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Mammele: I believe look in the Nitei Gavriel on Nittel.
I also think there was also an article about it on Kikar last year.
Health: Prove it. Bring a source. You are wrong. Completely and totally wrong.
Health: You didn’t respond to my point. Violating the 7 Mitzvos (or any Chiyuv Misah) doesn’t create a free-for-all on killing them. You still need a Beis Din to give a P’sak Din. It’s a Misas Beis Din, not Kol HaKodem Zacha.
Health: You’re wrong. Being Over on the 7 Mitzvos is not a blanket death sentence. It’s a Chiyuv on Beis Din (like any Misas Beis Din) to mete out. It’s not a free-for-all for anyone to kill someone who was Over. We don’t do it because if we did it would be Retzicha Al Pi Halacha, not because American law won’t let us. Misas Beis Din have to be done by Beis Din, not Stam vigilantes.
Rav Soloveitchik explained that according to the Rambam, every type of Kedushah stems from the increased Chiyuv in Mitzvos.
picturesq: That’s a Machlokes Tannaim and a separate issue. That’s by Yerusha, not Tzedaka. I have not yet had a chance to look up the SA, Shach, and Taz, but B”N I’ll get to it.
LF: I have heard big Rabbonim say that “ashon Hara isn’t Shayach in cases like this because one could C”V come to learn from the bad things that well-respected people whose bad things weren’t known.
richashu: The issue with some of those is that while they are great for Bachurim, not so much for his wife (or him if he wants to do the things with her).
The Kosel is a must. Yad VaShem is important. It’s always fun to drive through the Galil and stop by all the Kivrei Tzadikim you can see. There are some really interesting ones off the beaten path.
picturesq: What are you referring to in Kesubos?
Health: Wrong. If you want someone to have a Din Treifa, there needs to be a P’sak Din L’misa. Would you call every Ba’al T’shuvah a Treifa? Heck, you just made the whole world Treifos, now it should be Muttar (Al Pi the Minchas Chinuch) to kill anyone to save your own life. Yasher Koach! You removed Mai Chazis.
DY: The goal might have been to get him on the ground. The outcome was that he was killed.
picturesq: Pashtus is that the “Halacha of saving lives” is a misreading of the Mishna. See Tzitz Eliezer 18:2 (give or take).
picturesq: Um, yes they are. Saying “I’m better than person X” inherently implies that person X is lower than me.
interjection: Honestly, probably because no one thought it would be degrading to women. People didn’t think like that. I would guess that there would be a different formulation if Chazal were around today.
northwardb: See my explanation on the first page.
Health: You’re being ridiculous here. He does not have the Din of a Treifa unless he had a Psak Din L’misa.
Frankly, you’re sounding like you’ll disagree with anything just because a liberal says it. If a liberal says the sky is blue that doesn’t make it green. Just because you disagree with someone usually doesn’t make them always wrong. (And no one in this thread is claiming racism, just a case of police violence.)
YW Fan and NE: So you are arguing that this is R’tzicha B’shogeg. You did something dangerous but not usually lethal and it turned out to be lethal. It’s still R’tzicha.
Health: Hashem wants him killed? Excuse me? So why don’t you go around killing every Goy who’s ever stolen? Here’s a hint: Hashem doesn’t want them killed. He wants Misas Beis Din administered when it’s deserved. Not the free vigilante “justice” you’re advocating.
And no, he wasn’t acquitted. The Grand Jury refused to even send it to trial. That is the miscarriage of justice here.
Gamanit: So? If you shoot someone and he lays on the ground screaming in pain and takes an hour for him to finally die, is that not murder? This is no different.
NE: If I had to guess, that cut in the video made it inadmissable as evidence which is probably why there was no indictment. I would love to hear what the cops involved said under oath. Unfortunately, we never will.
Lior: The video would explain it more than I ever could in writing. Basically, he just stands there with his hands in the air, saying he didn’t do anything and asking the officers not to touch him. Then he is jumped from behind and choked, which directly led to his death.
Lior: Watch the video before you comment.
DY: I think proper attention to grammar inherently shows good Middos.
coffee addict: That’s not what the Gemara says. That’s what the girls would say to persuade potential suitors. The Gemara makes no mention of if/how right they were.
To answer the OP: 1) He/she needs to not be a moron; 2) He/she needs to not be Joseph; 3) He/she needs to not be Popa.
Lior: If this person has a medical condition, he should be cognizant of his own condition and sit near the door. We are required to be nice to people and sympathetic towards them, but this should be a case of someone not being sympathetic to themselves.
YW Fan: I never said race, though there are clear studies about the influence of race in police decisions. And while several things skew some of those numbers, it does seem like some portions of this country have a race issue with police.
That article was absurd, as ubiquitin pointed out. Al Pi Halacha, that was Retzicha. By law, what happened there was murder. The lack of an indictment is a tragedy. He didn’t resist. Watch the video. He stood there with his hands up and was jumped on by behind and choked to death. So it was easier to choke him to death because of his health problems? That doesn’t change the fact that he was choked to death.
L’ma’aseh, one of these cases was a clear murder (we have it on tape) where the policeman was under no threat at all before putting someone in a fatal chokehold. I don’t care that the guy had breathing/heart conditions, that’s still murder in any other case.
On the other hand, there are smart ways to protest and there are not smart ways. Many are choosing the not-smart.
Lior: Ah. I thought the question mark at the end of your sentence was a typo. My bad.
Lior: Why on earth is who will pay for the wedding a factor in getting married? If (s)he is the right person for someone, you agree to get married and figure out how much money you can afford to spend on the wedding after.
DY: Se’ah B’se’ah is a separate issue from the issue Poskim discuss of lending vegetables (where paying back a carrot for a carrot will necessarily not be precisely the same size).
Lior: Not true. It’s not Ribbis because it’s normal behavior and the extra is just an everyday neighborly minute Matanah.
DY: He was responding to nisht’s quite disgusting comment. Seemed fair to me.
ca: I have no idea. The tape that everyone I knew heard over and over as a kid on Chanuka and now we all know by heart. There’s a song:
“You put them in starting from the right and add one more on every night,
But don’t forget when you start to light, you light them from the left to right.”
Lior: On the tape. “You put them in from right to left and light them from left to right.” I think it’s like that in the Mishnah Brurah.
Lior: Most Poskim say that neighbors (and friends) aren’t Makpid on those little differences so it’s okay.
ca: My Shul takes out all the Sifrei Torah. As does the Shul I sometimes Daven at when I’m on vacation (they even give one to the women, if you remember my other thread).
ca: There are more than 2 cases. Simchas Torah, Hoshana Rabba, Kol Nidrei in some Kehilos (some Davka do 5 no matter what Al Pi Kaballah, I’ve heard). Also, many take out all of the previous Sifrei Torah for a Hachnasas Sefer Torah.
brother: It’s very difficult to give general advice, but just try to impress upon him the gravity of doing inappropriate things. Depending on circumstances, asking that things like high-fives and taps on shoulders and such be avoided is impossible (even though by teenagers any contact is almost certainly Derech Chibah, except under rare circumstances). But if you can get through to him that being inappropriate with girls is a huge no-no, he’s much more likely to come out of this okay.
ca: Everyone just knows that from the tape. Not everyone grew up with the tape. Also, it is highly inappropriate when someone asks an honest question to make fun of them for not knowing the answer.
comlink: As far as I know, the reason you set them up away from you is so as to not be Ma’avir the Mitzvah. If you’re a righty, you should set up the one nearest your right hand, on your right. However, lighting that way isn’t practical because you might burn yourself when reaching across the candles you’ve already lit. Hence, you light them reverse.
shulchanhashalem: Actually, many held like that by lights on Yom Tov before they were completely Mevarer the Metzius. And what is your point? I could find you 100 places where no one holds like the Mechaber or the Rama or the Mishnah Berurah. What does that prove?
The two Pshatim Peshutim are that she was either a Penuyah Tehorah or that it was not Derech Chibah. The tiny problem with the second Pshat is that the Rambam seems to imply that Nishuk is categorically Derech Chibah, but it could still be that that wouldn’t apply to Yaakov (or one could be Mechalek between a kiss on the cheek and other kisses, e.g.).
How old is he?
First the Rambam says that a woman should go to places like funerals and weddings and to do Chessed. Then he says that, however, she should not go out Stam more than once or twice a month as might be necessary for other purposes than those.
Lior: False. You distorted a Rambam to say what you wanted it to say. Please, quote the Rambam in full and tell us what you think it says and why.
PAA: That’s his favorite story. And yes, the Gemara is in Bechoros. And his Chavrusa for that story was R’ Mordechai Willig. So these were two budding Geonei Olam and the point is that unless you know Shas, there might always be another Gemara that would totally change the answer.
R’ Schachter is not a real fan of either. His main critique of the MB is #6 that PAA just said. And his main critique of the AH is that his Mehalach through the Sugyos is very often Mechudash and against Rishonim.
R’ Schachter is also famous for saying that when there is a Machlokes between the MB and the AH, you should Pasken by whoever is right. And if you’re not yet Higia L’hora’ah (which according to R’ Schachter means you know all of Shas and are holding in the Rishonim and Achronim in this particular Sugya) then who gave you the right to choose between the two anyway.
It’s funny (and sad) because some hold that a Chanukah-like miracle happened 66 years ago while others hold it was a pre-Chanukah-like tragedy.
So, to answer the question, no, it can’t happen again. Because even if it does no one will agree on whether it actually happened or not.
Lior: Tehillim, I apologize. So I assume that you are blindly Mapkid on every concept referenced in Nach without thinking about the context. So, off the top of my head, you set aside some time every day to love, hate, collect stones, scatter stones, make war, make peace, etc.? You hand a woman fruit that came out of her hands? (I really wish I knew Mishlei and Tehillm better so I could make more ridiculous references.) You go out to meet armies approaching on horseback mentioning the name of God? You habitually look up to the sky asking for help?
I made my point. Context is everything. One cannot blindly quote Nach. By doing so, one tramples on the very lessons that Nach is meaning to teach. Yes, Kol Kevudah has meaning. No, it does not mean that we lock women indoors.
Lior: Kol Kevudah is in Nach (Mishlei, I think), not Chumash. And did you see your own citation? Apparently not.
Learn Torah.
Lior: That’s for Stam wandering around. When there’s a purpose there’s no issue. Read the Rambam you’re citing.
jack: They are both good, but from the many people who went to both that I know, the average guy at KBY can probably learn a bit better than the average ToMo guy. But they’re both better than your average first-year Beis Medrash program.
It’s a B’feirush Gemara (I’m blanking where, maybe towards the end of Brachos) that Kares is worse. Kares means dying before 50. Misah Bidei Shamayim is before 60. But if someone dies at exactly 52 it’s not considered Misah Bidei Shamayim.
Ivdu: There are 3 levels. Super-Lechatchilah is at Kedushah. Next-level is when Chazaras HaShatz starts. And B’dieved is after about 2 seconds. That’s how the Achronim combine all the differences in the Rishonim (and you would have seen that in the Kitzur).
It’s towards the right end of “MO”. Most of the Rabbonim there are not of the “YU Hashkafa” but most of the guys go to YU. It’s a good place that always has guys who can learn on a high level. Most guys come from “Modern”/right-wing Modern high schools, but they’re all most of the top guys from their years.