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I think the idea that the Dinosaurs died in the mabul is a christian idea
Trump might be alot of things, but Anti-Semite he is not
A real anti-semite would not only not allow their daughter to marry a jew, let alone convert to one (One of the Nuremberg laws was to prohibit cohabitation between jews and aryans).
Housing subsidies are not the same as kollel subsidies. Unfortunatly with the high cost of housing, many israelis need housing subsidies and its not just DL who live in the settlements. Charedim and Chilonim live there too.
Most Israelis cannot live in Arad and need to live in the Tel Aviv and/or Jerusalem area because of jobs and other reasons.
So the Housing vs kollel argument is comparable
There was a frum Gym on Nostrand Ave (or at least had frum hours) but they ended it because the membership didnt want it, not because of lawsuits
A private “Kosher Gym” is legal meaning enforced dressed codes, seperate evengts etc. A public one is not
Depends who the audience is, for many people the more charedi lifestyle is not going to happend and they think judaism is like that. When they see a more moderate version where one can be more like everyone else and be relgious they are open to the idea more whereas they are not open to the idea of dressing and living in 18th century style. They might abhore Dvekas, Niggunim and Chazanusm music
However for the more Charedi people it is not good as it might more open them to the outside world
Lucille Roberts is a womens only gym and its perfectly legal in NYC
They are
Also the Public Facilities would have to allow the Chassid formerly known as Abe Stein or the Olympic Gold Medalist formerly known as Bruce Jenner during the female hours
The Y is a private institution, no different than a Shul or Yeshiva than doesnt allow women or non jews to enter
DY
I was actually suprised the Kingsbay Y only has 2 hours a week for men and 2 hours a week for women. I dont begrduge them for having seperate hours, I think they should have more if the people who belong want it. The Borough Park one has more hours. The Y is a private institution and can do whatever the members want
There are lots of things tax payers pay for that you cannot use. Should people pay for a Library if they dont go, Should people without Kids pay for schools?
Should we pay for EMS when we use Hatzolah?
Should people who dont drive pay for roads.
That is the price we pay for living in a free society, we have to pay for stuff we dont need and dont want.
Nobody is preventing anyone from using the pool, People are choosing not to use it.
Its 4 hours a week, not six
BTW I checked at the Kingsbay Y, they only have 2 hours a week for womens only and 2 hours a week for men only
Its $550 for a family of unlimted size for an entire year.
People seem to have no problem spending extra money on chumras because they feel its important, if they feel a pool is important they can spend the money
$550 is about $11 a week. Drink less coffee and go to the pool. Its a mitzvah to learn to swim, its not a mitzvah to drink Coffee.
Ive noticed on the main news paper there are picture-logs of people packing up and going to the Catskills for the summer. it is not cheap to go there. I know I dont go there. There is a place to save $550 and join the Y for all year round swimming
From the website
Fee Adjustments
The Boro Park Y is a community-based agency, and it is our goal to serve all the members, from infants through senior adults.
In the case of financial difficulty, scholarships may be arranged confidentially. There are no government funds to cover membership, and we ask all members who are applying for a scholarship to complete the forms entirely and truthfully. The scholarships offered are modest, to enable us to provide assistance to as many people who apply. Please submit the forms with as much information as you can provide so that the committee can treat your application with respect and consideration.
The Borough Park Y has resources for those who cannot afford the full amount to pay less. They even have a kollel family rate
Joseph is now a chassid of Rav Kook
And just for the record, in my neighborhood the pool does not have seperate swimming hours, those who want to go seperate swimming must go to the Y, and the Y near me costs more money than the one in BP
frum people didnt like EMS , so they started Hatzloh
Frum people didnt like Public School so they started the yeshiva system
frum people didnt like the Public bus service so they started their own bus (The B110 bus)
There is no reason a pool cannot be built in Williamsburg for the same reason, besides learning to swim is a HALACHA.
Dont think Giverim in Williamsvburg are strongly urged to put their money in certain charities, there is no reason some of that money cant be used for a pool (The pool could be built in the basement of a Shul or Yeshiva with a seperate entrance)
I was recently in Williamsburg, I saw alot of construction there, There isnt a shortage of money to build stuff and if a Y is desired to be build, it could surely be built. There are enough people who can afford to pay for this and its no big deal for them.
Here are the dues to the Borough Park Y, they seem very reasonable to me. About the same as shul dues. I got it right off the Borough park Y site. It includes access to the gym as well
Annual Membership Dues
FAMILY
a) Parents and all children age 18 and younger
b) Students, ages 18-20, and still living at home
$550
SINGLE PARENT FAMILY *
Single parent who is divorced, legally separated, widow or widower; and all
Children ages 20 and younger
$300
ADULT COUPLE
$515
KOLLEL COUPLE *
ages 20 -25 and one spouse is a full time student
$360
INDIVIDUAL ADULT
over age 18
$440
ADULT STUDENT
age 17 through 25 and a full-time student*
$275
CHILDREN
age 4 through 13 (grade P1A – 8)
$185
HIGH SCHOOL YOUTH
grades 9 through 12
$225
SENIOR ADULT*
Individual over age 65
$250
SENIOR ADULT COUPLE*
Couple both over age 65
$365
* verification required at time of registration
NEW MEMBERSHIP REGISTRATION FEE
A registration fee of $50 will apply to all new members at the time of enrollment.
I think the one in Crown Heights had men only hours (There was a pool in Crown heights too)
I still stand by my statement that the community should spend a few million, shouldnt cost more than that and make their own pool like they did in Borough Park. There is no reason not to, there are plenty of Giverim who could afford it
I saw the hours cutback on The New York Times.
There was I think seperate mens hours, but those were cut
The lowered the number of womens only hours from 6 hours to 4 hours
Rabbi Pruzansky is MO not Charedi. Many of the posters here do not follow him, they either follow Chassidic Rebbes if they are Chassidic or they follow the Yeshivish Rebbes from either Lakewood or people like Rav Kanivesky or Rav Shteinman
Its probably easier to get caught not putting money in the meter than cheating the IRS
Uvda D’chol is a legitimate thing, what I am discussing is what are the limits. Its one thing to say riding a Biclycle or an umbrella is Uvda D’chol its quote another to say you cant speak english or talk about the baseball game (Baseball game is a metaphor for any non “Shabbosdick” topic)
I know people who will not speak english on Shabbos because its Uvda D’chol. They will only speak in Hebrew on Shabbos
Not to harp on the bicylcles, but when you start implicitly banning stuff on shabbos, it is a slipperly slope. You can ban something that is permitted and someone finds out that you are calling a chumra a Halacha, they wont belive you on anything you might say.
I have heard many things called “Ovda D’chol” that are really pushing the boundaries. According to some reading Shakespeare is Uvda D’chol or talking about the Baseball game .
Most high school students do not take Latin, Greek or Hebrew, however they do take a foreign langugage usually Spanish or french which are romance languages derived from latin.
‘Fun” stuff has many uses in life, Sports teaches teamwork and working with others. Learning an instrument has other uses.
Unfortunatly many frum school barely teach English and their students are barely literate in English and cant even fill out an application for a job or medical forms
Not sure where you live, but Brooklyn is not YOUR community, Jews arent even the majority in brooklyn anymore
Ask your LOR
Sam, how could one “quietly” allow an activity which is done outside?
I heard of a case where someones parent was in the hospital (Or something similar I forogot exactly what it was) quite sick and the hospital would not allow the person to stay overnight and there was no hotel nearby nor any jewish communty nearby so the person asked if they could ride a bicycle to the health care facility and they were allowed
While others had answered, I had known about some Sephardim allowing it (I didnt know which ones) and I knew that it might be permitted in an Eruv.
We might not Posken like the Ben Ish CHai, but if you are a Sephard you might so its not so simple
Ask your LOR
Have you ever considered maybe you are in the wrong community for yourself?
yiddish & german language is very similar & yiddish speaking started from the days in germany. you can probably make your way around germany if you know yiddish well
Somewhat
that is sort of how the Nazi’s YMSH were able to order the jews in the camps. Most of the jews spoke Yiddish (many also spoke German)
German grammar is very difficult so its not so easy for a yiddish speaker to master German
English IS from French. Asbout 30-40% of English words come from French. Even though its a Germanic language. its easier for an english speaker to learn a Romance language than it is to learn German
That is why many times you can figure out Spanish words even though they are in Spanish. Look at unrelated languages, you cannot figure out the words.
French is not a “Pure Language” it evolved from latin as did all the Romance languages
German evolved from old German , as did old english, however with the influx of French words its very different
Charedi is not considered Pre-jourative. Ultra Orthodox is
The Kollel in todays meaning, is a Post world war invention. The modern kollel only became possible with the advent of the welfare state
But I’m curious if any of those who believe “Hareidism” is indeed a “modern phenomenon” can name any of the founders of this new movement, and how their beliefs differed from those of their teachers.
Charedism today is basically 2 parts Chassidism and Litvish/Yeshivish/Misnagdish
Chassidism comes from the Baal Shem Tov and his followers
And LItvish/Yeshivsish//Misnagdish comes from the Vilna Gaon/The CHasam Sofer and their followers which was formed in response to Chassidim whom they considered to be wrong
I’ve never seen R Moshe or R Yaakov or R Elyashiv or R Shteinman trolling on the internet either, Nor any of the many Rebbes.
You can decide who you feel it is appropriate to emulate.
P.S. Given the strong economic and social incentives to be “off the derekh”, one might want to study why anyone would willingly give up most of their economic prospects and agree to live in a marginalized ghetto just because Ha-Shem told them to 3000+ years ago.
That has been the case for some time now. Many jews converted to christianity because of economic benefit and many jews left the Shtells to the Big cities or America for the same reason
There are pictures of the following people wearing jeans
Ronald Reagan
Bill Clinton
George Bush
Barak Obama
Prince Charles
Prince William
If you would read the article Rabbi fischer mentioned why men go OTD but never once mentioned women why go OTD .
If you want to try to stop people from going OTD, dont dismiss legitimate surveys. Burying your head in the sand wont make it go away.
The easiest way to dismiss a surveys results is to dismiss the survey .
I know such people, they are simply afraid to fly
According to some Jewish music is only things like Chassidic Niggunim and not even Klezmer music (Think Hava Negilla) which really is jewish music, but has become associated with secular Judaism
Actually I didnt know that Kenny G was jewish, but I dont think thats what the OP meant.
Kenny G is still popular