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tzaddiq – Most people burn the meat and it ends up raw on the inside. Use hickory chips and cook on a low flame or charcoal. Flip when juices coming out the other side.
sharp -“Health: A little bit of booze to treat OCCASIONAL insomnia is not so bad.”
Check out the two topics I just mentioned. They discuss alcohol.
Try this topic:
Also this one:
Sleep Remedies
jewishfeminist02 -“I sometimes have a bit of alcohol just before bed. That helps, too.”
Just a little right? And they all tell me it was only two beers.
There are other ways to treat insomnia besides booze.
Vogue -It’s time to move out on your own. Get a job, an apt., etc. and you won’t be treated like a baby.
tzaddiq -“not for nothing montreal-style bagels are famous and emulated in dozens of other cities.”
I don’t anywhere that tries to emulate them, but even if somewhere tries -they can’t do it.
Mr. Doniel- “Montreal bagels are misshapen”
Misshapen or Not, but they are the best in the world and I’m a born and bred American (US).
monday night cholent -“Health, The Dr I was refering to has an Internal Medicine practice in NJ. He’s been practicing for quite a while, as far as I know.”
Well many disagree. I know of two pediatric groups and one IM Doc here in Lakewood that hire PA’s.
“Again, there is nothing against PA’s, just Dr’s have better training. PA’s are needed, but Drs are needed more.”
Again a good PA is better than a below avg. Doc. If your Doc has been out of the hospital awhile, which seems so from your post, he hasn’t had much exposure to PA’s. Nowadays PA’s & NP’s are the backbone of many hospitals.
monday night cholent -“Health, I spoke to more than one Dr about PA’s. One even told me that he would rather hire a below average Dr than a PA even though he would have to pay the Dr double what he would pay a PA. This is not a shot at PA’s. PA’s are needed. However, Drs are have more training and are needed more, especially now with the upcoming physician shortage.”
Look this isn’t about I’m gonna prove you wrong or you’re gonna prove me wrong – e/o including me and other med prof. are entitled to their opinion(s).
I’d like to ask you something though -the last Doc that you mentioned -what area does he practice in and how long has he been practicing? Also, what type of exposure does/did he have to PA’s?
twisted -“In my recent bout with the flu, a retired doc told me to just stick my feet in cold water if the fevers go too high. Didn’t need to, but I tried it once, and it works.”
There are a lot more modern ways to lower temp. besides taking pills.
From the Mayo clinic:
“You can try a number of things to make yourself or your child more comfortable during a fever:
Drink plenty of fluids.
Fever can cause fluid loss and dehydration, so drink water, juices or broth. For a child under age 1, use an oral rehydration solution such as Pedialyte. These solutions contain water and salts proportioned to replenish fluids and electrolytes. Pedialyte ice pops also are available.
Rest.
It’s necessary for recovery, and activity can raise your body temperature.
Stay cool.
Dress in light clothing, keep the room temperature cool and sleep with only a sheet or light blanket.
Soak in lukewarm water.
frumnotyeshivish – You didn’t answer my question -failed out or
No job?
“Now, back to your schooling, elementary or high school?”
Yes, I’ve done that and a few different schools post high school besides what I posted before. I just didn’t go to YU B’H, like you are/did.
MediumThinker -“Agree with verapei. I’m a 2nd year med student.”
If you or your friend “verapei” get into the third year and your handler tells you to go see a pt. – before you do it and come back to your handler and make a fool of yourself, ask the resident, intern, PA, NP or nurse for some pointers in general and what’s going on with your pt. You’ll still make a fool of yourself, but not such a big one. Also, before each rotation buy a student book on the rotation like Blueprints, Recall, etc. Read it before, during and afterwards.
frumnotyeshivish – What – you finished giving your advice to the future lawyers? What happened with you – did you fail law school or you couldn’t find a normal job – that you always try to put down future lawyers?
MediumThinker -“I guess Wikipedia was unclear. Am I right in presuming that you are not a doctor?”
Let me explain you something those guys with a lot of Chutzpa and Gaava don’t end up to be good practioners. (Though almost e/o gets the degree.) Even a medium thinker can get into med school -it doesn’t take a good thinker to be able to reguritate your textbook.
I hope you can comprehend the following:
“J Endotoxin Res. 2004;10(4):201-22.
Infection, fever, and exogenous and endogenous pyrogens: some concepts have changed.
Abstract
For many years, it was thought that bacterial products caused fever via the intermediate production of a host-derived, fever-producing molecule, called endogenous pyrogen (EP). Bacterial products and other fever-producing substances were termed exogenous pyrogens. It was considered highly unlikely that exogenous pyrogens caused fever by acting directly on the hypothalamic thermoregulatory center since there were countless fever-producing microbial products, mostly large molecules, with no common physical structure. In vivo and in vitro, lipopolysaccharides (LPSs) and other microbial products induced EP, subsequently shown to be interleukin-1 (IL-1). The concept of the ‘endogenous pyrogen’ cause of fever gained considerable support when pure, recombinant IL-1 produced fever in humans and in animals at subnanomolar concentrations. Subsequently, recombinant tumor necrosis factor-alpha (TNF-alpha), IL-6 and other cytokines were also shown to cause fever and EPs are now termed pyrogenic cytokines. However, the concept was challenged when specific blockade of either IL-1 or TNF activity did not diminish the febrile response to LPS, to other microbial products or to natural infections in animals and in humans. During infection, fever could occur independently of IL-1 or TNF activity. The cytokine-like property of Toll-like receptor (TLR) signal transduction provides an explanation by which any microbial product can cause fever by engaging its specific TLR on the vascular network supplying the thermoregulatory center in the anterior hypothalamus. Since fever induced by IL-1, TNF-alpha, IL-6 or TLR ligands requires cyclooxygenase-2, production of prostaglandin E2 (PGE2) and activation of hypothalamic PGE2 receptors provides a unifying mechanism for fever by endogenous and exogenous pyrogens. Thus, fever is the result of either cytokine receptor or TLR triggering; in autoimmune diseases, fever is mostly cytokine mediated whereas both cytokine and TLR account for fever during infection.”
frumscientist -“1. I don’t have regular access to a cpu.”
Unfortunately, you don’t sound ready for the realities of married life and school. I trust you that you are for real. First of all, don’t go to Touro now -it will be overwhelming. Drop out and start in OCC. You can possibly survive in OCC w/o a computer and internet providing you’re willing to spend many extra hours there to do homework. It would be easier obviously to buy your own computer. But definitely once you go to any other school -you will need a computer with the internet and possibly/probably a Non-filtered one. Your whole posts sound to me as you’re about to experience culture shock.
playtime -“Health- What type of English courses?”
Well if you live in Lakewood, go to OCC and take the pre-admission exams. If you place below then they put you in Pre -English, if Not you can start with Eng 101 (usually basic composition). Take at least Eng 1 & 2 (101 & 102). If you feel you need more there are more Eng. courses – higher levels you can take.
frumscientist -“I just enrolled in Touro for the summer semester. Wish me luck! My wife is really nervous that we won’t be able to get my daughter into school.”
If you’re for real how come you just posted now? How come you didn’t answer peoples’ questions who were trying to help you?
I have a hard time believing that you’re still for real -no one rejected a kid from school because they aren’t in Yeshiva/Kollel. I’m a long time Lakewood resident -so I know this for sure. They reject you for being too modern or not paying tuition.
Again do you have s/o to support you for the next ten years before you decide on Med school?
And why are you going to Touro now? Why not go to OCC first and then Touro? It’s cheaper and less time commuting. That’s what I did; amongst going to many other schools (the last part for the peanut gallery here).
playtime -“Poppa, let me be clearer.
My Shver is a Lawyer. He is encouraging me to go to Law school: he will pay the tuition, and let me join his firm (very large and reputable firm). Hence, I don’t have the problems that many have.”
I’m not in the legal field, but I have friends who are. You don’t have the problems of those legal students and/or lawyers above. Ignore what they said. You have a job at the end, not like them.
You can get a degree from Rutgers with BTL and if you’re in NY some say Fordham.
“My question is,
How do I know I can handle the workload?
And how do I know I can make it through with decent grades?”
Your real question is can I be lazy and still make decent grades to pass like I’ve done in Yeshiva?
And the answer is No. You will actually have to buckle down and work. Knowing this – most Yeshiva guys do fine.
Also, it helps Yeshiva guys to take English courses beforehand either in a college or outside of one.
monday night cholent -“Health, I’m not sure you corrected any misconceptions. I am sure there are some good PA’s out there, but I have been to some and I was not impressed. And once someone thinks about it, you cant compare a Dr to a Pa. One has a minimum of 7 years of training, the other 2 and 1/2.”
Well let me correct you again. Btw, I don’t know if you have any medical education -if you do then we can get into more detail.
You are correct in the difference in educations -PA’s and NP’s have much less education than physicians.
But that doesn’t translate into reality.
This isn’t my personal opinion, but I heard this from a top ID specialist. The avg. Doctor is just that -average. There are two types of PA’s -some below avg. and some above avg., when compared to Docs. The split is somewhere in the middle from the whole group. Some PA’s are just acting like nurses. OTOH, I’ve, IMHO, have found very few NP’s above avg., most are usually below.
MediumThinker -“to chime in with his/her’s expertise”
Smells like sarcasm, but anyway it’s a him.
“Ii is quite fascinating. endotoxins during an infection causes your body to produce cytokines (il-1, il-6 etc.)”
I guess the “etc.” includes TNF-alpha, but this is not important for the general public. What is important is that there are two types of pyrogens -exogenous & endogenous. Cytokines are from the endogenous (comes from inside the body) and infections are from the exogenous (comes from outside the body). Both can cause fever.
The main thing with s/o who is sick is Not their temp., but how they look and act. If they look sick -then they are until proven otherwise.
Also, any fever over 103.6 degrees (39.8 Celcius) should probably take fever-reducing pills and seek medical care, not necessarily in a ER, but by your PCP, unless it’s obvious that the person has something like a cold. Also, if they have serious S & S (eg. not alert/responding, diff. breathing, dehydrated, chest pain, etc.) then they should go to an ER or call 911.
simcha613 -“I don’t understand the logic in using different types of medications to reduce fever. Isn’t fever part of the body’s natural defense system to fight disease? Why are we trying to turn off the system that G-d created?”
You make a good point.
From the Merck Manual (not the whole article) (which btw I own a copy):
“Treatment of fever:
Specific causes are treated with anti-infective therapy; empiric anti-infective therapy is required when suspicion of serious infection is high.
Whether fever due to infection should be treated with antipyretics is controversial. Experimental evidence, but not clinical studies, suggests that fever enhances host defenses.
Fever should probably be treated in certain patients at particular risk, including adults with cardiac or pulmonary insufficiency or with dementia. Drugs that inhibit brain cyclooxygenase effectively reduce fever:”
Tylenol, Aspirin, Ibuprofen, Aleve, etc.
So basically only in some people or if it goes too high will the fever in itself be dangerouus & should be treated. The main reason people grab the pill bottle is because fever usually accompanies fatigue, chills, sweats, etc. and popping a pill makes people feel better – creature comfort. I’m just like e/o else -the pill makes me feel better so I pop ’em.
MediumThinker -“I just finished second year medical school in an MD program. I went to Touro for undergrad. I got a 35+ on my MCAT and it was still not simple to get into an MD program. If you want to talk to me ask the moderators how you can email me.”
Actually you are just starting medicine. Third year is where med school starts becoming the real deal. So if you have any questions or need any pointers – post right here on YWN and I’ll fill you in.
WIY -“When does the voting begin?”
Right now. I vote this whole topic is full of baloney. Some troll decided to have a good time with an interesting topic. Some people can’t stop posting their opinions on everything, including me. ;0
At least I got to correct a lot of misconceptions about medical practioners.
monday night cholent -“Last time I checked, it was only Drs who practiced medicine”
Time to check again. In the good ole US of A, there are a lot more than the list I mentioned. In certain states psychologists can prescribe medicine and they don’t have medical degrees.
While PA’s, NP’s and paramedics usually in most states need a MD or a DO on top of them – this doesn’t mean they don’t practice medicine, it just means, most of the time, another signature at the bottom of the paper in the report.
distracted -“What is the difference between having a male nurse and a male doctor?”
A nurse doesn’t practice Medicine. The only ones who do are NP’s (advanced Nurse training), PA’s and Doctors.
Toi -“health- no no, its toiv.”
You missed my point Toiv, or I mean Toi.
WIY -“I either believe they are stupid and naive, in which case I can’t trust anything they say anymore or I believe that they are purposely covering something up because they somehow perceive that it is for the greater good of the Jewish community. Theres no good, its just a lesser of 2 evils. Id rather believe the 2nd because it makes some sense even if its wrong and crooked and still allows me to not write them off as fools.”
Actually it’s a combination of the two. Except for maybe one or two Rabbis they didn’t believe the guy to be guilty. Now after the admission, most probably believe he is guilty, but you won’t hear anything about what happened to the victims’ family from them.
See No evil, hear No evil, speak No evil. It’s funny how they don’t practice this except when it’s convenient, like after the guilty plea!
Toi -“toiv shebirofim bigehenom.”
Are you sure it’s Toiv maybe it’s Toi?
frumscientist -“Am I crazy? Does anyone know people who have done something similar?”
The only way you can do this if your parents and/or in-laws will support you for the next ten years.
verapoi yerapei -“and write soul: Touro has 2 medical schools in the mortheast and two on the west coast. I am in their medical school”
I’m just curious -which school are you in and where in the country -East or West – the DO school in Harlem or the Med School they just bought out of NYC?
ubiquitin -“first of all you have to consider whether you are willing to relocate. Especially With a degree from touro you have to be open to the possibility of medical school in Chaifa/Tel aviv or at the very least not in the tri state area. Also do not overlook DO schools.
If you would not CONSIDER moving from the tri-state area. I would reccomend against pursuing medical school”
This is Not reality.
Vogue -“Plus, my mom just spoke to my primary doctor and they said there is no reason for me to get an epi pen.”
Is he/she basing this on his/her medical opinion or because he/she wants to please your mom? I honestly don’t know if you need one, but you could ask the opinion of another allergy Doc.
A war story – I was training in the hospital and a 20 yo girl died from anaphylaxis. She was with friends and ate something she was allegic to – like a peanut (hidden in something like a candy bar) -the friends tried to do CPR (She might have had her pen on her, but her friends didn’t know how to use it, if I remember correctly) and called EMS and brought her to the hospital. That hospital wasn’t too good. The family and their friends transfered her to the ICU in the hospital where I was at, but it was too late – all we could do was watch her die.
WIY – Yes.
chalilavchas -“Please correct me if Im wrong, but afaik the signed horrible accusation against the family involved one Rabbi.”
I’m assuming you’re talking about the Rabbi from NY who works for the OU?
Well FYI, I just spoke to a friend at the end of last week and he told me that the Rov of the Shul where the perp & his family Davens got up in front of his congregration (hundreds of people) and said the victim made the whole thing up and there isn’t a shred of truth to it.
Bar Shattya -“Even better, marry them.”
Or even better marry s/o in the medical field who has access to meds.
truthsharer -“It’s the entire rabbinate at stake here. If people know that their leaders act like this, they will not seek counsel, will not seek answers to questions and ultimately will just go off on their own.”
It’s not just a matter of Not going to them to seek advice – the question is now if they come out with some Kol Korays -how do you know listening to it is the right thing? Maybe Shev V’al Tasheh is better?
Vogue -“Right but my mom doesn’t believe I need an epi pen”
Unless your Mom is a med prof, she isn’t called a second opinion. Go to a different allergist Doc and if he/she says you don’t need it – then by all means you can take the second guy’s/gal’s opinion.
It’s covered by insurance -if you have insurance.
nem621 -“i am not sure what is better i personally believe that one can take something he himself said as it is is his personal honor but an institution like beis din should not because this is not personal honor it is rather the kovod of torah”
I see people from the Hamon Am are starting to wake up like you Sir. Never saw your SN before. I’m sure these type of things, or similar, you have never been exposed to before, not like me. To set you straight we’re Not talking about some money -we’re talking about peoples’ lives. I’m not going to go on a tirade right now, but who gave these Bottey Dinim of 3 or Rosh Hayeshivos or Gedolim any Torah right in the first place even to give an opinion (No B’D of 23)? But let’s say they can get involved because there is noone else, why would you think that it’s excusable to do what they did? I’m not even sure if the Bais Din of 23, once upon a time, would not even get punished for this and you’re excusing this behavior – why – because it’s PC, or for a different reason?
There are good and bad in every specialty, but chiropractors seem to have more quacks than others. Be very careful who you choose. Adjusting a pt. is not always benign.
Vogue -“possible food allergy”
Well, I don’t know if the Doc is right about what you’re allergic to, but if you’re allergic to something – it’s a good idea to have the Epi pen. You can go to another Doc to be retested on what you’re allergic to.
Let’s say you’re allergic to peanuts and by accident you ingest one and all of a sudden you feel faint and start having trouble breathing -now is the time to use the Epi pen. This will buy you enough time to get to a hospital or have EMS get to you.
yichusdik -“Health, he is not a scapegoat, but a prominent part of the problem.”
Like I posted previously, if he is part of the problem, then he must be dealt with.
“Additionally, There were 9 local Lakewood rabbis who signed a a statement about it who are also part of the problem, and there is one godol / manhig from Israel (of a very high stature in the Yeshivish world) who we all know of who got involved against the family of the victim. There is no accountability among these Lakewood leaders. There is no one in Lakewood who will stand up to them, because they are all afraid of being shunned, harassed, and driven out of the community.”
There is accountability, but maybe not in this world. It’s time for them to have accountability in this world too. I’m not afraid to stand up because they have done all that you mentioned -to me already, indirectly. I’m sure the real big Godol is just fooled by them. I’m willing to reveal to him the truth but it will take a few of us to stand up for the truth. Mee La’shem Aily?
mir -“Or the time i knocked on the door to the bathroom and opened it cuz no one answered and some guy was sitting there?! I could go on and on…”
He should be embarrassed, not you. How come some people never lock the door in bathrooms?
chalilavchas -“Please correct me if Im wrong, but afaik the signed horrible accusation against the family involved one Rabbi.”
I honestly don’t remember who signed what. Read my latest post to Yichusdik. Even if this Rov was from the leaders/instigators in this case, in which case he deserves castigation, he for sure wasn’t the only one. He has no power here in Lakewood and it was some Lakewood Rabbonim/Askonim that went after the victim and his family. Only these people have/had the power to make the father lose his job and have their kids removed from school. Like I said don’t make this guy the scapegoat and let the others get away with this.
yichusdik -“Health – that is not the case with this Posek, who came to the same conclusion years earlier about a relative of this accused who also ultimately admitted to his crimes.”
Unfortunately, in the other case, lots of people, Rabbis and regular people, still believe that guy is innocent.
Look, are you saying this Rov is Nogieah to this family or just is against the idea of reporting molesters in general?
But either way -you must be absolutely sure this was his own idea in this case before you try to bury him. If he was just following the crowd -he doesn’t deserve to be buried as much as the instigators.
chalilavchas -“Surrrre. I can picture many Rabbonim standing around the above described Rabbi and forcing/threatening him to compose, sign and oversee distribution of the letter which incriminates the family of the victim. And the Rabbi complied.”
That’s not what I meant, but I actually have heard things like that before.
What I meant was – a few decided that the perp must not be guilty and the problem lies with the victim and his family. These few claimed they “know” this to be the case and other Rabbis followed their lead. While I don’t know this to be for sure in this case -I’m assuming it to be because of my knowledge of their individual personalities.
Syag Lchochma -“Try tochacha. Try encouraging someone to be metaken his harsher side. Try asking someone to be kinder in his online conversations. You get it all the time from so many posters and yet you think it’s just me and it’s nekama? Wow.”
Attacking s/o about a post that was not refering to anyone in particular is Nekama, not Tochacha. Stop deciding that everything I post is wrong because you have it in for me.
“Wow” -Does this mean you belong to the group of Womem of the Wall?
benignuman -“The Rama says that some say that she should still not remain without a man because people will be choshed her. The Be’er Heitiv says for a woman getting married is a reshus, and this Rama is based on eitza tova.”
It doesn’t seem we Pasken like this B’H because of the Piskey Teshuva there. Look it up. Also R’ Aikva Eiger gives a Teretz to the Rambam so there is No Raya and the Halacha from the Rema that it’s a Chiyuv D’rabbonim will remain.
gefen -“Also Health has a history of…shall we say…. not being so nice (to put it mildly).”
It seems you and Syag never heard of something called Nekama. Are you two related?
The statement was made regarding Shidduchim and older women w/o anyone particular in mind. I stand by my statement. If you want to argue how about bringing some proof?
I don’t like the fact that he negates smoking as an issue because it’s down to 10%. I doubt it was ever higher and it’s just as big a prob as drinking.
benignuman -“The previous topic is long and I do not have the patience to comb through it to find where the S”A says a woman has a chiyuv to get married. It isn’t in the first siman in Even HaEzer (where a man’s chiyuv is brought down).”
From that topic:
“You were wrong before and you’re still wrong. Women are “Mechuyavot”!
From Shulchan Aruch – Even Haezer – 1:13.”
“As far as a I know the Gemara does not define Zakein and Yalda in this context. The pashtus is that a person should marry someone like them so to avoid discord in their home (see Rashi to Yevamos 106b that I cited above).”
That’s your mistake in they way you’re learning up the Gemorras.
Also from that topic:
“This statement is totally farfetched. No where does the S’A even come close to saying this. Like I previously posted the S’A is very specific what type of potentional husband you can deny yourself from marrying. Sorry, an ill advised marriage isn’t one of them (age gap). As a matter of fact, the S’A uses a totally different reason for Zakain and Yalda, the reason is because of Zenus. If the S’A agreed with you about ill advised marriage, why pick on Zakain and Yalda, any age gap like a 20 y.o. to a 40 y.o. would suffice? And most importantly, why come up with a new reason of Zenus, just quote the Braisa in Yevamos that says age gap can cause Ketotoh. So it’s obvious the S’A didn’t hold your Putter because the marriage is ill advised.”
There is even more there. Why ask Kashas on me when I most probably already dealt with them?