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They need to be checked twice every seven years, not once.
LB: Hamon Am is “the general public”.
benignuman: “The question is how far you can go theoretically. I don’t know.”
So as far as you know, anything leaving anything above the elbows/knees uncovered could be considered as going too far outside halacha.
(Our last posts crossed.)
The Radak (Sefer HaMichlol, introduction) writes that Loshon HaKodesh is all but forgotten to us, and all we have left is what is in Tanach.
Modern Hebrew is not different than Turkish or Farsi – it is the language of a secular culture complete with all those things that we want to stay away from. The fact that some of those who speak Modern Hebrew are religious Jews is not different than the language of any country Jews are in where they speak the language of the land. The point is to stay away from the language of the land and only talk the language of the Jew.
The Chasam Sofer notes that while Chazal used many words and phrases borrowed from the Greeks and Romans, they never coined a new word, as has been done in modern hebrew, for in their holy opinion it was preferable to use other languages rather than create even a single new word that did not have its like, its example, in the Torah, since it could not be rooted in sanctity.
The Chasam Sofer EH 2:11 says that in ancient times Jews used to use a modified version of the non-Jewish languages for everyday (divrei chol) talk, similar to what Yiddish is. The Kuzari writes that Avrohom Avinu, therefore, spoke 2 different languages. One for holy speech – that was Loshon HaKodesh, and the other for mundane speech – that, the Kuzari says was some non-Jewish language that Avrohom Avinu took and changed around a little on his own. And thats the idea behind Yiddish. It is a non-Jewish language that we took and twisted a bit in order to make it exclusive among us.
The Rambam writes that even in the days of Ezra they had a translator to explain the Torah readings to the people – clearly, they did not speak Loshon Hakodesh, even before the Churban.
The Chasam Sofer writes that the reason Jews do not speak Loshon Hakodesh as a speaking language is because it is inappropriate to use a holy language while enveloped in Tumah, which is our current status. The Rambam writes that a love song in Hebrew is more repulsive to Hashem than the same song in Arabic, for instance, because the pollution of the Holy language is an additional crime. If someone wants to store pornography in his house, thats bad enough. But to store it in the Aron HaKodesh is unspeakably worse. So to cause Loshon HaKodesh to be used as a street language, complete with all the disgusting ways it is used today in Israel, is just more of a reason why we should make sure it never gets into the streets. For our Creator to look down at the world and see His holy language – or even elements of it – used in magazines such as are sold in Kiosks on Yaffo or Dizengoff Street, or spoken by the lowest of the low trying to make a sale, is not something that he or we are happy about.
1) Jewish children learned Torah for the last 2,000 years without learning to speak Ivrit.
2) Ivrit is a new language that didn’t even exist barely a hundred years ago.
3) Ivrit is not Loshon Kodesh.
4) Jewish children have successfully learnt Torah for over 2,000 years without learning Ivrit.
benignuman:
Can you explain your understanding of the differences in pritzus status or any daas yehudis differences or any other halachic status differences, if any, of a sleeveless shirt versus a short sleeve shirt or the difference in pritzus/daas yehudis/halachic status of a miniskirt versus a skirt that stops an inch above the knee?
gaw, where have you explained the difference in pritzus status of a sleeveless shirt versus a short sleeve shirt or the difference in pritzus status of a miniskirt versus a skirt that stops an inch above the knee?
gaw, please explain how sleeveless and/or miniskirts are or are not of the same “pritzus” status as any other garment that fails to completely cover everything above the elbow and/or above the knee.
benignuman, K-Cup: Please explain why it can never be the community “minhag”, and thus muttar, to wear sleeveless and/or miniskirts.
And then explain how sleeveless and miniskirts are halachicly different than any garment that shows any skin above the elbow and/or above the knee.
tantali, as you see from the halachic discussion herein, “nepotism” is not only acceptable within Judaism but it is often preferred.
LB: After Moshiach comes. The evil inclination the kitzur s”a quoted is referring to is that which is present when men and women converge together in a party atmosphere.
“Ask your LOR if they are pritzus or Da’as Yehudis in your community. Those are the reasons why it may be Assur.”
gaw, seriously? You’re uncertain whether sleeveless and/or a miniskirt is pritzus/assur for every Jewish woman everywhere?!
LB: Sitting, walking, going up stairs or getting into a car is no different than standing. If it must be covered while standing, by definition, it must be covered while sitting or any other movement. The point is that it must *always* be covered in public or when in the presence of non-family men.
gaw, the net result of taking your comments to its natural conclusion is that sleeveless and miniskirts aren’t necessarily assur in the street.
gaw, where is your cutoff? Sleeveless is halachicly assur? Short sleeves halfway between shoulder and elbow? Miniskirt assur? Why is halfway not always assur but sleeveless/miniskirt is?
The aforementioned halacha regarding the son being entitled to inherit his father’s position is certainly applicable in a Kehila.
Avi, that apocryphal story, even if it is half true, is said to take place in the CC’s home at his Shabbos table. NOT at a public gathering with masses of both genders in attendance, with music playing and the women dressed to be noticed.
Catch, that was only at the Tendler wedding, who was much more modern than the Feinstein family, and it was his decision to mix his friends and others. Not Rav Moshe, whose sons’ weddings had separate seating. Dr. Tendler met his wife at the New York Public Library, the shidduch wasn’t made through Rav Moshe.
In the 40s America wearing shatnes was also common among the Orthodox population. Mixed dancing in Young Israel’s were still common for another few decades past that. Many halachas were still not kept fully during those decades.
Halacha gives the son the right to inherit his father’s rabbanus, if I recall correctly.
There are Sefardish seforim that pasken that married and unmarried women must wear a full head covering (that leaves only the face visible.)
Or the Swiss Jews could move to America.
The Sridei Eish Vol 2, 8 rules that by gatherings, even which are not for matters of sanctity, men and women should sit separately so as not to mix.
The Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 149:1 (based on the Bach and Beis Shmuel) rules that “shehasimcho bimoinoi” is not said during the benching of a sheva brochos if men and women are seated in the same room because there is no simcha when the evil inclination is active. This is one of the basis that many contemporary poskim use to rule that there must be a mechitza at weddings and sheva brochos.
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K-cup, are your arguing that in some places where the “minhag” is for women to go in the street with a tank top (that has a high neckline) and a miniskirt, that it might not be a halachic problem to do so?
benig/gaw, am I reading you correctly in claiming that a woman going sleeveless in the public street is not necessarily assur/pritzus everywhere?! And pray tell where the S”A “doesn’t hold” that displaying the upper legs (i.e. shorts/miniskirt/swimwear) in the public street (or beach/mixed pool) is always assur/pritzus?
The most ideal situation is for Jews to live highly concentrated among acheinu bnei yisroel with as little interaction as possible with nochrim.
lilmod, if your number had been called, would you have reported to jury duty?
The police are still looking for her and the driver.
I’m more of a lurker than poster.
So Monsey should embark on an infrastructure building project to upgrade the public roads to support a much greater volume of vehicular and pedestrian traffic.
A beis din has jurisdiction over anyone. All Jews are subject to beis din. And anyone has a halachic right to take another Jew to beis din for a binding ruling.
Is there any halachic basis a beis din could stop a developer from building on his own property because neighbors don’t want the development?
squeak is the CR supercentenarian.
Hrmph, where was the band and red carpet for my tin anniversary over three months ago.
I love talking to myself. (The other two of you, don’t mind me please.)
Urban cities have no place to build. It is the normal course of real estate that suburban areas become more urban throughout the United States as the population grows. This isn’t unique to Monsey and Lakewood.
gaw, in this scenario of BMG that you’ve weaved in this thread, who do you imagine was the Rosh Yeshiva of BMG until the day before Mr. Aharon Kotler joined BMG’s administration as CEO?
Everyone in the CR, other than you and one other real poster, is Joseph.
WB squeak.
Traditionally, halachicly and normatively, (unless pre-agreed otherwise, which by far is the exception) shadchanim are only paid for a successful shidduch that results in a marriage.
If we are to follow halacha and not Israeli law, then anytime an Israeli soldier or jail warden shoots dead a handcuffed Arab, in Israeli jail after being convicted of murdering a Jew, the soldier or jail warden should be let off scot free every time it happens.
You’re obligated to get married.
Hypothetically, if an Israeli soldier shot dead an Arab who was already arrested, handcuffed and undressed, do you think such a soldier should be jailed for 10 or more years?
If you read the full article you’d notice that it falsely implied that home values are *falling* as a result of the changes.
In NY primary caregivers of children are exempted from jury service until the child reaches a certain age. Mailing back a copy of the child’s birth certificate is all that’s required.
So far I’ve seen no disagreements from the attorneys here (or others) that someone seeking to get dismissed, will get dismissed by claiming to be predisposed to find guilt against those accused or being able to use facial expressions to determine the case or being biased against certain ethnicities.
If “Judge A” would dismiss the attorney with a scheduling conflict, shouldn’t it follow that the same “Judge A” should also dismiss the business negotiator with a scheduling conflict?
“I raised my hand to indicate a conflict. The judge asked why and I explained that I was representing a client in a case starting Wednesday in US District Court starting Wednesday. I was immediately excused. It is far easier to get another juror than reschedule a Federal case.”
Would a judge similarly be as accommodating in excusing a prospective juror who is a business executive, who will have a scheduling conflict between the pending trial and an upcoming major corporate international deal negotiations where he was the critical negotiator and the deal could fall apart with any postponment?