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Also very respected in lubavitch – btw hes a genius
As far as I know He Doesn’t trim he’s beard
But who am I to know
Vos epes enemy? All jews are a part of g-d!
Btw this is way off topicMarch 24, 2019 10:54 pm at 10:54 pm in reply to: Chabad? Most non religious Jews are not halachikly Jewish. #1700456
Heimy maybe find out if you are takeh jewish maybe one of ur great grandparents were not jewish and only thought they were jewish for whatever reason so ur not jewish.
(All on ur mothers side 🙂 )
That’s what i understand from your question
Not sure what u mean but sounds good
Hilchos chometz umatza perek 7 halacha 2:
A father should teach his son according to the son’s knowledge: How is this applied? If the son is young or foolish, he should tell him: “My son, in Egypt, we were all slaves like this maidservant or this slave. On this night, the Holy One, Blessed be He, redeemed us and took us out to freedom.”
If the son is older and wise, he should inform him what happened to us in Egypt and the miracles wrought for us by Moses, our teacher; everything according to the son’s knowledge.
@lmt you’re mixing kashe mit borsht
99.9% of “gedolim” that have a prob. with chabad. say very clearly it’s only those that say lo meis.
None of them have a problem with the moshiach stuff
Just to name a few
R Herschel Schachter
R Nissin Kaplan
R Shmuel Kamenetsky
(so get your facts straight – btw in no way am I saying that i need them for proof, its just for u)
Now regarding the lo meis
Second of all we are on a totally diff topic as mentioned previously on this thread and was answered before
now you have a bunch of questions to answer from @chossid
You still didnt explain the 13 ikrim to say how we go against it – you just wrote that we go against it.
Btw according to you… You shouldn’t eat any food that have a major hechsher cuz allot of the mashgichim in the big hechsherim (especially when the plants are in random places) are lubavitcher which according to u is avoda zara and mistama chshash treif…
Before, u may have been talking logic now it’s just utter nonsense
“Problem difference with rebbes that doesn’t apply to Gedolim is that some chassidim push it too far and treat their Rebbe like a g-d. We won’t mention which kinds of chassidusis you can think about it and maybe you can figure it out on your own”
Where’d this come from?
It’s funny how every single thread end up with the same things and it comes from right field (rebitzen might argue and say left:)) .
did you really have to make this comment?
I was asking something totally diff. Which u happened to answer nicely in the first paragraph
pls explain the dif between a rebbe and a gadol
Why is one a middleman and one goes Directly to Hashem
Unless I misunderstood what you wroteMarch 19, 2019 10:51 pm at 10:51 pm in reply to: Nose bleed during kiddush on shabbos: use a cloth naplin or aleaf of lettuce? #1698892
Assuming your allowed.
what if you your walking down the st and find $100 and a piece of lettuce are you allowed to pick it up and bring it home so that you can have it just in case you get a nosebleed next week? Which one should you take?
(Obviously taking into consideration the carrying problem)
When the Rebbe Rayatz came to America, he launched his own Va’ad Hatzalah to save Chabad Yeshiva Bochurim, and after being approached by the Va’ad Hatzalah and promised that the Chabad Bochurim will be recipients of the funds, the Rebbe Rayatz closed his own Va’ad Hatzalah and told his donors to donate to the main Va’ad Hatzalah.
However, unbeknownst to the Rebbe Rayatz, the Va’ad Hatzalah, which was controlled by Rabbi Aharon Kotler and Rabbi Avraham Kalmanowitz (Rosh Yeshiva of Mir), made a policy to only help Bochurim of Litvische Yeshivos. They sent the money to Shanghai, addressed to Rabbi Meir Ashkenazi, with orders that the money be given to everyone aside for Chabad Rabbi Meir Ashkenazi did not heed their directions, and used part of the funds for the Chabad Yeshiva students, knowing that the funds were given by donors who wished that Chabad students enjoy it too.
When this was discovered, the Va’ad Hatzalah stopped sending money through Rabbi Ashkenazi, and instead sent it directly to the Mir Yeshiva stationed in Shanghai. As a result, Bochurim from Chabad Yeshiva, Amshinov Yeshiva and Yeshivas Chachmei Lublin were left to starve, and some of them died.
While this was going on, Rabbi Aharon Kotler called Rabbi Meir Ashkenazi to a Din Torah, asking for the funds that Rabbi Ashkenazi used for Chabad students during the war, and demanding he pay it back.
When the Din Torah took place, Rabbi Ashkenazi presented his claims to the Beis Din, and the Beis Din found that Rabbi Aharon Kotler actually owes money to Rabbi Ashkenazi for risking his life to get the money from the embassy which was extremely dangerous cuz it was illegal to send money from the u.s. to Japan due to the fact that they were in war at the time.
You can find letters online regarding what was happening at the time I will post a link in the next post
@rso you really never opened a gemora b4 cause ur arguing with even simple gemoro
Obviously it’s a hergesh. nowhere in halacha it says “the lubavicher rebbe is moshiach”
Rather based the criteria of moshiach we feel the rebbe fits this if you feel otherwise that’s ok (I think I said this a few times already and as long as no one is going against halacha I don’t see why anyone should care who we feel is moshiach)
If you thought it was a halacha. I’m sorry
Wow I’m impressed with you
You know how to distort history even better then Bryan Mark rigg
He at least quotes a whole story you on the other hand took a line from his book that works for you
Read page 168 in his book
Where he total disagrees with you
As I mentioned before if only you knew how much mesiras nefesh the 6th rebbe had you wouldn’t dare say such things
You’ll bring me proof from historians. That didnt find anything. Does that mean it didnt happen??
The making of a gadol has a very political agenda
Your only proof may have been from bryan Mark rigg but as I said you took 1 line from what he said
Rebitzen I think I disagree with you pls lookup facts before you speak
I dont think it can be any of your 2 candidates
“Widely thought to be the largest funeral attendance in history, 15 million people took to the streets of Chennai in memory of the former chief minister of Tamil Nadu, a southern Indian state”
א פרייליכען חנוכה
This is not my opinion nor is it necessarily the chabad opinion but I thought I might share something to clarify this whole meshichist/yechi thing- if you like it – good. if not, not. But not for upshlog.
If someone gets inspired to do any mitzvah from learning something which everyone else says, has nothing to do with what he got inspired to do (he may have even read the words wrong)
I hope you get the moshol.
We say the rebbe is nosi hador/moshiach shebidor
And Al pi poshut pshat the gemora says “yaakov lo mais” -which on a simple level means kipshuto.
From all this we get inspired to add in our observance of Torah and mitzvos.
You say we learnt it wrong? that’s ok, everyone is entitled to an opinion. but as long as Its not taking away from Torah and mitzvos but rather it helps ppl add in Torah and mitzvos What do you care how we came to this inspiration.
If you feel that RAK or someone else is the nosi hador/moshiach shebidor and it helps you add in Torah and mitzvos – gezunterheit.
No need for arguments
“Not all, just the machmirim”
About the book
The cutting and growth of the beard in Jewish law is the subject of this encyclopedic work, over 1000 pages in length and the result of over 30 years of research.
The author has compiled a phenomenal array of sources spanning the centuries, including opinions across the spectrum of Jewish law, the Kabbalistic view, and astonishing anecdotes of Jews self-sacrifice to keep their beards.
The reader will unquestionably come away with a deepened appreciation for the beauty and significance of the Jewish beard.
You have pretty random things to say nothing rellevent to this CR
I think you should start a new thread for your apikorses
on Rav Shach zt”l, who had 10 times the amount of people at his levaya than the Rebbe
Who said that’s what defines a nosi??
I feel bad if thats how you define one
The Rebbe’s father-in-law spoke very harshly of the Jews in Europe, saying they deserved to die in the holocaust,
Where did you see such lies ??
If you only knew how much mesiras nefesh to he had no normal person would ever say such a thing
Once we’re on the topic of Rav Shach zt”l, Rav Shach zt”l was rather clear in his denunciation of Lubavitch and called it avoda zara. In return for his kind-hearted efforts to save a large portion of klal yisroel from eveira, he was called “Shach” and “mibnei banav shel Haman limdu torah bebnei brak”. He was not denouncing Lubavitchers, which is a big difference
several ponts to consider (i dont think any of us can say who is right or wrong)
One was the Rebbe’s innovation of learning Rambam everyday to finish it in 1 years or 3 years. R. Shach mocked it saying that people already knew of the Rambam before the Rebbe came around, and he said that no one should follow the Rebbe’s Rambam learning cycle. (He supported daf yomi, and never rejected it saying that people knew of the gemoro before R. Shapiro). He gave two reasons: that people will pasken from the Rambam and it will disrupt seder. Neither of these points seem to be valid, as people who learn Rambam know that we don’t always pasken according to the Rambam; and the Rebbe was very adamant that chitas and Rambam should not be learned during seder.
Another thing of contention was whether you can give land of Eretz Yisroel away. The Rebbe was very against giving away land, while R. Shach supported giving away land for “peace”.
The Rebbe got very upset when R. Shach spoke really sharply against non religious Jews and kibbutznikim, saying that they forfeited their right to be called Jews. The Rebbe said that “every Jew is part of God” and that “anyone who berates any Jew is touching the apple of God’s eye. (The Rebbe was always careful to only speak of other Jews favourably, similar to the derech of the berditchiver.)
as we see slowly that more and more non lubavtichers relize this (E.g. aish hatora)
and other kiruv
@rso regarding #5
are you gonna tell me that moshiach is only from the few ppl mentioned in the gemoro and it cant be anyone else (i mean it also says that moshiach is rabeinu hakadosh if its from those that are alive.
will you tell me that only daniel or rabunu hakadosh are moshiach?????)
have you ever learnt gemoro b4
You really want people to bring sources to prove Chabad Meshichism is a thing
i know its a thing. but im not sure which comment your referring to
1 “There is no such thing as Nossi Hador nowadays, and there hasn’t been for thousands of years”
every generation has a nosi hador – it doesnt just stop ( if you KNOW what the definition of nosi hador is)
We consider the Rebbe to be nosi hador based on our hergesh if you feel that your rov is the nosi hador -gezunterheit
nosi hador is moshiach shebidor if you think your rov is nosi hador / moshiach shebidor we will find out – TODAY.
i cant argue on that
to 3, 4, and 5
as @SH just mentioned (although we may not agree on everything but on the fact that you need to open a sefer again i think we both agree)
open a sefer and learn the sugya – ill bring more detail soon unless someone else answers first
on a side note based on the TRUE definition of a meshichist i hope every jew is one.
“The Gemoro in Sanhedrin 98b DOES NOT say that the talmidim thought their rebbes were moshiach. Neither Rashi nor the Maharsho say so. Of course, you can interpret that that’s what the talmidim really meant (as a lubavicher you should be able to interpret anything to fit what you want it to mean, as that is what you are good at) but they don’t say that at all.”
מה שמו דבי רבי שילא אמרי שילה שמו שנאמר (בראשית מט, י) עד כי יבא שילה דבי רבי ינאי אמרי ינון שמו שנאמר (תהלים עב, יז) יהי שמו לעולם לפני שמש ינון שמו דבי רבי חנינה אמר חנינה שמו שנאמר (ירמיהו טז, יג) אשר לא אתן לכם חנינה ויש אומרים מנחם בן חזקיה שמו שנאמר (איכה א, טז) כי רחק ממני מנחם משיב נפשי ורבנן אמרי חיוורא דבי רבי שמו שנאמר (ישעיהו נג, ד) אכן חליינו הוא נשא ומכאובינו סבלם ואנחנו חשבנוהו נגוע מוכה אלהים ומעונה
translation from sefarya .org
the Gemara asks: What is his name? The school of Rabbi Sheila says: Shiloh is his name, as it is stated: “Until when Shiloh shall come” The school of Rabbi Yannai says: Yinnon is his name, as it is stated: “May his name endure forever; may his name continue [yinnon] as long as the sun; and may men bless themselves by him” . The school of Rabbi Ḥanina says: Ḥanina is his name, as it is stated: “For I will show you no favor [ḥanina]”. And some say that Menaḥem ben Ḥizkiyya is his name, as it is stated: “Because the comforter [menaḥem] that should relieve my soul is far from me”. And the Rabbis say: The leper of the house of Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi is his name, as it is stated: “Indeed our illnesses he did bear and our pains he endured; yet we did esteem him injured, stricken by God, and afflicted”
explain this – why were they trying to find names of their teachers as the name moshiach???
אמר רב נחמן אי מן חייא הוא כגון אנא שנאמר (ירמיהו ל, כא) והיה אדירו ממנו ומושלו מקרבו יצא אמר רב אי מן חייא הוא כגון רבינו הקדוש אי מן מתיא הוא כגון דניאל איש חמודות
translation from sefarya .org
Rav Naḥman says: If the Messiah is among the living in this generation, he is a person such as me, who already has dominion over the Jewish people, as it is stated: “And their prince shall be of themselves, and their governor shall proceed from their midst” (Jeremiah 30:21), indicating that the redeemer is already in power. Rav says: If the Messiah is among the living in this generation, he is a person such as our saintly Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi, who was renowned for his sanctity, piety, and Torah knowledge. If the Messiah is among the dead he is a person such as Daniel, the beloved man.
אי מן חייא הוא כגון רבינו הקדוש – אם משיח מאותן שחיים עכשיו ודאי היינו רבינו הקדוש דסובל תחלואים וחסיד גמור הוה כדאמרינן בבבא מציעא (דף פה.) ואם היה מאותן שמתו כבר היה דניאל איש חמודות שנדון ביסורין בגוב אריות וחסיד גמור היה והאי כגון לאו דווקא
@rso your saying according to the second opinion in rashi:
ל”א כגון רבינו הקדוש כלומר אם יש דוגמתו בחיים היינו רבינו הקדוש ואם דוגמא הוא למתים היינו כגון דניאל איש חמודות:
“Very possibly Chazal”
Obviously it’s mutar am pi halacha the question is when it came into a regular day-to-day thing
When did shaving beards come into the lifish mesorah as far as I know before the war everyone had beards
I’m not asking from a halacha standpoint obviously that was figured out
Who’s milhouse ?
I remember hearing the opposite
As far as rak and not reb ahron kotler it’s called roshei teivos
As in rashi
And anyone else
But if if you want to accuse me of being mevaze talmidei chachomim. I’m ok with that
Now that we cleared that points can you explain the other part that I mentioned regarding Shanghai??
Or do you not know what I’m talking about?
Regarding what you’re saying before 3 tamuz, no one ever said that it cant be someone who is dead.
There was no need to go down that path
I alreally brought my points regarding RAK regarding Shanghai you can search the web for the documents from those days
That’s because no one has actually ever brought up any sources they only said things that they heard as I already mentioned before which you clearly didn’t read
The hater part has to do with people who are saying things without knowing facts or not having any sources what they’re saying as someone commented before that they never actually saw something happening they just heard about it
What’s a connection with all this to moshiach sheker?
Where do you see such a thing
There is a 15 page application form
I thought that was only for chabad
5. Bash chassidic groups, extra credit for bashing Chabad
Now I understand!
How many extra points do you get maybe I’ll switch sides
6. Love your fellow Jew – who is Litvish
And the rebbetzin
Gedolim attend chabad weddings because chezkas kashrus that they don’t fully believe the nonsense like “atzmus” and are fully aware the Rebbe died 25 years ago and isn’t alive. But go around litvish yeshivos instead of going by what people say hear and you will quickly see that Chabad is very suspect, and that they are at least chochesh for the view of Rav aharon Kotler zt”l that Chabad is avoda zara. Considering some chabadsker sent Rav Shach zt”l a noose in the mail, I don’t blame everyone for being silent in public. The talmidim know the truth.
Read what you wrote again again you sound like an oxymoron
All of the sudden your allowed to make fun of a talmid chochom – someone that learnt a bit more Torah then you??
No need to go into any more details you get the point I’m being moche for on what your saying.
And unless you have clear sources for what you say (not just repeating lashon hara) I think this conversation is not something YOU should deal with.
Who ever said gemora & shulchan aruch is not important
You’re hearing a lot of things from places full of hate you didn’t bring one reliable source anything you claimed against Chabad
Some of the comments that were posted recently even admitted they never saw what they claimed actually happening. They just heard about it
Make sure to learn שמירת הלשון from the chofetz chaim.
He also put out pamphlets saying the Litvish yeshivas were full of kefira. (This is in Making of a Gadol for those who need a source) .
more lashon hara??????
i learn new things every day
i never realized how much lashon hara goes around in your circles
“actually, the name Misnagdim came from you guys, ”
incorrect. the misnagdim called themselves misnagdim (i know it sound funny) but thats a fact
again you say thing without knowing facts.
“As mentioned, Chabad believes that only learning chassidus can bring the geula”
where’d you hear such a thing
the Rebbe went further than most chassidim with violations of the 13 ikkarim.
answerd by @chossid
his skepticism of the 6 million number is the one that broke the camel’s back
i didnt mean specifically that but b”h you got the point.
(i thought your leaving the CR:) )
So here you are being mivazeh a Talmid Chochom
just stating facts about the lashon hara – look it up
you still never explained how its possible to moser on someone a false libel just because you disagree with him
This led to the “Shangai” disputes over who is a ben Torah worthy of the chaluka from Rav Kalmanowitz zt”l and Rav Aharon Kotler zt”l and who should rely on the Joint Distribution Committee.
could you explain why they wrote clearly “that the money from the joint is not for chabad” and not just a criteria of a ben torah?????
Where you around for the last three threads on this subject the last of which was one of the longest on this site?
yes – i know very well his position
and all the lashon hara you guys hear – making things up without ever seeing or hearing
Never said anything against him I was asking about his
And btw abt the cherem part it’s facts go look it up.
Explain the 100 days thing please
I never knew that’s how it work
Y davka 100?
Btw he was just banned from entering the UK because hes a radical… No proofs from him. – and he prob Holds your not jewish…. Look him up he claims only 1 million jews died in the holocust
I’ll answer the other part later – that question was one of the first questions ever asked about chabad
Another trivia question:
Where did the name misnagdim come from?
It came from the misnagdim themselves
And btw they called the chassidim the freiliche.
As I said he was told lashon hara
Why should I assume he had ruach hakodesh if it’s written that the only reason why he made the charem was because of what he heard – which was a lot of lashon hara – look it up
Dont you yourself say theres no ruach hakodesh these days?
@ncb you’re really trying hard – good job – I admire ppl that fight for what they think is right.
And btw you misunderstood the halacha/kabala thing which I didnt explain
But it’s not againsthalacha or kabala what is done
I think you were also told a lot of lashon hara abt chabad
There may be a few that do eat but that you have in every group, nothing to do with chabad
but rather that you have COMPLETELY done away with any Mussar whatsoever.
Have you ever learnt chassidic to say such a thing?
Chabad may not learn mussar as a subject but chassidus is full of mussar albeit a diff. Style then what your used to.
Achilas kava ? Where’d you see or hear of such a thing.
Lo sochlu al hadam
Do you follow gemora or a clear psak shulchan aruch that its mutar?
anyone who is Mevazeh Talmidei Chachamim.
When did this happen
Also did you ever hear why the vilna goan put the them in cherem? I’ll tell you a secret it had to do with him being told lashon horo
Another point I’m sure you heard: that the misnagdim mosered on the Baal hatanya a false libel which ended up with the Baal hatanya being arrested – does this also have to do with claiming that someone was mevaze talmidei chachomim?
It’s a Chabad chiddush that you should for some reason avoid bread like it’s some kind of issur
Are we talking abt halacha or kabala
But don’t say that its ageinst halacha
Again you guys really need to learn a bit more before you say something against someone else
@lmt your funny I love how clueless you are abt chabad, your arguments date back to the times of the Baal hatanya all of which are answered at great length in seforim
I think the chofetz chain disagrees with your halachos
eating before shachris
Orach Chaim 89:3 and 4
one whose hunger or thirst would affect his ability to concentrate on his prayers. the rambam explicitly states that one who is hungry and feels that he will not be able to concentrate should eat before praying
So, eating before praying is not unique to Chabad – as demonstrated above, it is normative Jewish law. Nevertheless, it is more prevalent in Chabad because in Chabad it is traditional to study chassidic teachings before the morning prayers,
Minhag Chabad is to make sure to taste something for Shalosh Seudos, they don’t wash for bread because of the Posuk “Hayom Lo”.
What this means is as follows: The Gemarah in Shabbos learns out the obligation to eat 3 meals of Shabbos from the following Posuk: “And Moshe said, eat [the Monn] today (Hayom), because today (Hayom) is a Shabbos for Hashem, today you will not (Hayom Lo) find [the Monn] in the field”. Since the Pasuk says the word “Hayom” 3 times (when speaking about the Monn which served them as bread), we learn that one must eat 3 meals on Shabbos.
Based on the words of Rabbeinu Bechayei the Tzemach Tzedek rules (Piskei Dinim Chiddushim on Rabbeinu Yerucham p. 357) that since this meal is learned from the words “Hayom Lo”, unlike the first two meals which are learned from the word “Hayom”, we don’t need to eat bread for Shalosh Seudos, unlike the first two meals
nothing to do with chabad, sorry.
not Learning Mussar- or ANYTHING that isn’t Chassidus
where did you got such nonsense from
I think that’s just blasphemous to say such thing about other jews
ncb could you elaborate?
The different minhogim between other chassidim and chabad
And why only chasam sofar or rama?
This Thread was quite funny until people took this personal
Don’t worry about rebbetzingoldenpupik she(/he – so she claims) has a good sense of humer. Especially cuz she has no clue abt anything in chabad.
– yes she may have been making fun but she definitely holds of ahavas yisroel so shes allowed to, no?
Btw you forgot the 7 mitzvos drabananMarch 12, 2019 3:24 pm at 3:24 pm in reply to: In the Purim Spirit: Women are required to Ad dlo yada 😂🤣😂🤣 #1693757
Someone related that the word יין (wine) has the same numerical value as the word לקח (cake). Someone asked “how is this possible, יין has the numerical value of 70 and לקח has the numerical value of 138?
He answered “for this problem there is a sim-
ple solution, have more ייןand if two times יין
comes out to be more than לקח , then take another piece of לקח .
If two times לקח is more than two times יין and even more than three times יין . Then you have to have so much יין and so much לקח that either one of the two occur: Either this problem will “work out” mathematically, or you will fulfill the
obligation of Purim to reach the limit of עד שלא ידע!
Eventually he will not be able to tell the differ-
ence between “cursed is Haman and blessed is
Mordechai.” Certainly he will not be able to tell
the difference if יין is the numerical value of לקח !March 11, 2019 8:06 pm at 8:06 pm in reply to: In the Purim Spirit: Women are required to Ad dlo yada 😂🤣😂🤣 #1693278