They would have to prove that they were tested, otherwise they wouldn’t get any medical treatment. You seem so convinced that what the Gov. did is fine & dandy!
“Whether or not the Government is doing a good job enforcing quarantines has no bearing on the fact that a travel ban on North Africa would not keep the disease out of the USA I elaborated more in my earlier posts and you failed to address any of my points”
Again, you just post/write without reading my posts! It would stop alot of people from coming to the US; not all of them, but alot! It would make it very hard to travel to our country.
HealthParticipant000646 -“And none of those things are anything like getting tens of thousands (probably even hundreds of thousands) of people to report for government testing knowing that if they test positive they are going to jail (or quarantine, or whatever you want to call it) for life!”
You’re under the impression -that people can do what they want. Alot of times it’s the liberal laws that stop any justice in this country.
My idea is that – at that time- all from the high risk groups -we tell them they have to get tested. When they get sick & want to be treated – they have to prove that they were tested; otherwise we don’t treat them!
“2.) Regarding ebola, so you agree that a travel ban would be ineffective and instead we should test all those who come in from affected countries”
Stop putting words in my mouth! A ban would be effective, esp. when they aren’t enforcing the quarantines!
I just found this on Medscape -it seems alot of med. prof. agree with me:
“Taking a harder line than the Obama administration, a slim majority of clinicians favors banning travel from Ebola-ravaged countries in West Africa or else quarantining visitors from there, according to a new Medscape/WebMD Ebola survey.
Stopping flights from Ebola hot-zone countries to the United States until the outbreak is under control seemed reasonable to 52% of clinicians, especially those in the Southeast (62%). In lieu of such a travel ban, 56% supported quarantining visitors until the end of the virus’ 21-day incubation period.”
HealthParticipantIMA – the best Frum real estate agent there is a man!
HealthParticipant12345,-I live in Lakewood, but there a Shul on Ascension St. past the Yeshiva, that’s Sefard.
HealthParticipantLook in the other post about this -“mice in my hoise”. I posted a remedy there!
HealthParticipant000646 -“1.) Again your assumption that if the Government wanted it could have easily rounded up everyone in the populations AIDs was first clinically observed in as well as anyone they may have had contact with and lock them up for life if they tested positive is beyond ridiculous. No one would submit to testing if that was the case!”
Your posts are getting more ridiculous as you go along!
Btw, how could they make a law that e/o has to have health insurance? How do they enforce it? I have a way for anyone to get tested, but first answer my question!
“Education is the only thing that has helped at all and gotten people to submit to testing and reduce their own chances of contracting the disease”
Education has done almost nothing to prevent AIDS from spreading.
Denial about the way to stop it, has caused lots of death!
“2.) Regarding ebola: we are discussing if a travel ban would be affective. Quarantine and/or testing of those entering from those countries would be fine, you are trying to change your position or simply forgot what we were discussing or are “moving the goal posts”
“Quarantine and/or testing of those entering from those countries would be fine” I would also agree with this, but I can’t. The reason I can’t is because our Gov. hasn’t got the Guts to do what’s Right! Just yesterday I saw on the news – a woman from Maine who was ordered to be quarantined decided to break it. How come she wasn’t under locked guard?
HealthParticipant000646 -“There were a lot of them. For the 10th time those diseases where observed in a very diverse population and HIV can lay completely dormant for over 10 years without showing any symptoms.”
And for the 10th time a quarantine would stop AIDS from spreading!
From Avert.org.:
“These studies suggested that while isolated cases of AIDS may have occurred in Africa earlier, it was probably rare until the late 1970’s and early 1980’s, a pattern similar to that in the United States and Haiti.”
“Of course it works. People are more likely to use safe practices if they know about these dangers then they are to submit to testing, you have this ridiculous idea that if the government wanted it could easily just round up all people who had in the past 10 years used an intravenous drug, Gays, Haitians or Africans or anyone who had contact with them in the pervious 10 years. This is not possible!!!”
And you keep repeating the same liberal lies. The Gov. came out with promoting education in 1986. So far AIDS has been growing ever since then. S– education doesn’t work, no matter if you believe all the liberal lies or Not!
From Avert.org.:
“In the United States, the Surgeon General’s Report on AIDS was published. The report was the Government’s first major statement on what the nation should do to prevent the spread of AIDS. The “unusually explicit” report urged parents and schools to start “frank, open discussions” about AIDS.”
“You keep just repeating the same assumptions over and over as if they are facts. You are assuming that AIDs was specific to the populations it was first clinically observed in. This is a false assumption. The diseases you keep mentioning where observed in a very diverse population. The idea that AIDS is a G– Disease contributed as much as anything else to the conservative government in the 80s ignoring it.”
All I said was that they were first noticed in certain populations!
I quoted from the CDC circa 1982:
“Only a small percentage of cases have none of the identified risk factors (male homosexuality, intravenous drug abuse, Haitian origin, and perhaps hemophilia A).”
“No, a travel ban would not keep it out of the USA.”
You keep putting words in my mouth – I said -“Again a travel ban would diminish the chance of Ebola coming here!”
“All it would do is make it harder for/prevent medical professionals from going there.”
Why??? All they would have to do is a 21 day quarantine!
It’s funny how you believe all the liberal lies. I saw on the news today – that how could the Gov. have a policy requiring anybody from the military, who came out from certain African countries, to be quarantined, but Not requiring anybody else who came out from certain African countries, to be quarantined?!
HealthParticipant000646 -“1.) you have not addressed any of my points including the fact that thousands of liters of Hatian blood were being shipped to the USA for years and thousands of Europeans had been being exposed to HIV for close to 50 years before emigrating en masse from spillover zones.”
Just because it was possible – doesn’t mean it happened. And how do I know it didn’t? Because AIDS causes other diseases which were documented and there weren’t alot of them.
“Ronald Reagan definitely messed up the response to the epidemic, the government should have started a campaign to educate the public about safe practices to help lower the amount of people who would unknowingly expose themselves to the Virus. He (and many conservatives) don’t and didn’t like people talking about STDs or anything related to them so they ignored it (every once in a while you can probably still hear conservatives whining about S- Ed in government run institutions including schools today).”
I agree with you about his response, but I disagree with the liberal solution. The only real solution is quarantine. S– education doesn’t work. That’s why there are new cases everyday, since the 1980’s!
“Attempting a travel ban or forced testing of everyone who could have been exposed would not have been possible. Like I pointed out above even just rounding up anyone who had used an intravenous drug in the previous 10 years as well as anyone who may have been exposed to the body fluids of someone who used one is not realistic. This is not even mentioning anyone who was exposed any other way (contact with blood from Hemo Carribean or someone who received some, a European who had either lived or had contact with someone who lived in the Congo, anyone who had traveled to Haiti/had contact with a Haitian etc.)”
Most of the way it was spread was from the Gays, and they should have been tested. Anyone testing positive should have been quarantined. This wasn’t done because it wasn’t PC!
“Trying to put in place a Travel ban instead of getting the Virus under control in West Africa IS giving it a bigger population to mutate in. It is inevitable that people would “slip through” the travel ban carrying the strains that had more time to mutate.”
You put words into my mouth – to push your beliefs. Noone said instead of! A travel ban would keep it more or less out of the US. They should have done that with HIV – not letting in Africans.
“Thinking that a Travel Ban would not effect the economy is ridiculous. To even give the appearance of possibly being slightly effective it would have to cover much more then the 3 “main” countries affected.”
Funny, when it comes to their wants & beliefs -they have no problem starting up with Iran, Iraq (long ago) & Russia. These countries have important trade with us; Africa Does Not! What we got from Africa is AIDS & Ebola!
HealthParticipant000646 -“1.) Regarding HIV:
You clearly don’t know much about this subject at all. Again you should try learning a bit about it, it’s a fascinating topic.”
Kol Haposel B’momo Posel!
“(A slightly irrelevant fact is that Ronald Reagan was president in the early 80s he wasn’t exactly known for running a “liberal” administration and it was administration that responded to the first discovery of AIDS)”
From Avert.org
I don’t know why it was ignored, but whatever the reason – it doesn’t change what had occurred!
Again I write -“If they wanted to control it – they could have, but it wasn’t PC. Now in the US we have over a million people with AIDS.”
“By the end of 1983 the number of AIDS diagnoses reported in the USA had risen to 3,064 and of these people 1,292 had died.”
“2.) Regarding Ebola:
Again, a travel ban would not prevent the disease from coming here so it wouldn’t save lives. All a ban would is wreck the economy”
Again a travel ban would diminish the chance of Ebola coming here!
As a matter of fact, 2 nurses got Ebola because there wasn’t a travel ban. As far as wrecking the Economy, I don’t think we do much trading with West Africa!
“and give the virus more of a chance to mutate which would result in a deadlier strain coming here which would kill more people.”
Boy – you really should be a spokesman for the Gov. The reason why viruses mutate is because the more people exposed to it – the more chance it has to mutate. The open door policy from the Gov. will make more people getting infected! I think the reason why the Pres. picked a Liberal Jew from NY to run the CDC&P was because he would do whatever he’s told!
HealthParticipant000646 -“The blood came from an estimated 170,000 Haitians- any number of which could have been carrying HIV which by that time (unknown to anyone then) was prevalent in Haiti.
By the early 1980s when HIV was noticed in certain populations in the USA this thing was far beyond control. It wasn’t just a few thousand people that had to be tested and it wasn’t in a small area.
You should really read a bit about the subject of zoonotic diseases. It’s a fascinating subject and you should stop talking down to people who disagree with you when you aren’t familiar with the topic being discussed.”
Your implications are false. Read this history about HIV:
“Abstract
A seroepidemiological survey has been carried out in the Veneto region to determine the prevalence of HTLV-III and HTLV-I antibodies in subjects at risk for development of AIDS and related conditions. Serum samples were tested by ELISA and, for confirmation, by radioimmunoassay (Western blot), using disrupted virus as antigen. The results show that 22 out of 112 hemophiliacs had antibodies against HTLV-III; however disaggregation of data resulted in 22.6 and 77.8% positivity for patients with severe forms of hemophilia A and B, respectively. Two patients with hemophilia A and two with hemophilia B were positive for antibodies to HTLV-I. The prevalence of HTLV-III antibodies in the homosexual and intravenous drug abuser groups was 52 and 33% respectively. No positive cases for antibodies to HTLV-I were found in homosexuals, while 4.3% seropositivity to HTLV-I was observed in drug abusers. Among patients suffering from various pathologic conditions not strictly AIDS related, only 1 with generalized non-Hodgkin lymphoma was positive for HTLV-I antibodies. In a further group of patients with clinical diagnosis of LAS and AIDS, antibodies to HTLV-III were found in 90 and 100% respectively, while seropositivity for HTLV-I was observed only in 6.4% of LAS patients. The implications of these findings are discussed, particularly in view of the potential oncogenic effect possessed by HTLV-I.”
If they wanted to control it – they could have, but it wasn’t PC. Now in the US we have over a million people with AIDS.
“Regarding Ebola if a Travel Ban would not effectively keep Ebola out of the USA then it does not reduce the danger to American citizens.”
It would stop many cases here. Those lives aren’t important, right? Now you for sure sound like you work for the Gov.!
HealthParticipant000646 – Why are you continuing to post on this topic – when you know nothing about medicine?
“Again what is your assumption that after decades of circulating in the general population there is was only a handful of cases based on?”
It wasn’t an assumption; if you read anything about Aids – you’d know it causes other things. You must have missed my post of -“There might not have been a diagnosis of Aids, but there was diagnosis of the opportunistic infections & Kaposi disease.”
“That’s ridiculous! If “holding the law” was so easy then there wouldn’t be drugs in the USA today. The US has and had fairly strict drug laws for quite some time. It’s like saying “I have a great idea to end the drug problem in the USA let’s enforce drug laws and then drugs will go away.”
That was exactly my point! The gov. picks & chooses. They could enforce many things, but certain issues they don’t want to. AIDS testing wasn’t enforced because it wasn’t PC!
“Regarding Ebola, the point that I have been saying over and over is that a travel ban won’t keep the disease out of the USA. It won’t effectively “keep away the sick people”.”
Of course it wouldn’t, but I’ve been saying over & over -it would make it less of a risk to American citizens! Liberals always deny the truth to manipulate others. Just today or yesterday, 3 or 4 states, decided to quarantine anyone who had contact with Ebola pts. in West Africa. How come the US doesn’t have this policy?
HealthParticipant000646 –
From Yahoo:
“Endemic Definition
dictionary.search.yahoo.com
adj. adjective
1.Prevalent in or limited to a particular locality, region, or people.”
It became an epidemic because of the Gov. policies.
“AIDS was first clinically diagnosed in certain populations in the 80s, it (or the HIV virus that causes it) had been circulating in the general population for decades. That’s besides the point”
So what??? As far as the general population – this was only a handful!
“that to do what you propose the government would have had to force everyone who had used an intravenous drug or touched the body fluids of someone who had used an intravenous drug since about 1970 to submit to a quarantine/testing for it even have a chance of being effective. That’s not very realistic at all.”
Actually, they would have to start up holding the law. Drugs are illegal!
Actually, it is Very Effective & Very Realistic, but Not PC!
“2.) If you cannot prevent the Virus from coming here you shouldn’t waste resources trying to do so. You should try doing something that has a chance of having an effect.”
Unfortunately, they Don’t have a vaccine, neither For AIDS or for Ebola. The next best thing is to keep away the Sick people. That is why they invented something called “quarantines”!
HealthParticipantBarryLS1 -E/O should read it. IMHO they should give up “Israel” to Turkey. The book is based on Goyish law, not acc. to the Torah!
HealthParticipant000646 -“1.) Regarding HIV: The infections you mentioned were observed in a very diverse population and had been occurring for decades. Just because AIDS was clinically diagnosed in a certain population does not mean that it was endemic to that population, you are assuming that it was. What is your assumption based on?”
You don’t read my posts or you don’t understand them! Hiv is a virus -therefore anybody who contacts this virus -gets it. HIV became endemic in the 80’s, despite your denial.
“Also forcing everyone who had used intravenous drugs or touched a body fluid of an intravenous drug user in a decade to submit for testing is very unrealistic.”
At that time there was very few people with Aids. Anybody from the At-risk population should have been tested. Most people would go voluntarily. Those that wouldn’t -there are options to deal with them.
“2.) Regarding Ebola I don’t think that West Africans “should” be able to come here. If it would be possible to keep ebola out of the USA with travel bans I would be very pro them.”
Again noone said you can prevent – For certain the Ebola virus from coming here!
Why are you making it an All or None situation?
HealthParticipant000646 -“1.) I’m not making any assumptions. Why would you assume that for 30 years the disease was only circulating in certain populations? Most people didn’t know if they had it at that time as more and more people got educated about it more and more cases were noticed everywhere.”
Of course you are making assumptions! Do you have any medical education? There might not have been a diagnosis of Aids, but there was diagnosis of the opportunistic infections & Kaposi disease.
“Also even just “intravenous drug users” is way too big of a group to quarantine in any case. That group alone would include an incredible amount of people, how do you think they would track down anyone who had used an intravenous drug in the previous 10 years??”
You obviously didn’t read my posts! I wrote they should have required them to be tested.
“2.) Outbreaks start with 1 person. 1 person can expose hundreds of people in just a few hours (just has to take a plane and then an airport shuttle etc.) by trying to block off half a continent and not trying to stop the epidemic over there it is virtually guaranteed that people will slip through the cracks eventually, the only difference then will be that the virus would have had more time to mutate.”
Noone said -We have to stop any chance of getting the disease. Why do you think it’s Ok for the West Africans to come here?
HealthParticipantBarry -It seems you read “Time Immorial”!
HealthParticipantPBA – And I thought you were a male!
HealthParticipantPBA – How many times have you had “morning sickness”?
HealthParticipantLior – Your point does make sense. The only way the Arabs will be happy is that there will be No Israeli Gov.
And btw, they have Iraq, Syria, Lebanon & Jordan given to them from the “West”!
HealthParticipant000646 -“1.)You are wrong. It wasn’t only in “certain populations” it was first clinically diagnosed in “certain populations” but it had been circulating in the general population for anywhere from 10-30 years before it was even noticed in those populations. The first victims of it in the USA (way before the 80s) were a diverse group.”
This paragraph is accurate, but I’m still Not wrong! What you fail to mention is that since it wasn’t recognized until the 80’s – noone investigated it. So how do you know how those few people got HIV? You make assumptions to justify your liberal Shittas!
From the CDC circa 1982:
“Only a small percentage of cases have none of the identified risk factors (male homosexuality, intravenous drug abuse, Haitian origin, and perhaps hemophilia A).”
“2.) My point is simply that if Ebola isn’t controlled in Africa and we just attempt to lock out that entire part of the world it is virtually guaranteed that the virus will get here somehow. Expecting the whole world to want to follow (or even be able to have secure enough borders to follow if they wanted to do so)is far from being realistic.”
Again your misconstruing my point! The point of not letting in people from West Africa is to diminish the amt. of people in the US being exposed to the Ebola Virus!
Btw, you’d make a good spokesman for the gov.; but they don’t need you because the american public always believes the Pres.!
Btw, I saw on the news today that a lot of Democrats are calling for a ban of entry on those West African countries!
HealthParticipant000646 -“1.) You are making up facts. Saying that the disease would have been easy to control on the early 8s does not make it so. Once a virus is circulating in a population for over a decade there is practically no way to figure out how many people had been exposed over that period and isolate them. How could you know that there was only a handful cases after the disease had been circulating for probably 30 years before anyone recognized it”
Again you’re Not facing the facts! HIV only spreads a certain way. At that time HIV was basically only in certain populations. This could have been controlled. The circulation from way before that was only seen in very few people.
“2.) You aren’t addressing my point here. If all countries on earth don’t do a quarantine at once it won’t help for the reasons i wrote above”
Not true! Even if only a few countries do it – this will diminish
the risk to us.
Did you ever go to college? Did you take Statistics?
HealthParticipant000646 –
“1.) If HIV had been circulating in the American population for 10-30 years before it was recognized quarantining a couple thousand people would not have done anything. The amount of people that would have to be quarantined after a virus has been circulating that long would be astronomical and it would be just about impossible to track down everyone who may have been infected and quarantine them”
Unfortunately you are in Denial. For most of those years -there was only a handful. Come into the 80’s -still there was only a few thousand. The Gov. knew which group(s) of people were at risk. They could have demanded testing in those groups. And anyone testing pos. would have been quarantined. This would have the effect of, at least 3/4 that got Aids, wouldn’t have gotten It!
“2.) Looking at people’s passports won’t help because of the reasons I listed above. In order to have an affective quarantine you would need to quarantine not only West Africans but also anyone who had contact with one or with anyone who had contact with someone who had contact with one etc. it’s simply not possible.”
Why must I repeat to you over & over? I wrote -if the US would implement such a policy, many countries would follow suit! Even if some of the countries wouldn’t do it, many would. And this would diminish the risk many fold!
HealthParticipantarwsf – What’s a “wet rag”?
HealthParticipantcharliehall -“By 1984 we understood how difficult it is to spread HIV and that there was no reason to quarantine anyone. Today there are millions of HIV-positive people, many living normal lives. You want to quarantine all of them?”
Did you read my posts? It’s practically impossible to do it now, but it should have been done then (80’s).
Btw, if they would have quarantined those that were at risk then, eg. Hatians, Gays, etc, millions of people would be alive today!
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