Due to technical problems with the Nassau Coliseum, the ‘Main event’ for today has been postponed until next chol hamoed, to take place elsewhere. For refunds call 718 490 5361. **YESHIVAWORLD HAS NO FURTHER INFORMATION**
One less taruvos gathering this chol hamoed. Kein Yirbu.
anybody with info? i called the # got a standard voice mail recording – however the ‘mailbox was full’ – anybody??
something smells fishy here??
i find it quite ironic , the gedolim rule agains concerts and all of the suddden there are “technical diffuclties”. …………tzadik gozer hakodosh boruch hu mikayiam.
It doesn’t sound like these tech. problems have any thing to do with sound systems or the like.
Perhaps the Kol Koreh from Eretz Yisroel was made applicable in Chutz L’Aretz.
Maybe the “technical difficulties” happened during Kohles this past Shabbos. Maybe someone had second thoughts about this concert when they heard the passuk: “Tov LiShmoah Ga’aras Chochom MeIsh Shomeh Shir Kesilim”!
Better go to some of the wonderful shiurim offered by Irgun Shiurei HaTorah then going to any of these “Shir Kesilim”.
When your 10 and 12 ( and 3 and 20) year olds who do not watch tv or go to movies or sporting events are looking forward to hearing some nice Jewish music in a venue that allows them to feel like have “gone somewhere” and “done something” special on Yom Tov, do not get that chance it is very disappointing.
#9, whats wrong with a simchas beis hashoevah? There is plenty of music and its a lot more spiritual than watching a bunch of kids who think they are g-ds gift to humanity dancing around like fools and trying desperately to get attention from the throngs of girls who idolizes them .
theres nowhere you can go today that is not taruvos! this is way better then going to a non jewish venue with immodestly dressed people. Keep your eyes where they belong and you wont have a problem!
So tell us please Town Crier, what was the climax culmination of your 10 year old childs yom tov celebration??
Miami has had 15,000 people show up to almost every chal hamoed show they had the past 5 years. Plus this was not only a MBC event – It was a whole show. gemorakop must be nuts in his head if he thinks that there is something wrong with having these chal hamoed events. If your zoiche that your kids go to Irgun Shiurei HaTorah speeches during chal hamoed for 12 hours a day, then ashrai chelkuche – but what about the other 99% of us?
I was told only 900 tickets were sold, thus they cancelled the event. I agree with #9, though I and my family ARE NOT concert goers. We DO NEED some KOSHER fun. Yes, the Yom Tov atmosphere is spiritually fulfilling, the seudos, the Dvar Torahs etc. But we are HUMAN and do need outlets. We can argue this till we are blue in the face, the present crisis we face with good children “going off” the derech needs honest evaluation- to see where our chinuch is failing………..and having been at one of the smaller amusement parks this Chol Hamoed, with all the mingling and banging into each other, I see NO difference between Astroland, Nellie Bly or a concert.
#9, VERY WELL SAID!!!
I was responding to Gemorakop specifically with the fact that kids are entitled to have fun and telling them to go to a shiur when they were expecting a concert is stupid.
Kids need and deserve to have fun.
Who ever said that kids are not entitled to fun? (I was using the passuk in Koheles to refer to concerts in general. I did not mean to suggest that kids should spend all day at a shiur. Most concert goers are not kids.)
The problem is that our idea of fun is to “Kasher” goyishe forms of entertainment (i.e. concerts). The entire concept of sitting in a seat and being “entertained” is not a jewish one.
What is wrong with going to the zoo or a museum? Just because it is not “Jewish” doesn’t make it less Kosher. On the contrary, if you ask anybody with Daas Torah they will tell you it is much better to go to the zoo than a concert.
I’ll prove it to you. Go to a concert and tell me how many Rabbeim and Magidei Shiur you’ll see there (I’ll give you a hint it is Zero). Then go to the Bronx Zoo and tell many how many you see there (many).
This is all without even addressing the mixed seating (oh, I’m sorry, “Family seating”) at these concerts.
They are a disgrace to Yiddishkeit. I feel bad for all the commenters who feel that we are missing out on a wonderful kosher” form of entertainment.
Re- Rabbi Eli Teitelbaum’s recently printed opinion-
I strongly agree with #9!
There are many that aren’t especially fond of zoos and parks.
gemorakop – They go to the zoo because its around 1$ a child admission and Rabbeim and Magidei Shiur tend to make less money then the rest of the kelal. There is way more pritzious at the bronx zoo during the winter (let alone a hot day like this chal hamoed) then a MBC choir. There is also more Rabbeim at the prospect zoo then at the Bronx zoo (cause its basically free), but that does not make the prospect zoo more kosher. Im not sure how you can disagree
to those that are knocking any concert your no better being that the same rabbonim said you shouldn’t be on the internet (especially on chol hamoed ripping others), aside from that the cancelation had something to do with Nassau Coliseum not mbc but in any event continue your
yom tov experience on the kodoish internet
I am really scared to see what this world will be like in 10 years, Moshiach better come real fast!!!
anyone ever wonder if the choir kids themselves would be better off not singing in a choir and devoting themselves to learning and growing in their studies?
What’s the real story?
I agree that you should give children fun and entertainment however we need to be very careful it should be in accordance with the torah. It’s a disgrace and shameful that after all the gedolei hador R’ Eliashiv, R’ Wosner, R’ Steinman, etc. came out with a iser to go and make concerts miami go’s ahead and ignores it. and re: the opinion of R’ Titelbaum I was in true shock, while it’s certainly a point of view to consider however if all gedolim came out against it I think it’s chutzpah to publish that article in a publication.
I guess all of you would rather spend your time on chol ha-moed online, rather than on line with your children at a “spectacular” event.
Hmmm- Uncle Moishy concerts are still being held, as are the YBC, Pruz, Wulliger, etc concerts. Obviously these other concerts have no “technical difficulties”.
I myself have never taken my family to a chol hamoed concert. WE much prefer to spend quality time together doing fun stuff like go karts, and mini golf, and the places we go to are frequented by all sorts of Chashuve people. Maybe we should all just go to the airport and ride the inter-terminal train or monorail.
Before everyone’s blood pressure goes up let’s wait and see if the show is really postponed, maybe there really were technical difficulties??!!
Rabboisay, please! It should be quite clear that the people doing the personal bashing here are jealous of the people performing in these concerts! Let’s say that it isn’t the ideal thing to be doing on a Chol Hamoed…..put it into perspective! This is a problem? Look around us. Look at the REAL problems in Klal Yisroel!! How bad could a concert be bothering u? And why would it bother u so much?? Give it a rest.
A FEW POINTS
THIS WAS TO BE THE MOST COMPLEX SHOW EVEN FOR YERACHMIEL.
1- FROM MY SOURCES IT SEEMS (NOT FACT) THAT NASSAU IS UNDER NEW TOUGH MANAGMNT
2- AND THERE WERE SOME “UNWRITTEN UNDERSTANDINGS” AS AN EVENT OF THIS SIZE HAS NUMEROUS DETAILS ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO SPELL OUT ALL NEEDS & ACCOMODATIONS
3- THERE WAS AN INSURANCE PROBLEM WITH THE DOG SHOW & POSSIBLY 2 OTHER POINTS THAT CANT BE POSTED
4-NASSAU WANTED AN ADDTL. $75000 FOR THE RIDES/ UNION DUES
5-THE POST WHO WROTE ABOUT THE NUMBER OF TICKETS SOLD IT WAS LESS THAN EXPECTED BUT 900 TICKETS IS A NASTY DIG
6- WILL YERACHMIEL SUE NASSAU? MY GUESS “PROBALY”
A NOTE ABOUT ALL THE COMMENTS
A.FOR SOME FAMILIES THESE CONCERTS ARE CLEARLY A STEP DOWN YES UNFORTUNATLY YOU SEE PLENTY OF CHASSIDISHE TOO..
B.HOWEVER FOR THE “GREATER TRISTATE AREA” THESE CONCERTS ARE UPLIFTING AND A SIMCHAS YOM TOV SO IF YOUR OTHER CHOICE IS A YANKEE GAME CHOOS THE CONCERT
C.MY 11TH GRADE REBBI ONCE TOOK US ON A TRIP TO THE AQUARIUM BUT ON THE WAY WE STOPPED AT LAKEWOOD MINYAN FOR 5 MINUTES TO SEE THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO GO THERE ON CHOL HAMOED.
D.AS FAR AS PRITZUS ON THESE TRIPS NOTHING IS PERFECT. THE GENERAL RULE OF THUMB IS “IF THE GOY IS THE CENTER OF ATTRACTION – DONT GO EVEN IF ITS “RENTED OUT”
HOWEVER IF THE KIDS ARE BUSY AND OCCUPIED WITH THE ACTIVITY ,ZOO,CLIMBING ,ARCADES,RIDES THAN THE PRITZUS IS LESS OF AN ISSUE
E.WETHER MBC SHOULD EXIST IS A SEPERATE SHMUESS
There are a few things I am having difficulties with.
1)If children can only go to diffrent shiurim then why do the yeshivas give off?
2)I went to the Bronx Zoo yesterday and there where alot of Pritzus should the Rabonim Assur the going to a zoo on a nice day?
3)There might be more issurim for posting on line during Chal Homoed then going to concerts….
Someone please help me understand
Miami Boys had a great concert Sat night at Brooklyn college, family seating and seperate and enjoyed in a torahdik fashion by all.
you no forsure that it is mixed seating maybe it is seperate seating
Most of the message from Yerachmiel to the boys in the choir last night. “Nassau Coliseum has cancelled the show tomorrow because of technical problems with the ice and its covering that they had failed to anticipate, that lead to the inability for them to put on the program, and cause insurance liability… This is a first for me in 30 years, and quite upsetting… Im yirtzah hashem we will do the event and many more in the future.”
TO STAM A DEYA
what makes you think that the mbc boys are not learning when they are not singing?
Uncle Moishy and Miami boys choir is called nonkosher entertainment? I think some of you are so fanatic. That is not what yidishkeit is about. Be positive and besimcha, not negative and embittered. See things through the right eye, not the left. Anytime a gathering of Yidden accurs adds Chayos and is spiritual.
I called Nassau Collesium and the person that answered the phone stated that the reason the show was canceled was due to the fact they were not prepared for a concert and did not know that there were certain requirements for the show and the whole situation was one big misunderstanding!
My kids are just as perplexed. We do not know what the real truth is but the Nassau employee i spoke to sounded like an idiot.
I was told that there were 6,378 tickets sold so this does not seem like the amount of tickets sold was the issue. MBC would never cancel unless there was a good reason. Our hearts go out to the promoters, musicians, singers and anyone that was effected by this mess. I know this ruined my families plan but gam zu letova and to dan lkaf zechus —there is no way this was done on purpose. No promoter of jewish music wakes up in the morning saying to themself how can they mess up your day.
It’s in the best interest of Miami Boys Choir to have a good show and make our kids happy and not cancel a show for no good reason.
I am sure there will be more information at a later time.
Botom line–Does anyone know the truth?
Post number 31 shmiel glasman or whomever this nutjob is….
How do you post this stuff witout knowing?
There was no press release by Mr. Begun stating what you mentioned. This is how rumors start. Writing “I heard” means nothing.
just to let you know
directly from a talmid of Rav Elyashiv
the gedolim banned the concerts ONLY in Yerushalayim because of the kedusha of Yerushalayim and the higher sensitivity needed.
this reminds me of the time when the rabbanim came out with the fact that the specific BAs for Bais Yaakov were not good because they weren’t monitored by anyone, so then everyone started howling that the gedolim said anyone who has a BA isn’t allowed to teach in Beis Yaakov.
Get your facts straight, people, life is hard enough.
Maybe they can do an online performance hosted by YW, then everyone can have family seating and there won’t be a tznius or yichud issue.
DEAR MUSIC OUTLET 38/39
1.RUMORS WILL ALWAYS START ANYTIME PEOPLE TRY TO MAKE SENSE OF AN ODD SITUATION!!
2.THE INFO YOU GOT FROM NASSAU (I DID NOT CALL)SEEMS TO VALIDATE SOME OF THE POINTS I MENTIONED
3.NONE OF THE POSTS OR COMMENTS SAID ANYTHING DISPARAGING ABOUT YERACHMIEL OR THE OTHER ENTERTAINERS. OBVIOUSLY THEY TRIED VERY HARD TO COMPROMISE AND NEGOTIATE A DEAL
4.THEY ARE IN THE MIDST OF PUTTING TOGETHER A FULL PAGE AD FOR NEXT WEEKS YATED WITH AN EXPLANATION & REFUND INFO. $$ OR A TICKET TO THE RESCHEDULED SHOW /THE WORDING IN THE AD MUST VERY SENSITIVE (VEHAMAVIN YAVIN)
To the Gadol Hador, The Town Crier,
Birshus Harav, you still have not answered the question about your own children who are im sure Tzadikim in their own right… Im sure they are proud of their father who took disabled children to the zoo as an “older teen”, and now as an adult, surfs the internet looking for things to bash for no reason. And talk about missing the boat. I ask a question about your yom tov experience and you respond by saying “I surely hope his life and his judaism won’t be so empty that succos shouldn’t be complete with the cancellation of an entertainment spectacle”. What?? Did I say anything about my Succos not being complete?? I wasnt even going to the concert!! But I dont feel the need to bash the people who were…. Get Real.
I don’t know about a MBC concert, but I know for a fact that at a Yeshiva Boys choir concert it’s clean toradik fun. The boys are not allowed to hang around with groupies-after the concert they go directly to their parents. No individual pictures are allow to be taken of the boys. They are taught that “You should be taking pictures of Gedolim & Rabbeim, not us.” They are forbidden from signing any autographs whatsoever. No secular music is played either during the overture or during the concert itself. Before some of the songs, Yossi Newman, the choir director, gives over a bit of D’var Torah. And before the concert starts, the boys do learn, so that there won’t be “Bittul Zman.” I used to go to goyish concerts, & believe me, it is nothing whatsoever like our concerts, be it YBC or MBC. & #9 – I read R’ Eli Teitelbaum’s article & he’s right on the money. In my day, there weren’t any kosher entertainment like this. We went to broadway shows (& I was a BY girl & all my friends went)& movies. I think this is alot more torahdik & Tznius than what I used to. Kids today do need an outlet, & if we take away the concerts from them, then they will turn to the broadway shows & movies & other stuff that isn’t toradik. I feel very much for Mr. Begun & the boys; they all work very very hard & look forward to bringing Klal Yisroel some Simchas Yom Tov (BTW, it is a tremendous mitzva to bring Simcha to someone, anyone & that is what the choir boys are taught right when they start)
I went to the Miami concert on Motzai Shabbos and sometimes when the soloists would lift their arms, their wrists were exposed. You see? You’re all right! There definitely is more preetzus at these concerts than at the zoo or other trips. Thank you mashgichim for enlightening us with your irrational brash insight. Thank you for annointing yourselves as the mussar leaders of our generation. I enjoy hearing lectures from unrealistic ppl. I’m so impressed with how fach-nucked you are. You won the game, you are more frum than anyone! Congratulations! Sick, sick ppl. I’m literally nauseous from reading some of these posts, no exaggeration.
I think for now on yeshivas should only get off from Tu B-Av until Rosh Chodesh Elul. During those two weeks, children from the age of 5 should have a mandatory T’hillim gathering. In the afternoons there should be a mandatory mishnayos baal pe contest. At nights, for their “kosher entertainment” they should look at gedolim pictures. I’m sure many of the people who post unrealistic things would agree with this idea.
stam a deya, first of all who says they don’t learn? Second, I personally know 3 bochurim throughout the years who were absolute mitzunaym that were on the choir. One of them actually asked R’ Elyashic Shlit”a if his younger brother should sing like him, and Maran stated that it depended on the boy, but if he was anything like him then no problem. BTW one of these guys made a siyum on Seder Nizikkin (no Artscroll) when he was 17. Unfortunately most kids and adults don’t just learn the entire day. Nothing wrong with a little kasher entertainment.
maybe Town Criers parents didnt take him to these events when he was a kid so he’s resentful. I wonder if he hasn’t answered what he did with his 10 year old because he doesnt have kids. Another smart know it all bochur. Let’s see what he says when he does have kids. It’s a different game.
Good point mentsch,
It’s very hard these days to keep kids occupied. I don’t love these concerts but:
Happy kids = Happy wife = Happy me. A gutten moed!
Someone said recently i Reb Moshe and Reb Yaakov were alive they’d be considered conservative. Reb Yaakov used to play chess in camp during the summers. These days everything is assur. When will people realize children (yes teenagers are still children) need some time to chill? Is it better that they go off on their own and find R”L drugs and other entertainment which is for worse than going to a concert set in a Torahdik forum?
The internet also did not exist when we were kids and somehow we all got by, as did our parents generation. Times change.
There comes a point when one realizes certain people are not really worth arguing with. Enjoy your soup. A gutten Moed.
tell it straight- u are absolutely right!
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