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YY: Most of the country voted against Hillary.
JosephParticipantMammele, while he identifies as Orthodox, he’s never been frum. His eating out on his birthday and other times at non-kosher restaurants with his wife and father-in-law, as well as numerous other public violations of Jewish law (including her mode of dress), have been well reported over the years.
JosephParticipantAnyone with smicha themselves has the halachic right to convey smicha on anyone else.
JosephParticipantTelegrams existed until fairly recently with Western Union.
Telex is an electronic telegraph machine many offices had that could send a message to other Telex machines.
JosephParticipantTrump, and his father Fred, have a long-time reputation through many decades as being ohev yisroel.
JosephParticipantChazal say that women would rather marry anyone than to marry no one.
JosephParticipantWhat are “sects of Judaism”? The mussar movement? Modern Orthodoxy? Reform?
JosephParticipantyichusdik, you’re welcome.
lilmod, what would you do if, hypothetically, Rav Chaim told you to marry Yankel Doe? (I’m hoping you’d immediately ask Rav Chaim if he could be mesader keddushin.)
JosephParticipantWhy do you want to wear them so badly that you care if they aren’t allowed? Are there not enough other choices in footwear?
JosephParticipantSending a telex, telegram, pagers, walkmans, CRT monitors, mainframes, dial up modems, floppy discs (3.5″ or 5.25″), Polaroid instant cameras, record players, tape recorders, ham radio, transistor radio.
JosephParticipantThat’s a decision for the beis din to deliberate and decide on in individual cases. It isn’t a decision a coach potato can judge in the abstract. There are certainly cases where someone is inappropriately electing to not get married, and the relevant halachos previously mentioned including the power of beis din to act apply. And there are certainly cases where an individual is unable to marry, perhaps for the reason you mentioned or for a number of other reasons, and beis din will recognize that handicap and accept those limitations.
JosephParticipantDM: Rav Pam did not relate the story as the poster recited it here with details not mentioned by Rav Pam. Hence the half true point.
JosephParticipantThank you Jimmy Carter! 😉
JosephParticipantI, too, agree that mods should not be inserting their opinions or other non-administrative comments appended to the bottom of other posters comments. They should only post personal opinions as a separate comment of their own.
And even then I think if it is only their opinion of a general matter under discussion, and not an administrative note, it would be more appropriate for them to post it under their non-mod username rather than relying on their moderator authority to post personal opinions on general issues. But even if they post it as a separate comment under their moderator login that would be a far better alternative than sticking their opinions attached to the body of other members’ comments.
We know, you’ve mentioned this before. Feel free to set those parameters on your own site 🙂 VhM”Y
JosephParticipantLenny, considering you’re planning on signing the new agreement when you return, it sounds like you’ve accepted the inevitability of the outcome at this point.
JosephParticipantLenny, has anything progressed or changed in your interaction with the beis din or your spouse since the hearing? Are you still in your residence? The allegation of being afraid you’d use the guns on her is something you never heard alleged before the beis din session? Did anyone prompt or coach her into making that allegation?
You mentioned they had the hearing and issued their verdict all in one day’s session. Was the formal decision given to you in writing or only verbally? Were you also provided copies of the agreements you signed? Were they in English or Hebrew? What did they say?
JosephParticipantlilmod, if he doesn’t want to get married altogether, let alone to a particular girl, then beis din can force him to marry a particular girl in the absence of him choosing one.
JosephParticipantmw13, Shulchan Aruch paskens that beis din can force someone to marry if he reaches the age and still doesn’t want to marry.
JosephParticipantHow’s that much different than the old Jewish tradition of the father of the boy making an agreement with the father of the girl to marry their kids to each other in X number of years, when the kids themselves are currently young children?
JosephParticipantHow’s that any different than being at one’s point in life of refraining from eating non-kosher?
JosephParticipantiac, dating or remarriage?
JosephParticipantShe probably figured sleepovers are worse than being a man, so cited that reason first.
JosephParticipantI don’t think it is appropriate to say her having had no kids was a positive attribute.
Oh please
JosephParticipantJosephParticipantA father can marry off his daughter, during certain ages, without her permission.
JosephParticipant“I don’t know.”
Halacha says it isn’t allowed.
JosephParticipantShe was unaware that Moshiach has to be a man?
JosephParticipantSchools using Ivrit in America, where the kids do not speak Ivrit at home unlike in Israel where the kids do speak Ivrit at home, would at most be like sending kids to a Yiddish speaking school when the kids don’t speak (or know) Yiddish at home.
You can’t compare it to Israel, since in Israel those kids speak Ivrit at home and all day long.
JosephParticipantFutureP: Trump won a majority of the vote in KJ.
JosephParticipantThe Shulchan Aruch rules that beis din can physically coerce a person to marry against his will. So Rabbi Schachter isn’t making a chiddush here.
Rabbi Schachter’s speech making this statement that a Posek can order two people to marry each other is available to hear directly from him as the shiur he said it at is available as a recording on yutorah’s site.
During the same shiur, Rabbi Schachter said whom to marry, whom to vote for and what line of parnassa a person should choose are all halachic shailos within the purview of Daas Torah that a Posek is deputized to issue binding halachic rulings for a person to follow.
JosephParticipantI’d be very shocked if I am chosen to be Moshiach. I think y’all would be too.
So maybe Geordie’s right after all.
JosephParticipantDa’as Torah – What Are Its Halachic Parameters In Non Halachic Issues
Speaker: Rabbi Hershel Schachter
Date: Feb 13, 2014
Relevant comment at 1:14:30
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JosephParticipantThe author who quoted RHS, that LB referenced in the OP, wrote:
“I saw R. Schachter and asked him about this matter. He reaffirmed his position, stating that whom one marries is a halakhic matter and therefore a posek can indeed tell you whom you must marry. He added that this is almost always theoretical since in order to make such a ruling the posek would need to know both the bride and groom for many years so as to be sure that what he is saying is correct. But he also insisted that if the posek does have the requisite knowledge he can indeed give a binding pesak about whom one must marry.”
JosephParticipantMy understanding of Rabbi Schachter is that he indeed said a Posek could theoretically issue a halachicly binding ruling that Person X must marry Person Y.
JosephParticipantWhat does mais mitzvah, in the title, have to do with the OP?
JosephParticipantYou’ve personally returned a number of items from where?
JosephParticipantDY, I also understood the comment as you did initially. But now I’m thinking that when he wrote “I stated the abuse charges were never raised before this hearing” he meant the claim of abuse was never discussed/raised before/”in front of” this hearing/panel, rather than “before” meaning “prior” to this hearing.
JosephParticipantLenny, what was the reason or basis they told you they reached the verdict/decision they issued?
JosephParticipantThey are generally checked and returned the same day.
JosephParticipantWhy is miniskirts harder than sleeveless?
And how’s the MB’s read better?
JosephParticipantToday is 1/15/17. If the case was only heard today, how did they issue a verdict the same day? Are you living in your marital home currently? What was the basis you were told that you’re being ordered to surrender your assets and pay alimony?
JosephParticipantWhich beis din is this?
JosephParticipantbenignuman, replace sleeveless in my above comment with miniskirt, and still yes?
JosephParticipantbenignuman, if their definition of modesty includes sleeveless in the streets/office, and their community views that as modest (but if it goes uncovered more than to the shoulder then immodest) whereas the secular American world has an even lower definition of modesty in this regard, you see that as halachicly okay?
JosephParticipantWasn’t plain strawberries once more common in the homes of ehrliche yidden?
JosephParticipantDepending as to what its halachic status is, what potentially would you practically do differently depending on the answer?
JosephParticipantIt’s always been the norm for the initial contact, until dating was underway, to be conducted between the shadchan and parents.
You are using the term ‘always’ very loosely
JosephParticipantDoesn’t a fire pump have an interesting halachic status?
JosephParticipantSkulener Rebbe
Rav Chaim
Rav Aharon Leib
Rav Shmuel Auerbach
Gerrer Rebbe
(in no particular order)
JosephParticipant“There’s no mitzvah to live in America, either.”
Sure there is, if they’ll be better Jews there than elsewhere.
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