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PAA: You have the Mohel give the Bris then refuse to pay because the Mohel is asking for money Shelo K’din. Then, off the top of my head, I think the order of preference would be Chanukah candle (Pirsumei Nisa) then bread. You don’t do the Shabbos candle because Shalom Bayis is irrelevant if there’s no food. You can make the Kiddush on the bread in such a scenario. The bet is Assur because Asmachta Lo Kanya and the friend thinks he’s right so you’d be stealing. The rest aren’t as Overes as the Ner Chanukah and the Seudas Shabbos.
ivory: If people like you existed in the 1950s we would still have smallpox killing 1-3 million people every single year. It’s obscene. Half a billion people died of smallpox in the 19th century. Half. A. Billion. That is more than 1.5 times the population of the US.
I’m not scared of your questions. Ask me any question about vaccinations. I’ll answer them. The OP didn’t ask any questions. The OP made a point that is absurd and I showed why. I was just pointing out, in very strong terms, that the OP’s assertions were ridiculous. Some things aren’t up for debate. The Holocaust is one. The effectiveness of vaccines is another.
DY: This is not technically an application of Godwin’s Law because I’m not comparing anything to the Holocaust; I’m comparing something to Holocaust denial. And even so, I’d jump to Godwin’s Law pretty darn quickly with refusal to vaccinate. There was an episode of Law&Order where the DA charged a parent who refused to vaccinate with reckless endangerment and involuntary manslaughter after kids in the playground died of the measles which they contracted from their kid. Someday soon an actual AD is going to have the guts to actually do that and it will be well-deserved. Refusal to vaccinate endangers lives in so many ways. It’s absurd that some people believe it’s all a hoax. I honestly had someone once tell me that polio never existed and that it is just revisionist history to get us to believe Big Pharma. It’s insane and it actually kills people.
Some “debates” are just not worth discussing. See what happens when I just replace a few words.
STEP 1-THE FACTS:
1. Those who are pro that the Holocaust happened can easily hide behind the shield of condemning all anti-ers as radical and reform.
2. Holocaust deniers may very well be the result of radicalness, cynicsm, and distrust.
3. All Jews, and most others are likely scared of any truth there may be in the claims of the deniers. Should it turn out the the claims of the deniers are correct, they can never forgive themselves for the problems wrought by their own hands.
4. Many of the believers do not engage in debate with the deniers, usually offering some buzz phrase, like, ‘you’re an anti-Semite,’ usually after denying any contrary evidence whatsoever.
5. If the believers are right, there is no logical reason why they should not, calmly, and factually, defend their position.
STEP 2: THE HYPOTHESIS:
There is more validity to the deniers’ points that the believers would like to admit, yet they are subconciously pre-progammed, brainwashed, even, to uphold the decades-old belief, lest it turns out that they have been responsible for compromising on the integrity of world and German history.
STEP 3: THE RESEARCH: I’m stuck. YWN CR doesn’t allow such topics.
Here are the facts: refusal to vaccinate has led to hundreds, if not thousands, of deaths and major problems in children in this country in the last decade. They are the most rigorously tested things in the world, especially in America. Sometimes responding to others claims does more harm than good. Giving legitimacy to anti-vaccines is horrible, just like giving legitimacy to Holocaust deniers is.
The typos.
Lior: Avram is correct. Those were assumptions in every marriage. Nowadays it’s never an assumption, so the wife isn’t M’shabed herself to them. Presumably she never knew these “obligations” existed. It would probably be easier for a woman in such a marriage to receive a Psak of “Mekach Ta’us” than it is for a man to get these obligations enforced.
PAA: I disagree. Chazal were Mattir Mishum Tza’ar, but once they were Mattir this case they didn’t look after your Kavanos. Mapis Mursa L’hotzi Leicha is Muttar.
DY: I’m pretty sure your report card is going to receive a very harsh note for plagiarism. You didn’t even bother to correct my typos. (Es Chata’ai Anochai Mazkir Hayom.)
Lior: And what if she’s better than all of the men?
Care to share with thread and which posts?
Why isn’t the Prisha’s mother on that list?
I don’t know who the Alei Tamar is, but the Tzitz Eliezer’s mother (grandmother? I don’t remember) probably also qualifies.
Lior: Not every MK is in the public shpere. Presumably a Tzanua Chareidi woman who is an MK would avoid being on television and magazines and such as much as possible.
MDG: Pashtus should be there is no issue of S’rara by a democratically elected official. People are allowed to accept a woman (binding arbitration) themselves. Now, we can debate about the majority forcing the woman on the minority, but that’s separate.
rob: It is not at all clear that any Rishonim believe that it is Muttar to do it in such a way, even as a Sha’as Hadchak. Maybe if we find out 100 years later that this was how it was done we wouldn’t Passel the kids. But we would say that she is not Jewish Mikan Ul’haba (which would Passel her kids if we knew about it beforehand).
DY: 🙂
DY: I have said that to him, trust me.
PAA: Fascinating, he misrepresents R’ Uziel as well. That’s important.
I saw an Eitza from a YCT graduate that might actually work, by the way. If you put a button on the bottom of the Mikvah (that is impossible to reach without being fully submerged) that rings a bell outside the room when pushed, then it could be that according to most Shittos the B”D hearing the bell is just as good as R’iyah. It’s certainly a better idea that what either Katz or Fox has said so far.
rob: If we’re not great enough to reject an opinion then we are certainly not great enough to Pasken like it against bigger opinions.
Nisht: Be fair and don’t drag “Modern Orthodoxy” into this. The vast majority of self-identifying “MO” Jews think this is a perversion of Torah.
Lior: Meh. This isn’t Chukas Akum because there is no religious reason behind the Christians giving gifts. They just do it because it’s a way to get kids excited about the holiday. Which is actually a Mitzvah D’oraisa of V’samachta B’chagecha. So, if anything, the Christians giving gifts came from us (or, more likely, because of the fact that it’s a very logical concept).
rob: That is exactly what R’ Lipman said.
And no, not every Shittah suddenly becomes something that can be relied upon B’dieved. Sometimes Shittos are rejected.
And yes, in comparison to the Gedolei Olam that were R’ Moshe and R’ Ovadia I am minimizing R’ Uziel. It is nothing against him in the slightest. He was a tremendous Talmid Chacham. There was just others on a level greater than him who outweigh his opinion significantly.
rob: That’s absurd. Not every Shittah is meant to be relied upon. You can find a Shittah who will say whatever you want. That’s not a “Yesh Al Mi Lismoch”. R’ Moshe vs R’ Ovadia is a Yesh Al Mi Lismoch. This isn’t. Paskening is about recognizing your place and the place of those much greater than you.
PBA: No, when a Daf Yomi Rabbi thinks he’s a Groisse Gaon you get statements like, “R’ Ovadia Yosef missed a Ramban” and the willingness to Pasken like the Mishpitei Uziel over the combined opinions of R’ Ovadia, R’ Moshe, and the Minchas Yitzchak.
Lior: Actually, engagement rings came from Judaism.
Chochom-ibber: I have seen enough Shidduchim broken up over the Chassan asking for a too-expensive Shas (and the Kallah expecting a too-expensive ring). It’s just stupid. It’s a nice custom. If they can’t afford it, that shouldn’t cause fights in the family.
DY and PBA: I, for one, doubt that Rabbi Lipman actually read the Tshuvah. He was probably Somech on Jeffrey Fox’s and Ysoschor Katz’s gross misrepresentation of R’ Moshe’s Tshuvah. Which is certainly misguided, but not malicious.
DY: He didn’t make it up. Lots of people read R’ Moshe like that. I haven’t looked into whether they’re all wrong (I think they are) but he is probably relying on others, not making things up.
I have a better Kashya. Why is a Chalal attempting to do the Avoda (who doesn’t know he’s a Chalal) not a Toeh Bidvar Mitzvah?
At least he has Smicha. I do agree that he overstepped his bounds (by a lot) here and hope he retracts.
Style: Without commenting on the particular case, Chukas Akum is not dependent on your personal intentions. Also, according to how we Pasken your teacher is probably right about Adar.
Ivdu: You don’t want to quote the Gemara? It says K’kelev Hashav Al Ki’o. Anyway, I’m not sure which post of mine you’re referring to. But the amount of time you are supposed to wait is approximately 2 seconds. It’s hard not to do that unless you’re trying to run forward really immediately, which I suppose is the point.
I would say you absolutely did the right thing.
Though Hinduism is very complex and it’s not so Pashut that it’s actually Avodah Zarah. But L’ma’aseh it’s very likely that it is.
catch yourself: Are you sure? I thought it explicitly says lose eyesight. The 1/500th line you’re thinking of is about a P’siah Gasa.
This whole thread is absurd. Is anyone here the head of Torah Umesorah? Then why is anyone talking as if they know what every single Jewish school is like? Everyone’s experience here is so limited and yet everyone is taking their limited experience and extrapolating it to everywhere. It’s possible (probable) that everyone commenting on “what schools are like” are correct in their own experience and yet very wrong because their own experience doesn’t extend to the hundreds (thousands?) of Jewish schools around the country and around the world.
Peiyos might be enough to be a Rebbe but it doesn’t make one a Rabbi.
It’s funny, I though having Peiyos just meant one wasn’t Oveir on the Issur D’Oraisa of Bal Takif…
PAA: There’s a blog post floating around somewhere about the pomegranate thing and had some fascinating yet potentially irrelevant results from a study. Google for it.
DY: Machlokes Rishonim
DY: If she wants to learn and asks you to teach her, that’s no different than her learning on her own. The point is that the impetus came from her, not was forced upon her.
DY: A man shouldn’t teach his daughter is analogous to the way that a man must teach his son. You have to teach your son Torah SB”P even if he doesn’t want to. You can’t do that with your daughter. If she wants to learn on her own, that’s perfectly fine.
VE: Other people having said disturbing things (and the Bn Gurion quote is taken out of context) doesn’t make it okay to do disturbing things in the future.
simcha: The simple reading of the SH”A is not that it’s Assur for men to teach women. Rather it’s that it’s Assur to force a girl to learn Gemara but she can choose to of her own volition.
I’d rather not die.
showjoe: Rabbeinu Yonah says explicitly not like that. What you said is true for someone who’s just Over Aveiros every once in a while. A real Rasha there is a Mitzvah to hate. As a person.
VE: Even if you hold that, “explaining to the Goyim” doesn’t mean attending Holocaust denial conferences and having public meetings with people who have stated that they want to wipe us out.
VE: They were. Several times. Aside from the Golden Age of Spain, Sephardim in arab lands were treated as Dhimmi (basically a status halfway between an Eved Ivri and an Eved K’naani) and there were several mass expulsions that caused widespread death and wholesale theft of everything. Learn history.
PBA: I saw it reported on something called edited. I tried to research if it was a satire site but couldn’t find anything about it anywhere. It seems too much like satire (along with other stuff on that site) to actually be real.
Oh good. You already excluded yourself from Klal Yisrael. No need for us to say it.
Reading PAA’s posts, I often wonder if I’m PAA. He talks exactly like me, except that he cuts-and-pastes full sources.
secretagent: I don’t think that’s correct. If a Shoteh has a Din of a Rodef being a Shoteh doesn’t save him from being a Rodef. It’s Matzilin Oso B’nafsho, even if the Rodef is a Shogeg or Ones.
I’m pretty sure I know who Joseph is. Which means that you can’t speak LH about anyone in the CR, because we’re all Joseph. (Wait, was that LH about Joseph?)
What PBA said.
Also, I couldn’t help but feel that this was very WBC-esque http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/272392/photos-neturei-karta-visit-family-of-arab-egged-bus-driver-who-hung-himself-which-caused-riots.html
Randomex is correct about his Shluchei Mitzvah Chiluk, I believe.
The Gemara says it’s impossible for a Shliach Mitzvah to be harmed, yet quotes a story that it did. The only answer is in the Olam HaEmes, not here.
There is, however, a difference between a Hezek that is solely Min Hashamayim and one that came through others utilizing their own Bechira, according to some Rishonim.
Is it a given that the 5th (you only mention 4 in the clues) pet is a fish? Or is the potential answer “I can’t know because you never told me that one of them owns a fish”?
I didn’t see this thread or CY’s response two days ago, but my initial response to seeing the thread title was that Dan Quayle joined the CR.