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The Nosei Keilim on the Shulchan Aruch discuss this exact question. I think the answer they give is that if it’s real it’s not Assur. The Issur is assigning significance to non-significant times. I think R’ Schachter’s son had a Shiur on this on YUTorah about a month ago. The Poskim talk about this in Even HaEzer where it talks about only getting married in the first half of the month.
nitpicker: The population of those who won’t eat turkey is growing, actually. Brisk is bigger than it ever was before. I know of a growing cadre of guys in the Mir who won’t eat turkey. Even in YU there is a chunk of guys who won’t eat it, since a bunch of them hold of Brisker Chumros (because they are Talmidim of Talmidim of R’ Soloveitchik).
Akuperma: You ignored what I said. The rennet comes from the stomach lining (it isn’t present in muscle or fat tissue), which doesn’t have a Din of anything because it isn’t food. Thus, it wouldn’t be Treif even if from a Treif animal. You also ignored where I pointed out that there are still those today who don’t eat turkey.
I once thought that the Aggada at the top of Chullin 88a (maybe it was 98a) is a strong Ra’aya against Shittas Hatosfos that you need 4 strings. Sometimes when I think about it it feels like an ironclad proof and sometimes it just feels silly.
Gamanit: It’s not real Ever Min Hachai unless there is a full Ever, with Basar, Gidim, V’atzamos. So this would be Basar Min Hachai.
Akuperma: You should stop presuming and look things up. Those who are Mattir using real rennet hold it’s okay because the rennet isn’t considered meat. Since it’s taken from the stomach lining, they hold it was a Din of “Or” and animal skins aren’t Treif since they are inherently inedible (with the exception of pig flesh).
And it would be hard to Assur a potato before they knew it existed. My point was that those who heard of it and said it was Chametz Gamur (if anyone had ever said that) must have never actually seen one.
And you are incorrect in your history about turkeys as well. No one ever held it was a Treif bird. It is plain to see that the turkey has the Simanim of a Kosher bird. However, the Ashkenazi Minhag, as brought down in the Rama, is to not eat any bird unless we have a Mesorah that it is a Kosher bird, regardless of the Simanim. There was obviously never any Mesorah on turkeys so Ashkenazim didn’t eat it.
Ironically enough, Ashkenazim began eating turkey when they saw Sephardim eating them. They (erroneously) assumed that their Sephardi brothers must have had a Mesorah that a turkey was a Kosher bird and therefore they could rely on the Sephardi Mesorah. The Sephardim never had any such Mesorah; they just didn’t have the Chumra of the Rama to only eat a bird on which there is a Mesorah.
There is a post-facto Limud Z’chus on the Ashkenazim who began eating turkeys in that maybe the turkey is similar enough to a chicken that they can Halachically be considered just another species of chicken and therefore the Ashkenazi Mesorah on chicken allows us to eat turkey as well. (The SHU”T Chasam Sofer OC 127 has a reference to the “Sephardi chickens that are bigger than Ashkenazi ones”, a clear reference to turkey.) Many people today, most notably Briskers, hold that this logic is entirely illegitimate and that we obviously cannot rely upon the Sephardic non-Mesorah on this and therefore do not eat turkey.
Oomis: The only way someone could have considered potatoes Chametz Gamur is if they didn’t know what a potato was.
akuperma: You need to learn Basar B’chalav again. What you say is quite inaccurate.
LA: This wouldn’t have a Din of Kol HaYotzei… It’s Mamash a part of the animal that you just grew outside of it.
Davar Hama’amid would be a major issue if the animal was cloned after being dead. I think it would be Basar Min HaChai if they took the cells before the animal died. Or at least an Issur Asei of Eino Zavuach.
ben: Yes, so she shouldn’t call her husband and then there is always the “possibility” that her husband might randomly be on the way anyway. That’s fine even according to R’ Moshe. As long as she doesn’t know where he is she can assume he might show up any second.
PBA: That’s why I’m not dumb. I never read your posts.
How, then, do I ever know what your posts say? It’s simple. I have a dumb person read them first. If he thinks your post is intelligent, I tell him not to read it to me. If he thinks it’s dumb or doesn’t understand it, then I know it’s safe to read.
Gamanit: If the guy is a Goy who has no Hilchos Yichud to worry about himself, then Ba’alah Ba’ir should still be enough to make it not Yichud for the Frum woman, even if he himself would have a Din of Asakav Im HaNashim if he was Jewish (I think). But something about this doesn’t sit well with me. I’ll have to look into this again.
The straps of Tefillin have a Din of D’varim Shel Kedushah and not Mitzvah because you use the straps to make Shem HaShem.
Takahmamash: There were Poskim who held that different people in the same communities in Alaska should keep different days of Shabbos, for a few reasons. I think the SHU”T Shoel U’meishiv held that way. If you moved to Alaska from Europe you held Shabbos a day earlier and if you moved from American you held like America.
We had a thread on this already, didn’t we? I think Yitay started it last summer.
BPM: If it’s Kosher then it’s not Basar B’chalav.
Because R’ Yonasan clearly thought there was nothing wrong with it. Otherwise he wouldn’t have defended himself. He would have admitted to being wrong.
And the Shulchan Aruch doesn’t use the word “Muttar” for breathing either. You don’t need a Heter to do something that isn’t Assur. Lack of an Issur means that there’s nothing wrong with doing it.
HaKatan: The reason by two women is that they won’t tell on each other. Another reason is that they might be willing to be involved. There is an assumption that two sisters won’t be involved together. So it depends on which reason. The Mechaber brings down covering for each other. But other Poskim bring down that if they won’t get involved together then they’ll be embarrassed in front of each other.
Okay. I will try once more to go through this for you step by step.
R’ Yonasan let his Tzitzis drag on the floor in a cemetery. R’ Chiya asked him how he could let that happen, it’s Lo’eg LaRash. R’ Yonasan replied that the Meisim don’t know what’s going on so there’s no Lo’eg LaRash. Now, clearly both of them hold that there was no problem with the Tzitzis being on the floor in general, because if there was either R’ Chiya or the Gemara would have said so.
How is this not a Ra’aya B’rurah that it’s Muttar?
HaKatan is wrong. 2 women with one man is always Yichud. If the two women are sisters, it’s a Machlokes Achronim (the Tzitz Eliezer brings down both Tzdadim in 6:39:21, if I recall correctly).
And Ben, isn’t Ba’aleh Ba’ir enough? I mean, you can always add more reasons by leaving doors open and stuff, but Ba’alah Ba’ir should be Mattir by itself.
HaLeiVi: And we all know the Rambam’s famous comment about Midrashim. 🙂 But on a serious note, I have never once claimed that Secular Zionism was a good thing or that it was good for the Jewish community. It had its tragedies, for sure. But I am of the opinion that something positive (not perfect, but positive) came out of the early Zionist movements and that we have to be thankful for what HKBH gave us in Eretz Yisrael now. I am not attempting to be an apologist or to defend Secular Zionism in any way. I am just forced to appear that way because of the ridiculous extreme assertions being made here.
The whole strength of our faith is in mesorah, the faithful transmission of the Torah from Rebbi to talmid. Otherwise, anyone can make up anything they want and ch”V make a mockery of the Torah.
Now, if you want to take a different Rebbi with an equally valid mesorah from his Rebbi then that is one thing. But to invent your own new mesorah is quite another thing.
That is clearly not historically true. Sometimes circumstances called for new outlooks on things. Otherwise I will wait for your threads decrying Chassidus along with Zionism.
That is among the weakest answers to a question that I’ve ever heard and I sincerely doubt the Satmar Rav ever said it. The Rambam lists what he considers Apikorsus as well. He lists everything. A simple dismissal like that is disrespectful to the Rambam and anyone who’s ever attempted to learn him.
And HaKatan, it is the exact opposite. The Rambam brought down every single line in Shas and other Midrashei Chazal that he felt were Halachically relevant. If he didn’t bring this line down, it’s because he felt that they weren’t Halachically relevant. It’s not a simple dismissal of the Gemara. The Rambam assuredly had reason to dismiss the Gemara. We may never know what it is, but we can try and figure it out. It is clear, though, that the Rambam didn’t hold that the Shevuos were Halachah L’ma’aseh.
And your dismissing of this type of question as “academic” and not actually relevant is a gross insult to the Rambam. According to your line of thinking, you can Pasken like any Gemara you want because the Rambam not bringing it down does not demonstrate that he thinks it isn’t Halachah. That’s absurd. It’s beyond absurd. It’s a mockery of actual learning.
No one says that the Shevuos aren’t brought down by anyone. The Maharal that you love to cite certainly held that they are valid Halachic concerns. Why can’t you just admit that there are Shittos (the Rambam included) that don’t hold of them? Are you so insecure in your anti-Zionism that you have to be Megaleh Panim BaTorah just to think that every Rishon and Acharon ever agreed with it?
There is a Midrash that says it was him. I don’t know if that’s Muskam for all the Midrashim though. In fact, I think this Midrash (that it was the same person) is quoted in the Little Midrash Says on Shoftim.
Look, just because you think it’s a Bizayon of the Mitzvah doesn’t make it so. They are wearing the Tallis to fulfill the Mitzvah and that’s what they’re doing. Would you rather they not do the Mitzvah? That they be so preoccupied on tucking their Tzitzis into something that they not concentrate on Davening? Wearing the Tzitzis and proudly showing it (unless you have a Minhag not to) is the greatest Kavod you can give to it. The only way it would be a Bizayon would be if the floor was muddy or something like that.
It’s a good proof. If it was Assur and he did it, the Gemara would have said so, like it does whenever any of the Amoraim do anything wrong. Instead, the Gemara comments on why he did it in a cemetery.
I had a post planned but yehudayona beat me to it.
Oh! I got it! The premise of this thread is Chukas Akkum!
Interesting. I can see a serious Halachic issue with the Kallah thinking that she is obligated to give a gift in the Yichud room.
HaKatan: To be fair, not being mentioned in the Rambam is kinda a big deal. There are plenty of places for the Rambam to put the Shevuos in Hilchos Melachim. If he didn’t bring them down, it means he held they have no Halachic relevance.
WIY: Actually, that would be Assur. What right do you have to alter someone’s personal property? You would owe him for whatever the loss of browsing speed cost him.
Chacham: I’m shocked that you read the Seforim Blog (though there is a lot of great stuff on there; Menachem Butler is an absolute genius). But that is a good thing to see. Interesting. I’ve seen the letter so many places and never heard anyone say it wasn’t legit. It was about the elections and not Hallel though. I did forget that part.
HaLeiVi: Be careful how you say that though. R’ Aharon would say such a thing when he has backup for it and thinks it’s the Emes, not just willy-nilly. He believes that there is Chochmah in what the Goyim do and believes that many Rishonim and Acharonim thought this as well (we know for a fact that the Rambam did). And I believe I once heard that he very strongly disagreed with Elman’s theory that anything Halachic ever came from Persian influence (with the possible exceptions of Shuman HaGid and waiting 7 days for Dam K’chardal).
Now, that is not to say that it was unanimous. The Brisker and Satmar Rovs most famously, along with many others, were opposed to the state before, during, and after its inception. But there were many who felt that the state was a good thing when it first happened.
I’m sure if you searched the news every month you can find many more things. I’m not sure what you’re trying to prove.
The letter is authentic. As was the letter about saying Hallel on Yom Ha’atzma’ut in 1949. It was signed by people like R’ Shlomo Zalman Auerbach, R’ Elyashiv, R’ Kahaneman, and others. I think I once saw a reproduction of it on the internet but I don’t remember where.
DM: You forgot R’ Hertzog, R’ Aviner, R’ Avraham Shapiro, R’ Kook’s son and grandsons, R’ Shlomo Zalman Auerbach (there were things he didn’t like for sure but he had some pretty positive comments), R’ Yat”z Rimon, R’ Melamed, R’ Yoffin, and many more I could list but I don’t want to get into a shouting match of “my Gadol’s bigger than your Gadol” and “Oh, he’s just a Zionist anyway” and “he never approved of Zionism”.
I referenced that M”B earlier. He’s against the Gemara.
CAD: You’re lucky the Mods don’t get that reference because there is no way it should have been allowed through.
HaKatan: As I have told you before, look at the SHU”T Yabiya Omer OC 6:41 and 42 and then admit that there are opinions that the Medinah is a good thing.
Popa: My Makor still applies. Look it up.
Chacham: I saw it once. I don’t remember precisely where but it was in the Biur HaGra on Shulchan Aurch and had the word “Mefuteh” in it. Bar Ilan should be able to find it.
PBA: That is not what it means when it says you’re allowed to lie in learning. See the Yam Shel Shlomo Bava Kama 4:9.
Also see Bava Metzia 23a.
pixelate: And the Gra says some pretty strong things about that Shittah of the Rambam.
The Gemara is a perfect Ra’aya. If the issue was that it’s always Assur, then the Gemara should have said so. The fact that it asks from Lo’eg LaRash means it’s only Assur in a cemetery.
See Kesubos 17a and the Rishonim there as well as the Rishonim on Bava Metzia 61a (give or take).
WIY: To be fair, most of the things they’ve made fun of have been extreme examples that almost no one does. But I agree, there were things they made fun of so far that they shouldn’t have.
rob: There is a similar P’sak in the T’shuvos V’hanhagos. R’ Moshe Shternbuch says that it’s Assur for women to smoke because it’s Begged Ish. I found that the law in South Africa until the 1970s was that it was illegal for women to smoke in public. Presumably, the concept of a woman smoking was so foreign to him that he found it inconceivable. Perhaps if he had been familiar with other places and known that women could smoke, he wouldn’t have said the same.
Oh Schreck: There is a difference between Ruach HaKodesh and prophesy. There is nothing insulting or belittling about saying they did not know the course that world history would take decades in the future. If they did, presumably they would have found a way to avoid the Holocaust and still keep everyone Frum.
The Gra said that Sheidim no longer exist.
It’s because too many women drive cars.
rob: Presumably R’ Chaim holds that they are. There are opinions like that.
And from Wikipedia:
In the early 1900s, the wristwatch, originally called a Wristlet, was reserved for women and considered more of a passing fad than a serious timepiece. Men, who carried pocket watches, were quoted as saying they would “sooner wear a skirt as wear a wristwatch”.[4]
Torah: He’s not racist per se. He just hates the Syrians because they don’t like Geirim. Then again, he also equates Apikorsim with real Rabbonim so I don’t know why he’s worth commenting on. Or why he’s even allowed on this site.