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I sometimes fall asleep in my soup by Shulchan Oreich.
I sometimes fall asleep on my shulchan aruch.
I dunno oomis, maybe things are different now than they used to be. I urge you to go check out some of the popular manhattan lounges and see if there is anything so objectionable. Maybe go with your spouse for a nice night on the town. Try the rotating lounge in the top of the Marriott Marque, or the Waldorf.
I still don’t get it.
And I certainly don’t agree with you that it is more important to concentrate on making other people better avdei Hashem than making yourself be.
And if you think they should push aveiros out of the public sphere, something such as this would be appropriate. But you sounded sarcastic.
I’m not sure what you’re driving it, but it seems as if you think that it is ok to do issurim if not doing them will make us be in the headlines on Drudge.
I don’t concur with the criticism of dating in hotel lobbies. I have gone on innumerable such dates, and have yet to ever see anything very inappropriate. It is usually a few business people sitting here and there, and occasionally a few tourists as well.
If you think there is much inappropriate going on, why don’t you go sit in the lounge at the Brooklyn Marriott tonight for a few hours and tell me what you see besides 15 dates.
GAW: I think that would be appropriate. Part of what society does is allocate its resources. If you exclude a part of the community from receiving any govt benefits, it would not be appropriate to still tax them. They should be able to tax themselves and allocate their money.
For example, when I am at a kiddush and a parent is sitting at one of the (few!) tables with his/her 4 young children next to him/her, and there are MANY adults without seats (yes, older men/women and pregnant women), it makes me so sad. What kind of parents are you?? I (and my siblings) were never, ever, EVER was allowed sit at a kiddush or in shul unless EVERY single man/woman in the room had a seat or did not want to sit.
I wholeheartedly disagree with this. Kids are people too, and like food, and like going to a kiddush, just as adults do. The adults are responsible for making sure that the kids have access to the kiddush in a fair way, and that includes having seats. If there are not enough seats, that is the adults’ fault, and I think the adults should stand up to give the kids seats.
I get outraged when I see adults telling kids they don’t deserve to sit at the kiddush.
If the Charaidim would offer to stop taking any money and “opt out” of the state in return for being left alone, the non-Charaidim would take it in a heartbeat.
1. That is not likely to be true.
2. In that case, chareidim who do have money should not be taxed, so that they can contribute that money to the poor chareidim.
GAW: Come now, you are being a little overstrident, and your conclusion does not make sense.
If the only concern was money, they would go to the army, and then take over the Israeli economy. They would not sit in yeshiva and be paupers, and have to beg on the streets to marry off their kids.
You sound a bit biased.
But the Frum must worry about the impression they make!
Sure, the impression they make is of a liberal.
Liberals don’t like them, because liberals think poor people are entitled to what the rich folks have, and therefore are entitled to steal it through political force. But think that Torah is not valuable and so chareidim are not entitled to steal it.
But it is still comparable, because conservatives view the stealing liberals the same way that chilonim view chareidim. And the liberals don’t care about how they are viewed–they have the power and they’ll use it. So why do they fault for the chareidim for not caring how they are viewed.
Daniela, I am not moichel on your manipulative abuse. Remember,there is din and Dayan.
wow. Are you really so persecuted by Daniela’s writing opinions here?
As far as the financial issues, would it help for you to just conceive them as liberals?
Liberal ideology is that it is appropriate to use electoral power to take money from people who have it and distribute it to yourself. This is the system used in every modern liberal democracy, and espoused by legendary liberals such as our President.
That is precisely what the chareidim do. They have electoral power, and they use it to force other Israelis to give them money. Money which they think they are morally entitled to by due of learning, which is more than can be said for liberals in other countries.
Now, I am not a liberal, so I don’t approve of such antics, and I equate it with the behavior of liberals in the US and elsewhere which I heartily condemn. But most of their critics in the jewish community are indeed liberals, so their criticism is bewildering.
Charlie’s criticism really stands out in this respect.
Joe, you could prefer all you want. The next ruler after the State of Israel is going to be Melech HaMoshiah.
See now, usually you folks try to claim that the medinah is moshiach, or is as good as moshiach. I’m glad you’re conceding this much.
YCT of course.
Nobody has ever referred to the ivy league of artists.
You are asking which ones have sports teams that play in the Ivy League with Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Penn, etc?
saysme: Many of the posters know me in real life. Ask them.
1. Never speak to your husband while he is drinking beer.
2. Never speak to your wife while she is fetching your beer.
3. Never drink the last bottle of beer, without clearing it with one another.
4. Budget for beer–it can’t be expected to come from the regular beverages budget.
5. Be a good designated driver. Make sure to attend any wedding or other event where your husband will want to drink.
6. No zmiros or divrei torah at the shabbos table. Tables are for eating and drinking off of.
7. It is important to talk about your feelings, and you should not do anything else while you are doing so. Therefore, you should not talk about your feelings if there is anything that either of you want to do.
8. Your husband is not a cleaning lady. Don’t ask him to wash the dishes or mop the floor.
9. Your husband is not your babysitter either.
10. Lo Sachmod. It doesn’t matter that your friend’s husband helps out at home and isn’t a drunk and has a real job.
v stands for Vault. One of the companies that does law firm rankings.
Another popular ranking is Amlaw. And a third is NLJ
I’ve heard people talk about the vault and amlaw 100 or 200 firms, and the NLJ250.
mobe:
I don’t think we agree. I don’t think it is that much harder that it should play a very relevant part in someone’s decision.
Yes, you are correct, there was no need for name calling. But your cousin is not representing reality to you. Sure, v10 firms are very prestigious, but only marginally so more than v20 firms and v30 firms.
And like VM notes, the difference is still really pretty marginal as long as you are still at a 160k firm, when you compare that to other firms or jobs.
VM: Yes, there is probbaly some hit against yeshiva guys as regards employment.
Your cousin is an idiot. And that’s why he could only get into Columbia.
My cousin says that what is a good sign for jobs in law school is getting a job at one of the top ten firms (he said v10 but i dont really know what that means, I assume its the same thing). How many BTL guys from Harvard, Columbia, Penn etc get jobs at the top ten firms??
Any lawyer knows that:
A. that is a ridiculous measure of success.
B. Most Harvard students overall don’t work at a v10 firm.
We need to do our own study. It has to be in one school, and needs to be in a school that grades, and that has a big sample.
I say let’s study both Columbia, and Penn, but separately.
This would be kind of hard to do, and we’d need insiders to get us all the BTL’s since we don’t want a selection bias.
Yes, that is probably true. I think it is more true though for hte frum guys, who frequently choose fordham over Penn, Michigan, Chicago, and every school which is not Columbia, NYU, Harvard, Yale.
Fordham has a funny dynamic as regards BTL’s, because it is the best school in NY which is not Columbia or NYU. Since many frum guys don’t want to leave NY, you have many people there who just missed Columbia/NYU, and are well overqualified for Fordham.
I still have no way of explaining their data, but I think I’d have also been surprised if the data had mapped the rest of the students.
Meanwhile, I really want to see this study. They should totally release it to the yeshivish chevra.
I did a google search. The modernishe one was a CX4 Storm. It was a beauty. I’d like that one. Costs about a thousand buck.
I went to a shooting range yesterday to practice. I shot a Sterling submachine gun, an AK47, a Glock 9mm, and some modernistic (modernishe) Berretta rifle. I’d say I shot pretty well for a beginner.
I have to practice for when they draft the chareidim. And all can decide for themselves why I’ll need practice then.
mdd: Looks like you don’t want to talk to anyone who wants to talk to you.
You can try talking to chilonim, but they think you are a backwards medieval bigot for being religious.
my cousin is a btl at colombia and he says that its hard there for the btls and all the mo guys (Modern Orthodox) look down at them because they know that they didnt really go to college. plus they think that most of the yeshivish guys in a good law school prob only got there by pulling some sort of shtick with their resume or transcript. and worst of all there are so many mo lawyers at the types of firms where columbia students interview that they all know that the btls are not serious
I don’t know about Columbia, but this is not the case at Harvard. I have heard that the BTL’s there brag about not having gone to college, and meanwhile win honors and awards.
I have a BTL friend at Columbia; I’ll ask him.
I think Israel should explore the loyalty oath.
Those that don’t pledge loyalty to the medina and to Tzahal and go live in places they’d find more heimishe, like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Park Heights Avenue, Route 59, etc.
Oh, they’ll do that. Just it won’t be for another 20-30 years, and it will be to pledge loyalty to Hashem and the Torah. And those who don’t…
“we’d obviously be better off under the arabs.”
I want anyone who thinks that to let me know what they are smoking. It must be really good stuff!
Come now Charlie. The CharlieHall I know doesn’t quote half a line and then criticize it.
I said, “And if they are trying to shmad us, which is very likely the case, then we’d obviously be better off under the arabs.” That is, that clause is dependent on the premise that they are trying to shmad us.
I’m happy to hear your disagreement on that, but I’d like to be sure we are disagreeing on the same thing.
Get a grip. Of course they would have done that in Russia, if they had the political power to do so. You’re being disingenuous if you think they wouldn’t have done so.
Oh, I thought you’d apologize for your previous attack.
My point,PBA, was that they did not and would not dare do it in the same fashion that the Israeli Chareidim do it.
Of course they would. If the jews in Russia had enough electoral power to stop themselves from being drafted, you better believe they would have used it.
What nonsense.
First, chill out.
Second, they certainly did try to evade the draft in Europe, and chazon ish that you cite is an example.
Third, I didn’t say it was a yehareig v’al yaavor. Neither was it in Russia, as evidence that the steipler didn’t allow himself to be killed to avoid the army.
Do you think the British, American, Swiss or Russian Jews would openly defy the draft in their respective countries like that?
You mean exactly like we did for hundreds of years in Europe when we thought it would shmad us? Yeah, we’d do that.
Also, I don’t forget about the moral duty, since that is precisely what the conversation is about.
Charlie: The question comes down to; would we be better off overall if there was never a medinah. If they answer in the affirmative, then they can hardly be considered to owe a moral duty to it.
And if they are trying to shmad us, which is very likely the case, then we’d obviously be better off under the arabs.
In what?
Height? Not by a long shot.
Obnoxiousness? By a long shot.
Brains? Depends who you ask.
The grain alcohol.
I made pickles.
If I remember correctly, they require all transcripts from all schools that your undergraduate degree came from.
I was unaware of a requirement or an implication that any more information was desired.
Consider yourself now informed. Law schools and LSAC request all undergraduate work.
As far as BTLs doing poorly, I meant relative to their LSAT scores.
I have extensive knowledge of many BTL’s in law school. That is not true at all.
I am unfamiliar with any study, but my recollection of the Fordham rumor is that they found a bimodal distribution among BTL’s (mostly at either top or bottom, but not in middle). Which makes absolutely no sense. My experience is that they fall on a bell curve, with a mean above the general population.
And I made pickles. Lots and lots of pickles. I put in some hot peppers that I bought. I made one big jar (the wal mart size) and one small jar (the clausen size).
I put some rye in the small one. ^—^
How would HLS know every credit you took?
Because when you apply to the bar, they actually do extensive research on you, and call every employer, and every school, and want to know where you were when you were toilet trained, and they will figure it out. And if you lied on your law school application, you will be well toasted.