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old man – Welcome back!
Patur Aval Assur -“The ??? ???? quotes an answer that min hadin a woman does not have to get married at all and “??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ????” is an eitzah tovah.
So to conclude, there are definitely grounds to argue that a woman is not obligated to get married. DaasYochid, the thing that bygirl93 said “correct me if I’m wrong” on was ??? ????, so even if you are right that there is a different obligation, bygirl93 was still correct and therefore you were not actually correcting her for being wrong. However, the lashon you used was “that is not the only reason to get married” which does not necessarily indicate that you think that there is an obligation to get married, but merely a reason to get married. But Health explicitly stated that there is an obligation, so this post is primarily a response to him, pointing out that it’s not so pashut.”
I know the ??? ???? & it’s a Chiddush; not Pashut P’shat in the S’A!
From the topic that I started:
“Who wants to be a Tzadaikes like Rus?”
“Health,
moi aussi -“Shulchan Aruch, Even HaEzer 1:13:
“lo teshev isho belo ish shelo techoshed”
a woman should not remain without a husband because of suspicion”
Yes, this is the way we Pasken!
“Hilchot Issurei Biyah
“shelo yiso zoken yalda shedovor zeh gorem l’znus”
an old man shall not marry a young woman as this will lead to adultery”
Mentioned above previously -it says Yalda -a girl less than 12, not young woman!
“Yevamot 101b
“k’lech etsel shekmosech ve’al tachnis ketata letoch beisech”
a man shall marry a woman of his age and not bring strife into his home”
This was discussed on page 1 & 2 of this topic! Please read all posts before posting.
“Hilchot Issurei Biyah 21:26
“reshus le’isho shelo tinoseh le’olam”
a woman has permission not to ever marry”
The Rambam is a Rishon. We Pasken like the Shulchan Aruch.
“Reb Akiva Eiger
In a place where there’s no suspicion, a woman has no obligation to marry”
This means a town with No men or just Men whom can’t have kids. In other words bascially an all Women town.
So it comes out a Woman has a CHIYUV to get married!”
Veltz Meshugener -“I am not someone who gets into vehement arguments about vaccines, either pro or anti.”
This I don’t believe! Your whole post sounds very Anti. I’m just gonna address this point about Chicken pox. The other posters have done a good job on the rest of your OP!
“Here are some examples that support what I wrote above:
2. A similar situation is true of the chicken pox vaccine. I am old enough (and I’m not that old) to remember doctors directing parents to seek out chicken pox for their children. Now there is a vaccine that provides dramatically less protection against chicken pox than the old practice. The vaccine needs to be renewed every fifteen years or so, and therefore makes it more likely that people will get chicken pox as adults, when it is serious, rather than as children, when it’s not.”
Now the Truth from the CDC:
“CDC recommends two doses of chickenpox vaccine for children, adolescents, and adults. Two doses of the vaccine are about 98% effective at preventing chickenpox.”
“The best way to prevent chickenpox is to get the chickenpox vaccine. Children, adolescents, and adults should have two doses of chickenpox vaccine.
RebYidd23 -“Part of the definition of OCD is that it is a disorder. If it’s not a problem, it’s not OCD”
“Not a problem”, for whom? If it is a problem for s/o, eg. spouse, children, etc., then it could also be OCD!
If you KNOW it’s slippery – don’t Drive or go outside! This is called following the Torah; no matter what others are doing!
Yehuda Goldstein -“but when the OCD behavior is about religious things (as it is with me, according to the opinions that I have it in the first place) there tends to be a good deal of rationality involved.”
If s/o is diagnosed with OCD, then it isn’t rational, even if the OCD pertains to Frumkeit. Usually those that have OCD are put on medicine. When s/o has mental illness – it’s usually a 2-pronged Tx. – Psychiatrist & therapy (Psychologist or Social worker). There are Frum therapists that deal with OCD. This is preferable for a Frum patient!
Matan1 -“Cops can restrain suspects. They CAN’T put a suspect’s life at risk.”
He put his own life in risk by resisting the Police!
“Garner was not resisting arrest, nor was he a threat to anyone.”
He was resisting arrest. Learn the legal definition before commenting. And you don’t have to be threating anyone before a cop can arrest you!
“He was murdered by the cop, plain and simple.”
Not the least bit of Truth, plain and simple!
“I wan’t to pose a question. If the victim was Jewish, would we even be having this conversation?
I imagine that we’d all be running (rightfully so) to put the cop behind bars. Just food for thought.”
If it was a Yid like me,(dunno about you,) I’d stick my hands out & Not resist the PD.
RebYidd23 -“How come you’re grouping me with the mob and yourself with the Grand Jury?”
Simply because of your posts here – like this one:
“Police are not supposed to kill people.”
“yourself with the Grand Jury?”
Because we hold the same –Not Guilty!
RebYidd23 -“Actions matter more than intentions.”
OK, but how come you & the mob know more than the Grand Jury?
RebYidd23 -“Restrain” and “kill” are two very different things.”
Are you implying the cop wanted to kill him? Even the mob doesn’t claim that!
Matan1 -“He did deny wrongdoing, but I don’t see why that’s relevant. In America, everyone is entitled to a trial and is presumed innocent until proven otherwise.”
He entitled to a trial after he’s arrested!
“Let’s say he did resist arrest and pushed the cop (which the video clearly shows to be false). How does that give the cop the right to put him in a dangerous chokehold? It’s not like Garner was a threat. There were multiple officers around him, so I doubt that he could have hurt anyone.”
When s/o has to get arrested or even just has to be questioned, the cop is allowed to restrain him, ie. put him in handcuffs. He knew better, Not to resist!
Matan1-“Garner did not physically resist arrest. I watched the video several times. He only starts to struggle when the cop puts his arm around his neck.
You can call me a liberal if that makes you feel better, but it does not change the facts. Eric Garner was killed by the police officer who put him in a chokehold.”
Unfortunately you are the one who’s changing the facts. I just watched the video a few times. The fact is he denied any wrongdoing from the git-go. The cop wanted to restrain him, but he pushed the cop. What he should have done was gently stuck out his hands to be restrained. If he would have done that he’d still be alive & the mob would just focus on Missouri & elsewhere!
Matan1 -“Resisting arrest? Really? Garner said “don’t touch me” a few times. That’s it. How is that resisting arrest?”
Before you & others (the mob) start commenting and protesting on this – they should know Police procedure. Any cop is allowed to restrain s/o to question or to arrest him. When the cop said “Give me your hands”, he refused & pushed the cop away. This is called “resisting arrest”!
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Matan1 “Exactly. Garner deserved a ticket. Nothing more than that.
Had he resisted arrest, Garner would be facing a potential felony. But fortunately, we have a tape of what occurred. It is clear from the film that Garner did not physically resist officers from arresting him. He was clearly upset at the situation, but did not in any way resist arrest.
Eric Garner did not resist arrest. Watch the video. He in no way physically opposed his arrest.”
Because of your outlandish claims, I just watched the video a few times. He resisted arrest physically & verbally.
“We must protest his death and the outcome of the grand jury.”
We must protest the mobs’ attitude & their violence and all the liberals’ falsehoods!
Matan1 -“Health, pardon my ignorance, but what was he supposed to do? My understanding of police responsibility is that cops should our streets safe. Garner wasn’t a threat to anyone. Sure he was breaking the law,”
You don’t understand American law. Once s/o breaks a law, even if the offense just warrants a ticket, the cop has to issue it. I’m not a lawyer, just in medicine, so I don’t know what level of offense selling loosies is, but let’s assume it’s the lowest level. The cop wants to give him a ticket, but Garner resists. His resisting makes it now a felony. The cop has to arrest him; he can’t just let him go home! And what happened after that is history.
DY -“You should keep reading it until you understand it.”
I did understand it – the first time!
Why don’t you understand my post?
“The cop did what he was supposed to do, whether it was PC or Not!”
DY -“You should read my post before commenting.”
I did. That’s why I posted Your quote:
DaasYochid -“It’s got nothing to do with whether he deserved to die; the issue is whether the officer should have been expected to think that what he did could kill him.”
The cop did what he was supposed to do, whether it was PC or Not!
DaasYochid -“It’s got nothing to do with whether he deserved to die; the issue is whether the officer should have been expected to think that what he did could kill him.”
The cop isn’t a Novi!
How was he resisting? And how much do you know about police procedure?
DaasYochid – If you happened to read All the comments before posting, it would be helpful.
“He wasn’t trying to enforce the mitzvos of b’nei Noach,”
No one said he was!
“and whether Garner happened to have been a criminal is irrelevant.”
It is very relevant. We were talking about what the Torah holds.
“The sole issue here is whether the police officer was responsible for his death, and that’s it.”
Who said?
“If he was, then he did no mitzvah, and he should have been indicted.”
I say it was a Mitzvah. And he wasn’t indicted, because it wasn’t an indictable offense.
DY – LOL!
This one: “Fact three: the officer used a technique which is not allowed by the NYPD”
I posted this above: “Police unions have denied that Pantaleo used a chokehold.”
“It just proves that you shouldn’t believe everything in the News.”
I also saw a still of the takedown. The cop’s arms were Not around the guy’s neck!
Sam2 -“Health:If we want to punish them for not having Dinim, it has to be a Kosher Jewish Beis Din, which means Smichah and a Kosher Eid.”
Whose talking about Yidden punishing them? The cop was enforcing the 7 Mitzvos!
Sam2 -“You still need a Dayan, though, and to be Kasher for Dayanus you need Smichah. You still need a Kosher Eid (meaning a Jew, not a Goy). It’s a Misas Beis Din. There is just a more lenient requirement here for what constitutes a Beis Din and what constitutes testimony.”
You’re wrong! The Dayan & the Eid can be Goyim. The Rambam comes from Sanhedrin 56b.
Look it up!
The Goq -“Fact one: Garner committed a crime
Fact two: he resisited arrest
Fact three: the officer used a technique which is not allowed by the NYPD”
Your Facts are not factual! The Grand Jury looked at all the evidence & found No reason to indict. It just proves that you shouldn’t believe everything in the News.
BTW, I found this online:
“Police unions have denied that Pantaleo used a chokehold.”
Sam2 -“So you need Eidus and a Dayan (with Smichah). It’s still Misas Beis Din, just a lower definition of Beis Din.”
Read the Rambam again & think about it. You appear to be a Talmid Chochom, not like other posters.
RebYidd23 – “Murder is always a crime.”
Is it always? I heard Abortion is legal, but Not acc. to the Torah!
Sam2 -“I’m saying there’s an Issur. In normal circumstances, killing is an Issur. Hence, the burden of proof that it’s not Assur right now is one you.”
Ok. Fair enough! I’ll start this round:
?????? ????? ????? ??????????
??????. ?????? ?????? ?????? ??????? ??? ??? ???? ???? ??? ???? ???. ??????? ?? ???. ??? ?? ???? ?? ??? ???? ???? ??? ???? ?????. ????? ?? ??????? ?? ???? ??? ?????. ???? ??? ??? ??? ??? ????? ??? ?????. ??? ?? ???? ??? ??? ?????? ??? ??? ????? ??? ?? ?????? ??? ?? ????? ??? ??? ???? ??? ???:
Sam2 -“We don’t do it because if we did it would be Retzicha Al Pi Halacha, not because American law won’t let us.”
Prove that it’s called Retzicha Al Pi Halacha!
Sam2 -“Health: You’re wrong. Being Over on the 7 Mitzvos is not a blanket death sentence.”
No one said it was!
“It’s a Chiyuv on Beis Din (like any Misas Beis Din) to mete out.”
So what?
“It’s not a free-for-all for anyone to kill someone who was Over.”
It becomes one when the Gov. don’t keep the 7 Mitzvahs. Anyone can do it, if they can do it legally.
“We don’t do it because if we did it would be Retzicha Al Pi Halacha, not because American law won’t let us.”
You’re wrong again!
“Misas Beis Din have to be done by Beis Din, not Stam vigilantes.”
It’s Not vigilantism, when it’s Rozon Hashem!
RebYidd23 –
Health:
It is self defense when the purpose is to preserve one’s own life.
I know that you do not belong to my religion. In my religion murder is a crime.
“Even a person who is pure evil should be brought to trial, not killed by police.”
I also believe murder is a crime, but what the libs don’t understand is that cases like Garner isn’t murder.
ubiquitin -“they didnt trade. Ramos took his sandwich”
How do you know? Where you there? Or is it that you never can be wrong?
RebYidd23 -“Self defense is different.”
It isn’t self-defense when you put yourself in that situation in the first place. And cops do it all the time.
“And I find it disturbing that you think it’s okay for anyone to kill evil people.
By the way, to what religion do you belong?”
Not yours!
I feel bad that you’re so disturbed!
ubiquitin -“Granted they may not have ben oiver as much as garner but According to a highschool classmate of Officer Ramos’s Detective Ramos once took his tuna fish sandwich. according to your “logic” and your evil religion healthism, it is now “very good” that he was murdered.”
Your obsession to be right is getting to you. Who said the kid was more than six years old? Maybe they traded and the kid wanted it back after Ramos picked it up? In these scenarios, he wasn’t Oiver the 7 Mitzvahs of B’nai Noach!
ubiquitin -“Ok So when you can say “very good” when cops get killed, well you are right we dont belong to the same religion.”
You’re right, we don’t! You lie, just to make a point. I never said or claimed that. I wrote anybody who doesn’t keep the 7 Mitzvahs of B’nai Noach deserves death! I’m sorry that you have a problem with the Torah.
RebYidd23 -“It’s not the cop’s job to kill evil people. Even a person who is pure evil should be brought to trial, not killed by police.”
You’re right! It’s the job of the government, but it’s great when the government doesn’t do it’s job, s/o else fills in for them.
“Even a person who is pure evil should be brought to trial, not killed by police.”
So No cops should carry guns! This way they wouldn’t be able to shoot perps. Only perps are allowed to carry.
ubiquitin -“Health You have still not answered here is my question again:
“”If it tuns out that Officers Ramos and Liu have ever stolen anything in their lives (even a shava perutah or less), ever been mevarech Hashem, gilui Arayos etc, then it is “very good” that they got shot!?””
I’ll answer your question, even though it’s irrelevant! Yes, if they were Oiver the 7 Mitzvahs of B’nai Noach. I’ll repeat what I said before, “Why do libs always have to make the good people (cops) bad & the bad people good?”
Now I want to ask you a question – Did you agree with Sharpton when he said “Kill the Jews”?
The mob then did kill S/O! If not, what’s the difference between mobs?
Sam2 -” Health: Wrong. If you want someone to have a Din Treifa, there needs to be a P’sak Din L’misa. Would you call every Ba’al T’shuvah a Treifa? Heck, you just made the whole world Treifos, now it should be Muttar (Al Pi the Minchas Chinuch) to kill anyone to save your own life. Yasher Koach! You removed Mai Chazis”
Look, I don’t understand your post, but I’ll try to explain mine. The reason we don’t enforce the 7 Mitzvahs is because we would be prosecuted. Here the cop legally was able to act to do the Rozon of Hashem! I don’t understand why you & liberals have a problem with this.
Sam2 -“Health: You’re being ridiculous here. He does not have the Din of a Treifa unless he had a Psak Din L’misa.”
He does; even though there is no Psak. The US doesn’t keep the 7 Mitzvahs B’nai Noach so it doesn’t mean he goes scot free.
“Frankly, you’re sounding like you’ll disagree with anything just because a liberal says it. If a liberal says the sky is blue that doesn’t make it green. Just because you disagree with someone usually doesn’t make them always wrong. (And no one in this thread is claiming racism, just a case of police violence.)”
There is no cop brutality & the Jury said so! Laws aren’t based on the PC of the generation, but on morals, basically.
ubiquitin -“I’m not sure if you are serious, Garner wasn’t being arrested/killed for grand larceny. What does that have to do with anything? Are you aying becasue of his stealing in the past it allows for him to be killed?”
That’s right, but you know that! He has a Din of a Treifa!
“If so, it would follow based on your “logic” that any body who stole ever can just be killed.”
That’s right, but you know that, also!
“If it tuns out that Officers Ramos and Liu have ever stolen anything in their lives (even a shava perutah or less), ever been mevarech Hashem, gilui Arayos etc, then it is “very good” that they got shot!?”
What religion are you? Why do libs always have to make the good people (cops) bad & the bad people good?
“And you have the nerve to attribute this gross krumkeit to Hashem?”
I agree, but that’s your ideology!
Sam2 -“Hashem wants him killed? Excuse me? So why don’t you go around killing every Goy who’s ever stolen? Here’s a hint: Hashem doesn’t want them killed. He wants Misas Beis Din administered when it’s deserved. Not the free vigilante “justice” you’re advocating.”
If the Goyim don’t keep the 7 Mitzvos, any way that Hashem’s will can be kept is fine. I detect PC, inspite of the Torah!
“And no, he wasn’t acquitted. The Grand Jury refused to even send it to trial. That is the miscarriage of justice here.”
But you continue to be PC, inspite of the truth! The reason the Grand Jury refused to even send it to trial was because No law was broken. There are those that claim you have to be PC, even if that’s a miscarriage of justice!
4. Garner had been arrested 31 times and eight of those had been for selling loosies. His rap sheet goes back decades and includes arrests for assault and grand larceny”
ubiquitin -“in the wild west theri was free reign to kill whomever you didnt like, we do not live in the wild west, that is why the police should be held to a standard and answer for their actions.”
That’s what the libs do -they deny the truth! At least in the Wild, Wild West you could carry a gun, these days only the perps carry! Then libs pervert the justice!
“you must have a different list of 7 mitzvos, mine doesnt include selling loose cigarettes. What on Earth are you talking about,.
Please don’t insult the Torah by dragging it in to defend your krum bloodthirsty shitos. Everybody from Reform going full circle to Neturei karta also claims they have the Torah on their side. If you have a source indicating that selling loose cigarettes or resisting arrest is punishable by the death penalty fine otherwise stop claiming to speak for Hashem.”
Sad that you claim that you’re right, by peverting the truth. Obviously you don’t think “assault and grand larceny” is part of the 7 mitzvos. Kol Haposel B’momo Poisel on your whole post!
Ubiquitin – “Are you serious “very good” that a person was killed. I can disagree with those who say it was sad but unavoidable and the police shouldnt be held accountable. You don’t deserve talking to. Killing unarmed, harmless people for crimes that dont carry the deatg penalty, is never “very good” and I dont see how a good person can call it such.”
I was under the impression that this website was for Orthodox Jews; I guess not. It’s “very good” because Hashem wants criminals like that, who don’t keep the 7 Mitzvos B’nai Noach to be killed. I don’t understand you & all the Liberals – Do you want to go back to the days of the Wild, Wild West? Or do you just want lawlessness, so you could be PC? The jury found the cop Not guilty & the libs are upset with that. If they found him guilty, that would be a miscarriage of justice!
RebYidd23- “Then we should never disagree with anything, because everything that happens is the Rozon of Hashem!”.
Tell me something, What Yeshiva did you learn in? You have Bechira, but what the cop did was
very good! Not only did G-d like his actions, even the government found nothing wrong with them. The posters here & the demonstrators are just being PC!
RebYidd23 -“Why should we be happy the cop did what he did?”
Because he did the Rozon (Will) of Hashem!
PBA -“unless I don’t like her”
Why would you go out with a “her”?
Sam2 -“Al Pi Halacha, that was Retzicha.”
ubiquitin -“This is true in halacha as well, to be chayev for killing a blow has to be “kedei lehamisso” able to kill, if the victim had predisposing conditions, it takes less to kill him making them MORE liable for the same action than had they done it to a healthy person”
The problem here is that the US doesn’t keep the 7 Mitzvos Bnai Noach. The posters should be happy that the cop did what he did, instead we have the posts above that it was wrong “Al Pi Halacha”! Whether the Goyim could have him found guilty, but didn’t, it’s great. Even so-called “Frum” Jews, aren’t.