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What does Oberlander (or Chasam Sofer) have to do with Yekkes? Their minhagim (including havara) are closer to Chasidim. (Yes, I know they are not Chasidim [or Yekkes.]) Vien [now based in Brooklyn] is probably the largest Oberland kehila.
Not all of German Jewry were Yekkes (or followed the Yekkesh minhagim.)
besalel: I agree with your last line. That’s what I’ve been saying.
jbaldy: I’d be more worried about those that deny Har Sinai.
Sam: Your underlying point is valid but you’re making a stretch applying it here. Their meeting him doesn’t cause sympathy to jew-hatred. Would you have opposed Rabi Yochonon Ben Zakkai from meeting Vespasian?
Sam, you’re making way too big of a stretch. Are you saying that the secular left-wing Jews (who the world considers more “mainstream Jews” than Orthodox Jews) that support a boycott against Israel or support Palestinian rights are the cause of Kansas City?
And if the UN does pass another resolution against Israel (even assuming your stretch as to what causes such resolutions) then Jews die due to the UN resolution?
dogo: Those allegations are false. They have not been proven because it doesn’t exist. You are parroting what you heard in the media without any evidence as there isn’t any. Not in court, not anywhere. Children belong with parents not with some other unrelated family. There is no way kidnapping these children and “assigning” them to another family will not cause far far greater damage to the children than leaving them with their own parents. Even if they have fungus on their toenails.
Sam, how are they endangering any lives by meeting him? They aren’t. They are a bunch of clowns but it is nothing more than getting their faces in the newspapers – which is their goal. They don’t accomplish anything and they don’t hurt anyone. They just make themselves out as foolish people. What they do is dumb but hurts no one.
The people that get all antsy and uptight and start going bonkers every time these guys do their shtick are essentially helping them accomplish their goal. They just want the attention. Ignore them and don’t worry about them. What they do doesn’t cause people to get killed; that is taking them too seriously.
There was also a letter published in Ami signed by the Montreal Dayanim of Satmar, Skvere and another big Rov supporting the group, asking people to help them and to stop accusing them.
Ami refuted the accusations point by point. And there has been not a single actual case where it was shown that any 14 year old was married despite claims. (And the claim was that there was once one single case of someone going to some US State that allows it and got married at 15. But none of the accusers seems to know who that supposedly is. Even the welfare department found no evidence of it actually happening.) The entirety of the claims are built on a deck of cards that doesn’t hold up.
mw13, beautifully said.
jbaldy, I think he reversed it. The seculars we know frequently have psul in yichus. They’ve intermarried so long you can often never be sure that there wasn’t a non-Orthodox conversion among some great or grandmother or a remarriage without a valid get or an intermarriage somewhere along the line, etc.
Just as the rabbonim attributed the cause of tach v’tat to talking in shul and told us to refrain from that in the future so that we should prevent a recurrence, so to here they can tell us the cause of a tragedy so that we should refrain from repeating that mistake.
DY: To put it more simply, a website needs to allow (and code their website to display) third-party ads in order for them to appear, otherwise no third-party ads can appear on the site.
Do you use an adblocker on your browser? That would explain why you didn’t see the ads even if they’re being displayed.
DY: The site puts the third-party ad generator (something like Google Advertising) on its site allowing that third-party to generate random, supposedly relevant, ads on its site. Without the site putting the third-party ad agent on its site, no third-party ads would appear on the site. Thus the site does bear responsibility for what appears at it has the option to not use a third-party ad service and use only internal, and approved, ads.
Sam: Short-sleeves is forbidden to look at and thus cannot be used in ads. Irregardless if that supposedly might attract non-frum people to look into frumkeit. You can’t do something that causes frum people to sin because it might make non-frum people frum.
????? is doche ???.
You have a complete obligation to tell her parents. You should also tell “$”. Anything you can do to break it up you must do. Even if it will cause a breach in your relationship with her.
The frum way is to do it b’tznius. Nothing loud or unusual. The idea of making a big deal out of it does not stem from Torah culture.