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“I don’t want to share which one me and my three wives are due paying community members of, since GodolHaDofi will then start picketing outside every Shabbat that we are there.”

Sad that he hasn’t even looked up to the ezras nashim and realized that Nos. 1 and 3 quietly walk across the street after the start of davening to the Ashkenazi Shtiebel

A woman is one who sits in the ezras nashim in shul and loves to shop.

In the 5+ years since you first raised the complex shaylah of “why do animal lovers eat their food”, there have been great strides in research explaining the phenomena. However, the mystery of “what happened with the BP Ezras Nashim on Monday Night” is still under investigation.

1. Shavuous night, there were individuals learning in shul. My chabura learned in a house.
2. minyanim for mincha maariv in shul, 2 minyanim for shachris in shul
3. Yizkor for men only as we used the ezras nashim for social distancing.
flatbush

our shul and just about all shuls in Monsey have or will reopened into smaller minyanim, for example downstairs, ezras nashim etc, I hear the most of Brooklyn will reopen and almost all of the 5 towns will remain closed

RebbeDebbie: No, but obviously coming early enough to enter the ezras nashim and place a siddur or chumash at a seat. BTW, i have heard that Rav Pam used to prepare a siddur and chumash for his wife at her seat before davening.

For the past year or two, there is a constant series of video ads here on YWN with the header “Stop the Talking in Shul”. No question that the pervasive chattering is a big problem and getting worse. Its also been noted here sarcastically that the Conservative shuls seem to do a better job of maintaining a quiet and respectful atmosphere then the frum shuls. Thus, there is clearly a need for shushers, although having the gabbai klop on his shtender may sometimes have more effect than some Balabusta doing a loud shush from the ezrash nashim.

pushatayid: And what baal simcha would knowingly schedule a simcha in a shtieblach with 40 seats that are full every shabbos if he know in advance that he has invited at least 25 additional guests who will be coming and there is no where to put them (other than in the kitchen, or the ezras nashim (and telling the latter to stand outside)

<p>”Recent”? My friend, you may want to check your history books. The first brawl in this institution regarding this particular machlokes dates back to the 00’s. This is only the most recent spat of violence, previously the cease-fire was honored with one side sequestered in the ezras nashim and the other side agreeing never to step foot in their. It essentially split the Yeshiva into two Yeshivos occupying a single building.</p>
<p>At least this time no one broke into any of the rebbeim’s houses and beat them with a baseball bat.</p>

In Chabad, we like to take his songs and change the words a little bit to make fun of him…
“Esah Einai El HeHarim, MeAyin Yovo Ezri”
(i lift my eyes to the mountains, from whence will my help cometh?)

and we switch it to “Esah Einai El Ezras Nashim, MeAyin Yovo Esti”
(i lift my eyes to the Womens’ Section, From Where Will Esti Come?)

Ubiquitin;
One reason it’s bothering me is because I subscribed to this thread and didn’t realize until now that one can unsubscribe.
Another reason is because the thread was about Ezras Nashim and degenerated into an EMS vs. Hatzolah contest.
Thirdly, it’s one of these unprovable debates such as vaccines or climate change.
What do you mean unprovable? I can prove it to you right now ….!!!
See what I mean!?

Avram -“From what I understand, Ezras Nashim dispatches EMTs, but they don’t provide transport to the hospital, so I have a hard time ascertaining for what situations they intend to provide service. If it is simply to guarantee a frum female presence on the first responding medical team during an emergency, then they should instruct patients to call 911 or Hatzola first, to avoid any delay in transport.”

I’m Not a member of EN, no matter what the posters say. The purpose of EN is to provide a female presence in the case of childbirth. Most cases of childbirth are not life threatening, No matter how the posters demand that they are. So the creation of EN makes sense. If emergency transportation is needed – EN will call EMS. That’s because Hatzola refused to work with them!

klugeryid,

So let’s just sum up this thread

Seems like a turf war between Hatzola and Ezras Nashim.

In my family, when we have called for EMS/ambulance service, we knew that going to the hospital ER was likely needed, and that time could be crucial, making driving ourselves potentially dangerous. When we’ve not been sure whether an ER or urgent care visit is needed or not and time is not yet of the essence, we first try to call our doctor to get advice. They have an after-hours answering service that pages a doctor on call – they state to hang up and call 911 if it’s a medical emergency. From what I understand, Ezras Nashim dispatches EMTs, but they don’t provide transport to the hospital, so I have a hard time ascertaining for what situations they intend to provide service. If it is simply to guarantee a frum female presence on the first responding medical team during an emergency, then they should instruct patients to call 911 or Hatzola first, to avoid any delay in transport. If the purpose is more geared towards determining whether something can be managed at home or not, maybe that should be clarified, and instructions to call 911 or Hatzola in the event of a medical emergency should be stated?

I can’t believe this is still going on.

It’s really a simple solution.

There are those who like Ezras Nashim and those who don’t like them. Similarly there are those who like Hatzolah and those who don’t like them. That has been the fact since Day 1 and will never change.

Those who are a part of, or are supporters of, these organizations will remain so regardless of what people post on the internet. And similarly those who hate those organizations will continue to do so regardless of what people post on the internet.

So… why even bother with this stupidity?

Health, we all know your deal. You need to start recognizing that Hatzolah has been around for 50 years and isn’t going to up and disappear because you don’t like them. You’ve been shouting into the wind for years. It must be pretty exhausting by now. You don’t like Hatzolah, we know. Don’t call, don’t donate, don’t sing their praises. But does it ever end with you? Move on. You’ll be a lot “health”ier.

I received this message from a trusted source, but I can’t vouch for the authenticy of it.

A documentary film 93QUEEN is being released covering the story  of Ezras Nashim.

The filming began more than 5 years ago when a frum female filmmaker pursued me to allow her to create a  positive film depicting Chassidic women with a mission of modesty, who struggle for change. I consulted with Rabbonim and lawyers, confirming our intent to create a Kiddush Hashem in the media. 

While I was assured I would have the opportunity to review and edit the film, due to a misunderstanding, the trailer and final version of the film was not in my control.

Yet, it is my fervent hope and prayer that 93QUEEN will be Mekadesh Sheym Shomayim….Rabbos Machshovos B’Lev Eesh….While people plan…. only HaShem’s will prevails.  

Ruchie Freier

“”
“In the Hasidic community there’s a huge divide between the genders,” explains Rachel “Ruchie” Freier in our exclusive trailer for “the movie.” “I’m being told that it’s not right for Jewish girls to become EMTs.” But the lawyer doesn’t listen to those who try to convince her that “when it comes to speed and strength, men are superior.” She and other women in her Brooklyn neighborhood are ready to dismantle the “boys’ club.”
Directed by Paula Eiselt, the upcoming documentary sees

the underdogs defying expectations and odds to create Ezras Nashim, the first all-female volunteer ambulance corps in New York City.
This is a review of the film by a movie company r”l
I took out the name of the movie in order not to be nichshal other yidden.

kj – “Now Ezras Nashim is coming out with a movie to complain about hatzolah and chassidic community in general”

Where can I watch this video? I came here to defend EN. Now I’d like to see this video myself; unless I should just believe your & Joes’ posts?!? LOL!!!

Now Ezras Nashim is coming out with a movie to complain about hatzolah and chassidic community in general, r”l. It’s time to put a stop to this, if these women want to break all boundaries of tznius, they shouldn’t be allowed to be a part of the Jewish community especially not the chassidish ones

Endorsements

Mods, it’s up to you whether or not you want to let it through. I don’t know of any other way to give a source to refute him speaking on behalf of the Gedolei Hador.

“There’s still the issue of the tznius woman being an eyesore”

That’s not a halachic reason, and since you didn’t provide any source I’ll assume it’s because you can’t because there are none. Unlike the more left-wing posters, I would be willing to hear you out were you to provide any real evidence. Also, unlike them, I am not belittling this minhag or claiming you’re making it up. However, claiming that lo tisgodedu applies here seems to be made up by you.

On a side note, Ezras Nashim for sure operates in Williamsberg. I thought they even originated there. Their Satmar volunteers do not drive.

The percentages really don’t matter. As in the example I gave earlier, a Sphard could be in a Litvish shul of 1,000 and be the only bocher in a tallis and it’s not lo tisgodedu.

Assuring women driving is a real shittah and shouldn’t be taken lightly, but the reality is that these neighborhoods are also aware of those who mattir. You’d really have to ask a posek if it would be lo tisgogdedu. Given that HaRav Kanievsky and HaRav Shteinman both were OK with Ezras Nashim, I doubt we posken as Joseph is saying (since they obviously knew the ambulances would be driving through Williamsberg).

Joseph, if you could provide an opinion that driving through these neighborhoods as a female is assur, then I’ll accept it. The simple argument that rov yidden in those neighborhoods hold a certain way does not suffice.

If you don’t wear a hat you have to daven in the ezras nashim.

“all the action in mens section – women just spectators from ezras nashim”

Yes the men are able to draw down hamshachos that women d as well, and that’s why they’re the main players in the shul. Afaik, this is to atone for the meraglim who gathered as a congregation for bad. So now they need to gather as a congregation for good to bring down higher levels of Elokus to the world to make up for the lack they created. Similar to woman being granted the mitzvah of challa to make up for Chavas sin.

We weren’t part of the meraglim fiasco so we don’t need Minyan. But we also don’t draw down the same hamshachos men do consequently.

Anyhow yes I wouldn’t invite a not yet frum woman to meet me in shUl because we’re not the main players there. Id invite her to a Shabbos or yt meal in my home, where I’m the main player. Ishto zu baiso.

“I’m trying to think about this from a girls perspective. Sh’asanee Kirtzono, mommy doesn’t make kidush, lulav and esrog, all the action in mens section – women just spectators from ezras nashim….I’m sure they feel like second class citizens and all the logic in the world is not going to change that…my simple answer is that men and women have different roles and we’re all supposed to fulfill our tafkid (ask not what your country can do for you but rather…) It’s a huge arduous task in today’s day and age and need to battle herd mentality mores and a value system antithetical to our mission statement. Gotta have emunah that hashem will bring things around to true reality and each will be happy with their place and role”

Well I’m a woman so here. When I was a girl, I didn’t light because that wasnt our minhag.Yes tatte makes kiddush etc. And women have a special yt on rosh chodesh that men don’t have, women don’t work after menorah lighting for half hour while tatte can, most importantly, women make the child Jewish,and have the most influence on the attitude of the kids towards Yiddishkeit.

I don’t understand why people cry for women. We have a very important role, and the men do too!just to explain as some people seem to feel bad for us… If a man saved three kids from going off the Derech by his efforts, he would praise Hashem for giving him the zchus…. Women with their Avodas Hashem, create and imbue a love for Yiddishkeit within their kids so they add ten or so more ovdei Hashem to the Jewish nation! That’s a great task and responsibility and I’m very happy to fulfill it.

Unfortunately our world is a bit confused… I meet Non Jewish women all the time who so regret not having children and just focusing on their career as they were encouraged to do, they missed out and only realized when it was too late.

As Golda Meir once said she regretted being prime minister, because there are lots of men capable for the post, but no one was able to fill in as a mother to her children when they needed her…

I’m trying to think about this from a girls perspective. Sh’asanee Kirtzono, mommy doesn’t make kidush, lulav and esrog, all the action in mens section – women just spectators from ezras nashim….I’m sure they feel like second class citizens and all the logic in the world is not going to change that…my simple answer is that men and women have different roles and we’re all supposed to fulfill our tafkid (ask not what your country can do for you but rather…) It’s a huge arduous task in today’s day and age and need to battle herd mentality mores and a value system antithetical to our mission statement. Gotta have emunah that hashem will bring things around to true reality and each will be happy with their place and role

To Joe:
Sure….the gabbi sheini stands by the entrance to the ezras nashim with a list provided by the mikvah lady and checks off each woman before allowing her to partiicpate

“Health” has expressed a distaste for Hatzolah as far back as I can remember. Chances are I probably interacted with him on my old forum as well but that was a lifetime ago.

Honestly, my own feelings aside, I don’t think that the best place to discuss these issues is an anonymous forum. There are far too many complexities in these cases that really don’t mix so well with the nature of a forum such as this one. There are privacy laws to protect the patient. There should be a healthy (no pun intended, buddy) amount of respect for first responders of any organization. And there should also be an understanding that if you personally were not at the scene there might be details that you don’t know.

Monday morning quarterbacking doesn’t really do anyone any good. I believe that if someone was on the scene, or has direct firsthand knowledge that actions performed by members of an organization were inappropriate, there are ways to get your message to that organization.

It’s been a long time since I’ve commented about an issue like this, but I still firmly believe that those who dedicate their time to helping others deserve the benefit of the doubt, whether it’s Hatzolah, Ezras Nashim or anyone else. If the goal is to help them improve, or to prevent a problem from happening again… there are better ways to do it.

Health; help me out here.
I am new to this board
Here is what I was able to make out

You feel that there is an intrinsic value in ”choice” no matter how poor that choice may be

Having put all that to record here are my two questions
1- what is the issue with hatzolah? No names just issues
2- don’t we have plenty of choice without ezras nashim?
You could call
Nyc ems
Cablevision
311
Citicards
Chase credit cards
Shoprite
Goldberg’s supermarket
1800weather
And the list goes on
These may be very poor choices but from your posts it is clear You are only looking to make sure there is choice

edited – by ‘new’did you mean screen name? 

“Those defending this event obviously have no idea what true judaism is .They think that yiddishkite is purely capitalist. But its not . We have a limit of what we are allowed to do in all areas of life.”

Cmon man. I agree with some of the points you made, i just dont believe you want a respectful discussion “during a week that we should be remembering the single worst time in the history of judaism.” I believe this is just incitement, like your other post https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/another-ezras-nashim-horror-story/#post-1291924

You use achdus as your username but it sounds like its supposed to be taken ironically.

2scents -“If you yourself mind on offering this information, then please do not ask others to do so, especially when I have never claimed to hold any training or that I even practice medicine.”

You have repeatedly either wrote that you’re on Hatzolah or support them.
So therefore you & them are open to public scrutiny! I’m not in the public eye.
When I ask a question about Hatzolah’s actions in a topic called ” ANOTHER Ezras Nashim Horror Story?”, the public has a right to be heard!
I asked – “Let him/her post transport time, when was the ambulance on the scene, when was it called for. And relate these times with regards to paramedic being called & their care.
And vitals that were taken on scene.”
Why doesn’t the public have the right to know that information?
It seems that Hatzolah is trying to hide something!

If they are first responders then they must know basic first aid and CPR. If a person is in cardiac arrest every Second counts!! These woman on Ezras Nashim should be trained nurses or EMT’s so that if they get a call no one has to wait that long. If G-d forbid a woman is in real danger with her health the fastest most reliable EMT (which I believe Hatzala is best) should be called it should not matter man or woman when someone needs life saving treatment like CPR. As a first responder service there is no excuse that they are not trained in CPR, every teenage lifegaurd is trained to be a first responder and knows basic first aid and CPR.

2scents,

with transport depending on them calling 911 as a 3rd party caller

This is inconsistent with your statement above about the Ezras Nashim stickered ambulance in front of your house attracting attention. Does Ezras Nashim provide medical transport, or do they not?

2scents,

They do not offer Advanced Life Support, so how can they offer NR?

ALS and neonatal resuscitation (e.g., certification from the NRP) are not the same thing. Ezras Nashim volunteers (according to their Website) are certified by NRP for neonatal resuscitation and also as EMTs, which, assuming entry level, they would be capable of providing BLS, whereas paramedics could provide ALS.

Are all Hatzola volunteers paramedics (that is, they have substantially more training than entry level EMTs)? If not, how do they handle emergencies where ALS might be required?

2scents,

With regards to out of hospital births, there is the risk of complications to mother and baby that would require rapid lifesaving interventions. Its a statistical fact that some newborns will require aggressive resuscitation and some mothers will have life threatening complications.

Ezras Nashim volunteers are reportedly trained to deal with those types of emergencies (e.g., they are certified in neonatal resuscitation). Is it your argument that they are not? Or is it something else?

Kotlorism,

Your story makes no sense. And I’m pinning it on you as your story because you decided to post it on the CR with admittedly no idea of the facts. At first, you write (bracketed statements and bold are mine):

They [the Ezras Nashim volunteers] kept on reassuring her that their ambulance is on its way and will be here momentarily.

And further down:

A Neighbor told me 911 [i.e., not an Ezras Nashim ambulance] pulled up a few minutes after Hatzolah left.

1. What ambulance did they call? Does Ezras Nashim provide medical transport, or do they rely on NYC EMS for transport? In this story, did they call for their own transport which didn’t come in a timely manner, or did they call 911 (as in the first story), who didn’t come in a timely manner?

2. What’s your beef with Ezras Nashim? Is it that they have a policy to call 911 after arriving at an emergency situation (hence delaying the arrival of EMS when they should have instructed the patient to call for emergency services themselves before they arrived), or is it that they call 911 and not Hatzola?

“Studies here in NYC have repeatedly shown that Hatzaloh responds faster than NYC EMS.”

Can you cite any such study?

(im not disputing your conclusion it is probably true, I just wasnt aware of any such study done, let alone “repeatedly” done)

What I do wonder is if patients brought in by hatzalah have a higher survival rate than those brought in by say FDNY. Again I doubt any such study was done. Though this time, I doubt there is a difference.
Ive spoken to several Hatzalah bigwigs, most said the primary benefit from hatzalah is one of comfort, ie many in our community feel more comfortable having unzereh take care of them.

(Of course htis is the exact same argument made by Ezras Nashim)

2scents,

What Tznius issues? there is very little for EMS personal to do in the prehospital setting for gynecological emergencies other than …

My understanding is that the “bread and butter” situations that Ezras Nashim intends to handle are unplanned out-of-hospital births. The majority of these situations are not actual medical emergencies, and, if the birth occurs at home or en route to the hospital/birth center, there would certainly be quite a bit for the attendant “to do”. For rarer situations such as placenta previa, where an emergency C-section is required to save the mother and baby, you would be correct.

One would think that having a service that mainly responds to women related emergencies, with hard to miss stickering on their cars and vans parked in front of someones house, is a much greater Tznius issue.

This is a good point that I had not considered before. Any emergency vehicle pulling up in front of your house is going to cause a ruckus, however, and I’m guessing for those who use Ezras Nashim, the guarantee of being attended by a woman outweighs the embarrassment of the neighbors being able to discern more detail about what is going on.

From the EN website.

“The motivation behind Ezras Nashim was to respond to Emergency labor and OB/GYN emergencies; however, to serve the needs of the community, we are also responding to pediatric, adolescent and geriatric emergencies. We also provide follow-up phone calls and visits.”

If not for Hatzolah not allowing these women to join their organization, there would be no need for Ezras Nashim.

Iacisrmma: “gaw: The Ezras Nashim is not part of the Beis Knesses?”

This is a side point, but I actually always wondered if the Ezras Nashim has the exact same din as the Beis Knesses. I always wondered if there might be more leniencies regarding standing when the Aron Kodesh is open, or saying Tehillim during parts of davening when it might be a problem.

gaw: The Ezras Nashim is not part of the Beis Knesses?

iacisrmma – That is the correct P’sak according the the Mishneh Brurah (75:8), who holds that a woman’s “ervah” is not applicable to another woman except for one spot (not her chest). Therefore it is not B’chlall “Ervas Davar” (as long as it is in the Ezras Nashim) which would be Assur.

This is not “Open Orthodox”, this is quoting the P’sak of the Mishna Berurah.

Now if you had said “in front of a man”, then we would have what to discuss.

It is easy to tell someone not to daven somewhere. But it is also impractical. I cannot daven elsewhere, nor should I have to leave the shul in which I have davened for nearly 40 years, because some young punk with no derech eretz thinks it is his prerogative and entitlement to discuss the baseball scores, his business, loshon hara, or stupid jokes, within my hearing as I am attempting to daven with kavana. These inconsiderate louts talk in loud and raucous voices, directly outside the downstairs Ezras Nashim, in the vestibule right behind the area in which I sit.

I have gently made them aware that their voices carry inside, “I am sure that you are unaware, but we actually can hear your conversation inside the main Shul. Would you mind very much taking it into the main hall?” is what I usually say. What I want to say is, “You are a bunch of disrespectful laytzanim! Take your stupid and absolutely worthless conversation, and find another Shul where you can bother people who unlike you, actually came to daven. That is, if you can FIND another shul that will tolerate your boorish behavior!” But those of you who know me for many years on this forum, also know, it is not my style to talk to anyone like that. So I dont. Not even when their stupid, meaningless conversation interfered with me on Pesach as I was trying to say Yizkor properly, which clearly B”H none of THEM as yet have to do, and for which they should be thankful to Hashem.

I cannot daven elsewhere. My Rov is a wonderful person, and we are otherwise happy where we are. I cannot easily walk to another shul locally, and the one which is next door has a lot of stairs to get up to the women’s section. I need to daven where I am. And I also need to daven without feeling the anger that is aroused in me when these thoughtless fools carry on. OK, rant over, now. WHEW! I feel better…

Do you think giving a woman wearing a short sleeve shirt and short skirt the sefer Torah to walk around with in the Ezras Nashim is traditional Judaism? I heard of one such shul where a woman read Shir Hashirim on Pesach.

The main problem with that chevra – their entire Judaism is focused on going to shul on Shabbos, there is no question that women in shul are second class. However we believe that there is much more to Judaism than going to shul on Shabbos. Let the women try working together on spiritual growth, being more medakdek in mitzvos, trying to do the ratzon Hashem. This walking around with the sefer Torah is just feminism and has no place in Judaism just like I, a Yisroel, have no right to ask for the first aliyah in shul.

Another big difference will be the height of the mechitzah in shul. R. Moshe said that we can rely on a 10 tefachim mechitzah, but many chareidi rabbonim say it must be high enough so that you can’t see the ezras nashim.

Totally not. Many “Charaidi” shuls have balconies where the women can see the men (and vice versa, if the men look up). The Chassidim (a completely different issue) have a long standing Shittah (based on the Simchas Bais HaShoeivah) that there be no visual contact.

In the here and now, due to a “not Frum enough” complex, Frum non-Chassidim feel the need to be as Frum as the Chassidim (or feel inferior), they say you need the visual mechitza.

V’Harayah, the famous story at the the Agudah convention with the Chofetz Chaim, (who agreed to a visual mechitza due to the insistence of the Chassidim) which has been quoted here many times.