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To Common shaichel and The little i know:
I know this was done out of safety, it is the most safe place to spank. For little kids it was normal to get on the bottom over the pants both at home and in cheder, and in some homes and cheders even bigger kids. Regarding spanking on the raw skin i got once spanked like this at home as i mentioned before and it was very very effective and it is safe. I am sure that it is not acceptable for a melamed to spank a child on bare, but my question was if it is appropriate for parents. I think in the goyishe world where spanking is permitted they do it lecatchila on the bare.
The little i know:
You did not understand my question. I will also not disagree now about the limited use of corporal punishment, as i think it is needed but only rarely, as i wrote in one of my earlier posts. My question was about those times when it is indeed needed if it is appropiate to spank a child on that particular part of the body where you sit on, according with tznius etc.
On my question (for those who believe in some corporal punishment) if it is appropriate to spank on a child’s behind i did not get any answer
I think that it is nonsense to say that human nature changed and spanking no more effective, all modern studies are based on a wanted outcome and not on facts. Also i believe that the torah is nitschi and a passuk from shlomo hamelech is not just changed because modern day psychology, as our emuna in chidus haolam is not effected by modern day science
There is nothing more effective then petsh, and because it is so effective if it is given to often it loses the whole effectiveness.., so by a chet gadol there should be a good potching and by smaller things it can be suspension (or shoe confiscation if you like so much that idea..)
To Common Shaichel: You and your friends had more mazel then shaichel – what if the rebbe would notice that the petch does not hurt anymore and decide to just take down the pants before spanking ? then it would have hurt triple
This whole concept of consquences instead of punishment is a comes from the modern world where not punish children has become a religion. when you tell a child to put on a coat and he doesn’t he might learn from consquences to put on a coat nextime. However he did not learn to listen to his parents for the sake of it, our goal is not to make him put on a coat for life, it is rather teaching him to obey parents as kibud av vaem, and thats not achieved by qonsquences.
I was spanked at home only a handful of times, but one of them is realy memorable and had a big good effect on my behavior for years. I was close to 9 years old when i got 5 or 6 hard smacks on my backside on the bare skin, it took only a few seconds and i was realy crying. I just wonder if this method is appropriate according to tznius and derech hatora, all i can tell you it is very effective and safe. My question limited only to parents spanking their own kids.
I agree totaly with Shmily O Ongar
A yesiva can make strict policy about smoking
Personaly i think they should be very strict with smoking and more lenient with drinking but only on purim