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MCP -“Apukerma, you can feel free to wait for a Navi or Bas Kol while people around you are targeted by the Arabs to be shot or blown up. This is not a milchemes rishus. This is self defense.”
Even if we would grant you that it’s self defense, why should Charedim have to be drafted? The Zionists started and want a Medina, so let them fight for it. Why should the Charedim have to defend it along with them? Those that started it -should defend it. All of a sudden we are in the same boat -so we must “Share the burden”. We didn’t join this boat because we wanted to.
And even if we would have done this willingly -we still wouldn’t have to go to the army because the Torah says that those who keep the Torah have Sholom. So the reason there is No Sholom with the Goyim is because Jews don’t keep the Torah – Namely the Chilonim!
HealthParticipantNaftush -“Akuperma, for my edification — please quote one Zionist who “demanded the expulsion or subjucation [sic] of the Arabs.””
Ever hear of the Kach Party or whatever they call themselves now due to the outlawing of Kach?
HealthParticipantOOmis – How is the Choleh doing? How did the procedure go? RS
HealthParticipanteinfal – You can scream basic Judaism from today to tomorrow to these Zionists, even the so-called Religious ones -they ain’t listening!
I’ve been fighting with these guys for years and they still believe their propaganda, no matter what logic against them you present. They quote Pesukim from the Torah just like the Tzidokim, without the understanding of Chazal.
And btw, you never see them quote the Posuk of “Im Bechukosi”, where the Torah says clearly that you’ll never need to fight and thereby need an army if the Klal learns and keeps the Torah!
HealthParticipantCuriosity -“Health. I disagree. That makes a human being’s life intrinsically more worthy than that of an animal’s. I did not say more “deserving,” only more inherently worthy.”
Ya’see what you did was call him out on something when he was correct. Instead of admitting you’re wrong -you start with mind games. NOONE was talking about “intrinsically more worth”.
His quote:
“In most cases a human life in more valuable (exceptions would be various stripes of y’mach shemom),”
This is correct.
Your post:
“Curiosity – BTGuy-
I’m sorry, but your statements are not in line with Torah thought.”
He didn’t talk about “intrinsically more worth”, so his statements are in line with the Torah!
HealthParticipantjewishfeminist02 -“There is no such thing as “becoming like this” at age 40. Most gay people will tell you that they always “knew” they were gay from the age of five, or twelve, or fifteen or whatever, but that they tried to suppress it. Those who “come out of the closet” at age 40 have been hiding in it for decades.”
I’m sorry that the truth doesn’t jive with the liberal propaganda. What I posted before wasn’t something I read -it’s something I know. I know people who became like this and they weren’t anything like in the closet beforehand. So what it is basically – people aren’t born with this -it’s a Taiva. The question why young kids develop such a Taiva probably has to do with their environment, like their parents.
HealthParticipantSam2 -“Health: It’s not an Issur Yichud. It’s just an Eitzah Tovah to avoid Yichud.”
Time to Chazer S’A. EH 24 says where there are Prizim you should be Marchik and the Gra says because the only Heter is because we aren’t Choshet.
So in this guy’s case it’s Not a Chumra but an Issur.
HealthParticipant2scents -“such as making havdala shabbos morning? the ‘Rabbi’ lights the Havdala and then dips into the wine.”
Are you sure this was conservative? Sounds more like Reform.
I know the Reform fast on Yom Kipper and Daven and then around 2PM they make Havdallah and then they go home and eat because the day is over.
HealthParticipantadams -“I don’t know that there is actual evidence that he was being beaten down,”
Yes, there is evidence – namely his (Zim’s) injuries. And although anything is possible -99.9% those injuries are Not self-inflicted.
The case against him is basically hearsay. Because even if Martin did scream whatever they claim he did or whatever they claim he told the girl on the phone doesn’t mean this was actually happening -for all you know Martin was playing it up to anybody listening. So IMHO the only direct evidence is from Zim, but the trial isn’t over yet.
HealthParticipantCuriosity -“I’m sorry, but your statements are not in line with Torah thought.”
Actually your line isn’t in jist with the Torah, as I’ll explain. I did somewhat agree with your OP, but now you’re getting out of line.
“As difficult as it is to understand, even the most vile, lowlife “yemach shmo” is intrinsically worth more than a boat full of the largest, rarest, and most magnificent of animals.”
You see clearly not like that from Parshas Noach. While Hashem had to destroy most of the animals because some say they were Mushpah from the humans, clearly he felt it important to save every kind of his animals and even more Tahor animals than all the Reshayim then.
“their purpose in being created is no different than that of a carrot’s.”
This statement is ridiculous. You don’t have to have Rachmonus on a carrot, but you do on animals -even more than just Tzar Baalei Chaim. There is a Maseh in the Gemorra where Rebbi (I think) didn’t have mercy on a cow and was punished until he showed mercy on cats (or Chuldas/weasels).
HealthParticipantadams -“From a frum perspective, the gay person if they are from the Orthodox community, should make efforts to change the behavior, (or attraction?) but what should they do if they cannot win that battle?”
Then they aren’t Frum anymore!
“I can see them being pressured in shidduchim and having a problem. I am assuming that most of these folks are in the closet. So in a way, it would be better to let them be out of the closet thereby not forcing them in the normative Shidduchim parsha.”
Pressure and forcing are two different things. If s/o doesn’t like people of the opposite gender -they shouldn’t marry until, if they can, work out their issues.
“I have heard of a couple of such folks who do not engage in actual act of prohibited but simply prefer their company.
I don’t say I have proof that this is so but from what I read they are genuine Ye’ras Shomayim oriented.”
This to me is a Chiddush, but if it’s true -these are the minority.
Most Frum people that I know that became this way -aren’t what you call Frum anymore.
“Would there in fact be an Avairah, if they lived withhout that particular act?”
I’m not a Poisek, but I think the S’A says the Issur of Yichud would apply.
HealthParticipantjewishfeminist02 -“You only explained why we don’t eat dog. You didn’t explain why we do eat chicken.”
When I get tired of HOT DOGS, burgers, steak – I eat chicken.
I like chicken and other meats. Why do you eat veggies?
As long as you eat meat in moderation -so not to eat too much cholesterol.
HealthParticipantJF02 -“understood why people make arbitrary distinctions among animals, e.g. dogs are our friends but chickens are our dinner.”
That’s Not true. Many places in the world Dog is on the menu.
I personally don’t eat Dog because it’s Not kosher. But I wonder what it would be like to eat a Hot Dog!
HealthParticipantjewishfeminist02 -“She looked at photos taken immediately after the incident.”
So you’re contending that looking at the photos alone is just like being there? If a medical professional would be examining the pt. at that time -there is no way to tell whether the pt. had significant injuries or not. The only way to tell that this pt. doesn’t have bleeding in the brain is with a Cat scan. The only way this ME knows there was no significant injuries is due to the fact Zim is standing here alive and healthy. So her medical opinion is based on that fact -so she can state that the injuries are not significant. So since No medical professional seeing the pt. at that time would claim the injuries aren’t significant, in essence claiming that now by seeing some pictures is a lie because it’s not based on medical opinion at the time of injury, just the fact of his health now!
Hopefully the Jury won’t be fooled like you were. Her testimony is not worth a plumb nickle.
And btw, she admitted this -from the News:
The Gov. and their prosecuters have made a mockery of Justice from the beginning and are continuing to make a mockery during the trial. This is outrageous.
HealthParticipantjewishfeminist02 -“This is absolute nonsense. Even in states where gay marriage is prohibited, there are many gay couples who have lived together for decades and consider themselves to be “married” even if the state doesn’t. They’re no more likely to break up than they would be with an official marriage license.”
Just as much nonsense as Not allowing polygamy, except polygamy is a crime, not like Toeiva. And your argument will apply to polygamy also.
“because homosexuality is biological.”
So when s/o starts becoming like this at 40 -where were they all these years? Late bloomers – huh?
“No straight woman in her right mind would ever want to be married to a gay man.”
But there are Toeivaniks that have split loyalties and these were forced out of the pool by the Court ruling.
HealthParticipantjewishfeminist02 -“1) I’m not a “lib”. 2) I’m not trying to be “PC”.”
I don’t know what you are in person, but your posts sure are.
“but she offered her professional opinion based on photos of his injuries. It’s just like if you were to show a carpenter some photos of a bookcase.”
On which photo did she give her “expert” opinion on? The fact that you compare this to damaged bookcases is ridiculous. The bookcase doesn’t change from minute to minute, while injuries do.
This is an attempt, without any real expertise testimony, to paint Zim as a liar. Perhaps you can fool people like you, but I and most medical professionals would never give an expert opinion without actually seeing the pt.
HealthParticipantyytz -“I don’t think so. The Lawrence court emphasized the fact that the sodomy was consensual.”
So now are the courts gonna say that polygamy is Not consensual?
Hypocrisy at its’ finest. Is there a way to impeach Judges? I think the Courts have erased the morality that was founded by the forefathers with their decisions of abortion and Pro-Toeiva.
The forefathers are turning over in their graves how these people have manipulated their constitution to allow all this immorality.
HealthParticipantrd -“Racist vigilante groups are a danger in our midst. Too many civilians like playing cops, whether it’s Zimmerman or the Shomrim. My guess would be that frum people who defend Zimmerman are the same types who defended Werdesheim. One case, granted, involved assault, and the other murder, but the same, underlying attitude of racism and white privilege is at play in both cases. It saddens me, since warm ties between the Jewish and African American communities is something I always valued”
I’m not going to argue about vigilantism -some of these members are and some Not. I’m all for having good relations with Goyim, but not at the expense of civil rights. Yes, that’s right – Jews and white Goyim are entitled to Civil Rights!
What should sadden you is that in order to be PC -you follow the liberal train of thought. If you read up on the case of Werdesheim -it was clearly self-defense in spite of his guilty verdict. And it’s funny how you call Martin’s death “murder” even before found guilty in a court of law. Murder is a legal definition, not like the use of killed. Don’t you believe in innocent until proven guilty? Or is this only for groups that you like/favor?
HealthParticipantjewishfeminist02 -“A medical examiner testified that Zimmerman’s injuries were “very insignificant”.”
Unfortunately for you and all the libs who want so badly to be PC, no matter how you trump others’ rights, this is in the news today. It’s all over the news that this ME is probably lying considering that she never examined George or Martin!
HealthParticipantSam2 -“The oils are almost never actually Treif. I’ve actually looked at them at places like that (amusement parks and such) and I’ve seen OUs on the oils all the time. But you never have a guarantee that the machine is Kosher and therefore can’t use it. The workers don’t have the Ne’emanus necessary to render the popcorn Kosher.”
Ya’know I used to think like you, not just with popcorn, but also where they just make French Fries, until I passed one of these stands and saw an empty box of lard in the garbage. They switch the stuff what they fry/cook in all the time. It just depends what stuff is cheaper when they are ready to buy their next container.
HealthParticipantyytz -“The analogy to bestiality is absurd, and it’s counterproductive to even bring it up.”
Actually the legal analysis is the same. It just makes people uncomfortable, but PBA’s legal analysis on this subject is correct.
“The reasons given will probably be that polygamy potentially harms women and harms men by reducing the pool of mates.”
Oh really? And how does allowing Toeiva marriage not harm those seeking mates? Marriage is more of a commitment, but before this even if they were Toeiva prone these relationships could and would end and the possibility of becoming straight again is much more likely than once there is legal marriage. Anyone can think up a million differences between anything that they want, but does it pass the test of logic? And the biggest proof that these differences aren’t logical is because the Torah says one is Ok and the other is Not, even for Goyim. If the 7 Mitzvos Bnai Noach weren’t logical, Hashem could never hold them responsible to keep them!
HealthParticipantSam2 -“The whole trial is ridiculous. It’s only to placate a massive mob. There is no grounds for a trial at all here. The fact that he was arrested was a disgrace to the justice system.”
I agree. What happens in a case like this is if a party claims self-defense and has the wounds to prove it -there is no arrest in the first place. S/o high up in the Gov. is playing race baiting games. Remember how s/o fed the media that Zimmerman had no injuries and was lying? The fact that an innocent man has to defend himself on these charges in the first place is a blemish on our Justice system.
HealthParticipantbenignuman -“If, as the Supreme Court held, moral disapproval is not a valid basis for prohibiting something, then it is very hard to justify why bestiality, poygamy and incest (where both parties are adults) can be prohibited. The other reasons given for prohibiting those acts, like those regarding mishkav zachor, do not hold up to an serious scrutiny.”
Yes, this was my point. The defenders of Toeiva marriage here, namely, “heretohelp” & “jewishfeminist02”, can only bring a defense for bestiality, but they have no argument why polygamy is illegal. To me, many of our Gov. and many of the pop. have no problem putting polaygamists in jail, but OTOH they scream civil rights, not just Not to put Toeivaniks in jail, but they must have legal marriage too!?! This is a case of if you’re an Achzor (mean) when you should have Rachmonus (mercy), like on people marrying more than one woman, then you end up having mercy where you should be an Achzor, like by Toeiva!
HealthParticipantheretohelp -“The people who originally brought the case, the toevaniks, had standing because they were injured by the law, whether or not the law is a good idea or not.”
Why do you keep saying I don’t understand their decision, just because you don’t understand my point?
I’ll quote my point from above:
“It’s not discrimination saying one type of cohabitation is Not considered marriage, unless you’ll agree that illegalizing marriage to an animal is also discrimination.”
You see Prop 8 is no more discriminatory than the law saying a human can’t marry an animal, unless you will tell me that the Federal Judge would allow such a case to proceed and find the law unconstitutional. There is no difference between the two cases. The only reason this case was considered and found to be unconstitutional was because of PC. It has nothing to do with law. And the Supreme Court did the exact same thing. This is a classic example of legislating from the bench.
HealthParticipantgolfer -“No idea what makes Health think women are obligated to leave their homes & work. Didn’t see that anywhere in my Kesuba.”
Sorry, not every Halacha is in the Kesuba. Look in the Gemmora, Rambam and Shulchan Aruch and then come back.
HealthParticipantoomis -“Health, with all due respect – There is a chiyuv for a woman to be the akeres habayis, to raise the next generation of Torah-observant Jews, and to be an eizer k’negdo for ehr husband. That does not mean they have a chiyuv to do both their own job AND his. And if for whatever reason it seems you don’t feel that what a Stay at Home Wife/Mom does is work, you have no clue about how much harder it is, than to be out in the workforce.”
Your post touches on many issues and some aren’t related. I wasn’t talking about Kollel vs. Non-kollel. Yes, there is a Chiyuv for a woman to work, no matter what the husband does.
“I do however, agree with your point that there is little parnassah in the home, hence they often need to go out to work to get PAID. But don’t try to find a Gemorah that APPLAUDS a woman neglecting her home responsibilities.”
They aren’t allowed to trade one for another. A woman has both responsibilities.
“Our grandkdis are being raised by nannies, more often than not NON-Jewish ones. That cannot be a GOOD thing.”
This is wrong to hire Goyim! Here in Lakewood, almost e/o has Frum babysitters, whether in their own home or elsewhere.
HealthParticipantheretohelp -“Health, your posts are devoid of any knowledge of legal or constitutional principles.”
And what authority are you to make such a statement?
“To address just to of your points-“
To is with a “W” – Two. And the second point was Not mine!
“Why did the toevaniks that brought the case have standing? In the California case, the case was not brought by Toevaniks. It was brought by people who just didn’t like that the law was overturned by the district court.”
Also, even if you’re a lawyer and know law better – you forgot something called the “Facts” or “Truth”.
The original case against the law was brought by Toeivaniks, not the State Gov. and this was the point I was making. So go back and read all my posts again.
HealthParticipantsimcha613 -“I’ve always had an issue with women working in order to support their husbands in learning. Women ideally aren’t supposed to work. They’re supposed to be full time mothers.”
I’m not objecting to your post because of your opinion on Kollel. I personally think going into Kollel should Not be based on PC, which it is nowadays.
The point I want to make is that there is a Chiyuv for women to work. (I’m not going to quote all the Gemmoras -look them up.)Once upon a time they could do this from out of the home. Nowadays most can’t find Parnossa working out of the home – so they have to Go Out to work.
HealthParticipantjewishfeminist02 -“And guess what– it doesn’t really encourage toeivah (although it does validate it).”
This is another liberal fallacy. Unfortunately, even in the Frum community, people are influenced by Toeivaniks. The stronger they become the more influence they have. S/o who wants to live a religious life but then sees the power that these people have -now throws off their religion. And I personally know people like this.
HealthParticipantZD -“The California Prop 8 wasnt decided at all, they just decided they litigants didnt have legal standing as was ruled by a lower court. Again dont like the law take it up with Sacramento or make another citizen prop”
And why did the Toeivaniks who brought the case in the first place have any legal standing? The State should have brought the case because Prop 8 overruled what the State Gov. passed previously as law. If an individual(s) can bring the case in the first place – then individual(s) can appeal it. It’s not discrimination saying one type of cohabitation is Not considered marriage, unless you’ll agree that illegalizing marriage to an animal is also discrimination. Your desire to be PC can’t see the way things really are.
HealthParticipantMR -“DOMA is dead. Thank Gd the world is finally opening their eyes and we are truly paving the way for equality”.”
Just another proof that MO and/or being on FB is Not consistent with the Jewish Frum religion.
Oh btw, who are they refering to by “Thank G-d”?
They must be like Pharoh and many others who considered themselves deities!
HealthParticipantSam -“Health: I thought the most recent polls said the majority of Americans are against DOMA.”
I have no idea what poll you’re talking about. The real poll was that the people of California passed Prop 8. I’m sorry that you’re in denial about this Court ruling.
HealthParticipantHaKatan -“Here is a small part of the OU’s statement:
“Ultimately, decisions on social policy remain with the democratic process, and today the process has spoken and we accord the process and its result the utmost respect.”
For example, what if the “democratic process” decided that “social policy” requires all men, women and children to be michalel Shabbos and to disallow Bris Mila until the child becomes an adult and chooses then whether or not he wants a bris?”
Not only wasn’t their statement perfect -it was based on PC. And you argued based from a religious standpoint. This isn’t just wrong from a religious POV. The Supreme Court had no legal basis to say that the litigants were not allowed to appeal this decision – anymore than the original Toeivaniks had the legal right to bring the case in the first place.
As an American who believes in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, I, with other straight people have just had our rights destroyed by the militant Toeivaniks and all the branches of Gov.
This in No way is Democracy or “Democratic Process”.
HealthParticipantSam2 -“147: And what do you say back when the politician says, “That’s nice for you, but I don’t beliebe in God”?”
I will be concise in my answer. Didn’t you learn in college?
Well in college there is a course called “Moral philosophy”.
The basis of our laws have to do with morality and yes, you can have morals even without a belief in G-d. What has happened here with Toeiva is that the Gov. whether it is the State like California or the Feds have pushed their liberal beliefs on society. They have pushed liberalism, because they want to be PC, against the will of the people. This is the epitome of the opposite of what Democracy is! In essence the Gov. have pushed legalizing killing or any law that until now is illegal on the rest of us, because legalizing the law was PC.
But I’m just curious Sam, where did you pick up this liberal lie that the Pro-Toeivas claim in their arguments?
HealthParticipantI honestly don’t know how this topic turned into -Yes Kollel – No Kollel. I personally think there are people that should learn in Kollel long time and some Not at all. The fact that noone (or very few) here can see this is gray area, not just black & white, questions the intelligence of these posters.
I actually want to discuss the Topic started by the OP.
I did find by some, in the many years that I was in Yeshiva, that some, Not all, had a superior attitude to those who were Baal Habattim. There weren’t a lot like this, but it did exist.
Some had this attitude and would refer to working people as “Farshtunkene Baal Habuss”.
HealthParticipantBen Levi -“Health, Come’ on you obviously did’nt get the point of my post!”
Actually, you missed my point! There aren’t any real medical professionals that are against vaccinations. The few ones that are, with real medical degrees, is because they are bias in some way. So stop with -“It’s a Machlokes”. Even if there would be a real Machlokes, Rov say to vaccinate!
HealthParticipantfrumnotyeshivish -“In this case, if the only abuse of the children is not vaccinating, an easier solution than taking away the children permanently would be to just take them away for 20 minutes,vaccinate them, and give them back.
There is no evidence of any other abuse or neglect besides not vaccinating.”
If you read my post I was talking only about this poster who has magical thinking, not other parents who don’t vaccinate.
When you have magical thinking -you put your kids’ lives on the line. To give an example, if the parents who can’t think straight see their kid Ch’vs semi-consious, they will say “Oh, the kid is just sleeping funny” and Not seek emergency care. If you think I’m being absurd, as you know I’m in the medical field (whether you believe it or not), and awhile ago I saw a MD do exactly that. He saw a child semi-conscious and asked the parent if the child always sleeps like that. Needless to say, there wasn’t a good outcome. If I could have done something at that time, I would have, but I was just an innocent bystander.
HealthParticipantBen Levi -“I personally feel that since there are Dr.s with medical degrees that are wary of vaccines people have a full right not to take them.”
Ok, before you continue with your whole post – name MD’s that are anti-vaccines and have absolutely No bias!
HealthParticipantfrumnotyeshivish -“Chance, because you believe you are acting in the best interest of your children you are not worse than a pedophile,”
On this previous part your apology is warranted.
“and your children should not be taken away from you.”
No, you are wrong because she is much worse than the regular person who doesn’t vaccinate. The regular person who doesn’t give shots is because they are ignorant, which in our community can be corrected by education, possibly through Rabbonim. But the amount of research this person has put in should know better. She looked at all the research, but still she twists the truth to her agenda. Such a person is a danger to her children and others who might believe her.
HealthParticipantchance -“Why don’t you check the National cancer institute website, on formaldehyde and cancer. They clearly state that formaldehyde is causing several cancers including leukemia. Well , you child get formaldehyde injected into them every time they get a vaccine, do you wonder why so many children have cancer?”
Now since when does 1 + 1 = 3? You make up your own conclusions and then you want people to take you seriously?
Unfortunately you are influencing others with your wacked out theories.
This is from Children’s Hospital of Phila’s website:
“The average quantity of formaldehyde to which a young infant could be exposed at one time may be as high as 0.2 mg (see table below). This quantity of formaldehyde is considered to be safe for two reasons:
First, formaldehyde is essential in human metabolism and is required for the synthesis of DNA and amino acids (the building blocks of protein). Therefore, all humans have detectable quantities of natural formaldehyde in their circulation (about 2.5 ug of formaldehyde per ml of blood). Assuming an average weight of a 2-month-old of 5 kg and an average blood volume of 85 ml per kg, the total quantity of formaldehyde found in an infant’s circulation would be about 1.1 mg, a value at least five-fold greater than that to which an infant would be exposed in vaccines.
Second, quantities of formaldehyde at least 600 fold greater than that contained in vaccines have been given safely to animals.”
HealthParticipantChance -“And of course, they are causing most of the leukemia children are suffering with.”
I honestly don’t know how posters here take this person seriously. Her conspiracy theories go so far to blame leukemia on the medical providers. This reminds me of the theory spreading around a certain community where they blamed the Jewish Doctors for giving “their” babies AIDS.
HealthParticipanttruthsharer -“I really hope chance is a troll. Otherwise, it’s just too shocking.”
He/She isn’t. I’ve been arguing with this person for many years now. The danger is Not that there are these people out there -it’s that they influence others. This is why the Rabbonim have to speak out because these people have a knack of twisting logic with their conspiracy theories.
HealthParticipantnitpicker -“I would personally prefer everyone else to get vaccinated, so that I and my children won’t have to.”
Oh, we do, no matter what you do. And it won’t help you and your family because the diseases are still out there. Herd immunity is effective till a point. Smallpox isn’t being given as a vaccine anymore because the herd immunity has reached that point.
HealthParticipanttzaddiq -“i’m not against them and i’m not for, but how can some posters burst out with such boldness to call others rodfim and other such names”
This is the Torah POV, not mine. Yes, people have different opinions about everything, but the problem is when your decisions affect others. If you told me that you think that vaccines are harmful -so you are keeping V’nishmartem, and you won’t ever let the kid outside your house – so you aren’t a Rodef -then fine.
But that isn’t the case, is it?
So how come people who get the vaccine and those that still come down with the disease aren’t Rodfim? Because they did their Histadlus -so they don’t have to keep their kid home for the rest of their lives.
HealthParticipantGAW -“I agree that “the net” is not the only place, but it is one in which people can make a real difference.”
The only thing that will make a “real” difference in the community is if the Rabbonim get behind the issue. I’ve seen many problems in the Frum community due to ignorance. The way to stop ignorance is to educate them. People on the Net tend to be more educated than those who aren’t.
So how do you educate people Not on the Net, (due to Frumkeit)? You have the leaders educate them.
Just a few examples of ignorance that I’ve seen:
Not e/o in a car being buckled up.
People talking on cells during driving.
Not vaccinating children.
Not wearing helmets, or other protective gear, while bike riding or other sport activities.
Lack of basic fire & burn safety.
HealthParticipantMichael Jackson inspires me.
HealthParticipantrd -” It is a nice healthy, parve alternative to the much ballyhooed warm milk.”
So is this:
Celestial Seasonings’ Sleepytime Tea:
HealthParticipantGAW -“I believe with the recent (and ongoing) measles outbreak it is high time to have a frank discussion about vaccines and the Frum community.”
Unfortunately, you’re right, but the Net is Not the place. Almost e/o, except for a very few posters here – who will never be convinced anyways, have access to scientific knowledge and know better. I’m not saying we need an Asifa about this for the Non-internet users, but how about the Rabbonim mentioning it in their Shuls? Maybe even a Kol Koray?
IMHO, not vaccinating is Oiver the Issur of V’nishmartem and the parents are also Rodfim if the child comes down with a preventable disease because many of these diseases are contaigous before any obvious symptoms.
HealthParticipantVogue -“I havent been given any offers yet…”
You don’t need an offer to get a job as a cashier, cleaning lady, etc. Just go and apply.
HealthParticipantVogue -Take anything.
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