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Heimy maybe find out if you are takeh jewish maybe one of ur great grandparents were not jewish and only thought they were jewish for whatever reason so ur not jewish.
(All on ur mothers side 🙂 )

That’s what i understand from your question

@lmt you’re mixing kashe mit borsht
99.9% of “gedolim” that have a prob. with chabad. say very clearly it’s only those that say lo meis.
None of them have a problem with the moshiach stuff
Just to name a few
R Herschel Schachter
R Nissin Kaplan
R Shmuel Kamenetsky
(so get your facts straight – btw in no way am I saying that i need them for proof, its just for u)

Now regarding the lo meis

edted

Second of all we are on a totally diff topic as mentioned previously on this thread and was answered before

now you have a bunch of questions to answer from @chossid
You still didnt explain the 13 ikrim to say how we go against it – you just wrote that we go against it.

Btw according to you… You shouldn’t eat any food that have a major hechsher cuz allot of the mashgichim in the big hechsherim (especially when the plants are in random places) are lubavitcher which according to u is avoda zara and mistama chshash treif…

“Problem difference with rebbes that doesn’t apply to Gedolim is that some chassidim push it too far and treat their Rebbe like a g-d. We won’t mention which kinds of chassidusis you can think about it and maybe you can figure it out on your own”

Where’d this come from?

It’s funny how every single thread end up with the same things and it comes from right field (rebitzen might argue and say left:)) .
did you really have to make this comment?

I was asking something totally diff. Which u happened to answer nicely in the first paragraph

Assuming your allowed.
what if you your walking down the st and find $100 and a piece of lettuce are you allowed to pick it up and bring it home so that you can have it just in case you get a nosebleed next week? Which one should you take?
(Obviously taking into consideration the carrying problem)

Wow I’m impressed with you

You know how to distort history even better then Bryan Mark rigg
He at least quotes a whole story you on the other hand took a line from his book that works for you
Read page 168 in his book
Where he total disagrees with you

As I mentioned before if only you knew how much mesiras nefesh the 6th rebbe had you wouldn’t dare say such things

You’ll bring me proof from historians. That didnt find anything. Does that mean it didnt happen??
The making of a gadol has a very political agenda
Your only proof may have been from bryan Mark rigg but as I said you took 1 line from what he said

This is not my opinion nor is it necessarily the chabad opinion but I thought I might share something to clarify this whole meshichist/yechi thing- if you like it – good. if not, not. But not for upshlog.

If someone gets inspired to do any mitzvah from learning something which everyone else says, has nothing to do with what he got inspired to do (he may have even read the words wrong)
I hope you get the moshol.

Nimshal
We say the rebbe is nosi hador/moshiach shebidor

And Al pi poshut pshat the gemora says “yaakov lo mais” -which on a simple level means kipshuto.

From all this we get inspired to add in our observance of Torah and mitzvos.

You say we learnt it wrong? that’s ok, everyone is entitled to an opinion. but as long as Its not taking away from Torah and mitzvos but rather it helps ppl add in Torah and mitzvos What do you care how we came to this inspiration.

If you feel that RAK or someone else is the nosi hador/moshiach shebidor and it helps you add in Torah and mitzvos – gezunterheit.

No need for arguments

@lmt
You have pretty random things to say nothing rellevent to this CR
I think you should start a new thread for your apikorses

The Rebbe’s father-in-law spoke very harshly of the Jews in Europe, saying they deserved to die in the holocaust,
Where did you see such lies ??
If you only knew how much mesiras nefesh to he had no normal person would ever say such a thing

@rso regarding #5
are you gonna tell me that moshiach is only from the few ppl mentioned in the gemoro and it cant be anyone else (i mean it also says that moshiach is rabeinu hakadosh if its from those that are alive.
will you tell me that only daniel or rabunu hakadosh are moshiach?????)

have you ever learnt gemoro b4

“The Gemoro in Sanhedrin 98b DOES NOT say that the talmidim thought their rebbes were moshiach. Neither Rashi nor the Maharsho say so. Of course, you can interpret that that’s what the talmidim really meant (as a lubavicher you should be able to interpret anything to fit what you want it to mean, as that is what you are good at) but they don’t say that at all.”

Sanhedrin 98b
מה שמו דבי רבי שילא אמרי שילה שמו שנאמר (בראשית מט, י) עד כי יבא שילה דבי רבי ינאי אמרי ינון שמו שנאמר (תהלים עב, יז) יהי שמו לעולם לפני שמש ינון שמו דבי רבי חנינה אמר חנינה שמו שנאמר (ירמיהו טז, יג) אשר לא אתן לכם חנינה ויש אומרים מנחם בן חזקיה שמו שנאמר (איכה א, טז) כי רחק ממני מנחם משיב נפשי ורבנן אמרי חיוורא דבי רבי שמו שנאמר (ישעיהו נג, ד) אכן חליינו הוא נשא ומכאובינו סבלם ואנחנו חשבנוהו נגוע מוכה אלהים ומעונה
translation from sefarya .org
the Gemara asks: What is his name? The school of Rabbi Sheila says: Shiloh is his name, as it is stated: “Until when Shiloh shall come” The school of Rabbi Yannai says: Yinnon is his name, as it is stated: “May his name endure forever; may his name continue [yinnon] as long as the sun; and may men bless themselves by him” . The school of Rabbi Ḥanina says: Ḥanina is his name, as it is stated: “For I will show you no favor [ḥanina]”. And some say that Menaḥem ben Ḥizkiyya is his name, as it is stated: “Because the comforter [menaḥem] that should relieve my soul is far from me”. And the Rabbis say: The leper of the house of Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi is his name, as it is stated: “Indeed our illnesses he did bear and our pains he endured; yet we did esteem him injured, stricken by God, and afflicted”

explain this – why were they trying to find names of their teachers as the name moshiach???

“Very possibly Chazal”

Obviously it’s mutar am pi halacha the question is when it came into a regular day-to-day thing

Who’s milhouse ?
I remember hearing the opposite

Regarding what you’re saying before 3 tamuz, no one ever said that it cant be someone who is dead.
There was no need to go down that path

I alreally brought my points regarding RAK regarding Shanghai you can search the web for the documents from those days

DY
That’s because no one has actually ever brought up any sources they only said things that they heard as I already mentioned before which you clearly didn’t read

@DY
What’s a connection with all this to moshiach sheker?
Where do you see such a thing

@lmt
Gedolim attend chabad weddings because chezkas kashrus that they don’t fully believe the nonsense like “atzmus” and are fully aware the Rebbe died 25 years ago and isn’t alive. But go around litvish yeshivos instead of going by what people say hear and you will quickly see that Chabad is very suspect, and that they are at least chochesh for the view of Rav aharon Kotler zt”l that Chabad is avoda zara. Considering some chabadsker sent Rav Shach zt”l a noose in the mail, I don’t blame everyone for being silent in public. The talmidim know the truth.

Read what you wrote again again you sound like an oxymoron

Make sure to learn שמירת הלשון from the chofetz chaim.

“actually, the name Misnagdim came from you guys, ”
incorrect. the misnagdim called themselves misnagdim (i know it sound funny) but thats a fact
again you say thing without knowing facts.
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“As mentioned, Chabad believes that only learning chassidus can bring the geula”
where’d you hear such a thing
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the Rebbe went further than most chassidim with violations of the 13 ikkarim.
answerd by @chossid
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his skepticism of the 6 million number is the one that broke the camel’s back
i didnt mean specifically that but b”h you got the point.
(i thought your leaving the CR:) )
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So here you are being mivazeh a Talmid Chochom
just stating facts about the lashon hara – look it up
you still never explained how its possible to moser on someone a false libel just because you disagree with him
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This led to the “Shangai” disputes over who is a ben Torah worthy of the chaluka from Rav Kalmanowitz zt”l and Rav Aharon Kotler zt”l and who should rely on the Joint Distribution Committee.
could you explain why they wrote clearly “that the money from the joint is not for chabad” and not just a criteria of a ben torah?????

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Where you around for the last three threads on this subject the last of which was one of the longest on this site?
yes – i know very well his position
and all the lashon hara you guys hear – making things up without ever seeing or hearing

@mm
Btw he was just banned from entering the UK because hes a radical… No proofs from him. – and he prob Holds your not jewish…. Look him up he claims only 1 million jews died in the holocust

I’ll answer the other part later – that question was one of the first questions ever asked about chabad

As I said he was told lashon hara
Why should I assume he had ruach hakodesh if it’s written that the only reason why he made the charem was because of what he heard – which was a lot of lashon hara – look it up

Dont you yourself say theres no ruach hakodesh these days?

@ncb you’re really trying hard – good job – I admire ppl that fight for what they think is right.

And btw you misunderstood the halacha/kabala thing which I didnt explain
But it’s not againsthalacha or kabala what is done
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Achilas kava
I think you were also told a lot of lashon hara abt chabad
There may be a few that do eat but that you have in every group, nothing to do with chabad

Achilas kava ? Where’d you see or hear of such a thing.
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Lo sochlu al hadam
Do you follow gemora or a clear psak shulchan aruch that its mutar?
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anyone who is Mevazeh Talmidei Chachamim.
When did this happen

Also did you ever hear why the vilna goan put the them in cherem? I’ll tell you a secret it had to do with him being told lashon horo

Another point I’m sure you heard: that the misnagdim mosered on the Baal hatanya a false libel which ended up with the Baal hatanya being arrested – does this also have to do with claiming that someone was mevaze talmidei chachomim?
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It’s a Chabad chiddush that you should for some reason avoid bread like it’s some kind of issur

Are we talking abt halacha or kabala
But don’t say that its ageinst halacha
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Again you guys really need to learn a bit more before you say something against someone else

eating before shachris
Orach Chaim 89:3 and 4
one whose hunger or thirst would affect his ability to concentrate on his prayers. the rambam explicitly states that one who is hungry and feels that he will not be able to concentrate should eat before praying

So, eating before praying is not unique to Chabad – as demonstrated above, it is normative Jewish law. Nevertheless, it is more prevalent in Chabad because in Chabad it is traditional to study chassidic teachings before the morning prayers,
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seudas shlishis
Minhag Chabad is to make sure to taste something for Shalosh Seudos, they don’t wash for bread because of the Posuk “Hayom Lo”.

What this means is as follows: The Gemarah in Shabbos learns out the obligation to eat 3 meals of Shabbos from the following Posuk: “And Moshe said, eat [the Monn] today (Hayom), because today (Hayom) is a Shabbos for Hashem, today you will not (Hayom Lo) find [the Monn] in the field”. Since the Pasuk says the word “Hayom” 3 times (when speaking about the Monn which served them as bread), we learn that one must eat 3 meals on Shabbos.

Based on the words of Rabbeinu Bechayei the Tzemach Tzedek rules (Piskei Dinim Chiddushim on Rabbeinu Yerucham p. 357) that since this meal is learned from the words “Hayom Lo”, unlike the first two meals which are learned from the word “Hayom”, we don’t need to eat bread for Shalosh Seudos, unlike the first two meals
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davening late
nothing to do with chabad, sorry.
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not Learning Mussar- or ANYTHING that isn’t Chassidus
where did you got such nonsense from

ncb could you elaborate?
The different minhogim between other chassidim and chabad
And why only chasam sofar or rama?

Btw you forgot the 7 mitzvos drabanan

@goldenpupik
They might also have a chiyuv to drink midirabanan mitzad chinuch